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Ukip would be safe, safer and safest with Suzanne Evans as leader

Ukip is about to choose a(nother) new leader. Will it be Suzanne Evans or Paul Nuttall? That’s the choice (we can safely discount John Rees-Evans for.. all.. sorts.. of.. reasons..). If the membership gets it right, the party might just rediscover a political purpose. Should they get it wrong, Ukip is toast. Yesterday’s toast, too. After Steven Woolfe’s swipe that the party is in a ‘death spiral‘ (which, let’s face it, is true); and with Nigel Farage rumoured to be knocking at Theresa May’s door, supplicating for a process of re-Toryisation and elevation to the Peerage for services to Independence Day UK (and, of course, to ousting David Cameron), Ukip is a party not only in search of a safe leader but in search of a secure political purpose. Sweeping up disaffected Labour supporters for no particular end is not any kind of dream for very much at all.

Far be it for one who inclines toward a Tory view of the world to interfere in the leadership traumas of a competitor party, but democracy suffers when opposition parties are led by donkeys. It suffers even more when they are led by asses who are very good at making nice speeches but doing absolutely nothing about the pressing matters of the day. Political history is littered with politicians who become footnotes, or footnotes to footnotes. Shouting ‘Look at me!’ doesn’t make one known; it makes people ask ‘Who’s that prat?’. And politics attracts an awful lot of prats, for some reason. In the tussles and gripes of shifting power, vaulting ambition and conviction representation, it’s not enough to hope and pray you’ll win the ballot to present a private member’s bill to ban out-of-date crisps. Without a vision, people perish, politics atrophies and Hansard is boring.

Ukip needs a leader who grasps the political imperatives and the grievances du jour and is prepared to articulate them cogently – not just for public-service applause, but for a programme of thoughtful, responsible action for the common good. Suzanne Evans understands the ‘common bad’ of community division; that there are some problems which tolerance cannot handle. She understands community ethos, interdependence, fraternity, participation and neighbourly security. You may demur at her prescription for cohesion, but you cannot fault her instincts for reconciliation.

Ukip needs a leader who is theologically and religiously literate. Suzanne Evans has a degree in Religious Studies which, for some, would be a qualification in irrelevance. But we live in a growing global web of interaction where religion is a thread which increasingly transcends national boundaries –for good and ill. Islamism is at our door: it even sleeps amongst us. We are losing our ancient Christian liberties because ‘extremists’ are now all those for whom faith in God is more important than the rule of law. Most politicians focus on important matters of trade, finance, mass communications, the environment, poverty, education, health… Suzanne Evans can look at all these affairs through the inescapable lens of religion and the interaction of cultures. We won’t attain the good life or win freedom until we grasp the origins of goodness and the meaning of that freedom. It is useful to have politicians who understand the imperative of self-determination and the triumph of human liberty.

Ukip needs a leader with charisma, intelligence, eloquence and considerable media experience; one who is able to speak to the whole country. It’s not enough to have a parochial appeal ‘to the North’, as though Labour’s disaffected supporters can offer a viable path to anywhere soon. They may be good people, with sound moral instincts and laudable dreams of patriotic purpose, but it is a shallow vision which preys on anti-Corbyn cynicism rather than inspiring for a common endeavour of goodness. The needs and goals which enhance human relationship are the ones which Suzanne Evans seeks to prioritise. What are they? Well, we could be trite and convenient, but the depth of apprehension is in the mind of the woman. She grasps that many of the goods and bads of life arise within different forms of human interconnection. You may seek a simple normative framework: real life is messy, and people are complicated.

Ukip needs a leader who understands the party’s dark side and where its poisonous culture needs to change. Suzanne Evans has been laughed at, sneered at, sidelined, ignored, misrepresented and suspended by individuals in her own party, but still she soldiers on for the cause of freedom. There’s loyalty for you. And there’s conviction and determination. You want steel? Look into her eyes. After being hurt, most people become angry or they flounce out of wherever. Politicians do it in the hope of making a newspaper headline. A few will redirect their exasperation and refocus their energies to become a moral force for good. Suzanne Evans understands the nature of evil and confronts it.

Ukip needs a leader who embraces ethical strategy and political diplomacy for social progress (which some might term regress). There’s no point hankering after ‘the good old days’: society changes and the world moves on. Suzanne Evans is an agent of change. If Ukip is to rise above its intense internal conflicts and imminent political irrelevance, it needs a leader who can provide the opportunity to reconsider the new context in the perspectives of inherited traditions and a changing public theology. Suzanne Evans wants to move Ukip beyond solitary confinement and fringe politicking to consider wider judgments of social practices and political institutions for the shared common good. For her, that means freedom from tyranny, oppression and poverty: it means a revitalisation of democracy, freedom for captives and the flourishing of humanity. She wants to secure freedom, sustain freedom and propagate freedom, understanding fully that human freedom is never a solitary possession but one of communal give-and-take. This is a bold vision, and it is good. You might even call it ‘Christian’.

  • Anton

    Until Brexit is actually enacted, and in view of the delays/dirty tricks, UKIP needs Nigel Farage in charge.

    After that, UKIP needs someone who believes in small government.

    • Don Benson

      Yes, UKIP is essentially a single-interest party which will not have achieved that goal until we are safely and irretrievably out of the EU. We are in for a vicious battle over this because pro EU elitists will see it as a fight to the death for their position of power over ordinary people. UKIP will continue to have a major role in stiffening the backbone of all Brexiteers; Nigel Farage was given the vote for which he campaigned, he now owes us voters the gift of his stature and influence within UKIP and to stay on until the job is fully complete. Thereafter will be the time to consider UKIP’s role in politics for the future.

      • Anton

        Nigel Farage owes us nothing; we owe him a great deal. I am simply hoping that he stays on until we are out, as he is the man whose influence atop UKIP is most likely to ensure that it actually happens.

        Angela Merkel says Britain might have to keep paying the EU until 2030. What part of “Brexit” does this disastrous woman not understand?

        • Politically__Incorrect

          She’s assuming the EU will last that long.

          • Anton

            She is wrecking German industry with the energiewende that makes electricity virtually unaffordable due to green nonsense, she has just let one million Muslims into Germany, she plays a central role in the Eurocurrency policy which is causing 50% youth unemployment around the Med (although neither side comes out of that looking good), and she says good relations with President-elect Trump will depend in part on his attitude to LGBT while Putin harbors expansionist ambitions. The woman is a catastrophe.

        • len

          The EU is collapsing and wants British cash to prop it up.

        • Hopefully she’ll be gone in September 2017’s elections, and hopefully the German people will give AfD a chance.

      • chefofsinners

        UKIP is looking like a rabble without a cause.
        Corbyn is the natural option for the disaffected left, and Dave’s demise is bringing right leaners back into the Tory fold.
        UKIP needs to work out what else it stands for, PDQ, otherwise it will be about as relevant as the suffragettes.

        • Sean_OHare

          Errm, didn’t the suffragettes achieve their purpose?

          • chefofsinners

            Exactly so. And since their purpose is now achieved, they are irrelevant to modern politics. So shall it be for UKIP unless they find a new cause.

        • bluedog

          Even the Guardian opposes Corbyn.

          • chefofsinners

            Of course – The Guardian is the voice of left wing lite. It is Ed Milliband and Chukku Umunna, Bremainers and virtue signallers. Corbyn is your genuine socialist.

  • wiggiatlarge .

    Evans whilst capable in many areas is a centrist and a Carswell supporter, UKIP supporters don’t want another middle of the road party to be formed or a Tory lite one, so Evans is a dubious candidate.

    • Inspector General

      Not at all. We have witnessed the derision Farage underwent, much of it from the BBC. Let’s see the same crowd do the same to a woman. You know the type of people, always whining about women not being in charge. Rather a quandary for them, they’ll have to lose their sting…

      • Anton

        Didn’t stop them going after Thatcher, although she gave as good as she got.

      • Andrew Price

        Nigel Farage made a special appearance on the Peston on Sunday show 3 weeks ago I think to say publicly how unsuitable Suzanne is to be the leader.It is clear who Nigel is supporting and itsn’t her nor Paul Nuttall but rather John Rees-Evans. Mark my words where ever John ends up in the race . he will be above Suzanne.

  • Inspector General

    Excellent idea. It will bring more ladies into the fold.

  • Politically__Incorrect

    As recent political events indicate, there is a need in this country for a political party which is free from the toxic culture of political correctness while retaining a vision of a democratic society that is not under the spell of elites in the political and media spheres. It would be tragic if UKIP were to miss this opportunity to challenge the forces of cultural tyranny. As a party member I will be casting my vote for the leadership very soon. Thank you Cranmer for this thoughtful and considered article which will help me to make my decision.

  • S.A

    I’m a UKIP member and I agree Suzanne Evans has a lot of leadership qualities. Her 2015 manifesto played a big part in convincing me to sign up to the party. Two years ago I would have voted for her. I have had concerns though ever since she signed a public petition against one of UKIP’s candidates who she has repeatedly called homophobic. I have read the original article by Alan Craig and I cannot see anything homophobic about it. Alan Craig holds to the traditional Christian position in the article albeit using dramatic language. Evans has repeatedly portrayed his comments as directed against gay people generally rather than certain gay activist groups (disappointing for someone who has studied religion). One of the main things I liked about UKIP was it’s determination to raise issues and not to buy into politically correct speech. Evans, by her stance here, is supporting the identification of traditional Christian belief with homophobia, which trivialises real homophobia. For this reason I cannot support her leadership bid despite her other good qualities.

    • Andrew Price

      Actually it was a fellow by the name of Mark Quinlin (pardon me if I have spelt his name incorrectly) who did most of the work , although it is perfectly true Suzanne oversaw the manifesto. She ha improperly got most of the credit. Suzanne is a vicious and disloyal person and her liberal agenda would be the end of UKIP. That is one of the reasons why I am so strongly supporting John Rees-Evans. If anyone wishes to question my strong condemnation of her , then google ‘Michael Crick -Suzanne Evans – Nigel Farage wife beating’.

      • S.A

        I didn’t know that. Shame he hasn’t had much of the credit if he did most of the work. It seems the Archbishop has perhaps underestimated the support for Rees Evans judging by the support he’s getting on here and other sites. I did like the fact Rees Evans stood up for Alan Craig on the LBC debate and I found myself agreeing with his vision for UKIP. i sent off my vote for him this morning.

  • len

    Nigel Farage is’ a one off’ and replacing him seems to be almost impossible…Let’ the leaders’ keep coming until a suitable replacement is found, one that has ‘what it takes’ to enter the fray.

  • Jill

    ‘Fraid I would never trust her after she stabbed Alan Craig in the back at the behest of gay activists.

    http://www.alansangle.com/?p=2213

    • Anton

      She did? I’ve met Alan Craig, a fine man. I could not support UKIP if she led it.

      • Dominic Stockford

        A top bloke, Alan.

      • Jill

        Read the link in my post above, Anton. I agree about Alan, who almost single-handedly prevented the planned mega-mosque in East London when he was a local councillor.

        • Anton

          I trust Alan Craig and I did read it.

    • Mike

      If she is such a saint she will get reconciled with Alan Craig. He has reached out to her several times and she has not responded.

  • I think HG makes some very good points here.

  • Dominic Stockford

    What has the able Paul Nuttall done to upset the ABC?

  • Inspector General

    Strewth! She can’t be a supporter of state sponsored militant buggery, can she? What is she doing in UKIP then!

    “UKIP – The only decent party out there. A brand you can trust!” says the Inspector.

    Perhaps she was dazzled by Pink News’ headlights. That could happen, you know. The first time. Unless you track them, you don’t realise the whole shocker is run by and commented by around fifty permanent malcontents and psychotics.

    So, after Cranmer’s tribute to her, well, because of it in fact, the Inspector suggests it’s too early to tow her to the breakers yard. But we will need reassurance. Let her come on here, or communicate directly with Cranmer, as to what she now thinks of rabid militant homosexuality. Cake and all…

    • Oisín mac Fionn

      “…you don’t realise the whole shocker is run by and commented by around fifty permanent malcontents and psychotics.”

      Unlike this blog, which is run and commented by about twenty permanent Digusteds of Tunbridge Wells and sociopaths.

      • Inspector General

        Hey, they’ve always got room for one more admirer on Pink News. You’ll enjoy the Christophobia, which is not at all anti religious bigotry, and it’s daily!

  • chiaramonti

    This is the woman who thought that we should have an independent judiciary but subject to control – by the likes of her presumably? Ideally suited for leader of such an organisation!

  • David

    Well Cranmer seems to be “slightly” in favour of Suzanne Evans then ?

    Nigel Farage is an unique, once in a generation sort of leader, and therefore replacing him, is of course impossible. The country owes him a huge debt of gratitude of course, although I can’t see our present Brit. hating political establishment even recognising, yet alone repaying, that debt. But many of the people love him. Undoubtedly history will recognise him as a remarkably brave and prescient political achiever. Now back to the present.

    As a Ukip member I would never vote for Suzanne Evans. I may leave the party if she wins the election, although tactically, not until the full BREXIT is achieved. Yes she has leadership qualities, but she wants to turn Ukip into yet another establishment party, which would rob of it of its purpose and role, effectively emasculating it. Moreover the final straw for me was when she stabbed that fine Christian campaigner Alan Craig in the back, simply for upholding orthodox Christian teaching regarding human sexuality. Yes she wants Ukip to merge into the respectability of the middle ground, which of course is simply not its role, at least not with the country faced by so many huge problems, all largely ignored by an establishment that is responsible for creating most of them. I have the feeling that supporters of other parties might favour Evans, precisely because by taking Ukip to the respectable middle ground, she would remove Ukip’s threat to their own parties, especially that to the Conservative Party I note !

    Paul Nuttall would make a splendid deputy leader, again, specialising in rousing the patriotic northern vote. With the Boy Leader Comrade Corbyn in charge of Labour, the north should provide ready political killing fields ! Certainly he could grow the party and give it a reasonable standard of leadership, but I am not sufficiently convinced to vote for him.

    My vote has already been cast for that upstanding patriotic outsider John Rees-Evans. Yes he has some eccentric ways, but when did that ever put off a true Englishman from supporting someone ? Many of our finest leaders have been slightly eccentric, Churchill and Field Marshall Montgomery included. He has international global experience as an entrepreneur, is pro-Christian and fiercely supports freedom of speech and freedom generally as the noble concept that it is. Yes the administrative cabal at the centre of Ukip dislikes him, because they know that, if he wins, he would have the courage to reshape the inadequate structures and constitution that Ukip labours under. And ah yes, His Grace’s link takes us to a Guardian article that criticises him in its usual trivial way, but surely that provides ancillary evidence, pointing in his favour I’d say !

    Who I think will win ? Paul Nuttall, and probably by a long distance. But even if my vote for John Rees-Evans does not contribute to him winning, I hope that it helps to bring him in from the cold, into the Ukip’s inner leadership circle; where he can help with reforming the party’s administrative machinery, as well as sounding a confident, high moral note for freedom, and the defence of our historic British values, mainly rooted in Christianity.

    But, going slightly off course now, don’t forget the Farage factor – although he has done with wanting to lead Ukip, he is capable of puling further surprises, especially if backed financially by the entrepreneurial Aaron Banks.

    The future looks better – the future looks Brexit !

    • Royinsouthwest

      My vote has already been cast for that upstanding patriotic outsider John Rees-Evans. Yes he has some eccentric ways, but when did that ever put off a true Englishman from supporting someone ? Many of our finest leaders have been slightly eccentric, Churchill and Field Marshall Montgomery included.

      You don’t have to be English to be eccentric. I don’t know where John Rees-Evans was born but his name is not English but Welsh and, according to Wikipedia, he lives in Penrhiwceiber, a village in the Cynon Valley in South Wales. Montgomery was born in England but his parents were Irish and he was brought up in Australia.

      • David

        “You don’t have to be English to be eccentric”.
        It’s a fair cop ‘guv !

        But can you pronounce “Penrhiwceber” as well as I can ?
        I know the place as, although English myself, I was brought up not far away from it.

        • Royinsouthwest

          Yes, I can pronounce it and I know the Cynon Valley. Rwy’n siarad Cymraeg!

          • David

            Excellent !
            Cymru am byth !

  • Royinsouthwest

    With all her theological expertise I wonder what Suzanne Evans would think of the Remembrance Day sermon by the Rev Rachel Webbley?

    Vicar Angers Veterans after Preaching on Trump and Brexit at Remembrance Service
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/18/veterans-walk-vicar-preaches-trump-brexit-remembrance-service/

    Angry veterans walked out after a vicar used a Remembrance Day service to preach about Donald Trump and Brexit.

    Servicemen reportedly left the service in Whitstable, Kent in disgust when the Rev Rachel Webbley side-lined the sacrifice of fallen soldiers in favour of preaching on the election results. She also said that climate change is the biggest threat to world peace today.

    Veteran Terry Marsh, 72, who was present at the service, told Kent Online: “This was a service to remember the Fallen. Whatever you think of Brexit, we were there to pay our respects – it wasn’t the time or the place for it.

    “When it went from Brexit to Donald Trump, I couldn’t believe it. I thought, when is this going to end?”

    The Rev Webbley said in her sermon that Brexit and Trump had divided British and American society, and called for sides to come together to fight the apparently much bigger threat of global warming.

    • Inspector General

      This true this. Had the Inspector been present, he would have walked to the woman and shouted “How dare you!”. One has done similar before…

      • Anton

        Better to start singing a traditional hymn so as to get other people to join the protest easily. I hope I’d have done so.

        • Royinsouthwest

          I would recommend Who would true valour see by John Bunyan.

          • IanCad

            “Power In The Blood” would get their attention.

      • IanCad

        As one who boldly frequents the passages of Pink News. I do Inspector, believe you to have the courage to do just that.

    • Dreadnaught

      As Rene Artios would have said…’You stupid woman’!

    • IanCad

      Why do so many vicaressess sport such mannish looks?

      • Anton

        Google the survey some years ago by (Rev Prof) Leslie Francis showing that female Anglican ordinands typically have masculine personality traits, and male ones have female traits.

        • Pubcrawler

          Reminds me of this old Private Eye cover:

          http://i.ebayimg.com/images/a/(KGrHqV,!o0FCyM2c!LcBQ5d5leN3!~~/s-l300.jpg

          (The speech bubble, sadly unreadable here, says “Who needs women priests when you’ve got us?”)

          • IanCad

            You must have a powerful memory Crawly. That was many years ago. Do you eat particularly large quantities of fish, broccoli, avocadoes, etc? And then do you fill the remaining spaces with dark chocolate? Or, is it just down to the beer?

          • Pubcrawler

            I do have a pretty good memory — for things long ago, at least.

            That particular cover amused me greatly at the time, and subsequent encounters with various clerics have ensured that it has never been far from my mind.

      • David

        I’ve asked myself that one many times.
        Are they subconsciously trying to look like men ?

      • Pubcrawler

        So that, when they are fully vested, those who are uncertain as to the legitimacy of their orders are reassured.

        But not all do: I have known (in a non-Biblical way) a small few who are decidedly glamorous and feminine.

      • Sarky

        To balance out the effeminate vicars!

    • Women don’t make good clergy. This is why God chose men for this job.

      • Andym

        Yes they do – and you’ve 30 minutes to get to our 8.00 BCP service to hear a fine sermon preached by my wife!

        • Is she on You Tube?

          • Andym

            Apols for delayed reply – I believe so, but can’t locate at the moment

          • What’s her name and I’ll look her up.

  • Dreadnaught

    What a pity Stephen Woolfe made such an arse of himself. He would have been my choice to lead UKIP; telegenic, competent in debate and an untapped talent. What a waste.

  • Cullerchris

    Suzanne is really a Tory of sorts and we’ve already got a Tory party. The real prize is the replacement of Labour with a party who most of us could vote for. And for that we need Paul Nuttall as leader.

    • Andrew Price

      Well nothing would beat Suzanne’s disloyalty to Nigel , but Paul Nuttall is not that far behind. The only Faragist candidate is John Rees-Evans and members all over the country are flocking to him. He will certainly beat Suzanne . and if Nuttall wins it is only because he is better well known and members are ignorant of the scale of his disloyalty and his plan to shove Nigel and his legacy aside.

      • It might be a dirty tricks campaign or it might not be, for Paul Nuttall to demand that Nigel step down from his position as head of the EFDD group in Strasbourg that he set up.
        If it is true then Nuttall doesn’t deserve to be elected as leader.

        • Andrew Price

          Exactly when asked about the leadership of the EFDD , Nuttall is evasive. Read Nigel’s last section of his statement in the magazine. In a subtle way it speaks volumes. The only Faragist is JRE.

          • Cullerchris

            I too am an admirer of Nigel and, as a right wing Tory, would prefer him as leader. But we are faced with an anti-British Labour party hell bent on the destruction of Britain as a nation state and a people. The priority must be the defeat of Labour in the North and Midlands which would finish them. Labour won’t elect idiots as leaders forever. While they have another clown in charge they are vulnerable to replacement by UKIP. And, like him or not, Paul Nuttall offers the best chance of achieving that goal.

          • Andrew Price

            Paul Nuttall wishes to repudiate Nigel Farage.Paul has made it clear he will appoint Suzanne as his deputy , both are driven to follow the media agenda. You are so wrong , the Paul-Suzanne ticket will spell the end of UKIP.

  • CliveM

    If we’re honest, UKIP is busted. It’s a party desperately trying to come up with a reason for being. Can’t seem to keep hold of a leader. The internal fault lines are badly exposed, It’s hard to see It surviving.

    • Mike Stallard

      The question is no longer “Shall we leave the EU?” It has changed, thanks largely to Mr Farage, into “How can we leave the EU without ruining our fragile economy?” Ukip has not got an answer to this.

      • BobH2003

        Ukip has far more answers than the globalist elite Tories who are still franticly trying to keep us in the EU.
        This country desperately needs a General Election so that we can toss out the traitorous Tory and Labour and Libdem planks who voted Remain.
        Ukip is the only party which has stayed true to its promises and will ensure that we leave the EU good and proper.
        As for your fear of ruining the economy, that’s just timidity talking.

        • Mike Stallard

          I do hope that Ukip gets its act together fairly soon and reads Dr North’s blog carefully.
          eureferendum.com

      • CliveM

        Pretty much the whole worlds economy is fragile.

  • Andrew Price

    The candidate who Nigel Farage is voting for is John Rees-Evans . that ought to guide any right thinking member of UKIP to do likewise.

    • David

      Really !
      I honestly didn’t know that.
      You’ve confirmed my choice then – so many thanks.

  • IanCad

    Theresa May, Nicola Sturgeon. Dodged a bullet with Angela Eagle; now we have the prospect of Suzanne Evans. What’s up with the manhood of our land? Is some nefarious group putting bromide in the water?
    We have our own well – wife still runs the show though.

    • chefofsinners

      Wives have always run the show. In the old days they used to let men think they were in charge.

  • chefofsinners

    Cranmer is, as he says, a Conservative. No surprise then that he’s making a bit of mischief for UKIP. Next week: why Keith Vaz should be leader of the Scottish Nationalists.

    • David

      Quite !
      You’ve rumbled Old Cranny too !
      Cranmer’s OTT support for Ukip’s “non-ukip” leadership candidate was hardly subtle was it ?

      • Inspector General

        David, are you implying….

        • David

          I am Inspector.
          Shocking isn’t it ?
          Who’d have thought ? And of Cranny too ?

  • dannybhoy

    “We are losing our ancient Christian liberties because ‘extremists’ are now all those for whom faith in God is more important than the rule of law.”
    I would suggest we are losing our ancient Christian liberties because (liberal) theologians have done a damn good job of undermining faith in the authority of the Scriptures and the fundamentals of the faith.
    That imv was what started the rot in the Christian community.
    Subsequently humanism and the social engineers increased their influence and powerbase within the State.
    Then of course there is the influence of television and computers, with the emphasis shifting from any kind of social or personal morality and onto self indulgence and entertainment.

    • David

      Quite !
      Today, as usual, I attended my evangelical C of E church which teaches traditional, orthodox Christianity. It is overflowing with energy and initiatives, evangelising in many different ways in the local community, and putting its surplus funds into various good works, locally and in foreign missions. Almost everyone in that church contributes in money, time and effort, in some way, and the church members meet socially as well as in the church building, because they are a community in Christ.

      This is in sharp contrast to the liberal C of E churches nearby that can barely muster a dozen people to conduct a main Sunday service. The overworked vicars receive precious little practical help from their small congregations, most of who are now quite old. Apart from at the church service those congregations seldom meet. They are not a community except in some imaginary sense. There is no surplus for good works, evangelism or mission, on the contrary they can barely afford to keep the roof watertight.

      The difference is that in the busy, growing and active church people believe in the Creed that they repeat at least once a week, and the sermons teach that Bible means what it says; in the liberal church they are taught that the Creed and much of the Bible is a metaphor. Who ever worked hard, or believed passionately, on the basis of a metaphor ?

      Liberalism, be it in politics or theology, is a slow growing, but terminal, disease. That is a tough thing to say, but that is the conclusion I’ve reached after more than 15 years puzzling these problems.

      • Mike Stallard

        I agree totally with your last paragraph. I went to a liberal theological college where everything was up for scorn and questioning. It is only recently that I am learning that the whole thing was utterly wrong. Faith in the Holy Trinity is not ridiculous. It is not useless and it really does give your life a meaning.

        • dannybhoy

          Some of us from the evangelical tradition learnt about these debates on the authenticity and verity of Scripture as they arose in the popular media or from the occasional educated person we met along our way. To be bombarded with it in a college must have been awful. And that is the danger of theology: man believing he could ever prove or disprove the existence and nature of God through his brain and his five senses.
          I remember as a young Christian feeling so threatened by people who could point to this verse or that verse, to this discovery or that scientific hypothesis that totally disproved the case for the existence of God.
          I came to realise that the wonderful thing about Scripture is that it signposts the way to a Creator God and His attributes. He made all living things and built in the ability to adapt to changing conditions in a changeable environment. He made all these things in the same way a writer might imagine other worlds and write about them, whereas God simply spoke them into being.
          The other wonderful thing is that the Scriptures tell us about the nature of God and that who He is underwrites all our concepts of love, mercy, compassion, holiness and righteousness. He is beyond our understanding, but what little we know about Him is true.

    • chefofsinners

      Those who long ago abandoned absolute truth have now lost a few elections and are blaming it on the world being ‘post truth’.
      Can anyone spot an irony?

      • dannybhoy

        Yes, it’s in the cupboardy..
        Years ago I heard a Christian teacher talking about how a culture will continue to behave according to its traditional values and mores, even when the underlying assumptions that inspired them have been discredited or abandoned..
        Nothing happens overnight in human affairs, but because we live in the ‘now’ the significant steps in that process go unnoticed by most of us.

  • Inspector General

    Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has suggested that Her Glorious Majesty contributes to the renovation of the building that houses her position as head of state. Perhaps O’Donnell might wish to contribute towards his expenses in his existence as an MP from his own pocket. No cheque from you will be returned, you rotter…

    • Anton

      Given that Parliament is to be done up at a cost of several billion, he is in no position to complain.

    • CliveM

      He should be hung, drawn and quartered.

      • Pubcrawler

        Can’t disagree there.

      • David

        Only quartered ? Why not into eighths – octosected or whatever the word is ?

        • CliveM

          I’m a traditionalist.

          • David

            Good answer. But I’ve always been drawn to eighths.

          • CliveM

            Each to their own!

      • chefofsinners

        Spare John McDonnel a little longer. He’s doing a brilliant job putting people off voting Labour.

    • Pubcrawler

      I understand that the renovations are to be paid for out of revenue from the Crown Estates. So she sort of is paying for it.

      • CliveM

        Good point.

  • IrishNeanderthal

    A party led by donkeys? What about this suggestion from Italy?

    VOTATE A ZI’ NICOLA Banda Piazzolla ufficiale – YouTube

  • James60498 .

    Suzanne Evans, in an interview said that she is proud of Britain for “leading the way” in abortion rights and “gay marriage”.

    Not sure I would call that Christian. No.

  • chefofsinners

    Congratulations, then, Paul Nuttall. By a landslide.
    You are, according to this article, a donkey with a shallow vision, and UKIP is toast.
    There again, according to this article Suzanne Evans is the Messiah, so it might not be Cranmer’s finest hour.