Mohammad Naqib ur Rehman meets Justin Welby 2
Extremism

Why is it "great to welcome" Muslim hate-preachers to Lambeth Palace?

 

“Great to welcome Herod Antipas to the Cenacle on Mount Zion today,” tweeted Jesus, just after the Tetrarch of Galilee has ordered the decapitation of the notorious hate-preacher John the Baptist, whose head was then served up on a silver platter. You can’t go around Perea baptising unauthorised prophets willy-nilly and denouncing the governor’s marriage as incestuous and contrary to Jewish law, so Antipas was urged to deal swiftly with the problem. It was a religious duty.

Mohammad Naqib ur Rehman tweet

Shaykh Muhammad Naqib ur Rehman was in the UK for a tour of city mosques. He was here with Hassan Haseeb ur Rehman, and a meeting with the Archbishop of Canterbury is obviously a good idea, if only to discuss Islamic-Christian interfaith relations and the best way of countering the narrative of extremism and terrorism. And the Shaykh is a decent kind of bloke:

…a man with inborn graciousness and a compassionate nature who exudes a special, spiritual charisma. His respectful eminence is a paragon of virtue that walks in humility and with utmost humbleness. Whenever an individual meets with him on the veranda of Eidgah Shareef, whether it is the US Ambassador or an illiterate laborer, warmth and love radiates naturally from his smiles and greetings, engulfing the guests in its embrace. He is like a river of generosity and kindness that compels people from all walks of life to come and share their problems with him. They seek his blessed wisdom, regardless of the nature of their individual problems, whether worldly or spiritual.

That’s obviously the face of the Shaykh the Archbishop was meeting. His other face isn’t so gracious and compassionate:

The Muslim clerics have led a high-profile campaign in Pakistan in praise of assassin Mumtaz Qadri, who was executed in January after murdering liberal Pakistani politician Salmaan Taseer in 2011. The Punjab governor had criticised Pakistan’s strict anti-blasphemy laws, and Qadri claimed it was his religious duty to kill him.

Shahbaz Taseer, son of the assassinated governor who has himself been a victim of Pakistan’s militant Islamists,  is understandably upset. “These people teach murder and hate,” he said. “For me personally I find it sad that a country like England would allow cowards like these men in. It’s countries like the UK and the US that claim they are leading the way in the war against terror, setting a standard. Why are they allowing people that give fuel to the fire they are fighting against?”

His brother, Shehryar, added: “They supported and incited my father Salmaan Taseer’s murder. The UK government should deport them and Pakistan should prosecute them for the incitement of violence under the terrorism act. I find it disrespectful that a man like this has been entertained by the Archbishop. My family has been on the front lines when it comes to inter-faith harmony and these people disrespect anyone and everyone who speaks about religious harmony.”

The Home Secretary has the power to bar hate-preachers from entering the country if their presence represents a threat to national security or is otherwise deemed to be not conducive to the public good. Presumably, Shaykh Muhammad Naqib ur Rehman and Hassan Haseeb ur Rehman presented no such concerns. But Siobhain McDonagh MP isn’t so sure: “It’s no exaggeration to say that current Home Office policies are putting our country’s national security in danger,” she said. “Muhammad Naqib ur Rehman and Hassan Haseeb ur Rehman are just the most recent in a long line of radical preachers who have been allowed to enter this country and spread their hate.”

Of course, the Archbishop of Canterbury has to shake hands with all sorts of unsavoury characters – Robert Mugabe, for example. But one can’t quite see him tweeting: “Great to welcome President Mugabe at Lambeth Palace today.” It wouldn’t strike quite the right tone, would it? So why is it “great to welcome” Muslim clerics who hail Islamist assassins as holy warriors?

Haseeb ur Rehman declared: “..every single person who loves Islam and Prophet (Mohammed) is in grief for the martyrdom of Mumtaz Qadri because he has been hanged last night.” Is it really “great to welcome” those who incite murder? Is it “great to welcome” those who conflate murder with martyrdom? Is it “great to welcome” those who propagate an ideological cult which demands absolute submission to a vision of Islam in which blasphemy and apostasy are punishable by death, and the duty of all followers is Jihad – the struggle against all that corrupts the world of Allah and all that offends the precepts of Mohammed?

Why are these clerics even allowed into the UK to preach in British mosques? What, exactly, was Shaykh Muhammad Naqib ur Rehman here to preach? Maybe “warmth and love radiates naturally from his smiles and greetings” at Lambeth Palace, but one wonders how many potential suicide bombers in Bradford, Luton and Tower Hamlets are inspired to become “holy warriors” if they hear that Mumtaz Qadri is a role-model martyr; a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day.

It is one thing to come to the UK and tell the BBC and Channel 4 News that you bring a message of “peace, love and tolerance, which the essence of Islam is”. But surely that essence must be consistently expounded in Pakistan, too? How can we eradicate Islamic extremism from our shores if the Government grants visas to jihadist prophets and Lambeth Palace rolls out the red carpet and tweets how great it is to welcome them? How can we condemn Pakistan’s blasphemy laws and then laud those who glorify the murder of the man who tried to reform those laws? How can we condemn the appalling persecution and incarceration of Christians like Asia Bibi, sentenced to death by a court under those laws, and then say how great it is to welcome those who oppose justice, mercy and religious liberty?

Unless..

The Archbishop of Canterbury uses such meetings as an opportunity to understand, glean information and make intercession on behalf of Christians like Asia Bibi. You may be sceptical that he would so, but Justin Welby is no fool. It is important to forge diplomatic relationships with other religious leaders who can provide insights into what is going on in a particular country or region. Pakistan is one of the Archbishop’s priority countries, and the Shaykh is a leading Sufi leader.

But “great to welcome” such people it most certainly is not. Such ovations ought to be reserved for worthy dignitaries, or for real victims like Shahbaz and Shehryar Taseer, or Asia Bibi herself, should she ever be freed. Perhaps Lambeth Palace might extend its Twitter house style to incorporate a different kind of salutation for those whose salaam isn’t quite as peaceful, gracious and compassionate as their spiritual charisma radiates.

  • The Explorer

    “a man with inborn graciousness and a compassionate nature who exudes a special, spiritual charisma. His respectful eminence is a paragon of virtue that walks in humility etc.” Sounds like a description of Linus, and about as accurate.

  • Politically__Incorrect

    I do not comprehend the archbishop’s motives on this and many other things he says. I hope he does use the occasion to intercede for Asia Bibi and others like her. I don’t see the need to be so fulsome in the way he talks of the shaykh. I dont think that loving our ebemies means whitewashing them and painting a false picture of their ttue nature.

    • dannybhoy

      It might if you’ve lost your spiritual cojones….

    • Sarka

      My guess is that Justin wasn’t properly briefed. I bet whoever is in charge of these invites a) just received all the fulsome stuff from the clerics’ supporters and admirers, but also b) – because these clerics are Barelvis, and “sufis”, not deobandis – more associated with extremism in Pakistani, e.g. Taliban, simply made the lazy assumption that they were jolly nice peaceful chaps.

      In fact, alas, the Western meme that sufi Islam is “nice” tolerant traditional Islam (all mysticism and Rumi and picturesque ritual dancing), whereas assorted Salafists, Deobandis etc…are the bad fundie violent intolerant kind, is a hopeless simplification of the situation, Taseer’s murderer Qadri was Barely, plenty of extremely intolerant people in Pakistan are.

      A report on the dodgy side of the Shaykh, complete with the comments of the Taseer sons – made after the event – came out in an English language journal only a few days ago, after the Lambeth hospitality. It was obviously a reputable report, but it really was the first in English.

      So someone on Welby’s staff would have had to be an urdu reader and very au fait with Muslim politics in Pakistan to have picked up the problem in time. Pakistan has C of E affiliated churches, though, so I’m a little surprised that someone there didn’t sound the alarm…Perhaps no one noticed. In the UK, It would have been easy to pick up the phone and call Michael Nazir-Ali.

      If I am right, I suspect that Welby will now be slightly embarrassed, and I hope the lesson will be that Muslim clerics/bigwigs from Muslim majority countries need to be thoroughly researched as to their record before decisions are taken on rolling out the red carpet.

      • Politically__Incorrect

        You may be right about Welby simply being unaware of whom he was greeting. I sincerely hope that is the case

  • Dreadnaught

    Oi – Welby: No-o-o-o-o-o!

    Quran (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves” against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way…

    28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allah is the final return.

    Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences.” There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

    • dannybhoy

      Is that what they call “taqiyya”?

      • Dreadnaught

        Correct.

  • AncientBriton

    “The Home Secretary has the power to bar hate-preachers from entering the country if their presence represents a threat to national security or is otherwise deemed to be not conducive to the public good.”
    That is, the right sort of ‘hate’ preachers such as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer who have the knowledge to counter claims that Islam is a religion of peace but were barred for the ‘public good’!.

    • IanCad

      We could add Michael Savage and Geert Wilders. Would have done for Donald Trump as well if the SJW’s and Muslim MP’s had their way.
      I wonder if George Carey would have been so foolish as Welby?

  • len

    Here we have a conundrum when we are faced with ‘the peaceful’ persona’ of Islam an often barbaric, cruel, and abusive religion. How do we respond, how especially do Christians respond?
    ‘Loving ones enemies’ doesn`t mean condoning their actions or to avoiding telling them that murder or intimidation is not an acceptable practice…Not to do so will be seen as condoning their actions or even worse be seen as weakness an ‘appeasement’ to avoid being attacked.
    Christians must never compromise their faith in a futile bid to appear’ non divisive’….

  • David

    Increasingly I am puzzled by the Archbishop’s motives in activities such as this. Perhaps the true motives cannot be revealed. However his language, the exact words using for greetings, should be better tuned to the known actions of the persons being greeted.
    Of late he seems to be the source of very uncertain notes, like other western Church leaders. Sometimes I wish I’d been received into a Church with far greater consistency and clarity of both belief and action – like the Orthodox Church. We Christians are all called to witness. So I tire of the seeming prevarication and the frequent absence of demonstrable orthodox Christian faith.

  • Inspector General

    If Welby has any integrity left after that ghastly tweet, he might consider a penance of living for a week in the Lambeth palace rubbish bin, before handing in his resignation to an indignant but then relieved flock…

  • chefofsinners

    Presumably the shaykh went to Lambeth Palace because the Queen refused to meet him.

    • dannybhoy

      One would certainly like to think so.

      • Uncle Brian

        On the other hand, perhaps he didn’t want to be presented to the Queen because he’s not allowed to speak to women outside his own family. Just guessing.

        • dannybhoy

          In theory this is the Queen’s country and the Queen is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. More likely she did not want him presented…

  • Dreadnaught

    He would do well to keep these AHs at arms length and remember what happened when the hand of friendship is extended towards Islam in Normandy.
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/normandy-horror-attack-priests-church-donated-land-to-build-mosque-reveals-down-monk-who-knew-fr-jacques-hamel-34918365.html
    Anyway the title ‘Sheikh’ outside of Saudi is no more important than a courtesy title in the same manner as ‘Sir’ Philip Green or Colonel Tom Parker and Colonel Sanders.

    • IanCad

      Colonel Sanders should be fully respected as to his standing as a commissioned Kentucky Colonel. He is to be referred to as , “The Honorable,” and deservedly so. To lump him in with shysters and showmen is to do a fine gentleman a great disservice.

      • chefofsinners

        He’s fingerlickin’ good.

      • Dreadnaught

        The point being he was not a Colonel in the military like ‘Sir’ Philip was never a Knight in the military sense.

        • IanCad

          True, but he his still accorded the same status and honour as his military brothers..
          As so he should be, having improved immeasurably the diet of his fellow Kentuckians and others throughout the world.

          • Dreadnaught

            As so he should be, having improved immeasurably the diet of his fellow Kentuckians and others throughout the world.
            You have seen the size of the average KFC buying punter – and he should be honoured…. for services to obesity?

          • IanCad

            Heavier folk live longer than the scrawny. They are also far better able to do hard physical work which also contributes to longevity.
            Never believe experts.

    • Eustace

      Yes, that’s why in the circles I turn in your monarch is referred to as Mme Mountbatten.

      Apparently the courtesy of the English doesn’t extend to recognising foreign titles on their own soil. So why should we recognise theirs on ours?

      So how is old duck these days? Still alive? Hasn’t fallen off her gilded perch yet? She’s taking her time about it, isn’t she? Anyone might think she’s scared of what might happen when she’s gone and unrepentant adulterers sit in Cair Paravel enthroned. Will the magical land of Britannarnia be overturned and perish in fire and water?

      Now that would be a convincing display of divine retribution. I might have to scoot to the nearest church and repent of all my sins if that happens. Still, I’m not holding my breath…

      • Inspector General

        Good news about the referendum though…

        • Eustace

          On reflection, yes. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Bye bye Britain, you won’t be missed.

          • Inspector General

            That’s the spirit! Keep an eye on Fritz though…they’ve about a million muslims they want rid of….

          • Eustace

            Yes, I’ve heard May is so desperate to do a deal with Merkel that she’s offered to take them all in. As nobody knows how many immigrants there are in Britain, how will anyone ever find out?

            Look out for suspicious shipping on the Thames estuary in the dead of night. Not every container ship registered in Hamburg transports BMWs you know…

          • Inspector General

            You really have no idea of France’s destiny, do you! Your vanquished country is all set to provide an Islamic homeland in Europe. You see, take the Turks in Germany for example. Instrumental in the rebuilding of Germany after the 39 45 war. Been in Germany for decades, some of them, and have raised families, yet their official status in the country is ‘guest worker’.

            Anyway, just sit back and watch it all happen. It’s not as if you French have any say in what happens to what is effectively the west part of the EU, nothing more….The Fatherland, like The House, ALWAYS wins…

          • Eustace

            Of course, I keep forgetting what a senile old fool you are. You really can’t be blamed.

            Rant away, Colonel Blimp. Alzheimer’s is clearly making reality merge with childhood stories about the murderous Hun.

            So when the Fourth Reich is proclaimed, now that the Channel Tunnel makes Britain uniquely vulnerable to attack, how long do you think you’ll last?

            Merkel will be reigning from Number 10 before you know it. She’ll probably leave the current incumbent in Buckingham Palace though. I mean, a German never does another German an ill turn, does she?

          • Inspector General

            Once the French caliphate is established, it will be as a magnet. There are some VERY muslim types in the UK who would love to live in a country with a similar standard of living (at the moment) and be as proper muslims as the gendarmes stand around and just watch…

          • The Explorer

            Actually, isn’t the main problem with the gendarmes that they aren’t there at the right time? Once they arrive, they’ve had a pretty good record on shooting insurgents dead.

          • Inspector General

            Explorer – meet the muslim gendarmes of tomorrow…

          • Eustace

            We’re in a state of emergency so the police have wide-ranging powers, one of which is the freedom to shoot first and ask questions later. Or not ask questions at all.

            Under normal circumstances I would strongly object to a shoot-to-kill policy, but these are not normal circumstances. Given that the perpetrators of these outrages are disaffected youths used to having rights and being able to get any policeman who touches them sacked, once the shock of realising that they won’t survive an encounter with the counter-terrorism squad sinks in, perhaps they’ll start to think twice before they act.

            No police force can be everywhere all the time. And France is a big country, so there will always be areas that are less protected from the risk of attack. I think the police are doing a good job in extremely difficult circumstances. But if xenophobic Englishmen want to criticise them, let’s see how well your lot do when it’s your turn.

          • The Explorer

            Yes, good analysis. It must indeed be a shock being shot by those you once had the power to sack. The British police don’t have the same problem as the French police because Britain is half the size of France with (but who knows the exact figures?) a slightly larger population. That’s why immigration impacts on the UK rather more than it does on France.

            As I said, the French police have a pretty good record for taking out the perps once they arrive; provided the perps haven’t done themselves in first.

          • The Explorer

            “Merkel will be reigning from Number 10 before you know it.” Isn’t she doing that already? I thought that was one of the reasons for the Brexit vote?

          • Eustace

            Only in the fevered imaginations of delirious English xenophobes. Who knew there were quite so many of them?

            Now who will you blame for all your ills? Who’s the new scapegoat going to be?

            Ah, the English. Foreign bogeymen (or women) are responsible for everything that ever goes wrong, aren’t they? The pickle you find yourselves in couldn’t possibly be your fault, could it? Isn’t that why God created foreigners? So the English would have someone to blame for their own failures and inadequacies?

          • The Explorer

            Although your money will be.

          • Ivan M

            He must be a special advisor to homosexuals. Who else will stand him.

      • Yes, in the circles you turn in there’s plenty of alternative queens bitching about Elizabeth II.

        • Eustace

          And not one of them would make a less convincing display of majesty than the Dayglo sack of spuds that currently occupies the British throne.

          Don’t forget, Camilla’s next up. Whoever said sin doesn’t pay? Adultery gets you tiaras and security details and a consort’s throne.

          Wallis Warfield must be spinning in her unmarked grave, poor woman.

          • How shallow you really are Linus.

          • Eustace

            More mindless abuse from the usual suspect. He really encapsulates all the “love” and “respect” the Catholic Church showers on the LGBT community, doesn’t he?

          • Of course Jack loves you, Linus. He and the Church loves all the afflicted.

      • len

        ‘Turning in circles’ sounds about right..

  • IanCad

    The spirit of Elijah is upon you YG. Can’t help but think of his mocking of the priests of Baal when I read your opening paragraph.
    Great Stuff!!

  • Uncle Brian

    If Pope Francis was “in denial” for his evasive remark about war, peace and religions the day after the brutal murder of an octogenarian priest in a village church in Normandy, Archbishop Welby can only be in double denial for his foolish fawning welcome of an apologist for anti-Christian atrocities.

    • dannybhoy

      Castration means no balls I believe.
      One can stand up and proclaim the truth in love and ask, “If Islam is the religion of peace, why are you condoning murderers? Why are you persecuting my fellow Christians in your country?”
      That’s what needs to be asked.

  • I don’t know which makes me queasier, the sheikh’s vain puff piece or the archbishop’s obsequiousness, and I wouldn’t trust either man. Meanwhile, back in the real world, far removed from Lambeth’s dissembling clerics, an Afghan enters a church in Hamburg and goes on a mini rampage. When asked why, he replies with praiseworthy honesty: ‘Weil ich Moslem bin’, ‘Because I am a Muslim.’

  • chefofsinners

    How doth the little crocodile
    Improve his shining tail
    And pour the waters of the Nile
    On every golden scale!

    How cheerfully he seems to grin
    How neatly spreads his claws
    And welcomes little fishes in
    With gently smiling jaws

  • John

    Archbishop Justin is a peacemaker who knows that there is a risk involved in reaching out but that the potential rewards are worth it. Back in the 1990s someone had the unpalatable job of meeting Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness through gritted teeth. Even the Queen smiles broadly when shaking his hand now. Wasn’t it Abraham Lincoln who said that he defeated his enemies by making them his friends?

    • Eustace

      Christians don’t want new friends. Not the ones who post here at least. They want the Three Rs: Revenge, Retribution, and above all, to be proven Right.

      In the eyes of the Cranmer crowd Welby should be striking these heretic Muslims down with a flaming sword. All talk of reconciliation and joining hands to sing kumbayah is just namby pamby liberalism as far as they’re concerned.

      • chefofsinners

        Dear Eustace
        I would love to join hands with you and sing kumbayah.
        Won’t you be my friend?

        • Uncle Brian

          Will Eustace resist the temptation to plant a luscious kiss on that manly Stalin moustache? Watch this space …

          • Ivan M

            And prance around with a green monkey grinder hat? Sufis can get delirious over such things.

        • Eustace

          Your friend? Such insolence! 17th century kitchen hands really are getting ideas above their station these days, aren’t they?

          Now if you’re looking for employment, I may have just the thing. My housekeeper informs me there’s a pan scourer’s position going in the scullery at the moment. An annual wage of 3 sous and all the piquette you can drink. One Sunday afternoon off every decade and new(ish) straw for your mattress whenever the stables are mucked out.

          What do you say? I’ll give you a day or two to mull it over, but be warned: a coveted place like this won’t stay open for long.

          • Do asylums still employ such people? Inform your warden housekeeper that health providers are required by EU regulation to comply with the working times directive and also to provide mandatory leave.

          • Eustace

            They probably still did have asylums in your day. You seem oddly familiar with how they were run. I wonder why…?

          • Just humouring your delusion. You’re probably due your medication about now so Jack wont keep you. Do you bend over for it?

          • Eustace

            Spoken like a true Catholic. Medication is the only thing keeping you alive, so of course you project that fact onto everyone around you just like you project your idealised image of yourself onto the universe and call it God.

            Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t take medication of any kind. My state of health is so robust, I’ve never needed any.

            So what’s it like being so frail that only the pills and potions they pump into you keep you conscious and breathing?

            I hope the unfortunate care workers charged with looking after your rotting old carcass in whatever maximum security care facility your family has abandoned you in are well-paid for their trouble.

            Pity the poor British taxpayers who have to foot the bill though. I hope my departure doesn’t shrink the NHS budget to the point where DNR notices are pinned to the beds of intractable cases, consent or no consent. If they read your latest contributions to this blog, they may well conclude that all higher brain function has indeed ceased and that it’s time to do the kindest thing. Better cut and paste a few of your more withering posts from several years back when the neurons were still firing under today’s date just to make sure, eh?

          • Touched a sore point, eh?

          • Eustace

            I don’t have any sore points. I’m too young to suffer from bed sores.

            How are yours doing? Do they turn you often enough?

          • chefofsinners

            Fear not. I have understood your thinly disguised cry for cleanliness of the soul. The stains are deeper than I can scrub, but commit yourself to Christ, who is able to make the foulest clean.

          • Eustace

            Such a level of delusion is beyond the reach of reason. But a seed once sown can only grow.

            Careful, it may break ground when you’re munching on your god and a choking incident may ensue. Perhaps your witchdoctor should take training in the Heimlich manoeuvre. He could practice on the altar servers. In fact, he probably already has…

      • The Explorer

        Do Muslims sing Kumbayah? I suppose the words are okay, provided the Lord is thought of as being Allah?

        • magnolia

          No the man is inexact. Plus his three “r” s aren’t three “r” s at all, but two “r” s and a cop out!

        • The song is “Allahu Akbar”. The holding of hands is a tad culturally insensitive as not everyone in Islamic culture still retains them.

      • John

        Justin is not one to sing Kumbayah. I am sure the Archbishop’s wish and prayer is that his guests are converted to the Lord Jesus Christ. Damascus Road conversions do occur, but usually evangelism works best when Christians reach out and talk to people they don’t agree with and who might wish them ill. ‘Love your enemies’ I think it’s called.

      • But Linus, you’re a fully fledged member of the “Cranmer Crowd” yourself now.

        You’re a man of wealth and leisure. Why not cruise to the Gulf in your boat and fly to Saudi in your Chopper for diplomatic talks with the Sheik on behalf of all queer folk? Jack is sure you’ll receive a warm reception and before too long you’ll be singing “Allahu Akbar” whilst doing a jig as you dangle from a rope. Try not to loose your head.

        • Eustace

          I have a better idea. I’ll cruise on down to Civitavecchia and visit Rome shall I? I may take a group of friends with me. One of them knows a Swiss Guard, who knows a bishop, who has keys to the Sistine Chapel.

          It won’t be me dangling from a rope.

          • No, no, no. The West needs a man of charm and style to be an emissary to Islam. A person of eloquence and delicacy. We couldn’t find one, so had to settle for on you. After all, queer living is the height of our culture and the fundamentalists need to understand our thinking. You’ll just be wasted among the gaystapo of Rome. Saudi Arabia needs you. Islam needs you. Cranmer will survive without you.

          • Eustace

            Go sort out your own mess. I’m quite happy to leave the Arab world to fester on its own. The chances of them blowing me up or shooting me are slim to none and I have no progeny to worry about. But you do. So why aren’t you doing something about it? It might be your grandchildren’s turn next.

            You’re just a typical straight bigot who thinks other people exist to serve his needs, aren’t you? Deal with this one yourself. On behalf of that Church of yours that made them hate us in the first place with its murderous Crusades.

    • len

      Always a good idea to count ones fingers after shaking hands with the enemy….

    • Yes that’s fine if they take on board what you are saying, but this lot have no intention of. I rather think they are gleaning more info from Justin than they are imparting as well as casing the joint!
      They shouldn’t be allowed into the country never mind Lambeth Palace.

    • Islamism is somewhat different to the IRA.

      • Martin

        HJ

        Not really, both are the desire for power over others.

        • Old Nick

          What coded words of warning do the Islamicist terrorists use when they telephone the police to warn them that they are about to commit an atrocity ?

          • Martin

            Nick

            I don’t think they are sophisticated enough to have realised that a threat is all that is required.

          • Old Nick

            But do they have the decency to tell the police where and when they propose to strike – as the IRA did.

          • Martin

            Nick

            Why would you think it is ‘decency’?

          • Old Nick

            Because it gives the police time to move people out of the way, warn the fire brigade and so forth ?

          • Martin

            Nick

            Which pretty much has the same effect as a bomb. Of course they were sufficiently vague about location and timing so that actually clearing the area was next to impossible, and it put police officers at risk.

          • Old Nick

            Nor kind enough to warn those whom they are about to strike at – as the IRA did.

    • dannybhoy

      We didn’t defeat Hitler by making him our friend, my friend. An individual may risk his life attempting to make his enemy his friend, but he has no right to risk everyone else’s life.
      Sometimes we have to recognise that evil is really evil.

    • Martin

      John

      If Justin were a peacemaker he’d be telling his visitors of the Saviour.

  • len

    Whoever invoked the spirit of Linus/Eustace?.Hell of a job to get him back in his box now?.

    • sarky

      I lit a black candle and did a little dance. Didn’t think it would work though.

      • The Explorer

        Have you tried sticking pins in an effigy of the Inspector?

        • Jack has currently placed said effigy in a bowl of Holy Water from Lourdes. After some initial sizzling from the water as it boiled, all is quiet. Jack will keep you appraised of developments.

          • sarky

            I stuck pins in mine and it leaked pure scotch!!

    • It’ll be the full Satanic Mass taking place in Orlando today with it’s obscene and blasphemous rituals. Permission was given for it to take place on civic property to avoid a legal challenge on freedom of speech grounds. Strange world.

      To think, Linus is an ex-Catholic. Gone over to the Dark Side and is embracing greed, lust and self love. Still, we won’t give up just yet. Catholics never do. While he’s still here we can try to burst his inflated ego with mockery and do what we can to reacquaint him with his true self before it’s entirely obliterated.

      • CliveM

        As far as Linus is concerned I’m a Calvenist.

        • Martin

          Clive

          ‘Calvinist’

          • CliveM

            Oops will amend.

      • Martin

        HJ

        Every Mass is satanic.

  • ‘“Great to welcome Herod Antipas to the Cenacle on Mount Zion today,” tweeted Jesus, just after the Tetrarch of Galilee has ordered the decapitation of the notorious hate-preacher John the Baptist…’

    Actually, this is what Jesus tweeted – “Go tell that fox that I will keep on casting out demons and healing people today and tomorrow; and the third day I will accomplish my purpose.” (Luke 13:32 NLT)

  • We look forward to seeing Asia Bibi released then YG.

    • IanCad

      Don’t hold your breath Marie.

  • Dreadnaught

    Please don’t feed the TROLL.

    • Carl Jacobs hasn’t been around for a few days.

      • sarky

        I reckon he’s a survivalist. Hes probably in a forest somewhere burying cans of tuna.

      • carl jacobs

        I’m hurt, Jack …

        • Who said that?

        • Just been watching “Moneyball”. Good movie. There may be something in this American game after all. Is it an accurate portrayal?

          • carl jacobs

            I’ve never seen it.

          • Uncle Brian

            Carl, do you have any information and/or views about Erdogan’s demand for the U.S. to extradite Fethullah Gulen?

          • carl jacobs

            As a general rule, I think that this kind of accusation is too convenient by half. It seems a way to discredit a political opponent. I suspect he had nothing to do with the coup. But this is all just my supposition.

          • This is a good in-depth interview with Christoph Germann on the Turkish coup events and analysis from the beginning.

            https://www.patreon.com/porkinsgreatgame

          • Uncle Brian

            Thank you, Marie. Unfortunately my hearing isn’t good enough to follow the whole thing in detail. Do you happen to know whether there’s a transcript anywhere online? I’ve done a bit of googling but didn’t find anything.

          • UB, I too could not find a transcript for the episode. There are show notes here:
            https://porkinspolicyreview.com/2016/07/21/porkins-great-game-episode-15-turkey-coup-special/

          • It’s good. Worth a watch. About the Oakland Athletics baseball team’s 2002 season and their general manager Billy Beane.

          • carl jacobs

            The movie you should watch, Jack, is “Field of Dreams.”

            Update: Yes, it’s a Kevin Costner movie. Just look past that otherwise salient fact.

          • Got it in my DVD collection. Very complex and multi-layered. Jack wouldn’t thought it your sort of film.

  • Is there a hot-line between Lambeth Palace and the Vatican? It would seem our Archbishop and the Bishop of Rome are in cahoots and coordinating press releases and public messages.

    First, the war is not of a religious nature because all religions want peace. Never mind that one particular religion is seeking the peace that comes from exterminating all infidels. Now, there’s an embrace with those who encourage killing in the name of their religion. What next? Shared services and theological rapprochement wherein we accept Jesus was a prophet who faked his death and resurrection? There’s only one God and many broad paths lead to his door, which, by the way, is wide.

    Could Len and his co-conspiracy theorists actually be correct? Is there a dastardly plot afoot between the Masons, Islam and the Church of Rome to unite and prepare the way for the Son of Perdition? Has the Church of England joined this new “axis of evil”?

    • len

      Many a true word spoken in jest Jack

  • In his homily during a Mass for the repose of the soul of martyred French priest Fr.
    Jacques Hamel, Archbishop of Sydney, Anthony Fisher, said:

    “We cannot ignore the fact that it is also a targeted attack on our Christian faith. The two terrorists meant to go into a Catholic church. They meant to kill a priest of Jesus Christ. They meant to take nuns and faithful laity as hostages. They
    were not just looking for any old building with any old people inside.”

    The Archbishop added:

    “And the terrorists underlined the meaning of their act by engaging in a ritual sacrifice of the priest before the altar and a mock homily. So their act was not just murder but also sacrilege, desecration, blasphemy. Their motive was not just revenge for the policies of the secular French government, but hatred for the Church and its priests and religious and faithful, even when they are demonstrably friends of Muslims, as Fr Jacques was.”

    • I’d definitely be stepping up security at Lambeth Palace then.

  • Royinsouthwest

    The Archbishop should not have one message for the British public and a completely different one for his Islamist visitor even though that would be preferable to him giving the American message to the Islamist that he did to the public.

    The Hone Office is also two-faced and more likely to ban a critic of Islam than an Islanist.

  • Dreadnaught

    Meanwhile in Poland …

    …’defend the Cross, not the Crescent’…

    Professor Krystyna Pawłowicz, a Polish parliamentarian from the ruling PiS (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość, or Law and Justice) party and one of the more prominent eurosceptic voices in the Polish parliament, has lead the chorus of disapproval against the failed German and EU immigration policy …

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/30/polish-mp-germans-going-great-lengths-cover-crimes-arab-guests/

  • Inspector General

    “Oh Lord. We ask of you that you keep our errant brother Eustace clean from diseases of the flesh, and that he be shown the true way, which rules out anal.

    Amen”

  • Francis gave a half-hour press conference aboard the papal flight returning to Rome after his visit to Poland for World Youth Day.

    Asked why he chooses to not call terrorist violence committed by those aligned with the so-called Islamic State “Islamic terrorism.”

    “I do not like to speak of Islamic violence, because everyday when you read the newspapers you see violence,” Francis responded on the latter subject, explaining that in Italy you often can read of men who kill their fiancés or their mother-in-laws. “These are baptized Catholics. They are violent Catholics. If I speak of Islamic violence, I have to speak of Catholic violence. Not all Muslims are violent. Not all Catholics are violent. It is like a macedonia [fruit salad]. One thing is true: I believe that in nearly all religions, there is always a small fundamentalist group. We [Catholics] have it … This is a small fundamentalist group that is called ISIS. You cannot say — I believe it is not true and it is not just — that Islam is terroristic.”

    The pope then said he wanted to add something he did not know whether or not he should say ” … because it is a bit dangerous. Terrorism grows when there is not another option, and while at the center of the global economic system there is the God of money and not the person, man and woman. This is the first terrorism. You have chased away the miracle of creation, man and woman, and you have put in its place money. This is a base-level terrorism against all humanity. Let’s think about it.”

    • He’s confused. The Catholic religion does not advocate that one does violent acts, there maybe violent Catholic people in themselves, whereas Islam does advocate violence and killing even though there are some followers who are not violent in themselves.

      • dannybhoy

        There are Muslims that interpret the call to jihad as a call to personal spiritual warfare or a form of sanctification.
        They can interpret it this way, but the clear meaning of those texts referring to jihad is to war against the enemies of Islam who are the unbelievers; the Jews, the Christians and all followers other world faiths.
        That is the history of the establishment of Islam. That many or rather most, Muslims do not engage in the violent promotion of the faith is more to do with pragmatism and a desire to live a decent comfortable life, than religious zeal.

        • Anton

          The verses about jihad mostly refer to qatala in the same breath, which means fighting with intent to kill.

  • Babe Ruth;
    Hank Aaron; and
    Barry Bonds 😄

    Manchester United’s record of Premiership titles is certainly one Jack is attached to. It will increase to 21 next season.

    • carl jacobs

      Barry Bonds doesn’t count.

      • Lol ….

        • carl jacobs

          Steroid cheater. He dishonored the most sacred record in baseball. He should be expunged.

          • Was that ever proven? So, if it were expunged, would one revert to Roger Maris’s record of 61 home runs in a season or does Mark McGwire’s record of 70 home runs still stand?

  • len

    Islam has no saviour only a dead prophet. Therefore Islam cannot change it is locked in time.Islam promoted death, glorifies in death within its own ranks and upon everything it touches.
    Biblical Christianity is a religion which promotes life, Biblical Christianity is a living vibrant relationship with the Creator of the Universe.
    It offends me to see a man promoted to a ‘god like’status carrying a pole with a dead Christ on it like some sort of ‘trophy’then performing dead rituals before an adoring crowd.What God Himself thinks of this performance I would hate to hazard a guess?.
    Christ is alive and all He touches is filled with His Life and His Love.Do not settle for dead religions when Christ offers so much more!.

    • James M

      Any religion – including Christianity – can sound like unmitigated piffle if it is described in a reductionist manner. BCP Mattins can be made to sound asinine, if its externals are described in that manner by a hostile witness. As can NT Christianity – such reductionist sneering is not uncommon on YTube. Such an attitude doesn’t encourage understanding or good will, and it seems rather less than gracious.

  • Johnzh

    It’s good to see that our beloved Anglican leader is setting himself forth as a beacon of light (2 Cor 11:13-14) and inter faith co-operation (2 Cor 6:15).

    Our own local Dean in Salisbury is following her leader with dutiful abandon, this is what she said to the local rag recently in earnest expectation of being involved in the launch of Salisbury’s first LGBT+ Pride March last Saturday.

    The Dean of Salisbury, The Very Reverend June Osborne, is going to bless the start of the parade before it sets off.

    She says she was “absolutely delighted” to be asked to bless the parade, adding that it is a “big moment for Salisbury”.

    “It is really great, I am very enthusiastic about events within the city that show the diversity of civic life.”

    She hopes the evening will be “joyous and celebratory”.

    “It really fits with the fact that the city is custodians of the Magna Carta which was about liberties and freedoms,” she added.

    “I hope we do it every year.”

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

  • IrishNeanderthal

    An appalling example of ignorance:

    I was looking at a YouTube How To Tell Chinese, Koreans and Japanese Apart

    And among the best rated comments was one by

    JanetStarChild

    I feel this is the same thing with Mediterraneans. Who here can tell the difference between Greeks, Italians, Turks and Hispanics (Spanish/Portuguese) just by looking at them?

    * * *
    Then followed some back-and-forth among the replies, and at the bottom:

    JanetStarChild

    The same thing with the Iberian Peninsula.
    It was Muslim way before Christians invaded and took over. There is still quite a bit of Arabic influence in Spain and Portugal culture. You can even see it in the people.

    She has not yet repsonded to the question:

    Then what were they before the Muslim armies invaded in 711?

    • Uncle Brian

      In connection with Chinese and Japanese, the old answer (c. 1960) used to be, “A Japanese has a camera slung round his neck.”

    • James M

      There were Muslims in what became Spain when the Visigoths invaded it in 410 or so ? Reccared was the last Arian Visigoth king in Spain, and the first Catholic king. Spain remained Catholic under his successors until the invasion in 711. So where are these pre-Visigoth Muslims ?

  • Anton

    A naive and foolish tweet which does not reflect well on its originator.

  • mollysdad

    Great to welcome this disgusting Molech-worshipping idolater and blasphemer.

  • James M

    I thought Sufis, at least, were innocuous. Unlike Wahhabis.