Extremism

Trump’s Saudi Islam speech will not bind Islamic State’s progenitors

Donald Trump goes to Saudi Arabia and the world awaits his much-trailed Islam speech. And what a mighty fine speech it was. The President of the United States boldly reiterated his notorious “Islam hates us” line and rebuked the House of Saud for spawning Wahhabism, fostering terrorism and abusing the human rights of thousands of its own citizens. called Islam one of the world’s great faiths, lauded King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud for his decency and shared values, and rebuked Iran for murdering its own people and fuelling the fires of sectarian conflict and terror. In the long history of great theo-political analyses of good and evil, this speech missed the mark on so many levels that it scarcely merits any analysis. But President Trump did leave Riyadh with arms and defence contracts worth $350bn, which is good for jobs in the United States of America, if evil for the poor starving people of Yemen, not to mention the wider world increasingly infiltrated and infected by the murderous Salafist ideology.

“If we do not stand in uniform condemnation of this killing then not only will we be judged by our people, not only will we be judged by history, but we will be judged by God,” the President said, as he conveniently omitted to condemn the root cause of “this killing”, of which historian Tom Holland reminded us in his Channel 4 documentary ‘ISIS: The Origins of Violence‘:

There are things in the past that are like unexploded bombs that just lie in wait in the rubble, and then something happens to trigger them. And there are clearly verses in the Quran and stories that are told about Mohammed that are very like mines waiting to go off – Improvised Explosive Devices. And they can lie there maybe for centuries and then something happens to trigger them and you get this.

‘This’, of course, being the mass slaughter, murder, torture and the unimaginable barbarism which accompanies the Wahhabi quest to eradicate all decadence, heresy and idolatry. But President Trump pussyfoots around this fons et origo: “This is not a battle between different faiths, different sects, or different civilizations,” he (now) says. “This is a battle between barbaric criminals who seek to obliterate human life, and decent people of all religions who seek to protect it. This is a battle between Good and Evil.”

And while he’s dancing with a sword and participating in some strange occultic orb seance with the Saudi King, he does not utter a word against the Wahhabi sect, whose view of the Islamic faith and human civilization is the key to understanding this evil. Nor does he mention Saudi human rights abuses you know, those men and women (and sometimes children) who are imprisoned, tortured, beheaded or flogged for blogging. Yet the President does identify this:

But no discussion of stamping out this threat would be complete without mentioning the government that gives terrorists all three  safe harbor, financial backing, and the social standing needed for recruitment. It is a regime that is responsible for so much instability in the region.

He then discloses:

I am speaking of course of Iran.

Seriously, the leader of the free world visits Saudi Arabia which not only harbours thousands of ‘Allahu Akbar’ jihadists but founds and finances extremist mosques all over the world for the greater glory of Allah and he castigates Iran. How bold, principled and righteous of him. Saudi Arabia may not be united in its appreciation of Muhammed ibn Abd al-Wahhab, the founder of Saudi-Salafist Wahhabism, but there is no denying that Saudi Arabia leads the world on the export of terrorism, and that many Saudis applaud the fact that ISIS is fighting Iranian Shiite fire with Sunni fire.

Saudi Arabia manifests a certain theo-political schizophrenia: there is the 18th-century radical, extremist strand of Saudi identity which inclines toward Wahhabi takfir puritanism (which not only excommunicates the infidel, but chops of men’s hands, hangs raped women and throws gays of tall buildings), and then there is the 20th-century diplomatic, moderate Saudi identity, dripping in black gold and drowning in petrodollars (which is the one which successive US presidents [if not the whole Western world] believes to be progressive and ascendant). This is the one with which President Trump has just signed the biggest arms deal in history. Unfortunately, he appears not to understand (or is afraid to articulate) that theological jihad and takfiri purification have been syncretised into a global movement of conservative Saudi Islamic devotion, the objective of which is world domination a global caliphate.

You don’t usher in an era of world peace and religious harmony by helping to finance an ideology which believes Mohammed in 7th-century Medina was the best of times. And you can’t educate Muslims on the nature of good and evil when so many of the words which come out of your own mouth are base, ignorant, divisive and offensive. The medium is the message.

  • IanCad

    Truly, the USA has forever cast itself among the Merchants of Death.

    • David Harkness

      Ian, really? They are ahead of Islam with its 240 million deaths? Ahead of international socialism/communism with its hundred million plus deaths (compressed into the last century of so)? Ahead of National Socialism with its 6 million domestic deaths, ahead of the Mongols with tens of millions of deaths.

      The USA may be a big arms seller, but they need to sit at the feet of one of the masters to learn how it is really done…..

      • IanCad

        David,
        ” Merchants of Death” refers to arms sellers, and by stoking the Persian/Arab fires by arming the more dangerous and populous side the USA has stained its claim to be a beacon of enlightenment and liberty in an ever more complex world.

        • David Harkness

          Ian, sorry, misunderstood you, and now would broadly agree with you.

          • IanCad

            Thanks David. Most gracious of you. Sometimes my wife misunderstands me but she would never say sorry if she eventually saw things my way.

  • Ray Spring

    A brilliant article. But is it Hate Speech? Maybe the site should be closed down as a threat to free speech. I mean, there must be a limit on Free Speech, in order that it can be preserved. Why not self-monitoring to ensure naughty, unapproved thoughts are not shared?

  • vsscoles

    Follow the money – one of the biggest arms deals in history!

    • Manfarang

      Don’t forget Al Yamamah.

  • magnolia

    Superb article, and a grim reminder of the military industrial complex which thrives on bloodshed, and is never backwards in selling more of its instruments of death and destruction, at all costs.

  • Maalaistollo

    So, he’s been turned. Is there anyone on the right who isn’t eventually turned (except, perhaps, Geert Wilders)?

  • len

    What exactly was the point of Trump going to Saudi Arabia then?….Oh, selling them arms then.
    Well, how will that help towards World peace then?.
    Has Trump wondered exactly where those arms will turn up, and who they will be killing?.

  • the Wahhabi sect, whose view of the Islamic faith and human civilization is the key to understanding this evil

    To be fair to the Wahhabis, Islam has been a headache for Christianity and the civilized world since its inception, which is why Europe used to defend herself against Muslims. Today’s Europeans are learning the wisdom of keeping Islam at bay and they must wonder why their governments allowed Muslims into Europe, why politicians praise Islam (‘a great faith’—May) and why freedoms must be curtailed to ensure the success of Islamization. Next month, though, the British will vote overwhelmingly for the parties directly responsible for importing Islam and Islamic terrorism. I continue to hope that the British will realize before it’s too late that there is a link between how they vote and the state of their country.

  • len

    Has Trump lost the plot, did Trump ever have or know the Plot or is it only members of the’ Skull and Bones Society ‘ who know the Plot?.
    Trump seems to know little about Islamic extremists or perhaps the Dollar is more important?. The Deal is the thing,
    Forget ‘the little people’ who might get hurt?.

    The West seems to be ‘still’ totally ignorant about’ the Religion of Peace’ (or if they do know don`t want the rest of us to know?)

    This Lady gives the best encapsulation of Islam, and the aims of Islam, that I have ever heard.

  • Anton

    So the Deal Trumps the Truth.

  • Anton

    Your Grace,

    You can’t educate people on the nature of good and evil when so many of the words which come out of their own scriptures are divisive and offensive.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Let’s be fair to Trump. He’s the only person in a position of power to actually have called out ANY of the Muslims. That he only called some out, and demanded others get real in their opposition to what he called ‘evil’ to their faces to it can be cavilled at, but he’s done more than anyone so far.

    • Anton

      But by doing that he is necessarily suggesting that the problem is due to interpretations of the quran rather than the quran itself, which is pretty clear in the relevant places.

  • Merchantman

    Where does one start when talking of ‘such things’ to a Muslim audience? One could start by quoting all the hateful verses in the Koran in Arabic and ask them a rhetorical question or two. Trump has made a better start than Obama but only just.

  • CliveM

    $350bn of weaponry to the paranoid and unstable House of Saud. What could go wrong?

    There are so many conflicts and points of instability in the ME, it is madness to stoke this further. When you take into account the volatile mix of religion, nationalism and politics festering in this region, you are left thinking that never mind how bad it is, this is going to get worse.

    And looking towards a semi literate, property developer, to “make a deal” to sort it all out, is beyond satire.

    Still in fairness he should be able to understand and empathise with Islam. He shares the same awful attitude towards women.

  • Dreadnaught

    Has anyone got the figures for the sale of Russian and Chinese weaponry to the Shias by the way?
    Trumps’ a dickhead for sure, but our policy towards arms sales is no less problematic. The sooner the Sunni-Shia dispute kicks off good style the better; the we can sell to both sides. Laverly-Jably Rodders.

    • IanCad

      Surely the object of foreign policy should be the prevention of conflicts, not the promotion of them. Even more so, the delight at the prospect of much bloodshed, as your post implies, reflects badly on those with such views who were likely raised in a nation that is – at least nominally – Christian.

      • Anton

        There’s a crucial word missing in your first sentence, Ian: WHOSE foreign policy?

        We tried the one you advocate, in the 1930s…

        • IanCad

          In the former case we were up against a first-world enemy. The disorganised and fractious Muslim countries are not in the same league.

          • Anton

            The point about the missing “whose” still stands. British foreign policy should be determined by what is good for Britain.

          • CliveM

            And what else?

          • Anton

            What do you think?

          • CliveM

            I asked the question.

          • Anton

            For what reason?

          • CliveM

            To understand better what you mean by the statement. As it stands it could apply to any foreign policy, depending on what you believe is in the nations best interest.

          • Anton

            British foreign policy should be determined by what is good for Britain. It is seldom good for a country to conduct an unethical foreign policy.

      • Dreadnaught

        The ‘Kuffar’ does not have the capacity to neuter Islam, as it would do unto them; the prospect of that end lies within its own bloody hands and should be welcomed and facilitated. As for taking sides, that is where Western foreign policy should be to remain remote from any direct involvement.

        • IanCad

          I have to disagree Dred. If Whitey gets mad enough at the Muslim world – perhaps in response to an unimaginable act of terror – neutering will happen in a hurry.
          I’ve said it before – we do ourselves harm by appearing intimidated.

          • bluedog

            ‘If Whitey gets mad enough at the Muslim world -‘

            You’ve hit the nail on the head. At some point the outrage will become uncontrollable; France and Germany may lead the way. The sickening attack on teenage girls having fun in a concert at Manchester should silence any apologists on the British Left, even Corbyn. That old mood of grim and ruthless determination will set, in which case, no prayers to Allah will save the Muslims.

  • John

    President Trump and House of Saud please step to one side. Mammon is well and truly in charge.

  • Inspector General

    Oh Lord! Today, Cranmer dons the widows black and weeps for the world of arab muslim types!

    350 Billion worth of arms is exactly what’s needed to keep these horrors down. The leadership in Saudi know that for all their efforts to spread their miserable and savage faith by the scimitar, they could very easily be dragged out of their palaces and suffer beheading by the mob. It might even happen tomorrow, the start of it.

    Why the concern for the, what were they you called them, oh yes. The “imprisoned, tortured, beheaded or flogged for blogging” innocents. (The Inspector wipes a tear away). Surely the same people who would quite happily ‘imprison, torture, behead, flog’ us given the chance. That’s how it is, or would be. Same old boss (Mohamed) in charge. Just a change in vicious leadership. They would be just as bad if not worse than the deposed.

    Leave the world of arab Islam to Lucifer, old fellow. Let us dwell in a peace they can never know, because they don’t possess the racial attributes to achieve peace without a dictatorship to keep them in line. That’s their wretched inheritance, and they’re damn well welcome to it.

    350 Billion American dollar. That’s impressive, Mr Trump! Well done, Sir!

  • Inspector General

    $350 BILLION of arms exports!

    This is our lot as God has decided it would be. The Higher Understanding has it that man did not ‘fall’, he merely replaced his pointed stick with high cost weapons of destruction and all to amuse our creator as we shake the things at each other as we used to do with spears.

    Anyone who does not accept our situation as the divine providence it is – is as the small child. Utterly clueless. Yes, it really has been provided by the divine. To say that our world is not as God would have it insults our creator to suggest the Almighty couldn’t get it right. He got it right to his satisfaction and there is no mistake in thinking that at all, and there’s nothing we can do but play along with it until we learn to come together to really defy the plan, which is unlikely to happen. To say to God “we have come of age. We will fight each other for you no more”.

    To suggest that WE, us mere humanity, are the ones to blame for wrecking Pax Deum is of itself the stuff of the madhouse. There was no peace to wreck. There never was. We’ve been at each others throats since day one, and will be on the last day too.

    Little wonder Christianity is soaked through with the guilt of existing and having been born at all.

    • Anton

      Inspector, what do you consider this Understanding to be Higher than?

      • Inspector General

        What is held to be true today, that man. Everything that matters about our being is arse about face for some reason.

        • Anton

          It’s not hard to have a higher understanding than the wisdom of the age, Inspector. The age is secular. But whence your opinions about our Creator?

          • Inspector General

            Our creator is logic, Anton. Sheer logic. That’s where we have been led astray. The creator is not vindictive as the OT one was portrayed.

          • Anton

            Where vindictive? And how do you (consider that you) know these things?

          • Inspector General

            One recalls the OT god was keen on the genocide of peoples in the way of the Israelites. Not even an animal even that these hapless victims owned was to be left alive. Anyway, it matters not. One expects the Jews of the time were no worse nor any better than similar iron age types.

          • Anton

            They’d just been slaves – bad news – in a fairly high but pagan culture of the time, ancient Egypt.

            I understand that you spend time at Pink News. The Old Testament records that the Canaanites did a lot more than that.

        • Chefofsinners

          Come, come. I’m sure your mother thought you were beautiful.

    • What a ridiculous comment from a person who claims to be Christian.

      • Inspector General

        Christ used to upset High Priests like you, Jack. Apparently, he got a lot of the faith he was born into “wrong”.

  • Anna

    With someone like Trump, it is hard to know how his present stance of appeasing the Saudis will play out in the long term, but there are 2 possibilities:

    1. Trump has decided to take the path well trodden by past American presidents- turn his back on those who elected him to office and put all his energies into ensuring that the US arms industry never lacks business. This will mean more wars, ostensibly to root out cruel dictators, and bring in the paradise of Western democracy in the ME.

    2. He will play the old tune for a while; sell weapons, obtain contracts, and make all sorts of unsavoury deals with the Saudis and the Chinese; and then turn around and pull the rug from under their feet. Trump is not blind to how much that these two nations need the US – with its old self-harming policies – to prop them up. If Saudi Arabia gets embroiled in a long drawn out war with Iran, Syria and Yemen, similar to the Iraq-Iran war, he will stand aside and let them deplete each other before coming in at an opportune moment to effect his long stated plan of ‘keeping the oil’.

  • dannybhoy

    (Melania whispers to Donald..)
    “Ask the spirit how much longer I’ve got as First Lady..?”

    • Chefofsinners

      Guy in the middle replies: I see a tall dark president…

    • Manfarang

      The devil and Miss Melania.

  • I wonder what he will say in his speech if he visits Iran.
    Probably playing one off against the other for deals for the US. He doesn’t care what havoc he is wreaking for the rest of humanity as long as the US makes a profit and his companies reap the rewards in new infrastructure contracts.

    • Manfarang

      He won’t.

  • worrywort

    We’re all going to die in a food fight. McDonald vs Alan’s snack bar.

  • Is anyone surprised – really? A major cause of deadly international conflict is financial interest.

    Last year, Pope Francis declared, “Some powerful people make their living with the production of arms and sell them to one country for them to use against another country … It’s the industry of death, the greed that harms us all, the desire to have more money.” He continued, “The economic system orbits around money and not men, women. … So war is waged in order to defend money. This is why some people don’t want peace: They make more money from war, although wars make money but lose lives, health, education.”

    In his speech to Congress in 2016, he said, “Here we have to ask ourselves: Why are deadly weapons being sold to those who plan to inflict untold suffering on individuals and society? Sadly, the answer, as we all know, is simply for money: money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood. In the face of this shameful and culpable silence, it is our duty to confront the problem and to stop the arms trade.”

    The United States is the world’s largest weapons merchant, furnishing 56% of all international arms sales. In the Middle East, the U.S. provided 47% of the arms in 2014. President Obama’s first five years, total arms sales exceeded the eight-year Bush administration total by $30 billion. The majority of arms sales went to the Middle East and Persian Gulf, with Saudi Arabia topping the list at $46 billion in new agreements.

    Saudi Arabia increased spending on arms in 2014, more than any other country in the world, spending $81 billion on arms, 10% of its economy – a higher percentage than any country except Oman. The biggest weapons dealer to Saudi Arabia was the United Kingdom, providing 36% of its 2010-2014 stockpile, followed by the U.S., supplying 35%.

  • Ivan M

    Drumpf likes the Sowdees since they are good customers of his glitzy apartments business. $350 billions is doubtless a lot of money. But the way American arms are priced it might buy them the same number of F35’s that three decades ago they could have bought in F16’s for $20 billions. This is clearly a Saudi bribe to ensure American support for the next decade or so.

    • bluedog

      One wonders where the Saudis will get the money, and what they will buy. They have been running down their reserves for several years since the oil price halved. If the purchase is F35s, it’s hard to believe the stupidity. The Yanks may as well send the non-hacked files of the plans straight to China rather than through the agency of the Pakistani managed Saudi Air Force.

      • Ivan M

        The baseline amount is $110 billion. The extras are I think, from the ‘wish list’. Saudis are not doing too well, I understand their monthly per capita is around USD 900. On the other hand they do have ready cash in their sovereign funds. US manufacturers are happy to sell to the Gulf countries, since they do not require co-manufacturing or technology transfers. The Saudis keep the Pakistanis on a tight leash. They have not transferred any of their advanced aircrafts to Pakistan. The Saudis like all the Gulf countries have a sophisticated elite, that keep second class Muslims, such as those from Pakistan at arms length. Pakistan is has always been playing a whore’s game with the Arabs, the Chinese and the Americans. Nobody expects anything else from them.

      • IanCad

        Regarding the stupidity over the F-35s; Is it on the part of the Americans for selling a highly technical piece of machinery? Or; Is it the Saudis for buying an obsolete weapons system? Just as we did when Hammond signed us up for the same overpriced and probably useless aircraft.

  • betteroffoutofit

    Oh my, Your Grace! Looks as thought they’re having a blast all together with that “incandescent glow”!
    However did Tom Lehrer get it so right?

    Of course, he also thought to ask “Who’s Next” – [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRLON3ddZIw&list=RDoRLON3ddZIw ] Could be Mr. T’s next question, though obviously the Middle East has taken great strides since then.

  • Sarky

    Just want to send my thoughts to all the children and families affected by the despicable act in Manchester last night.
    Don’t think I’ve ever felt so shocked and angry.

    • betteroffoutofit

      In full agreement with your wishes for those affected. May God be with them all.

      Angry also — but not in the least shocked. How any country can fill itself full of enemies and then expect to survive intact, i don’t know.

      • Anton

        Yes, it’s what enemies do. As for the people who let them in, some trials for treason are called for.

    • Anton

      Which, if I may say so, shows the power of national feelings. You identify much more closely with the victims of this atrocity than with the victims of several equally bad incidents in France, and one MUCH worse incident in the USA 16 years ago, all of which had the same cause. We are all in this together.

      • Sarky

        I think we already knew.

        • Anton

          Our leaders don’t. They call it a war on terror, ie a war on war, which is an incoherent contradiction reflecting the muddle in their heads. An awful lot of politically correct people in our universities and church hierarchies don’t know either.

          • Sarky

            Oh they know alright. They just haven’t got the balls to publicly state it.

          • Anton

            That’s true of some of them, to be sure. But the PC types are genuinely deluded and there are plenty of them high up.

  • David

    God bless the survivors and the families impacted by the latest attack. There can be no peace or compromise with Islam. How much more evidence do our stupid politicians and “cultural leaders” need?

    • Dreadnaught

      Any odds on how long it will take for the emphasis to switch to the traumatised Muslims quaking in fear of the repercussions ‘we are victims too’ crap.

      • Sarky

        Don’t think that will run this time.

        • Anton

          Agreed, just the usual “this is a perversion of Islam” stuff. People should read the quran and decide for themselves. I have.

  • Typhoon Tina

    Yes this is Trump Version 2 we are seeing, not the Trump version 1 that it said on the can when he was being elected.

    • Ivan M

      There is version 3 in the works.

      • meltemian

        I sincerely hope so.