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On Trumpelfest Eve and the Advent of the Donald

Goodness! I find myself writing to you on Trumpelfest Eve, when weeping liberals all over the world cover themselves in ashes and rend their garments whilst chanting ‘Not my President!’ to anyone who will listen. There are those, like the Archdeacon, who see the Advent of the Donald in terms of hope, but we have been there before – wasn’t President O’Barmey all about ‘Hope and Change’? Will Trump turn out to be just a fetid blast of hot air or the new Jefferson? Time, of course, will tell. There is much that is wrong with the world, and one man can only do so much, even if he is President of the United States. Nevertheless, I am pleased to report that here at The Palace we shall be celebrating with a garden party. The marquee is already up, the bunting strung between trees, and Mr. Slope is manning the barbeque, having promised to give everyone a nibble of his wiener. The weather, alas, does not promise great things, but we shall carry on regardless, our British phlegm proudly displayed (Note to self: take plenty of handkerchiefs and a spitoon).

As for the alleged Moscow shenanigans, my Russian correspondent, Princess Kutemoff, assures me that the whole thing is highly unlikely. For one thing, the hotel heating system is notoriously prone to breaking down, making the rooms so chilly that water from the tap freezes the moment it makes contact with the air – presumably as would all other free-flowing liquids, whatever the source.

Mrs. Dismay’s Brexit Plan, now revealed for all to see, can be summed up as: ‘When we were in, we were in; when we get out, we’ll be out, and when we are neither in nor out we’ll probably get shafted by Johnny Foreigner.’ The Jupiter reports she was on top form in the Commons this week, but when you are challenged by a bearded chocolate teapot it isn’t much of a contest. Apropos of severing links, the Stanhopes decided to sell their villa by the shores of Lake Como and reside permanently in Barchester, though the idiot Bertie let slip to Mr. Slope that is was unlikely they would ever find a buyer now that eighty-or-so Somali refugees have moved in. To those who say this is a wonderful thing and part of ‘the rich tapestry of life,’ I would say the Gobelins are proving to be orcs, of a particularly rapacious breed, and the threads of European civilisation are being pulled apart so that the Tricoteuse Merkin can reknit them in her own image. Say as much in Germany and I understand the police come calling.

I came across the Archdeacon on Wednesday morning – he was coming out of the little church of St. Linus-atop-the-Wardrobe where he had been preaching, and as usual he was quite apoplectic.

“I see another great cathedral has converted itself into a mosque!” he spluttered.

“Whatever do you mean?” I replied.

“Gloucester has gone the same way as St. Mary’s Glasgow! Some muddle-headed yoghurt-knitting kumbaya-merchant thought it would be a good thing to host a multi-kulti-fest, the sort where all other faiths are exalted and our own side-lined. Once the Islamic call to prayer was intoned, the place became a mosque, quicker than Mr. Blair makes a million.”

“I am sure it was done with the best of intentions,” I said, by way of calming him down. It didn’t work.

“Intentions! Intentions! The rooster, with the best of intentions, may invite Mr. Fox to dine with the chickens, but Reynard’s motivation for accepting has a darker purpose.”

I left him by the votive statue of St. Anne of Widdecome which stands on the corner of Apostate Alley and Twink’s Passage, frothing at the mouth.

And finally, dear hearts…

Please say a prayer for the good people of Italy – ten earthquakes in a matter of hours are a trial and tribulation indeed, one we can but only imagine.

So, as the smorgasbord of diversity meets the food processor of harsh reality and the stock-cube of feminism dissolves in the tagine of ethnic misogyny, I bid you all ‘Happy Inauguration’ and good fortune for the week ahead.

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    Oh dear, somehow my reference to gobelins (i.e. tapestries) has become goblins in transmission, which makes no sense of the pun….oh well.

    • It has been restored: the French rendering of the word juxtaposed with the lower-case ‘o’ on Orcs threw one.

      • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

        Bless you…I wasn’t sure whether I should give Gobelin a capital ‘g’ or not…but as it was a sort of ‘brand name’ I did…
        But perhaps instead orcs should have a capital ‘o’…very confusing at this time in the morning…

        • dannybhoy

          Settle yourself dear lady, settle yourself. A quick snifter of something should do the trick..

  • Politically__Incorrect

    “Princess Kutemoff”? Isn’t she a descendant of the famous composer Ripsy CorsettsOff, who wrote “Knight on a Bare Maiden”?

    • Maalaistollo

      And the bum of the flightlebee.

      • Politically__Incorrect

        A favourite of Mr Slope, I believe

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          That would be the flightybieber…

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Indeed she is…also known as the Vodka Valkyrie of Vladivostock…

    • chefofsinners

      You are thinking of Mussorgy.

      • Politically__Incorrect

        You are right there chef. Also, I meant “Night on a Bare Maiden”

    • Anton

      At this time of year the most prominent Russians are Nastikof and Chestikof.

      • chefofsinners

        Currently climbing the ranks of professional snooker players… Inoff the Red.

        • Sarky

          Or my personal favourite ‘knickersoffalot’.

      • Royinsouthwest

        Sometimes I feel as if I am turning into a Russian!

  • William Lewis

    … he was coming out of the little church of St. Linus-atop-the-Wardrobe …

    That church has an interesting history. It was once used by Helga the Hysterical and her haranguing hoards in the great Hissy Fit of 876.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      Preceded by the Great Church “Outing” of 666

      • William Lewis

        Oh what a calamitous Church Outing that was! Besieged with plague, famine and a four hour traffic jam on the M25!

  • 1642again

    One of your finest Mrs Proudie!

  • 1642again

    I hope the London Emir’s raised the Thames Barrier today its maximum today to accommodate the torrent of snowflake melt scheduled today. I fear the worst.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      I believe there may be more than a few Mexicans mixed in with that flood.

  • Muslims who attempted to pray in Córdoba Cathedral were arrested (attacking the cathedral’s security guards and police in the process) and charged but the judge, anxious to be seen as a progressive do-gooder, acquitted them. No unseemly violence at Gloucester, of course, thanks to the spinelessness of the Dean and Chapter.

    • Royinsouthwest

      What would happen to Jews who tried that at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem?

      • Anton

        You know what, but the Jews have ultimate political control over Temple Mount and have had since 1967.

        • Royinsouthwest

          They rule with a light hand. The article that Johnny Rottenborough linked to says “Al-Aqsa has banned non-Muslim prayer since 1187.”

          • Anton

            Anybody who has been to Jerusalem knows that it is pot luck whether you get on to Temple Mount, depending on the mood of the local Muslim guardians, but that visibly praying is a sure way to get chucked off. (On my one visit I didn’t get onto the site.)

            After the 6-day war in 1967 the Jewish leaders, largely secular, handed day-to-day control of Temple Mount back to the local Muslim council, the Waqf, in order to prevent ultra-religious Jews from doing anything there that might raise the whole Islamic world. That is not the reason given, of course. But beyond all human reasons there is a deep mystery of God in it.

      • @ Roy—It appears that Jews do pray on the Temple Mount, albeit unobtrusively (‘Jewish visitors mumble prayers under their breath’) and against official advice.

  • David

    An excellent light hearted skip across the week’s events dear lady. Thank you indeed Mrs Proudie.

    Living near the top of a hill we feel safe from the rising floods of snowflakes’ tears, but sandbags are advisable lower down, especially in the metropolis.

  • chefofsinners

    Let us lift our voices in gladness:

    King Don’s presidency’s nigh
    The Democrats are whinging
    And in MI6 a spy
    Has made up tales of swinging

    Me – eee – la – nia
    Obama in expulsis

    E’en so here Anglo- Anglo-
    Saxon Brexit’s coming
    And goodbye to the Euro
    And problems caused by Schengen

    Me – eee – la – nia
    Obama in expulsis.

    • dannybhoy

      What did you put on your shreddies?

      • chefofsinners

        I had Ready Brekxit

        • Politically__Incorrect

          Continental breakfast for me: sour grape nuts

          • Dreadnaught

            Should have had croissant as they were invented to daily celebrate victory over islam. The shape is in the manner of the crescent – it may even be French for ‘crescent’ which would make much sense: how long before muslims want to ban them I wonder.

          • Politically__Incorrect

            Indeed you are right Dreadnaught. They were apparently invented by a Viennese baker during the bloody muslim siege of the city by the Ottomans.
            Croissants with my bacon and egg tomorrow morning!

          • Redrose82

            A full English Brexit for me every time.

  • carl jacobs

    So begins our Great National Reality Show. Ratings will decline quickly. How long before it gets canceled?

    • Anton

      Betting odds offered on Trump completing four years are quite sporting. Impeachment, assassination, old age, personal fickleness, and the proximity of a terrible monetary crisis are all distinct possibilities.

    • William Lewis

      He’s doing it for you, Carl.

  • carl jacobs

    It’s my party, and I’ll cry if I want to
    Cry if I want to, cry if I want to
    You would cry too if it happened to you

    Donald stands there on the Capital steps
    The Chief Justice stands the same time
    Why is he raising his hand
    When it’s supposed to be mine

    It’s my party, and I’ll cry if I want to
    Cry if I want to, cry if I want to
    You would cry too if it happened to you

    ~Hillary Rex

    • Anton

      What shall we call the demonstrators? How about “Democrats against democracy”?

      • carl jacobs

        Silly Anton. Don’t you know? Hillary won. Democracy means that NYC and Los Angeles carry the election.

      • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

        How about Traitors Warring Against Trump Supremacy…or TWATS

      • Royinsouthwest

        The German Democratic Republic, where Merkel was brought up, was against democracy so there is a precedent – and I don’t mean “Precedent Hilary Clinton” or her husband who, for all his faults, was a democrat as well as being a Democrat.

        • Anton

          Yes, you knew that anywhere called The People’s Democratic Republic Of… was going to be a rathole.

    • CliveM

      I still wouldn’t vote for him.

    • Inspector General

      Come on Carl. Leave your log cabin and do us a Hoe Down…

  • chiefofsinners

    Hail to the chief.

    • William Lewis

      Glory be! Like a chief in the night, he hath returned.

    • dannybhoy

      So who’s the scrawny blind guy?

  • We shall overcomb,
    We shall overcomb,
    We shall overcomb, some day.
    Oh, deep in my heart,
    I do believe
    We shall overcomb, some day

    • chiefofsinners

      Oh comb all ye faithful.

      • Mine eyes have the gory
        of the combing of the Trump;
        he is trampling out the Clintons
        where the memos of wrath are stored;
        he hath loosed the fateful hairspray
        of his terrible swift sword;
        his hair is marching on.

        Refrain:
        Gory, gory, hallelujah!
        Gory, gory, hallelujah!
        Gory, gory, hallelujah!
        His hair is marching on.

        • carl jacobs

          It’s already been done, Jack.

    • Dreadnaught

      Sung by Perry Combover.

  • IanCad

    Very clever as usual Mrs. P. After so many “Funny Fridays” we have come expect nothing less. But I’m afraid this week, for full belly laughs, you have been upstaged.

    The Guardian has a hilarious piece by one, Rebecca Solnit whose hysterics are a sheer delight.

    Not to be outdone is the BBC; quaking at the prospect of imminent annihilation, the serially dopey Robert McCrumb has to hand half a dozen nitwits spouting the most magnificent rubbish that only those from the land of exceptionalism could rise to.
    Let’s enjoy it while we can, and add to your prayers for the Italian hotel guests, a petition for the success of the new Trump Administration. May it be wise and just, and offer the hand of friendship to those many who have so disgracefully declared that they will not accept the results of the electoral process.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      Mrs P upstaged by the Grauniad? Goodness! Fetch the smelling salts and hobnobs

      • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

        One needs to recover from that…

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      The Guardian???? You mean…you…you actually read it?

      • David

        The Guardian ? Me too, as a quick occasional glance at the luvies’ rag, online, never fails to amuse me.

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          Actually, I have just read the Solnit piece…the poor woman is delusional on so many levels…funny yes, but lacking a certain panache, don’t you think?

      • IanCad

        It is always wise to know what the opposition is up to.

    • bluedog

      Right with you, IC. The Guardian is compulsory reading for the discerning Cranmer blogger. Dropping the occasional post amongst the fawning leftists is the cyber-equivalent of releasing a barrel-bomb. On the other hand, one does note that there are many with the same approach, and frequently the critics in Grauniad blogosphere overwhelm the home team. O, the perils of free speech. Who taught the Deplorables to think and write? If the Grauniad’s current free access status were ever to change, this communicant believes the editorial content would be forced to shift to the right to maintain circulation and revenue. The socialists don’t believe in user-pays.

  • len

    Obama ….your’e fired.

    So it begins …Good or bad?. Time will tell.

    • Anton

      As Frank Underwood takes the oath…

  • IrishNeanderthal

    For one thing, the hotel heating system is notoriously prone to breaking down, making the rooms so chilly that water from the tap freezes the moment it makes contact with the air – presumably as would all other free-flowing liquids, whatever the source.

    I have heard that in one laboratory, maybe in Siberia, come autumn they fill the cooling water system with vodka. Come spring, they drain it and drink the vodka.

    • Royinsouthwest

      Some brewers in Canada freeze beer and then remove the ice so that the strength of the beer is increased.

      I am sure there are readers of this blog who are old enough to remember when Austrian wine was adulterated with anti-freeze. It took quite a while for Austrian wine producers to recover their reputation since, unfortunately, there was a tendency to tar them all with the same brush.

      Would you recommend that I use Russian vodka instead of anti-freeze in my car’s radiator this winter?

      • Anton

        No but it would help in the windscreen wash. There are two types of antifreeze.

        Trockenbeerenauslese in the mid-1980s, as I recall…

  • Inspector General

    Ah, it must be Friday, for Mrs Proudie is in view…

    Madam, the deplorable situation in Gloucester cathedral is set to get even worse. The Devil is due to attend and perform and is flying in (unaided) from Georgia. He will be on fiddle, accompanied by a band of demons. You see, he has so many old friends who’ve gathered together in Gloucester that it will be just like the old, pre Christian times. It is thought he may present the Bishop-Feminist of Gloucester, the right old Treweek, with the golden fiddle in recognition of her sterling achievements.

    In keeping with the ‘new direction’, the Inspector has heard that money changers will now have a permanent presence in the cathedral. And a side chapel will be given over to the similar long term residency of a mullah. Sane or Mad, it matters not. What is especially exciting is that a sweet £50 note is promised for every soul that can be turned away from Christ and towards Allah. Just watch the diocesan coffers swell from that!

    Also available is a selection of badges. “I ♥ Satan” is proving particularly popular with the cathedral chapter. There will be an ISIS stall, where phials of blood from recently executed victims of Islam in the Middle East can be purchased. And replicas of scimitars too (over 16s only please, they are very sharp). Finally, there will be a scale model of the cathedral depicting what it would look like if turned into a mosque. It’s really super and imaginative, a must see, of the future ahead.

    Toodle pip, dear thing!

    • Royinsouthwest

      Perhaps the Gloucester diocese will offer you a contract as a management consultant, Inspector! Your money raising ideas might prove attractive.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Oh how dreadful…enough to turn one into a Baptist

      • Anton

        You’d find the water’s fine…

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          But do people share the same loofah?

          • Anton

            Didn’t he begin the Reformation?

    • Politically__Incorrect

      Not sure why satan would be coming from Georgia, Inspector. I hear he spends a lot of time recruiting in Sweden and Germany these days. Anyway, I’m sure the bishopette will welcome his arrival as an addition to her multi-culti menagerie

      • Inspector General

  • PessimisticPurple

    Can anyone explain cricket to me ?

    • Anton

      Yes, although the blog owner might not wish me to. What nationality are you, please?

      • PessimisticPurple

        I’m foreign. We’re all the same.

        • Anton

          I meant are you from a country where cricket is played to any significant extent?

          • Merchantman

            Or a county that counts?

        • William Lewis

          Could you change your name to JohnnyForeigner? Just so we know to whom we are addressing. Thanks old chap.

    • Royinsouthwest

      George Bernard Shaw had a go at explaining it and our host Cranmer cannot say that Shaw’s explanation is off-topic.

      The English are not a very spiritual people, so they invented cricket to give them some idea of eternity.

      http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/87095-the-english-are-not-a-very-spiritual-people-so-they

    • carl jacobs

      Ooh! Ooh! Can I explain? Can I? Can I? Huh? Can I?

      • Anton

        I suspect you can’t, Carl.

        • carl jacobs

          Awwww!

          • William Lewis

            It’s not a bug, Carl.

        • CliveM

          You’re right, he can’t.

      • May I explain … honestly!
        As you cannot, you may not.

        • Anton

          Quite. Our Prime Minister is not Mrs Theresa Can.

        • carl jacobs

          This the problem with the would be grammar Nazi. He doesn’t understand the difference between formal construction and how a language is actually used. Yes, technically I should have used “May I”. But no one in the real world would have spoken that sentence using “May I explain.” In certain contexts, “may I” and “can I” have become interchangeable.

          • …. for Americans, perhaps, but this is a British site.

          • carl jacobs

            Well, I can’t give account for your non-standard dialects.

          • Anton

            The difference between capability to do something and permission to do it is hardly quibbling.

          • carl jacobs

            But who would have the authority to deny me permission?

          • Anton

            In the military you have the capability to shoot the guy next to you. But I doubt that you have your CO’s permission.

          • All rather arbitrary, as use follows custom, rather than formal linguistic logic (which English treats rather cavalierly). In any case, I wager that “can I” is the older, vernacular form from the Germanic stream, as in modern German, “kann Ich…” The vernacular has an, umm, uncanny tendency to persist through the ages.

          • Pubcrawler

            It is, as with all things, a bit more complicated than that. Not strictly my area, but I’ve had a quick skim of the article linked below. Seems the embryonic OE modal verbs suffered a semantic shift, with cunnan shoving the prior magan along from capabilty to permission. See section 4.3 Summary and Figs IV and V.

            http://quaderna.org/grammaticalisation-and-the-old-english-modals/

          • Thanks! That was a truly yummy read; I love stuff like that…even when I only understand a fraction. Most of the grammatical technicalities are way above my pay grade (more in my wife’s territory). but what I’m sort of wondering about, having been a fan of Colin Renfrew, is whether what happened was mostly a bunch of Indoeuropean synonyms which shifted semantically only in OE. So, cunnan, which evolves into can and kannst, in Germanic languages, and magan into mozhe in the Slavonic, perhaps meant the same thing on the Continent, but acquired different semantic properties in the OE.

          • carl jacobs

            Yes but who is my CO of language?

          • Anton

            O, I see. The people, Carl, the people. The people the language is named after…

          • carl jacobs

            Noah Webster set us free.

    • len

      Totally stumped on that one…

      • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

        Mr. Slopes knows a lot about googlies…

        • len

          I bet he does

    • Dreadnaught

      Bowlers bowl balls at batsmans’ bails

    • chefofsinners

      Can you explain love to me?

  • Anton

    O, the joy of hearing the BBC having to report Trump’s swearing-in as US President…

    • Inspector General

      Suppose Obama will be going back to Africa now…nothing for him in the Revitalised USA to be…

      • Bernard from Bucks
        • Inspector General

          An Inspector does appreciate substantial chimneys. The mark of a real home…

          • Anton

            Throw another EU directive on the fire!

      • IrishNeanderthal

        I do not think that would be wise. His full-African half-brother, also an American citizen, told the world he was going to vote for Trump.

        Anyway, Obama’s mother dumped his father when the future president was a babe in arms, and she would have been the major influence in his life. So had I the opportunity to rebuke him over something he had said, it would along the lines of

        “Half-white man speak with forked tongue!”

        • Inspector General

          It would give him an opportunity to get to know his unstable father’s side of the family. Anyway, we all prefer the company of our own, whether it be family or race, and black types are no different. All this squelch about multiculturalism being wonderful is so much flapdoodle. You’ll find that the most enthusiastic supporters of that lie have the whitest of wives. One problem though, he may not be black enough in a continent that has the biggest racists of all – Africa. Not being of the same tribe even is enough for you to find a spear in your belly….

          • Anton

            You do know that there is far greater genetic variation among the inhabitants of Africa than among everybody else?

          • Inspector General

            Yes. Though there is no Neanderthal DNA in them. Which means the the full blood African is a different species to the rest of mankind. Discus…

          • Anton

            Different species? We all have genes from Adam and Eve, we are all in the image of God, we all sin, and we are all able to have children with somebody of the opposite sex whether from Africa or not. The Bible and the scientific definition of species are in full agreement with each other, but not with you.

          • Inspector General

            For Christ’s sake man, you’re a scientist! Or at least, you claim to be…

          • Anton

            … says the man who claims to be a Christian while denying Christ’s divinity!

          • carl jacobs

            Discussion. “Your theory is dumb as rocks.”

          • Inspector General

            Homo Sapiens Sapiens from Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapiens Africanus. A very elegant equation…

          • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

            ‘flapdoodle’ is such a lovely word, I will use it henceforth…

          • Phil R

            I agree with the tribe thing.

            Being a minority tribe in an African country often means no job and no security

  • Royinsouthwest

    Has the Archdeacon spent too long in the company of Americans?

    “Intentions! Intentions! The rooster, with the best of intentions, may invite Mr. Fox to dine with the chickens, but Reynard’s motivation for accepting has a darker purpose.”

    Rooster indeed! Surely he should have said cockerel.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      One can’t bring oneself to write ‘cockerel’…much too rude

      • William Lewis

        Quite right, Mrs P. One must keep the level of discourse above the waistline at all times.

        • bluedog

          The complexities of propriety are intense, are they not? One calls hearing for the first term the use of the term ‘white meat’ to describe the breast of chicken. One could probably write a minor dissertation on that expression and its implied prejudice against ‘meat of colour’.

          • Anton

            Coffee with or without milk was I believe the way the question had to be phrased under Ken Livingstone, not black or white.

          • Maalaistollo

            As there is an Anglo-American theme in this thread, may I offer the following:
            Churchill, when on a lecture tour of America, was served a buffet lunch of cold chicken.
            “May I have some breast?” he asked his hostess.
            “Mr Churchill,” she replied, “In this country we ask for white meat or dark meat.”
            The following day Churchill sent her an orchid, with the message: “I would be obliged if you would pin this on your white meat.”

          • IanCad

            “Chest of Chicken” makes a good compromise.

        • What has a faithful cock, who wakes one for morning prayers, to do with one’s waistline?

          Jack always finds it hard when getting up ….

          • carl jacobs

            If you aren’t careful, Jack, you’ll end up in purgatory like the Inspector. The evidence is already arrayed against you.

          • Jack hopes he does arrive in Purgatory. It’s a staging post on the journey home. One hopes he sees the Inspector there too.

          • Cressida de Nova

            This all sounds like Trump’s locker room talk.

          • Cressie, Jack was just simply talking about a 15th century poem about a male chicken waking a man up to say morning prayers. Would you want to be woken by a lively cock rooster first thing in the morning?

          • Cressida de Nova

            I’m not a morning person.

          • Well exactly. Jack likes to be woken by his cat. She taps one of her paws gently on his nose when it’s time to get up.

      • Anton

        Enough people have written doggerel on this thread.

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          I quite agree Anton, though I fear you sound a little miffed…

          • Anton

            I was merely contrasting Cockerel with Doggerel. I thought it rather witty, but it’s your thread, Madam.

          • Not just your doggerel then ….

          • Anton

            My karma has run over my dogma.

          • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

            Do people go doggerelling?

          • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

            Ah I see, in that case I misunderstood!

          • He has trouble keeping his doggerel up ….

          • Anton

            Unlike you!

      • chefofsinners

        I have a gentle cock
        Croweth me day;
        He doth me risen early
        My matins for to say.

        I have a gentle cock
        Comen he is of great;
        His comb is of red corál
        His tail is of jet.

        I have a gentle cock
        Comen he is of kind;
        His comb is of red corál
        His tail is of inde.

        His legges been of azure
        So gentle and so small;
        His spurres are of silver white
        Into the wortewale.

        His eyen are of crystal
        Locken all in amber;
        And every night he percheth him
        In my lady’s chamber

        • Inspector General

          And that, m’lud, concludes the case for the defence…

        • Did said cock end up in your mouth being eaten by you, Sir?

          • chiefofsinners

            How dare you?
            As penance you must help build the new church I am dedicating to St Linus. You can turn the sod.

          • No one could turn that sod ….. Well, maybe the Inspector. He claims to have special abilities.

  • chiefofsinners

    Oh say can you see, by the Don’s early light
    The bouffant we hailed at the toupe’s last gleaming
    Whose bald stripes and perm waves, with the blondest highlight
    O’er the rollers we watched were so gallantly streaming.
    And the hairspray we share, wave your combs in the air
    Gave proof through the night that the shag pile was hair
    Oh say does that star tangled hairdo yet wave,
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    • Politically__Incorrect

      Chef, are you that busker outside Asda who keeps getting moved on?

      • chefofsinners

        Spare us some change. School fees to pay…

  • Anton

    The White House climate change webpage is already gone and replaced by one about an America-First energy policy.

    Glory, glory Hallelujah!

    And Shema, Israel, too!

    • 1642again

      LGBT page deleted too.

      Andrew Neil complaining about too much ‘God’ in Trump’s speech.

      Just the start…

      • chefofsinners

        There was a lovely lot of God in Trump’s speech, and in the inauguration ceremony. Great reading from Franklyn Graham. There was more Christian content than we’ve had on the BBC in the past four years put together.

        • Dominic Stockford

          I did enjoy thinking about the pain being endured by the BBC, their having chosen to show the whole jolly lot. As for 1 Timothy 2 – ‘one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ’ – loved it (the rabbi behind Franklin Graham didn’t though!).

          • Merchantman

            Go easy on the rabbi he would be singing off most of the same pages.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Although I am a Protestant pastor the Nazis would have sent me to the death camps for being (racially) Jewish. He is unsaved, and his face was a picture of ‘I’m trying not to show disagreement, but I really don’t like this’ when 1 Timothy 2 was being read.

      • Royinsouthwest

        Exactly how many mentions of God does Andrew Neil think would be appropriate? According to the text as published at the link below there were a total of four mentions, two of which were in the last two sentences:

        God bless you. And God bless America.

        http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/trump-inaugural-address/index.html

        • 1642again

          At a guess one at most?

  • bluedog

    ‘…but when you are challenged by a bearded chocolate teapot it isn’t much of a contest.’ Rather off-topic, but do Jeremy Corbyn and Gerry Adams have their beards trimmed by the same barber? We know they are friends, but is the relationship deeper than we suspect? Thoughts prompted by the retirement of the future Lord MacGuiness of Bogside.

  • David

    Hail to America’s new chief !
    After the Brexit victory, let us wish The Donald well.
    We will judge him on his achievements of course, but if America can reinvigorate itself, then the west as a whole can be reenergised around its core values and beliefs.
    God bless America.
    God bless The Queen !

  • chefofsinners

    Aisling Hubert…

    Started a private prosecution of doctors who had practised gender based abortion.

    Case ‘taken over’ by the CPS and dropped because it ‘wasn’t in the public interest.’

    Aisling now forced to pay the legal costs of the doctors who broke the law.

    Appalling collusion between criminals and CPS to thwart the will of Parliament and effectively legalise the abortion of girls because they are girls.

    Contribute to Aisling’s legal bill at http://www.christianconcern.com/donate

    • Dominic Stockford

      Absolutely so. I hope to convince my church trustees to give generously to this specific matter.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      I would urge anybody who cares about this issue and this case in particular to also make a donation, however small. This is a truly appalling case and frankly it shows how corrupt, morally and legally, the CPD has become.

    • David

      Yes it is so corrupt that you’ve done well to raise it. The CPS seems to be running itself, for its own purposes, unrelated to the law from Parliament.

      • Anton

        Can the CPS do this for any case without reference to Parliament?

        • Merchantman

          Ever since Euro Law told us to totally separate judiciary from the state thing have gone from bad to worse. At least Trump can stop the rot and appoint some sensible supreme court and federal judges. CPS and judges are now almost a law unto themselves with no oversight from ‘the people’. It has to change- quite how is anyone’s guess.

          • David

            Exactly.

        • David

          Well applying the idea, “in, or not in, the public interest”, gives them such wide discretion, and if their agenda is essentially, cultural Marxism, as it would appear, then they can continue ignoring the wishes of the general public and, to some extent, the intentions of Parliament. It appear to me that they have been captured by forces pushing a hard left agenda.

          • Anton

            I agree with you, but I’m asking a constitutional question, not a moral one.

          • David

            Judges interpret the law, and so does the CPS, so yes, whilst not claiming to be a Constitutional Lawyer, it seems that they can. The problems arise because the interpretation is based upon assumptions, values, perceptions and political goals from a far left, cultural Marxist position.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Yes they can. And this isn’t the only time they have done this (I cannot quite remember the details of the previous one, a few months ago) – though I believe that it is the first time the person they have ‘stolen’ the case from has had to pay the costs of the dropped case.

          • Anton

            Truly shocking. Both the CPS’s actions in this case and the fact that they can do this unchecked.

            I presume their (private) reasoning is the usual multicultural “community cohesion” claptrap.

    • Anton

      The Crown Persecution Service strikes again.

      I’m intending to make an appeal in congregation tomorrow morning.

  • not a machine

    I liked the bit when president Trump spoke about being a light and this is was an election for you.Certainly seemed to question what his predecessors who were there , had been doing for decades economically for his county people.The moaners looked to me like they had nothing else better to do ,other than not admit the predecessors had created poverty.I liked it , not perhaps what were used to ,but then how should it sound when an establishment creates this sort of environment .some bits perhaps sounded ambiguous for non Americans ,but yeah I can imagine he could well create a new dynamic for the working and middle classes ,if the zombie farming has had its day.

    • dannybhoy

      The wife and I watched.
      I thought it oddly flat and sloppily executed.
      Even if true, I thought it tactless to wade into the failures of past presidents and the political establishment at an inauguration speech..
      Unless he was hoping to have a short presidency?
      I am rather more concerned than I was..

      • Dreadnaught

        Its America – ‘what did you expect to see… herds of wilderbeaste moving majestically across the Serengeti ?’

      • Ivan M

        Trump (although I still maintain he is preferable to Hillary) is a rampant hypocrite. Speaking of ‘smokestack America’ and ‘greenie subsidies’ – off the top of my head – there is among his buddies Carl Icahn, who turned Motorola the iconic technology company into a toy for Google, and had no problems scamming the energy market for his own benefit. Crony capitalism for a different set of capitalists is the name of the game.

        • David

          We all have friends that believe and behave contrary to our beliefs. Are all our friends meant to be rigidly identical to us ?

          • Ivan M

            I have to modulate my message in light of that.

          • David

            Many thanks.
            Safe journeys.

      • Merchantman

        The Pop trolls in their sloppy self absorbed sort of way boycotted proceedings. Schumer is a Dem who probably realises he is at heart too decent to continue as a leftist but he’s trapped.

  • Dominic Stockford

    I was rather pleased that Mr Trump has already removed the muslim prayer rooms from the White House, and got rid of the compulsory 25 minutes of quiet (5 minutes for each muslim ‘prayer time’). I hope he increases the 25 seconds Obama allowed for Christianity each day. Given the fantastic reading from 1 Timothy 2 at the inauguration there really is hope.

    • dannybhoy

      Evidence Dominic please.

      • Ivan M

        Who needs evidence? This meme that Obama is a closet Muslim will not die. Whatever one thinks of him, he is a self-described liberal, which can be verified by all his actions. I used to believe this nonsense some years ago, but that was before I gave up smoking Ziocaine.

      • Dominic Stockford

        I agree with Ivan, however, it was in one of the newspapers I was ruminating my way through yesterday. I remember not which one. The removals and changes were taking place as part of the ‘transformation’ that always takes place in the White House between administrations.

    • Could you give me the reference for this, please?

      • Dominic Stockford

        I believe that it was Gatestone Institute, but I cannot now be sure. I wish I had copy and pasted saved it.

  • Dreadnaught

    I’m sick to the back teeth of seeing and listening to the talking heads on the BBC sneering their distain of Trump and everything he says and those that voted for the number of seats that got him in.
    Its called American style democracy, electoral college system. Get over it. Smashing windows and upturning rubbish bins is because you are F*****g idot Chimps performing at the first sight of a camera; provided of course you hide your faces first.
    As for the muslima seen on TV tonight, who organised amongst other venues the Manchester UK ‘solidarity’ demo, I would say you are completely motivated by racism. Blancophobic Islamists who have no say in what America does but any excuse to bleat your stale tale of self serving victimhood before so-called news reposrters.
    But not a bloody peep out of you on the murderous campaigns where you co-relifionists are slaughtering one another in the most barbaric and bestial manner they can dream up.
    Western civilisation does not need you and your demonic religion despoiling our culture.
    Western lives matter.
    ‘Western culture matters and works for us.
    We were a better land before you settled here. We welcomed you grandparents before they started pretending to be Arabs; and you dump on us.
    Trump scares you because he tells it as he finds it … Farage scares you because he tells it as we see it – and a lot of people like what he says.
    It’s called open Democracy. Suck it up or emigrate.

    • David

      We need more straight talkers like Trump and Farage.

    • Holger

      The level of naive idiocy among Trump supporters is quite astounding.

      They’ve put a sociopath in the White House and now they expect his victims to accept what he’s planning to do to them without a murmur.

      Trump’s inauguration heralds a period of civil unrest, violence and disunity unlike anything the US has seen in modern times. He cannot unite the country when more than half of it loathes him. The right wing thinks it’s scored a massive victory, but its problems are just beginning.

      • Dreadnaught

        A TROLL calling other people naieve idiots – how ironic.

      • The Explorer

        It may be called the United States, but unity of opinion within any country is actually rare. (Where it seems to be the case, it’s probably because contrary opinion has been suppressed by force.) Think of the divisions represented by the Thirty Years War, the English Civil War, the Spanish Civil War, or the Scottish Referendum. Above all, by the American Civil War.

        If you’re male (in the old sense) you’ve got half the human race against you. Ditto if you’re female. And by your age, race etc you’re automatically alienating vast swathes of humanity.

        Some rare people, however, do seem to manage to hold all these conflicting interests in balance. Obama wasn’t one of them. Can Trump do better?

        • Royinsouthwest

          Hilary Clinton would probably have been incapable of reconciling different groups but her husband Bill made a reasonable job of it before getting mired in scandal.

      • Anton

        And Hillary could not unite the country when more than half loathed her, either. The USA has its problems. But sour grapes won’t help.

      • Royinsouthwest

        What victims? Will we see refugees fleeing to Canada and Mexico?

      • Inspector General

        It’s over, Linus. The Gaying of the USA stopped yesterday, and everything it achieved over the years will be rolled back. Did you hear, EVERYTHING. Of course, militant diseased degenerates aren’t going to like it, but when the people are informed what you tiny crowd had in mind for them and their children, said rotters will go into hiding. That’s how it works, you understand. You won’t be able to disappear back into the woodwork fast enough!

      • David

        Using purely your statistically based argument, it follows that “civil unrest, violence and disunity” would be also be risked if the result was flipped.

        • Holger

          Hillary Clinton gained the popular vote and had she also won the electoral college, would therefore be entirely legitimate in a way that Trump is not.

          The US system works in a way that enables a candidate who wins fewer votes than his opponent to take power. While nobody can dispute that, according to the rules of the game, Donald Trump is now president, he has less legitimacy than his predecessor because he did not win the popular vote. His divisive policies will meet strong opposition because of this.

          Trump is in for a rough ride. The US is not a private company where the CEO’s word is law. He’s used to getting his own way by force, but politics is a different game where in the absence of a clear mandate for change, negotiation and compromise are the only ways forward. His opponents are making a show of force – real popular and legitimate force – and he’s going to have to deal with that.

          Trump doesn’t hold all the cards and as the only game he knows how to play requires that he does, he’s going to be out of his depth very quickly.

    • Anton

      About the BBC, just enjoy it. They lost, after all.

    • Inspector General

      A magnificent rant, Dredders! You have speech writing ability in spades…

    • len

      Well said!

  • 1642again

    The Christian leader that proclaims a Crusade would I suspect be amazed at the response.

    • Anton

      Trump and Putin together?

    • NortyNina

      Psychopath.

      • ChaucerChronicle

        So you are a fascist:

        NortyNina Morgoth
        6 months ago
        The attempt to remove Corbyn is an attempted coup by the Jewish mafia to take back control of the Labour party after (((Millibandlesohn))) resigned, and the non-philosemite Corbyn was unexpectedly elected by the Labour membership.

        Unless you suck Jew willy and support Israeli political policy then you are automatically considered to be an anti-semite.

        • NortyNina

          No CC, I’m a British patriot who is interested in all the British people, not the 0.4% who want Britain to be all about THEM.

          That was 6 months ago – how tempus fugits!
          Looks like I was right;
          http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/09/505413/Probe-Israels-take-down-UK-MPs-plot

          But I come here for Christian reading and comment, not your obsession with Jews. His Grace has specifically asked to keep your obsession off the blog.

          • carl jacobs

            But I come here for Christian reading and comment.

            That’s fine, Nina. We just want to know what kind of Christian you are. Christian Identity people have come here before and tried to slip in unawares.

          • ChaucerChronicle

            She’s the type that believes Hitler was right:

            NortyNina > RWJetzt • 7 months ago

            Someone should ask him if he thinks Israel should open its borders to third worlders too. Put him on the spot, make him condemn Israel publicly.
            Its people like Friedberg Fraser who prove that Hitler was right.

          • ChaucerChronicle

            This is her intended tactic on this blog:

            NortyNina Augur Mayson
            7 months ago
            I must check out your cute dogs comments. 🙂
            One thing I like to do on other blogs (using a different i/d) is to post a single comment from a non WN source that reveals what Jews are really like, or what they are really saying, in order to break through the facade that pro-jew commenters like to create, just to sow a kernel of doubt among the non-jewish commenters.

          • George RoPer

            As Nina will tell you, even Hitler was a nominal Catholic, as was Goebbels.

          • ChaucerChronicle

            There are plenty of other sites for you. Why don’t you clear off and discuss issues with your Nazi friends?

          • ChaucerChronicle

            ‘Jews are being killed simply for being Jews’, The Daily Telegraph.

            You often have your Nazi comments deleted don’t you:

            NortyNina
            a year ago
            My comment was removed, though it was fact.

          • 1642again

            Look also under Maid Meena.

          • carl jacobs

            Behold the British patriot in whom there is no guile.

            NortyNina: Knowing what I know about Israeli influence of British politics, I cannot vote for any party that allows Jews to be members or funding from jews to be allowed.

            From the weblog called “Morgoth’s Review”. The article from which Nina’s quote is taken is called “Where Does British Nationalism Go From Here?” dated 18 January 2017.

          • 1642again

            The very nomenclature of Morgoth’s Review reveals it is an antiChristian site. Morgoth was the boss of Sauron in Tolkien’s Silmarillion. Given that Tolkien was a Christian and that Morgoth, was effectively a fallen Archangel, it’s pretty clear he was modelled on Satan. The inhabitants of this website have therefore named it after Lucifer, hardly a statement of their Christian credentials. The amazing thing is that people like this aren’t bright enough to realise that they can be seen a mile off.

        • 1642again

          Morgoth’s Review is a notorious neo-nazi blog site.

      • 1642again

        Neo-nazi antiSemite.

    • Dreadnaught

      The Crusades as far as I am concerned were the equivalent of today’s bloody Jihadi logic. The sooner the West discredits and abandonds this mythological reference from our every-day lexicon the better. I think it is ignorant to keep using this as shorthand for honourable or moral intention in the casual manner as Bush Jnr did over attacking Iraq. The facts fall well short of endorsement.

      • Anton

        It is worth disentangling two things: (1) the Crusades were a matching response to several centuries of pro-active Islamic violence against Europe east and west; (2) it was a theological error of the papacy to turn Byzantium’s call to the West for help into a religious campaign seeking to recover the land Christ trod for Christendom.

      • 1642again

        Complete nonsense. They were legitimate struggles against a relentlessly invading and persecuting enemy.

        • Dreadnaught

          Not nonse if you read some of the underlying ambitional motives of Urban 2 in relation to the Great Schism and the land grabbing knights of THRE. The religious element was there of course but so was the opportinity for power and plunder. The Crusades were as much against the EOC and the Jews as it was against the muslims alone.

          • 1642again

            The religious component was primary for the vast majority of Crusaders. Anyone who has read about the extraordinary hardships and risks endured by the First Crusaders can tell this was matter or faith, not cynical business as no realpolitik would have made such sacrifices.

  • NortyNina

    Looks like I’m being targeted for harassment, which is against disqus rules.

    • carl jacobs

      Harrassment: noun. Posting quotes from other websites that the originator would prefer remain hidden.

    • carl jacobs

      Oh. And before you jump to any conclusions (like so so many before) I am not Jewish. I’m an American and my ancestry is German and Swedish. So technically I am a race traitor. I guess.

      • NortyNina

        I have learned not to believe anything people claim about themselves on blogs, until proven to be true. Nothing at all.

        I don’t care what you are. I don’t ask personal questions of others.

        For the record, I’m an Anglo-Indian.

        • carl jacobs

          Yes, well, you know something about lying, don’t you. 1642Again testified truthfully about you and what did you do? You accused him of lying – even quoting the commandment in Exodus. But he didn’t lie and it took me all of 30 seconds to prove it to myself.

          Go or stay as you like. Just understand that we know what you are. So your effectiveness here is compromised. Your own words will haunt you any time you post.

          • NortyNina

            1642’s quote;
            “turned up here now have you after being kicked off Going Postal for relentless anti-Semitism and espousal of Nazism?”

            It is true I was kicked off GP, for posting a link to a Jewish blog. The mod didn’t look to see it was a Jewish blog.
            ‘Relentless anti-semitism’. Actually not so. Most of my comments there were of a very general nature, and my ‘anti-semitic’ comments as he calls them were almost always from Jewish or mainstream media sources, they just didn’t say what he wanted people to hear.
            I have never espoused Nazism.
            His purpose, like yours, is to get me banned.

            Now talk to me about Christianity.

          • Inspector General

            Tell you what. This man will give you a chance here. A single chance, no more. You’re on probation.

            The Jews in Israel are a marvellous lot and deserve a bloody medal each for what they have to put up with from Islam. We can learn a lot from them on how they live with militant Islam in their midst and still manage to triumph over them. A trick we have to learn and be damn quick about it too.

          • NortyNina

            I have to confess that I am confused.
            I am confused as to why so many people here think they own this blog.

          • Inspector General

            Yes, isn’t that a thing!

          • carl jacobs

            We don’t own this weblog. We are defending this weblog. I have been posting here six years. I value it highly. I don’t want to see it damaged by those who skulk in the shadows and pretend to be other than what they are. All we have really done is post your own words for others to see.

            I notice you haven’t defended your own words. I wonder why?

          • Inspector General

            You are a fine soldier ant Carl…

          • Don’t listen to them, Norty (how charmingly Jewish-sounding a name, esp. in a nasal Brooklyn whine, “Nuortie”). I own this blog, kiddo, as with everything else you see in newsprint or on screen. Me, an honest to goodness, card-carrying, died-in-the-wool imperialist Zionist with his talons on the media, banking and government. It’s a lot of work, but keeps me busy and in shape!

          • carl jacobs

            My purpose is not to get you banned. My purpose is to make sure you are hermetically isolated. It’s OK by me if you stick around – just so long as no one associates you with authentic Christianity.

            Now talk to me about Christianity.

            The Alfred Rosenberg type of Christianity?

          • NortyNina

            I have seen no evidence yet of authentic Christianity from you or 1642again.
            However I could copy and paste a comment I made on Morgoths Review six days ago that shows I have a profound understanding of Christianity, and one that I suspect you wouldn’t want me to copy here because it disproves some modern heresies.
            (It’s rather a long post).
            Incidentally I get into trouble on MR for being too Christian.

          • carl jacobs

            Give me a reference and I’ll read it. All I need is the name of the post.

          • NortyNina
          • carl jacobs

            That wasn’t really a post. It was a long list of verses. But no matter. Let me state a few things.

            Does the present state of Israel have any eschatological significance? No, it doesn’t.

            Did OT Judaism end with the destruction of the Temple by the Romans? Yes, it did.

            Is the Church – both Jew and Gentile together – the New Israel? Yes, it is.

            Is there a separate dispensation for the Jews? No, there isn’t.

            Did Salvation come by the Jews? Yes, it did.

            Is the Lord Jesus a Jew? Yes, He is.

            What does all that mean? It means I’m an Amillenialist.

            Now. How does any of that justify your statement that “Hitler was right.” Or the anti-Semitism that is displayed in your words quoted below?

          • NortyNina

            Just as I thought. You didn’t like my post because it didn’t say what you wanted to hear.
            That is why I quote direct from scripture. To argue against it means you have to deny scripture.
            My very first post on this blog sums it up;

            “Just read the Bible and learn your scripture first hand. Don’t get too closely involved in the quagmire and baggage of institutions.”

            My authority is the little Gideons New Testament I carry around with me everywhere. It’s beginning to show signs of falling to pieces from wear.

            Your comment raises far too many topics to deal with in one post, and since I have to make the tea now, you will have to wait for another day.
            Good night to you.

          • carl jacobs

            And still she will not defend her own words. She runs off to theology just like the woman at the well. Won’t work with me, Nina. I won’t be distracted from the goal.

            I’ll be here if you come back.

          • NortyNina

            My dinner is far more important than you, I can assure you.
            And I have nothing to defend. The things I say are almost invariably true, they just aren’t what some people want to hear.
            You are interested in truth, right?

          • carl jacobs

            If your quotes below are “invariably true” then you should have no trouble defending what you have said. Please do so at your own convenience. I wouldn’t want to interrupt your dinner.

        • Abdul Ramitupatul

          Nina, I think I know your Mum. She used to cook marvellous roti. Innit?

        • carl jacobs

          I don’t care what you are. I don’t ask personal questions of others.

          Another lie. You seem to care quite a bit about whether 1642 is a “K”. Hrmmm. Would that be a coded reference for “kike”? I think it would. OK, OK. Half of it is a lie. You didn’t actually ask him so that part isn’t a shown to be a lie. You just assumed … based upon … oh, yes … “philosemitism”.

          1642 is a liar and psychopath who talks openly about killing people. He is possibly the most evil commenter I have ever come across. He goes to great length to tell people he’s a Christian, but his behaviour shows that he is no Christian, and his philosemitism tells me he is a K. His purpose appears to be to encourage the Goyim to kill the Muslims.

          From the weblog called “Morgoth’s Review”. The article from which Nina’s quote is taken is called “Rewiring Our Brains To Combat Hate-Think (The Movie)” dated 10 January 2017.

          • 1642again

            She’s called me and others ‘kike’ on a number of occasion, despite me being Anglo-Norman back to 1066, and a Protestant Christian.

            I’m really pleased I’ve got under her skin so badly.

          • Ha! Welcome to the tribe!

    • George RoPer

      I blame the Jews

      • zoid

        my guess is that nina does too.

        • George RoPer

          exactement 😉

          • chefofsinners

            Tell us all about NaziNina. (In 50 words or less.)

          • 1642again

            I think you’ve just done it in two. Well done!

    • zoid

      all right darlin’? are they giving you grief? come and give uncle zoid a cuddle.

      • Abdul Ramitupatul

        Leave her alone you might be Joowish?

        • zoid

          there’s only one way to find out innit.

    • Abdul Ramitupatul

      Nina we’ve been looking for you everywhere. Just like The Scarlet Pimpernel you are.

      They seek her here, they seek her there, etc.

  • Abdul Ramitupatul

    Nina please do us and yourself a favour change your ID, something like AninytroN. This is NSA Class President AA1 encryption and makes you totally anomalous. No website will recognise your new ID. Honest.

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    I’m not sure I like the way these blog comments have been going…

    • Understood, Mrs P. This is the power of the troll; even one can derail commentary and wreak havoc on a post. If you have webmaster control, go wild deleting posts and don’t let whining about freedom of speech get to you; a private blog or a private post is private property, and your freedom of speech, in the form of the right to dismiss irrelevancies or unpleasantness, trumps those of all others.

      • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

        I am all in favour of free speech, and am not one of those who then adds the rider ‘…but some things must not be said’, however, I disapprove strongly of anti-Semitism and hope my friends on here will join in the condemnation whenever it rears its ugly head.

    • 1642again

      It’s a pity Mrs Proudie, but antiSemites and neo-nazis are trying to infiltrate any social conservative blog site. Cranmer is merely the latest to suffer this influx. They will lie, try to pass themselves off as like-minded and then introduce their agenda gently, while more of them start commenting regularly. If they colonise it they will destroy it and drive decent people away. They need to be resisted by whatever means and we need our warriors to defeat them: genteel protestations will not work.

      • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

        I fear you are right, 1642again…I can’t abide anti-Semitism, and it distresses me when these people spout their poison.

        • 1642again

          They are relentless and unsparing, and perhaps thought the commentators on this site are all meek-and-mild ‘nice’ Christians who won’t fight back. Not all of us are like that, and there are others of like-mind who will come and join us if necessary. We are in a fallen world and must struggle with its consequences.