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Ethics & Morality

Which is worse in a presidential candidate – dirty words about sexual assault or conspiring to conceal rape?

Donald Trump is a vain, obnoxious, arrogant, lying, bombastic sleazebag. Or, as they say across the pond, “an asshole”. Everybody knows it, or seems to. So when a decade-old recording surfaces in which he boasts about his ability to treat women like boneless pieces of meat, it really comes as no surprise that he blusters: “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful – I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p***y. You can do anything.”

This is not a soap opera. Grabbing someone’s genitals (however breezily) without their consent is sexual assault. The Republican nominee for President not only boasts about his celebrity licence to do this: he appears to condone the behaviour. His fame and vast wealth give him power: women exist to be kissed and groped. He can do with them exactly as he wants; as his incontinent hormones dictate. This is a truly awful attitude in a presidential candidate: it is bragging about ravishment; rejoicing in the heroism of carnal abuse.

Hillary Clinton is an appealing, intelligent, discerning, honest, trustworthy politician. Or, as they say across the pond… O, hang on.

Sorry, news just in:

..Clinton began kissing her. She resisted Clinton’s advances, but he “pulled her back onto the bed and forcibly had sex with her.” During the alleged attack, he bit her lip. When he saw that it was bruised and swollen, she claims he said, “You better get some ice on that.” Then he “put on his sunglasses and walked out the door.”

It’s okay: this is Bill, not Hillary. It is grotesque to attempt to smear or blame the wife for the sins, vices and crimes of the husband. Except to observe that Bill Clinton appears to have something of a track record of sexual assault; of using his fame, wealth and power to kiss, grope or rape women. You may dismiss one allegation, or maybe even two. But five, seven or nine? And Hillary Clinton not only allegedly knows about these assaults, she is an enabler of her husband’s predatory sexual abuse.

“Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported,” she tweeted a year ago. Except when they’re victims of her husband? “BC (Bill Clinton) raped me,” tweeted Juanita Broaddrick. “Mr. Trump may have said some bad words, but Bill Clinton raped me and Hillary Clinton threatened me,” she said at an event. This isn’t some power-infatuation episode of Dallas or Dynasty: there were five witnesses to the aftershocks of the rape. Certainly, an allegation is not proof. And in politics, vast legions of grudges conspire to burst a reputation. But “every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed..” And Juanita Broaddrick is certain that Hillary Clinton is involved in the cover-up of sexual assault:

“(Hillary) came directly to me as soon as she hit the door. I had been there only a few minutes, I only wanted to make an appearance and leave. She caught me and took my hand and said ‘I am so happy to meet you. I want you to know that we appreciate everything you do for Bill.’ I started to turn away and she held onto my hand and reiterated her phrase — looking less friendly and repeated her statement — ‘Everything you do for Bill’. I said nothing. She wasn’t letting me get away until she made her point. She talked low, the smile faded on the second thank you. I just released her hand from mine and left the gathering.”

What if this were a bishop taking a teenage boy by the hand, staring into his eyes, and saying in a low voice, with a wink: “Thank you for everything you do for Father John”? What crime would this bishop be committing? What manipulative coercion or threat is evidenced? What abuse of power and authority? What offence against God and the Church? Is there anything which might render him, in your moral judgment, unfit for high office?

Donald Trump’s comments are not only lewd and inappropriate; they are disgusting, repugnant and degrading of all women. His vices and sins are made known; his judgment and humiliation made public. Hillary Clinton’s comments are… well, they weren’t taped and leaked; they are hidden and conjectured, so you decide. Church leaders are endorsing both; Christians are voting for both. Everyone wants to claim the Bible, but God is not mocked: ‘For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known‘ (Lk 12:2); ‘..and be sure your sin will find you out‘ (Num 32:23).

  • Dreadnaught

    World politics reduced to the intellectual level of the Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer Show.

    • Ivan M

      Isn’t that by design? The American system weeds out every politician who ever had a hard on. This is particularly true if the politician is a Republican and may then be expected to have a conscience. Look at all of Obama’s opponents up until his senatorial days. The Demoncrats specialize in this kind of sleaze expecting their opponents to fold because of Jesus. Well Trump is what one would be left with when all the halfway decent men are caught with their pants down. He is the hardiest weed left.

      • David

        That’s both an amusing and useful point. Wait until the Wikileaks explosion !

        • Ivan M

          I don’t think WikiLeaks has any information that can affect Clinton worse than they have already released. Her supporters have discounted all information about her corruption and subversion of justice. The leak has to be on the order of a murder to have an impact.

          • magnolia

            Assange claims they have only released 1% of what they have, which is a bit chilling. I don’t know how much of the publicised body counts related to the Clintons can fairly be laid at their door, even at a remove or two. Possibly none and the whole thing is hyped, but there are at the least a very odd number of suicides – Vince Foster et al-and accidents following, sometimes undertaken in strangely unconvincing ways.

            Anyway I think we are watching a train crash unfolding. Sad, and not fun, but necessary, it would seem.

          • Ivan M

            They even have a term for these “accidents” – Klintocide I believe.

          • Maxine Schell

            My son recently asked me if his dad or I ever had an acquaintance who was murdered, and the answer is “no”. He reminded me that it has been documented that 55 of Clinton friends or aquaintances were murdered (mostly in Arkansas).

          • Ivan M

            Arkancide, the US is a most dangerous place for the unwary.

          • Maxine Schell

            I an not sure murder would be enough for Democrats. It is a mind-set that defies logic.

    • IanCad

      Listened to Any Questions recently?

    • Anton

      It always was. What you mean is that the veneer over world politics has been reduced to the intellectual level of the Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer Show.

  • Fred

    This election, amongst others, may be God’s way of pointing out that praying for his will amongst national leaders is every bit as important as voting.

    • David

      Quite.

  • David

    This article is spot on, describing the situation very well. By that I mean that, it describes the situation as I see it. In some senses the choice is about who is the worst, and rejecting that one. But I look at their policies and politics.

    Politics nowadays is not really about right versus left, which are overworked, increasingly meaningless terms. The big struggle is between the grasping globalists who will, if they succeed, destroy western culture, and those of both right and left who will defend local cultures, nation states and the democracies within those nation states, and therefore the freedom of the families and individuals within each nation.

    Trump is big enough, ugly enough and independent enough, because of his wealth, to oppose the globalists, uphold America’s much abused constitution and re-create a zone of political and legal freedom in which sincere Christians can operate according to their individual conscience, as was intended originally by their constitution.

    Hilary will do none of those things. She appears to be close to notorious globalists like George Soros, who supports unlimited immigration into Europe and the US, which is unchecked will destroy the last vestiges of Christendom.

    For me the choice is simple. I see Trump for what he is, and pray daily for him to win this race. Trump will give the west breathing space to rediscover its own culture, ideals and faith, before it is too late. Clinton will accelerate our demise.

    • Merchantman

      Trump called Clinton ‘the Devil’. This was one of the most interesting comments of the night. You are right Globalism and all its bedfellows is the potential nemesis of the West; what used to be Christendom.

  • magnolia

    Agree completely. And Assange claims that Wikileaks has heaps more on Hilary, which will bury her as a candidate.

    The issue which completely overshadows the rest for me is the possibility of WW3, and Trump is far less likely to go ahead with it. Nevertheless, oh for a realistic 3rd candidacy! A triumvirate of Rand and Ron Paul with Ben Carson could still save the US……

    • David

      Agreed. But the US has a brutally binary system.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Only because people vote that way. They don’t have to do so.

    • Ivan M

      Trump does not want to fight the Russians, Syrians or even it seems the Iranians. He is far less likely to get people killed for no reason other than hubris.

    • bluedog

      Agreed that the possibility of WW3 is the real issue. Don’t agree with your conclusion that Trump is the least likely to start it. Trump’s character seems to be one that personalises situations where hurt or insult is perceived. For example, Obama was humiliated by the Chinese who ‘forgot’ to provide steps so he could get out of his aircraft. Obama turned the other cheek. But how would Trump have reacted? Possibly in an explosive fashion. Behind Hillary is Bill, who for all his faults was president during a period of relative peace and prosperity. Bill had good judgement in recognising and managing serious threats, although arguably the Balkan War against Serbia was a mistake.

    • Anton

      Is Assange going to cough it up?

      • magnolia

        I guess most of the rest of the 99% which Assange claims they have will be released. I believe that there is a rigorous process of checking double-checking and attempting to ensure that no innocent third party gets hurt, but don’t know any more than what you can glean on the basic internet. Assange believes, rightly or wrongly, that Hilary Clinton is a threat to all humankind. I cannot see Wikileaks is going to hold back. It will be interesting to see quite what they have. I imagine it will also be carefully timed for maximum impact.

      • len

        Possibly waiting for the right moment?

  • The Explorer

    “God is not mocked.” Actually, it seems to me that God is mocked all the time. God is being mocked in this American election. I’d rephrase it as, “God is mocked; but when He is, there are consequences. Certainly in the next life, and sometimes in this one.”

    • Ivan M

      I surmise that God would prefer not to be an adjunct of the State cult as in the US.

  • Politically__Incorrect

    The choice between Trump and Clinton is a choice between the lesser of two evils. If I were an American voter I would still vote for Trump on the grounds that his obnoxiousness is at least out in the open and not refuted. I am more likely to trust someone who is openly loathsome than someone who constantly tries to hide their evil nature. Clinton is a poison chalice. I hope the American people don’t fall for the her softer façade and ignore the toxicity inside.

    • magnolia

      It is awful that the American people have to choose between two people who are little if any better than many in jail. Shows how corrupt their system truly is- partly through accident, partly through ignorance, partly through design.

      Somehow I think God will have heard those large prayer gatherings that have taken part in the US in recent years. It is a matter for some encouragement that God can take a scoundrel and work through him or her sometimes as it seems likely that that is what must happen.

      • Dominic Stockford

        The FBI have implied that if one weren’t who she is, she may well be in jail. As for the other….

  • Andrew Holt

    This election is like watching 2 old and punch drunk boxers coming out of retirement for one last bout. Neither can deliver the knockout blow. It’s that pathetic and one’s heart is near to breaking for the poor American people whose “choice” this will be.

  • CliveM

    Donald Trump has boasted of sexually assaulting women. Whatever other failings he has, and there are many, this one should exclude him from office.

    This isn’t trivial. To vote in such a man would be like saying assault doesn’t really matter. It does.

    Neither party should get elected. How anyone can view either of them as defenders of western values is beyond. Although it might depend on what you believe those values to be.

    • Ivan M

      Predatory behavior did not exclude Bill Clinton. He was not a bad President.

      • CliveM

        It should have done, especially if that behaviour included sexual assault and rape. It not good enough to say “oh well, he wasn’t a bad President, so it doesn’t really matter”.

        It should do.

        • Ivan M

          The US system is the result of competing factions , more so in the case of a very large and complex country. Many who are uncomfortable with Trump will rationalize the vote as one against Hillary rather than for Trump. Most people just want to be left alone. A state of affairs that is unlikely to be sustained under a Hillary presidency

      • The Explorer

        His worst legacy is probably leaning on the banks to make subprime mortgage loans that would later precipitate the financial crisis.

        • Ivan M

          It seemed like a good idea at that time. The fact is many more people – throughout what can be called the Anglosphere, the haunt of Anglo-Saxon economics which includes Singapore – made their fortune in real estate and finance. I have no idea how it works, otherwise I’d be retired in India. There is little reason to believe that financial prudence would have delivered any increasing wealth, in the face of technology that is increasingly looking like it will replace every high paying job. I mean to say that the money that was made and lost would not have existed anyway if Clinton had been prudent over the banking reforms.

          • The Explorer

            It started with Jimmy Carter and the Community Reinvestment Act. It wanted everyone to be a property owner. It had far more to do with social justice than with making profits, since it forced the banks into making loans they would never have contemplated. The banks, of course, took advantage by packaging debt to look like something else and selling it on.

          • James Bolivar DiGriz

            “It seemed like a good idea at that time”
            No it didn’t, making loans to people who cannot afford to pay them back is not a good a idea but that is what Clinton strong-armed the banks into doing.

            Black Americans had no problem with getting a mortgage before then – if they could afford it. Fewer black Americans had mortgages than white ones and that may be because of racism but if so that was because of society keeping them in poorly paying jobs, not the banks refusing to lend to creditworthy people.

            Before then US banks had packaged up mortgages and sold them as collateral for decades, but the categories were kept separate and the less reliable packages were sold for less. After Clinton’s changes the packages of mortgages contained a mixture of categories, because that was the only way to get anyone to buy the sub-prime mortgages.

          • Ivan M

            All true, but they had to get the party started.

          • James Bolivar DiGriz

            I have no idea what you mean.

            The boom and inevitable bust that came from Clinton did is not my idea of a party.

          • Ivan M

            Sorry for the late reply. Boom/bust scenarios are the norm when it comes to real estate. The promise of large returns are too hard to resist. The banks played along notwithstanding their wide-eyed innocence in blaming the corrupt politicians.

          • James Bolivar DiGriz

            Boom & bust may be common in the property market but the bust does not normally take down (or damage) a large chunk of the world’s financial institutions.

            And the banks did not ‘play along’ they obeyed the law. Clinton made it clear that if they did not make loans that would not be repaid then he would bring in legislation to force them to do so and that the law would be more stringent that what he was ‘asking’ them to do.

            Did the banks make money out of this, yes of course they did, that is what they are supposed to do. Would the banks have lent so much money on sub-prime mortgages without Clinton interfering, no of course not.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Several others too – including ‘Saint’ Kennedy.

  • The Explorer

    Trump is currently being taken to task for stuff he said in 2005.

    • magnolia

      True. Eleven years might have made him more mature. Let’s hope so. Not sure I would wish to be quizzed on the silliest most indiscreet things I said in 2005, many of which I no longer remember and some with which I no longer even agree. Heck, I believed in MMGW back then: embarrassing or what?

  • chefofsinners

    Caption for the picture, anyone?

    How about:
    Don’t go breakin’ my heart
    I won’t go breakin’ your heart…

    • CliveM

      LOL

      Or how about “I got you babe”!

      • magnolia

        “You don’t bring me flowers any more” ?

    • CliveM

      Fairy Tale of New York

      “You scum bag
      You maggot
      You cheap lazy faggot”

      • chefofsinners

        Perfect. I knew the truth was out there.
        “Merry Christmas you asshole, thank God it’s our last.”

    • Orwell Ian

      Any depth you can plumb I can go deeper
      I can sink any depth deeper than you
      No you can’t.
      Yes, I can.
      No, you can’t.
      Yes, I can.
      No, you can’t.
      Yes, I can, YES, I CAN!

  • Caption has to be “Islands in the Stream” surely

  • len

    Ye’ll tak’ the high road and I’ll tak the low road

    And I’ll be President afore ye

    • Anton

      The ultimate secular humanist song.

      • len

        Played at the funeral of one of the Kray’s.
        I shuddered to think what Gods view would be.

  • Trump: “And then I go and spoil it all by saying stupid like…”
    Clinton: “I love you”.

  • Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve, talks of the developing crisis (his word) in white working-class America. First, how it used to be:

    You put a roof over your family and put food on the table; you had a wife, you had a couple of kids. All of this did a couple of things. One is it provided the family as the unit of organization of the community, which is real important for reasons we can come back to. But also, it gave you a real status in that community. You were one of the good guys. A guy your age who wasn’t supporting his wife, wasn’t taking care of his kids was a bum. He didn’t have the status you did.

    Then, you get the 1960s:

    You get the Pill in the early 1960s, Sexual Revolution. You get the sudden preoccupation of the Democratic Party with blacks in the middle of the 1960s, which continues. In the late 60s, it adds women. In the 70s, late 70s, it’s already beginning to add gays as the objects of the elite liberal affection and concern. White working-class guys not only are saying, ‘What about us?’ They’re actively the objects of scorn of the liberal elites. They are sexist, they are racists, and later they’re homophobic. They’re violent. They’re guilty of abusing their wives and children, and in all sorts of ways, nobody stops to say, ‘Most of you guys are still the salt of the earth, you make America go.’ There was none of that rhetoric.

    Members of the white working class, and white Americans in general, should ask themselves which candidate has their well-being at heart. Hint: it isn’t Hillary.

  • IanCad

    Amazing!! Those self same people who get all bent out of shape over the silly, impulsive remarks of Donald Trump, seem to have little difficulty in wallowing in the most prurient filth displayed on the TV every night. If that fails to satiate, then there are the movies. Sex, violence, corruption – every imagination of the thoughts of his heart – freely revelled in, as a course of habit.
    But We! We are free to judge.

    • Dreadnaught

      If he did what he says he did to your wife or daughter how would you feel then?

      • IanCad

        He talked – didn’t necessarily do. Clinton did and his wife enabled the acts.

        • Dreadnaught

          You dont know what he did but I suspect he would like to be seen as a man of his word. The guy’s a creep; even if what he does do what he says if elected. Could a self declared groper get elected here?

          • IanCad

            Depends who he groped. I’m sure a an unquestionably alpha male attempting an uninvited embrace on a female, would face a far tougher struggle than homosexual touching up a young man.

          • Dreadnaught

            You did not comment on my first post or that of being an honourable man or anything else – so you bring in hypothetical homosexual misdemeanour in the race to the bottom (see what I did there)

          • IanCad

            Well, my wife is voting for him.

          • IanCad

            Not a race to the bottom at all. Merely an observation based on society’s shifting sexual preferences.

          • Dreadnaught

            In this election it is definitely a race to the bottom.

          • IanCad

            Aren’t they all?

          • Anton

            As in the USA, that depends who the alternative is.

        • CliveM

          Do you have any reason to doubt his word on this?

          • IanCad

            No Clive, not at all. I am however quite aware that – to quote Henry Kissinger – “Power is, after all, the ultimate aphrodisiac.

          • CliveM

            If it was simply womanising it wouldn’t be a problem, but we’re talking assault.

  • The Explorer

    Mundabor has quite a pithy comment on the Trump situation. (For those who don’t know Mundabor, according to Linus it’s the only blog on the internet more right wing, bigoted, intolerant etc than this one.)

    • Ivan M

      Imagine what would have happened at Lepanto had Pius V, been overcome by the vapours over Don Juan’s womanising.

      • CliveM

        Well womanising isn’t sexual assault. Nor is this Lepanto. Nor do we allow or agree with a lot of things from that era.

  • Inspector General

    A cynical Inspector gives a wry smile. When the innocent damsel tearfully bleats, “I found myself alone with Bill / Donald” you can put good money on it being exactly the way she’d hoped it would be. That’s the most shocking aspect of this whole series of sorry episodes. That no one of import is brave enough to come forward and say it. Having said that, it would take a hearty fellow to do so, for the feminists etc will stop clawing at those two with their nails and start on the messenger.

    Oddly enough, the Inspector has never had problems with finding himself alone with women he barely knew or didn’t know. Oh no. The girls make sure that won’t happen to them, or sadly, to him! But can an Inspector blame them for their reluctance. The Inspector is neither vastly wealthy nor dripping power. But if he was either or even better, both – it might have been a different story, would it not…

    So there you have it, chaps. Anyone surprised, or perhaps you’re offended. You shouldn’t be. It’s been going on ever since a hominoid took to walking on two legs and declared himself king. And more than one of the females around him thought “he’s interesting – I want to be alone with him”.

    • IanCad

      A man on a platform. A flavor of power, of authority, and ladies’ instincts perk. Exactly why preachers and politicians often have trouser problems.

    • Cressida de Nova

      ” But can an Inspector blame them for their reluctance”

      You should get some pointers from chefofsinners. He claims to be fighting women off with a stick. It could be his sartorial superiority. Although I’m not sure if wearing a pair of bloomers on your head might get the same reaction.

      • Inspector General

        Hardly surprising. The Chef has an open-topped sports car and oodles of money. One would not be too overwhelmed to learn that he’s a former Guards officer who owns half of Perthshire. What gal can possibly resist? He’s very popular with trannys too, they say…

        • Cressida de Nova

          True….he is a bit of a heart throb but as a militant Protestant he is off limits to the Catholic gals.

          • Inspector General

            One thinks of him as a Leslie Phillips type…

          • chefofsinners

            Ding dong!

  • Inspector General

    Well, the caption has to be…

    “If you were my husband, I’d poison your coffee”

    “If you were my wife, I’d drink it”

    • chefofsinners

      If you were my husband I’d defend you regardless.
      If you were my wife I’d cheat on you.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Will Americans vote for one, where what you see (and hear) is what you get – or for the other, where what you see and hear has nothing much to do with what you’ll get.

  • carl jacobs

    Donald Trump is a vain, obnoxious, arrogant, lying, bombastic sleazebag. Or, as they say across the pond, “an asshole”.

    Typical British understatement. Brits always seem to understate things.

    • Phil R

      “vain obnoxious, arrogant, lying, bombastic sleazebag”

      A normal politician then.

      Not a Madame Tussauds wax figure like the rest of them?

      Good.

    • chefofsinners

      No, Brits occasionally understate things. On very rare occasions and then only a little bit.

      • carl jacobs

        I see what you did there.

    • IanCad

      Childish ad hominem. Swallowed whole by those who should know better.

  • Slack Alice

    Grabbing someone by the genitals is only a sexual assault if someone accuses the groper of sexual assault and it is proved to be so in a court. Trump boasting about what some women will let him do to them is not a Des ription of a sexual assault.

  • bluedog

    The word from mrs bluedog, who has read the article and the links. ‘Trump is a complete sleaze-bag and no woman could possibly vote for him. Hillary faced a difficult situation with Broaddrick which threatened her marriage. She stood by her man. Women will recognise the dilemma and be prepared to vote for Clinton, believing that she would stand by them and support the position of women in a general sense’.

    • chefofsinners

      Would you like to expand on how and when Mrs Bluedog ‘recognised the dilemma’?

      • bluedog

        She says, ‘It’s not a situation that I’ve been in, but Hillary is being faithful to her marriage vows and I see that as important.’

        • chefofsinners

          Extraordinarily faithful.

          • IanCad

            Much easier for a woman to overlook the the peccadillos of a rich husband than a poor one.

        • Anton

          Ivan has the key to it, above.

          • Ivan M

            One has to respect her single-minded dedication to acquiring power. Eight years ago she was the anointed one until Obummer ran away with her lunch. It must have eaten her out to watch him pass Medicare as his achievement. In 1993 or thereabouts Bill Clinton had tried the same deputising his wife as the brains behind his version of Medicare. An honourable person would not have settled for Sec of State under those circumstances. But not her, making matters worse by building up a resume of incompetence and treachery while in that office As it is often said God looks after little children and the United States. We have to rely on His mercy.

    • Phil R

      Mrs R on the other hand likes Trump.

      She says he speaks his mind and that he is his own man not manufactured politician like Cruz, Cameron and Blair.

      If the US does not want him come November, please send him here.

      Please!

    • Inspector General

      {HOWL!}

    • Ivan M

      She “stood by her man” since he remains her ticket to power.

      • dannybhoy

        It’s his coat tails she’s holding, not his pants…

    • IanCad

      I seem to recall bluedog; in a post several years back, you referred to said Mrs., as Bitch. As in Bitch and myself. I did remark then that I sincerely hoped she would not see your unwise post.
      You are a reformed man. Back then you did seem to take the canine association role rather too far.

      • bluedog

        Thank you IC. In fact her sense of humour is sufficiently robust to have enabled her to see the joke without mistaking it as an insult. Indeed, she might even regard ‘bitch’ as a badge of honour.

  • The Explorer

    Trump said in 2005 that his daughter had a “nice ass”, and has caused a storm in 2016. If only he could have said it about his son (if he’d got one, or somebody else’s if he hadn’t) there’d have been no problem.

  • IrishNeanderthal

    Trump, I understand, said “I’m a star.” It does seem that stars are allowed to get with all sorts of things, and often their reprehensible behaviour is applauded and approved. Although in today’s political climate, “some stars are more equal than others.”

    I have just noticed that star spelled backwards is rats. No accusations of Troktikaphobia, please.

  • Maxine Schell

    Hillary didn’t take Bill’s name till he got to be Governor. I lived in AR then…was like living in a small town. Everyone seemed to know everybody! It was all DEMOCRAT, all the time. Bill was their beloved “Slick Willie”…Hillary was Rodham, a foreigner, unfriendly, couldn’t stand the AR accent, and rumored to have a fowl mouth. She was slumming to be there. Bill was paying late night visits to my daughter’s art teacher (who later eloped with Norman Mailer) (or so the local gossips said).

    Who knows what will happen!! Things can change. AR is solid Republican now…has the most Rep. government in the Union. Like they all woke up at once (and after I left the state). I laughed when “Clinton Cash” was published…most thought it was NEWS…it was “old news” to Arkies!

    Probably polititions were always so sleezy, and we’re just now knowing it.

    • Oisín mac Fionn

      Hillary has a fowl mouth?

      I’d be spitting feathers too if I had to share a podium with Donald Trump.

      • Maxine Schell

        Oops

        • IanCad

          Very gracious of you Maxine. True gentlemen would overlook such easily made mistakes.

  • The Explorer

    Female voters outnumber male voters in the States. That may be in absolute numbers, or in terms of those who care to vote. It will be decided by whether women hate Hillary more or Trump more. What is key is whether the Trump tapes (and there are sure to be more if the first lot don’t sink him) will now trump Hillaryphobia.

    • CliveM

      I’ve seen polls that say he’s 11 points behind. In a normal election I’d say he was finished. However………….

      • IanCad

        It should be closer than that; but on the whole, you are probably right and the prospect of another Democrat President appears more likely.
        It will have to hurt some more.

        • CliveM

          Sadly I don’t see either of them as being the answer to US problems. Or else where’s.

          • IanCad

            The energy and fortitude of that intrepid race negates, to a large extent, the shortcomings of their leadership.

  • TropicalAnglican

    “You scumhag.”
    “You toerag.”
    [Time-out]…
    Trump: “I’m a gentleman, you go first” (actually said during debate)
    Clinton (accepting): “You’ll soon be history, you trampbag” (not actually said during debate)
    Trump: “The voters will decide, you soon-to-be lag”…

  • Sir_Hugo_Baskerville

    “Grabbing someone’s genitals (however breezily) without their consent is sexual assault.”

    “they let you do it.”
    QED

  • len

    Its a lose lose situation for the US whoever wins the Presidency.

    • Orwell Ian

      and the rest of us probably.

    • dannybhoy

      Yes, I would have preferred Ben Carson.

      • Merchantman

        …and who still support Trump. Brave man.

    • Pubcrawler

      That ambitious political experiment, begun in 1776, looks to have run its course and the results are far from encouraging, if these are the best candidates on offer out of all the potential millions. What would Jefferson say?

      • IanCad

        After surveying the nonentities we’ve elected to office, Hill and Trump would both raise the standards in Westminster.

      • len

        It truly amazes me that of all America to choose from Trump and Clinton are the ones put forward as candidates.. I suppose now though Trump really is an independent and this must terrify the establishment.

    • IanCad

      Can’t see how you can say that Len. On the one hand there is a candidate complicit in the gradual decline of incomes, the fracturing of social mores, the implementation of disastrous foreign policies.
      The other offers a re-vamping of the economy, a return to a more liberal social order, and the honouring of the rule of law.
      It is astonishing to me how so many normally sensible members of this blog can cast aside their reason, their common-sense, their perception of justice, and claim the two candidates are as one.

  • Hillary Clinton would do well to remember that ‘people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones’.

    All that has been said of Donald Trump might well be true. There is no doubt that he lacks respect for women, and as a rich man, he has discovered that for some women, money and status mean more than their self-respect. And then, of course, he has taken advantages of the loop-holes in their tax system to further his wealth.

    Sadly, Mrs Bill Clinton lacks the moral authority to bring these things up. The fact that she does, suggests a lack of conscience as well as contempt for the intelligence of her audience.

  • bockerglory

    Your Grace

    Oh dear. Perhaps we should all study our ancient laws a bit more.

    Trump has not committed a crime – for a crime there must be an act and state of mind. A state of mind alone is not a crime. However, for Bill Clinton, there is an allegation of both elements which is far more serious and Hillary knows this (being a lawyer). Hillary is deploying “discredit the defences’ witness” and that is why she always gets personal (look at the Obama elections.

    Morals are a different matter and for Christians are based on God’s judgement. And our Lord Jesus said that even lewd thought or murderous thoughts were equivalent to the act. I bet even your Grace had lewd thoughts as a teenager of what he would do alone with a winsome woman. So we are all Sinners.

    So your Grace, I reproach you for being hysterical and please be rational and be bible centred. God gave us Moses (murderer), mad King Saul, King David (mmmm Bathsheba) and King Solomon (who displeased God with his polygamy and left his kingdom in a state of financial ruin).

    So far Trump has displayed no more sinful nature than prophets in the past. In fact God knows we are all sinful as he knows our thoughts so perhaps that is why God isn’t worried about Trump’s sins – he knows this already and he wants us all of us to repent! As your followers have pointed out, we are hypocrites as we often watch fortification on TV etc.

    So conclusion is, men are highly sexual and joke with each other and God may lift up Trump to be a Great President.

    I think your Grace has been herded into hysteria by Satan & has become confused. Satan normally uses the lowest of low to win arguments. I want to hear more about policies on economics than hear Hillary and yourself moan about what was said in private 10yrs ago.

    • Inspector General

      Quite so, Bock. Let our earthly leaders be real leaders of men, and we can surmise that Trump is that. And let us keep our character judgements reserved for those priests who hold high office, and can be found in the House of Lords. And we can surmise that the majority are not as we would expect.

    • Martin

      Bock

      But Moses, David and the prophets were made righteous by faith and repented of their sin. Neither of these candidates come in that catagory. Both revel in their misuse of power.

      I can’t help but think of Dickens’ view of the USA portrayed in Martin Chuzzlewit.

  • dannybhoy

    Bill’s a naughty, naughty boy…
    http://freedomoutpost.com/email-template/

    • chefofsinners

      And, if you read on, Hillary is worse.
      Today will be a turning point in the campaign. Trump has left the control of the Republican hierarchy and will now appeal to disillusioned voters across the spectrum. He will no longer be obliged to show any restraint in publicising evidence such as this. It will blow the establishment apart.

      • dannybhoy

        Hmm..
        You’re not planning anything similar for this site are you?

        • chefofsinners

          We’re gonna make Archbishop Cranmer great again!
          (Don’t ask me to release my tax returns)

  • Royinsouthwest

    For some reason when I was reading this the words of Henry Kissinger (no great looker himself) came to mind: Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

  • Martin

    God help America when one of these two become president.

    • len

      I do wonder if Trump and Clinton are Gods Judgement on America since the Obama administration have ceased to support Israel and are trying to carve up Gods Land Israel.
      Whichever one wins the presidency America is in for one hell of a bumpy ride.

      • Martin

        Len

        It isn’t just Israel, the nation, like ours, has abandoned all restraint and rushed into sin.

    • dannybhoy

      You should know Isaiah 3>
      10″ Say to the righteous that it will go well with them, for they will eat the fruit of their actions. 11 Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him, for what he deserves will be done to him. 12 O My people! Their oppressors are children, and women rule over them. O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray, and confuse the direction of your paths.”
      The USA has gradually departed from the Christian values that shaped their nation and embraced all kinds of humanistic and amoral principles. God will not be mocked, and when the leadership of a nation becomes morally corrupt, that nation will suffer.

      • Martin

        Danny

        Can’t quarrel with that. I just wonder what is in store for the UK that has been so blessed of God.

        • dannybhoy

          Don’t you think it’s down to repentance and intercession Martin? If enough of the Church come together in prayer God may send revival. It’s only speculation on my part, but it seems to me that the vote to leave the EU may have triggered a sea change in our country’s future and spiritual health.

          • Martin

            Danny

            I don’t see a turning to God, even among many who call themselves Christians.

      • IanCad

        Danny, let me haste to assure you that “Christian values” are proclaimed far more enthusiastically in the USA. Vibrant churches, open discussion, the First Amendment.
        Our own land should be of far greater concern. Abandoned churches, be careful what you preach, let’s all get along. This is a dark land, the glorious light of truth has dimmed, the people perish.
        The Gospel of Christ displaced by that of immoral and corrupt man.

        • dannybhoy

          God makes it clear all through the Old Testament that when a country walks in His ways He will bless it and vice versa. The ‘cursings’ are a consequence not just of God’s displeasure, but a consequence of walking away from the light into the darkness. Nothing in human affairs happens overnight, everything is a process, a progression of events and choices. So we may still be enjoying blessings even though our hearts have moved away from God.
          The political establishment in the US has become corrupt and that affects the rest of society.
          I’m not saying that all America is corrupt, but the people who hold the power have sold out.

          • IanCad

            Danny, the people who hold the true power in America are the electorate. Those others in whom the reins of power are assumed to be held are not necessarily of corrupt castes. Left and right, of all religions and none, the corridors of power are stalked by the good, the bad, and the ugly.
            I would suggest more by the good than the bad. Congressmen, justices, heads of the great departments of state, are mortals tasked with doing their best. We may disagree with their performances and utterances; Assign to them the basest of character for their poor judgment and mistakes, but I still maintain that most take their responsibilities seriously and genuinely attempt to do the best they can.

          • dannybhoy

            The trend has been that the people who hold power are the people who manipulate the electorate and feeds ’em whatever suits through a compliant media.
            The fact is that many people know there is something wrong, but they don’t know the truth, and even if they do things are so rigged now that there is virtually nothing short of civil disobedience they can do about it.
            I think this is why Trump is popular. He speaks a language they understand, and he promises to do something to change the situation,
            Nigel Farage was effective for similar reasons.

          • dannybhoy

            ps
            Martial Law may be the next step…

          • IanCad

            Not with an armed populace.

          • dannybhoy

            You’re wrong.
            Remember this?

            What you’re forgetting is the need for strong leadership that can coordinate forces. The public aren’t trained to be leaders, they are trained to obey the rule of law, and we have arrived at a point where the rule of law is whatever the governing powers say it is.
            So going back to my first comment, the government has the reins of power. All the armed forces and special forces are geared up to obey government leadership; and as long as that leadership can convince those forces that it is the right thing to do by obeying orders, then they will prevail.

          • IanCad

            The Oregon stand-off was, primarily, a local matter. It will be added, along with the murder of Jack Yantis, to the rural column of resentment. The Bundy ranch was a different story. Well publicized, organized, and besides, the Feds went all chicken when they saw how many guns there were.

            All members of the police and military are sworn to uphold the Constitution. They cannot be counted upon to support the government in event of legal mischief. Your point about strong leadership is right on the money.

          • dannybhoy

            But not in support of government! The Western world is going down because we no longer stand for anything more than the latest ‘yuman right’, the latest concession to minority freedoms,
            Our nations stand for nothing bar freedom of expression. We move ever closer to a totalitarian nightmare because that is all that will save us from freedom out of control.
            The reason Islam advances in the West is not because it is better, but because it knows what it stands for and is willing to die to promote it. America by contrast is ruled by a corrupt political elite who remain in control of the levers of power without morality.

          • IanCad

            Danny, That there is an “elite” I do not dispute. It is in the nature of politicians to become so. Not all do. America still works pretty well as does our fair land. One day troubles may arise but I do not see any immediate change threatening the social order. I’m not saying that such could not happen, it is just that I think it is unlikely in America for the very reason that the folks over there have guns. We don’t and are thus more exposed to the tyrannies of those who wish to conform our land to their image of perfection.

          • dannybhoy

            “Danny, That there is an “elite” I do not dispute. It is in the nature of politicians to become so.”
            Now this is true. It is a part of our humanity to want power and self fulfilment. The Bible is full of examples.
            The difference is though that in the past nations were ruled by monarchs, tyrants, dictators and despots. The West adopted a form of democracy shaped (I think) by Christian concepts of the value of man..
            Those values have been displaced by secular humanism. and as a consequence men in power or desirous of power seek to shape society so as to realise and secure their own ambitions.
            I understand why Americans carry guns, but I don’t think it can find its justification in the 2nd Amendment because that plainly posits an organised militia.. I see its justification as being justified by the sheer size of the country.
            In our country we are content to follow the rule of law because there are still enough of us who understand what that law is based on. I suspect that when this generation passes, we will see a lot more corruption..

          • IanCad

            Not to belabour the question Danny, but the militia is composed of armed citizens. The right of those citizens to KEEP and bear arms shall not be infringed.

          • dannybhoy

            The Second Amendment reads as follows:

            “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed…”

            Individual citizens bearing arms in their everyday lives does NOT constitute a militia!
            Definition of ‘militia’..

            1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
            b : a body of citizens organized for military service
            2 the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

          • IanCad

            Danny,

            “Individual citizens bearing arms in their everyday lives does NOT constitute a militia!”
            Correct! They are only a militia when called upon to act in that role. In order to fulfil that function it is necessary to have to hand, their arms. Therefore the second clause cannot be read without the understanding that, indeed, citizens have the perfect right to arm themselves.
            The earliest acts of most tyrannies are to render the populace defenceless. Thus the first step in my journey to embrace fully the wisdom of the Second Amendment.

          • dannybhoy

            You’re playing games!
            The American people have an armed militia. It’s called The US Army, backed up by the US Navy and the mighty US Air Force…
            No President has insisted that the American people return to the exact conditions of the 2nd Amendment, simply because such a system couldn’t cope with the needs of a modern nation state.
            Look, if I lived in America I would have both handgun and rifle because the law currently allows us to do so, and it seems to me a necessary precaution in a way that it wouldn’t here.

          • IanCad

            Danny, I am not playing games, my comments have been based on well established interpretations of the Second Amendment contained in law.
            So; you are claiming the military has replaced the need for a militia? This is exactly what the drafters of the Constitution were concerned about. The expansion of the power of the state to the hurt of the citizenry.
            I should add, this does not mean there should not be a national military, just that “we the people” can offer a balance to an overly enthusiastic aggregation of power by that force.

          • dannybhoy

            I doubt the founding fathers would have any inkling of how great a nation American would become -and a force for good in the world -and the protector of the free world.
            A militia might work if each state had one but not for international affairs.
            And anyway, all forms of government are open to corruption Ian.
            I don’t know if you read it but in case not here it is..
            http://www.discovery.org/a/24921
            The Tea Party pointed out years ago the overgrowth of government and the impotence of the people.

  • Martin

    I must confess, that picture makes them look as if they’re singing a duet, and perhaps they are.

  • big

    Typical reactionary drivel…..as for that last part of this blog post,which i assume is from the bible,its more likely to be Wikileaks, Snowdon, or some other whistle blower who will find “the truth”.
    So, please lets not talk about the “Hillerator” Clinton, and her stupid and dangerous no fly zone policy, AKA Lets start WW lll, in Syria! No,oh no that wouldn’t do would it? Instead lets blather on,and on about the “Donald” and his sexual peccadilloes…..or her husbands.

    Remember “We came, we saw, he died”……and then she laughed. WOW…

    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of ecceptable opinion,but allow a very lively debate within that spectrum….” N. Chomsky.

    So my advice to the readership of this blog is this, stick to important issues, you know the ones which could result in thermo nuclear war.

  • grutchyngfysch

    The casualty here is morality. If you accept that the accusations about Trump are serious, you are required to take seriously the numerous charges laid out against Bill and against Hilary’s knowledge and concealment of the same. If you accept that Bill is a rapist, you are required to recognise that Trump is at best only one step removed from the same crime and stem from the same sinful nature. In reality, both sides use the evils perpetrated by the other as an excuse for those perpetrated by their man or woman.

    Morality deals with the evil inherent in the act: there are no better evils, yet this false choice is precisely what our politics has delivered to us across the western world. I’m not naive: I know that in terms of the presence of sin in high office, it is as old as the fall, but I cannot help but reflect that in the not so distant past, both candidates would have been required to resign and shuffle off into disgrace.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Is it not worse for someone to support what is called by its supporters “postpartum abortion”? Otherwise known as infanticide, or child murder. One of the candidates does, and guess what, the media aren’t mentioning it….

  • 4TimesAYear

    Actually, Hillary persecuted the women her husband raped. A dead pet is not “conjecture” – testimony from a Marine is not “conjecture”. Btw, Trump said “They let you” – if it’s consensual, how is it assault?

  • DP111

    The Clintons had only one thing to sell – influence. They sold access to government, and influencing policy, to any who would pay. That includes Wall street bankers, and even Islamists.

    in time of war specially, this is nothing short of treason.

    .