Queen's 90th
Meditation and Reflection

The Queen's 90th: Happy Birthday, Ma'am

 

God has saved her and she has lived long. The first two invocations of the National Anthem have been and are still being fulfilled. Her Majesty The Queen’s 90th Birthday is a cause of national celebration and personal joy. It is also a time for reflection and gratitude. Never in the history of British Monarchy has one reigned so old or so long. Nor, perhaps, has one seen so much social change and sweeping transition, at least in the absence of war and glorious revolution. And rarely has one been so devoted to Christ in the service of peace and reconciliation.

We’ll heartily sing ‘Happy Birthday’ and loyally toast Her Majesty’s health, but it doesn’t feel as though our Queen is 90: she is just there, the Mother of the Nation, dutifully serving her peoples as she promised to do on her 21st birthday in 1947: “I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong,” she vowed. That life has indeed been long, and the devotion to service immaculate, for which she thanks God and acknowledges the prayers of her subjects: “I have been – and remain – very grateful to you for your prayers and to God for His steadfast love. I have indeed seen His faithfulness.”

For 64 of her 90 years she has been defending the Faith, as all British monarchs have since 1521 – some better than others. “Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed,” she said in her 2011 Christmas broadcast. “God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general (important though they are) – but a Saviour, with the power to forgive,” she drove home, preaching the uniqueness of Christ like so many of our church leaders no longer seem to do. She acknowledges Jesus, worships Jesus, serves Jesus, and defends the Faith by depending on Jesus. She is devoted to the service of people because she is devoted first and foremost to Christ. Her 2015 Christmas broadcast bore testimony to that dependence:

“For me, the life of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, whose birth we celebrate today, is an inspiration and an anchor in my life.  A role-model of reconciliation and forgiveness, he stretched out his hands in love, acceptance and healing.  Christ’s example has taught me to seek to respect and value all people of whatever faith or none.”

The Prince of Peace is an anchor; Christ’s example has taught… ‘The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened’ (Prov 10:27). Would that this were always so. But God’s wisdom is not ours: His ways are higher. In an age which seeks to over-analyse and reduce everything to atomistic sequences and selfish motives, thank God that we have a Head of State and Supreme Governor whose disposition is to consider the affairs and attitudes of man, and to disclose the virtues and beatitudes of Jesus. She is, in totality, an incarnate Christian mission who radiates dews of peace and the wonder, love and fragrance of Christ. Happy Birthday, Ma’am. God Save The Queen.

  • B flat

    God Save the Queen!

  • Anton

    I often wonder if Her Majesty has had the same conversation with God that King Hezekiah had, “because you humbled yourself before the Lord… your eyes shall not see all the disaster that I will bring upon this place.” Long may she reign.

  • John

    Oh Lord, save the Queen.
    And teach her counsellors wisdom.

  • Findaráto

    Imaginary heavens above, if that’s the kind of sycophantic veneration a real live human being can expect, no wonder the fictitious characters in the Bible are treated like gods and demi-gods.

    Old Ma Mountbatten’s Christianity has never been seriously challenged. It’s the nursery-inculcated variety, where God is an Englishman and heaven, which looks very much like Kensington Gardens on a warm Sunday afternoon, smiles eternally on everything one does, with only minor passing clouds dimming the otherwise radiant sunshine. As such, it’s entirely artificial.

    The real test of the queen’s faith would be revolution and degradation. But what real challenges has she ever faced in her life?

    “Waaaah! One’s yawcht has been decommissioned! Life is SO unfair!!!” hardly counts as a major life trauma, does it? Losing her mother can’t have come as much of a shock either. And even her sister’s untimely demise must have been alleviated by pious reflections on how bad things happen to bad people and if Margaret hadn’t carried on like a common tart then she’d still be alive today, etc., etc.

    That’s the nature of Elizabeth II’s Christianity. Pious, judgmental and heavily reliant on the complacency of privilege. “God is good because he’s been good to me” rings completely hollow in the face of all the tragedy and suffering that others have to face.

    The subtext of her self-dedication speech in South Africa in 1947 says it all. “I declare before all you gullible plebs that my whole life of undeserved wealth, position and privilege, whether it be long or short, shall be dedicated to making sure I never put a foot wrong as the surest means of hoodwinking you all into paying for my palaces and yawchts.” Well, apart from the yawchts, she made a canny bet, didn’t she? She’s a shrewd woman the Merry Wife of Windsor. God is good because he’s kept her in the style she’s accustomed to and has demanded nothing but a toy boat in return. She knows a good bargain when she sees one.

    • chiefofsinners

      She suffered the early death of her father. She lived and served through the war. She has seen three of her children divorce messily. She has found a madman in her bedroom, been shot at as she rode through London, seen Mountbatten murdered, seen her grandsons lose their mother, lived with her family as the No.1 terrorist target and still tirelessly been there to mourn with others. She is not free to express her opinion like you, yet she continues to serve tirelessly at an age when most have been retired for 30 years.
      You are making yourself look ridiculous.

      • David

        Well said !

      • CliveM

        Again.

        • The Explorer

          I suppose he’s reacting to being deprived of his TGiM targets.

          • CliveM

            So much bile, so little time.

            Suppose he feels he needs to take any opportunity that arises.

      • Findaráto

        Oh come on! Everyone’s father dies. Millions lived through the war. Her children’s divorces didn’t affect her directly. She certainly isn’t the only person who’s had to deal with obsessive madmen. Both her son and her grandson made it back from the front without a scratch on them. Her distant and stilted manner with the public is of comfort to nobody. And both she and her family are so heavily protected that terrorists don’t have a chance.

        For a woman of 90 her life has contained relatively few bumps and none of them have been particularly traumatic. She’s been cushioned from everything by wealth and position. And now we’re supposed to congratulate her? For what exactly? For not dying? For acting as an efficient roadblock and barring the way for her ludicrous son? Or just for being old enough and spoiled enough to think that the country really should keep her in gin and Dubonnet and private helicopters for the rest of her life?

        What a charade!

        • chiefofsinners

          To use her words:
          And what do you do?

          • William Lewis

            Doesn’t like queens, apparently. Who knew?

          • Findaráto

            The world would be a better place without monarchies, but Britain has the right to have one if it so desires. And it appears that it does.

            Nevertheless monarchs are not above criticism. And the old duck who wears the British crown is no exception to that rule. Praise her shrewdness in striking a bargain of uncomplaining service in return for millions in cash and a very comfortable existence. But don’t descend into obsequeous forelock tugging and hagiography. She’s an ordinary and not particularly cultured or intelligent woman whose set of extraordinary life circumstances provides her with a lifestyle few can afford. And all because of an accident of birth and 60 years of waving.

            Let her reward be her cushy lifestyle and hordes of flunkies. Quite why she has to be praised for turning up and waving and then being driven away in limousined comfort is beyond me.

          • William Lewis

            Constitutional monarchy rules ok.

          • Findaráto

            Constitutional monarchy reigns, it doesn’t rule. And it’s certainly not OK. But it’s there and has therefore to be endured. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be criticised.

          • Anton

            Don’t mention 1649 !

          • William Lewis

            You are clueless. The Queen exudes soft power.

          • Findaráto

            I know exactly what the queen exudes. Especially after a boozy lunch and a couple of gin and Dubonnets.

            Power, soft or hard, has nothing to do with it. The digestive challenges of a nonagenerian with a penchant for cheese soufflé rather more…

          • William Lewis

            I hadn’t realised that you were a palace flunky (though it does kind of ring true) but anyway, power, soft or hard, usually has everything to do with it!

          • Findaráto

            Wrong again. My experience of the sovereign’s digestive travails was not gained within the palace walls, although unfortunately for all involved, it was an enclosed space.

            A couple of her flunkeys were also present and judging from the looks of resignation on their faces, this had been going on for some time.

            Her husband was there too and had clearly been partaking of the same dish. Once he started, the room emptied in seconds…

          • You were a porter helping the Royal family with their luggage? Trying to top up the allowance, what? Did they tip well?

          • Findaráto

            Poor chap, you really have no idea, do you?

            When royalty wafts up your tree-lined avenue, their baggage isn’t even in the same vehicle. It follows in another substantially less grand conveyance and goes directly to the service entrance.

            I highly doubt the queen or any member of her family have ever seen their baggage, let alone “tipped” a porter for carrying it. By the time they get to their rooms, everything is long unpacked and the trunks and valises stored well out of sight.

            Oh well, I suppose that’s the danger of sites lîke this one. You just don’t know who you’re talking to. Although you find out soon enough…

          • Did you help with the unpacking or were you a junior waiter?

          • Findaráto

            Help with unpacking? You think these people travel alone and need help unpacking their belongings?

            Next you’ll be asking me what I served them for breakfast…

          • Jack is asking if you were hired help in some capacity.

          • Findaráto

            Yes, I hire help in many capacities. What’s it to you? Looking for work? At your age?

            Although I cannot possibly imagine what use you could be, if you have a CV, by all means pass it on and I’ll see it gets to the person who deals with such matters for me.

          • The Explorer

            Did royalty waft up your tree-lined avenue?

          • What life ideology spawns such a bitter cynical attitude. I see tireless commitment to her calling in life, which, though privileged, seems to me anything but easy. Even Jeremy Corbyn sees her commitment as praiseworthy.

          • Findaráto

            Jeremy Corbyn sees her as a pointless parasite, but he’s a political leader and shrewd enough to know which way the wind is blowing.

            The queen is popular now. She’s in the granny zone that renders even the least sympathetic characters adorable. Even that notorious battleaxe Victoria was beloved in the last years of her life, so whatever she does now, Mrs Mountbatten is pretty much assured of overwhelming popularity until she dies.

            And then cometh Charles. A republican’s dream monarch.

            Pray that your beloved queen lives long. As long as her mother. As long as Jeanne Calment. Pray that she outlives her son and that the crown passes directly to the grandson and his bland and boring wife. And then pray there’s a god who’s listening to your prayers and dislikes Charles as much as everyone else does.

          • Findaráto

            I do not sponge off the public purse.

            How about you?

          • Diddums. Do you have to work for a living? What a shame.

          • Findaráto

            My financial arrangements are my own business, but they do not involve sponging off the state.

            Can you say the same or was all this medical care you claim to have received covered by your meagre NI contributions over the years?

            I suspect the next generation is already having to fund the cost of keeping your worthless carcass upright and breathing. Bad investment. I certainly would touch it with a barge pole. A huge outlay for zero return. More fool the NHS.

          • You have “financial arrangements”? My, my.

          • His name’s probably on the Panama list!

          • chiefofsinners

            Only if he wears a silly hat.

          • Anton

            Panama hats look very fine at cricket grounds.

          • The Explorer

            You’re not an MEP then?

          • Findaráto

            Interesting theory. What do you think?

          • chiefofsinners

            I think that you are being evasive about your contribution to society because you know it cannot stand comparison with that of the queen.

          • Findaráto

            If you mean that I haven’t stood about waving for 60 years and charging the taxpayer millions for it while managing to avoid paying any taxes myself for the bulk of that period, you would be entirely right. My contribution to society is nothing at all like the queen’s. If there were a God to thank for that, I would be extremely grateful. As it is, I’m merely happy at my good luck.

          • chiefofsinners

            No, I mean that you have yet to describe any contribution which you have made to society.

          • Findaráto

            But according to the Bible, I shouldn’t blow my own trumpet. I should be modest and not brag of my achievements.

            So why are you trying to incite me to do the exact opposite? Not very Christian behaviour, is it?

            Are you sure you’re a Christian and not some demon or Muslim posing as one to lead people astray?

          • chiefofsinners

            Yes, that would be it. Your desire to obey the scriptures is preventing you from saying what you contribute to society.
            Or maybe you just don’t have a trumpet to blow.

          • Findaráto

            And there you go again, trying to persuade me to sin, which by your standards (not mine) is itself a grievous sin, for which you will be punished if your God really does exist. All the more so because of your clear lack of repentance.

            Christians and Pharisees … really, who can tell them apart?

          • chiefofsinners

            And there you go again, refusing to answer the question. Do you remember Jeremy Paxman and Michael Howard? I’m no Paxman and you aren’t even Michael Howard, but the effect is the same.

          • Jack thinks you teach English and French part-time at a second rate private school to top up your inheritance which would have been badly damage by the financial crash.

          • The Explorer

            It would certainly account for your EU enthusiasm, since you would have a vested interest. On the other hand you say you are not a sponger, so perhaps not.

          • Findaráto

            All this speculation and yet you are all so very wide of the mark.

          • The Explorer

            Glad to hear it.

          • chiefofsinners

            But what do you do?

          • Old Nick

            One of the most tiresome achievements of the late William Hamilton MP is to give the impression that somehow the Monarchy is expensive. In fact it is costs a great deal less than the Headship of State of most advanced countries where the Head of State is not also the Head of Government (e.g. Germany)

          • Findaráto

            The president of Germany is elected. Did you ever vote for the queen?

            A democratic mandate should be the minimum requirement for holding public office. For the state to place millions at the disposal of one family and allow them to represent Britain (and live in the lap of luxury while they’re doing it) when Britain has not chosen them to represent us is unacceptable.

            Mine is a minority position, of course. But just because I have to put up with a royal family doesn’t mean I have to like them. They are not above criticism and the economic argument for keeping them is a poor one. A wedding every decade or so might bring in a few extra tourists, but tourists will come whether there’s a monarch in Buckingham Palace or not. It’s the buildings and their contents they want to see, not the people who live in them. France has no monarchy but it still has the Louvre and Versailles, and a significantly bigger tourist trade than we do. And it doesn’t have to spend millions on state weddings for spoiled royals. Nor does it have to pay to protect them, which costs an enormous amount, which is conveniently fogotten about when the cost of the monarchy is debated.

            However much they cost us, they’re bad value for money and we’d be better off without them. So let’s send them packing and put Buckingham Palace on Airbnb. If she wants to stay there, let her pay the going rate like everyone else.

          • Old Nick

            Did you vote for your parents. The trouble with pseudo-rationalists is that they have a totally inadequate notion of human nature and of its development in the course of human history.

          • Findaráto

            Children aren’t given the vote as they don’t have the emotional and intellectual maturity to cast it wisely. The trouble with religionists is that they have a totally inadequate notion of maturity and think we should infantilise ourselves by praying to a Big Daddy in the sky and venerating a mother figure of a queen.

          • Old Nick

            Will you be mature when you are dead ?

          • Findaráto

            When I am dead I will no longer exist, so words like “mature” will no longer have any meaning for me.

            One is born, one grows, one matures, one ages, one dies. And then it’s game over. Christians seem to spend their lives trying to go backwards. They want the world to be like a giant schoolroom with an authority figure who tells them what to do and lets them avoid the realities that maturity brings.

            If the choice is between a mature acceptance of mortality and a childish flight into fantasy and make-believe, I know what my choice will be.

            Of course the children who make the other choice attack and belittle everyone else. Even a single voice raised against their fantasy world of gods and spirits shatters the illusion and leaves them bitter, angry and afraid. And that’s how they’ll remain: scared witless that it’s all a lie and that when they die their consciousness will unravel and evaporate into nothingness.

            The oblivion that holds such terror for the religious has never frightened me. An eternal dreamless sleep with no waking and no gods to bow down to and appease is quite a pleasant prospect. Until convincing evidence that something, indeed anything, awaits us after death, I shall continue to view Christianity and all other religions as the fantasies of scared and immature children. And the child who can’t handle that and calls me a robot just confirms that his faith is born out of fear and a flight from reality. He confirms that Christians are the most contemptible of beings: scared, cowardly, superstitious children who need to grow up.

          • Old Nick

            More to the point, did you vote for Mr. Juncker ?

          • Findaráto

            My government did, and I voted for (or against) them.

            My democratic rights were exercised when I cast my vote during the last General Election.

            There is no need for direct elections to choose the European Commission. Member state governments appoint the Commission and in doing so retain influence at the heart of Europe.

            A directly elected Commission would have an independent mandate and could therefore challenge national governments in a way that is not possible now. This would lead to a standoff between member states and the Union, which could bring the whole thing crashing down.

            This is why Euroskeptics want a directly elected Commission. They don’t give a damn about democracy. All they want is to destabilise the Union and break it apart.

            They won’t succeed however, although they have a slightly better chance of getting their way over Brexit.

            If we do leave the EU, we’ll be facing years of economic uncertainty and doubt. If Clinton wins the US election, we can be sure that current Democrat trade policy won’t change and Obama’s warning will be prophetic indeed. But even if Trump carries the day, he has no love for us just as we have none for him. Our position in the world will be precarious and our standing diminished. Our companies will struggle to export as trade agreements with other countries fail to materialise. It will take years to renegotiate deals with the US and Europe and in the meantime exporters will go to the wall. Even a massive devaluation of Sterling won’t help – it doesn’t matter how cheap your products are if you have no access to foreign markets. Confidence in the economy will collapse, capital will flee offshore, Sterling will nosedive anyway, leaving us with all the negative effects of a weak currency with none of the advantages, and millions will regret being swayed into making a catastrophic decision by a bunch of xenophobes, Colonel Blimps and Christians.

            That’s the reality of Brexit and I remain confident that the British won’t be so foolish as to choose it. The early lead of the Leave campaign will evaporate as the implications start to sink in. It’s already begun and can only go one way now.

        • Not to put too fine a point on it, and forgive the language and unchristian sentiment, but do piss off.

          • CliveM

            However I’m sure Prince Philip would approve.

          • Findaráto

            There’s nothing to forgive. The senile imprecations of a demented geriatric are like water off a duck’s back.

    • Anton

      I wouldn’t swap with her. Would you?

      • Findaráto

        You can’t swap with her so your question is meaningless.

        I rather suspect however that if the shoe was on the other foot, she wouldn’t swap with you. Look what happened when the proposition was put to her sister? A single life as an overprivileged HRH in a palace or married bliss as a commoner in a suburban semi? We all know what her choice was.

        Seems like life in the royal goldfish bowl isn’t quite as awful as apologists for the monarchy make it out to be…

        • Anton

          Are you deliberately misunderstanding the concept of a hypothetical question, so as to avoid answering it?

          I have no idea if she would swap with me. The issue I raised is the converse. I do not wish to live in the glare of publicity, and to have to sign ungodly laws into force over which I had no influence. I do not regard life in palaces and meeting the rich and powerful to be adequate compensation for all of that.

          • Findaráto

            Hypothetical questions must at least be theoretically possible in order to make any sense.

            You could not suddenly become king because the laws that govern the succession do not permit it. Unless of course you happen to be a Protestant descendant of the Electress Sophia, which I somehow doubt. If I’m wrong however, how many people would have to die before you succeeded? I suspect quite a few, in which case your chances of becoming king are slim to none.

            The queen on the other hand could abdicate or be deposed and become a private citizen if she so wished. So her chances of discovering what your life is like are significantly higher than any chance you might have to experience hers.

            Telling me you wouldn’t want to be monarch is therefore meaningless. You’re not and will never be, so your feelings on the subject are profoundly irrelevant to any discussion about the monarchy.

          • Anton

            The feelings and thoughts of any one non-prominent citizen are as relevant or irrelevant to the issue as those of any other, and that goes for both me and you.

          • Findaráto

            What makes democracy function is the illusion that private individuals’ thoughts and feelings count for something in the grander scheme of things. They do not and your impotence is almost total.

            Of course you have your vote, should you choose to exercise it. But on its own, that vote is of little to no value at all.

            Democracy works best when it fools the people into thinking they rule and can effect the change they want when really they’re almost completely powerless.

            As a Christian who’s been thwarted time after time after time when it comes to issues like equal marriage, abortion and immigration, you’d think you might actually understand this. But perhaps your belief in democracy is of the same rigid and dogmatic variety as your belief in God…

          • Anton

            Not at all.

      • Jack would.

        King Happy Jack I ….

        • Findaráto

          You can’t be king. You’re a Catholic. Not even the updated Act of Succession permits that. Good job too.

          • The question was not could Jack be King, but would he wish to trade places with the Monarch. Do stay with it, Linus.

          • Findaráto

            Just reminding you of reality, Jack. You could wish to give birth to triplets too, but that won’t happen either.

            Wishes should always be attainable, don’t you think? If you wish for something you can never have then you’ll just end up disappointed and bitter.

            Of course … how stupid of me! That explains everything, doesn’t it?

          • But it’s you who wishes to give birth, Linus, not Jack.

    • Your comments in yesterday’s blog column seemed reasoned and even borderline sensible, but today, well I’m afraid you’ve lost it again big time.

  • Uncle Brian

    Amen, Your Grace.

    Nice picture, by the way. I wonder what the books are. They are books, aren’t they?

    • chiefofsinners

      There is a pea underneath them to test whether he is a real prince.

      • Uncle Brian

        Brilliant, Chief! Now, if you’ll excuse me for a moment, I have to wipe the coffee off my keyboard.

        • chiefofsinners

          Think about it… you’ve never seen ‘prince’ Harry in a similar pose, have you?

  • David

    Well said Your Grace, and thank you for that fine article.
    If her senior Ministers and advisers had half the Christian faith, wisdom and sense of public service that the Queen possesses our country would be a far better, happier and more godly place.
    God save the Queen !

  • len

    God Save The Queen.And many thanks to her for all the years of service she has rendered to the UK and the commonwealth.

  • A Happy 90th! God save our Queen!

    • dannybhoy

      From what?

      • Rebellious Scots to crush ….

        • dannybhoy

          Hmmm.
          Are you being conciliatory Jack Happy?
          The Queen has the right to speak out on matters concerning the faith she is the Supreme Governor of.
          If she can’t even speak out against matters concerning her office, of what value is she to us?

          • Jack thinks this comment is in the wrong place.

          • dannybhoy

            Jack, it’s highly unlikely but possible, that in the event of a national emergency Danny and young relatives might be called up to fight for Monarch and country. I should be prepared to lose my life but not express my opinion on the issues?

        • CliveM

          Grrrrr……!

      • From impertinent wags like yourself!

        • dannybhoy

          Wag?
          Wag?
          WAG??
          Okay yes,you nailed me.
          I’m a weally angry goy…

          • If you wanna het into heavy topics, you come and help with turning over the house for pesach. You get to do the dairy oven. The one with year”s worth pizza drippings.

          • dannybhoy

            You keep kosher?!

          • Yes of course, full shomer mitzva, kippa, tzitzit, the whole shebang!

          • dannybhoy

            Gut Shabbes my Jewish friend..

          • Likewise and chag sameach…coincides with first Seder! And I cut my finger right thriugh the nail 20 minutes ago and waiting for lift to clinic. So you can wish me a refua shleima too!

          • dannybhoy

            Indeed!
            The one bright spot is that you still have one whole hand for tackling the dairy oven..

          • Thank you for your sincere and heartfelt condolences. I’ll always remember this rare and deeply touching moment of sympathy.

            You’ll be overjoyed to know that the oven was done hours ago. I was chopping a Roma tomato. Properly too, with fingers curled. Phone rang, automatically started reaching for it…doh!

          • dannybhoy

            A klutz already!
            Here’s a little clip to make you smile..

  • Lovely article, Happy 90th Birthday to Her Majesty and many happy returns of the day.

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    A splendid article Your Grace, splendid…

    • Uncle Brian

      All your quill pens duly sharpened, I trust, Mrs P?

  • Anton

    I shall raise a glass to her in my local pub tonight.

  • Martin

    And she failed to stand against the bill to legalise fake marriage. That isn’t the behaviour of a Christian

    Like the bishops of the Church of England, she has betrayed the faith.

    • chiefofsinners

      She is the head of the Church of England which stands against same sex marriage. But most of her work is out of the public eye, and so you will never know the lengths she went to personally to resist the change.

      • Martin

        CoS

        But she did not make her views public when she should have and the bishops cowardly abstained from voting.

        • chiefofsinners

          What difference would it have made if she had broken 60 years of restraint and convention by speaking publicly against parliament? Her views can be surmised by most of us.

          • Martin

            CoS

            It would have challenged the current moral turpitude.

      • dannybhoy

        This is true cos, but..
        to have said nothing when our and her faith is under such pressure means what?
        If the reigning monarch of the United Kingdom cannot publicly express his/her position on an article of faith -even if they are subsequently overruled-
        means what?
        That they are being ignored
        or
        they are mere puppets?

        • chiefofsinners

          Yes, agreed. But to refuse to sign the act of parliament would not have stopped it becoming law, while also destroying a great deal. I repeat that you do not know what happened out of the public eye.

          • dannybhoy

            That doesn’t matter. What matters is that she as supreme governor would have nailed her colours to the mast and given a lead to her fellow Christians

          • It’s interesting that the Mosaic law permitted divorce though divorce was never God’s desire – he hates it. Yet, though hating it, he permitted it ‘because of the hardness of your hearts’. Laws express what the moral condition of the people can bear. Perhaps our Queen recognised this.

          • dannybhoy

            I am on record as not being anti gay. I was in the merchant navy, and during my working life I worked alongside them.
            I support civil partnerships. Even more than that I sgree with the US Military edict of “Don’t Ask -Don’t Tell.”
            In the world of work it’d not important. As long as the individual does the job to the best of their ability their sexuality is nothing to do with me.
            I have never bullied anybody for any reason, and I remain opposed to bullying or blackmailing anyone because they are homosexual. I would go to the assistance or defence of anyone being attacked for any reason.
            So as our monarch and Supreme Governor of the Church of England, I would welcome her speaking up in defence of something – …anything!

          • Anton

            Christians are to treat all people well in individual interactions and obey the law (unless it demands explicit idolatry/ denial of Christ). But we may keep our own opinions of what the law should be.

          • dannybhoy

            ?
            Don’t gotcha.

          • And surely to act as Christians in the public square and in any position we hold? There comes a time when opinions have to be expressed and acted upon.

          • dannybhoy

            “I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen.”
            Martin Luther.

            http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth403720.html

          • He’s right; one cannot go against one’s conscience even if it is erroneous and misguided. However, one is culpable if one fails to exercise proper care in forming it.

          • dannybhoy

            It seems to me that in her capacity of Supreme Governor /Defender of the Faith
            (that’s the Christian faith, by the way..)
            Her Majesty could have spoken on the issue of ssm.
            Otherwise what is the point of being Defender of the Faith if it is the secular government of the day that decides what that faith means?

            Would not the disestablishment of the Church of England, rescue it from its position as hostage to the State, and release Her Majesty from a position that frankly means very little to most of the country.

          • Anton

            Yes, absolutely, but that is a matter for the individual Christian. It might be that some who have no family are called by God to speak out when those with young children are not, for instance.

          • chiefofsinners

            I just say: don’t judge her too harshly, on this day of all days.

          • dannybhoy

            I admire her sense of duty. I value the concept of a limited monarchy.
            As long as it exercises its right to speak out where permitted.
            If it has no right to speak then it has no more significance than Sooty..

          • Findaráto

            Well that begs a very interesting question.

            Whose hand…?

          • Darter Noster

            That of the person who commands a majority in Parliament (not necessarily the Prime Minister).

            Convention requires the monarch to obey the will of Parliament. An impasse between Parliament and Monarch would lead to a General Election; if the monarch refused to accept that result then abdication or abolition would follow, but no monarch since 1688 has been stupid enough to oppose Parliament.

          • Findaráto

            So what dannybhoy wants her to do is flout the will of Parliament and be abolished.

            I see. I thought his name had a Fenian ring to it.

            Unfortunately for him, mad Irish schemes for getting rid of the queen are doomed to failure. She’s far too wiley to fall for anything so obvious. What matters to her is survival and she’ll sign any number of Equal Marriage Bills to secure her position.

            I admire the woman’s pragmatism. And the fact that it has alienated a significant part of her natural support base, as evidenced here, is most satisfactory. But we’re stuck with her for the time being, so I’ll just have to be content with smiling at all the wailing and Weltschmerz her actions have provoked among hardline Christian ne’er-say-dies. When you’d like to be rid of both the pigeons and the cat, casualties on either side are always a positive sign.

          • dannybhoy

            I don’t want to get rid of Her Majesty. I admire her years of dedicated service.
            The monarchy is a unifying force, but I do think that disestablishing the Church of England would free the monarchy up from its association with the Church, and allow it to be what it’s supposed to be -a part of the Church Universal.

            Let’s be clear, the reason the CofE contains so many ‘flavours’ is because the State wants a neutered church, subservient to the good of the nation as politicians see it.

            It is fpr example the State not the Church, which approves Archbishops. It is the State which ensures the Church be an equal opportunities employer..
            ps Danny’s Irish connections are extremely speculative. I like the Irish, their music, their beer and their whiskey..

          • Findaráto

            Whether the CofE is established or not, the queen will still be queen and must therefore remain politically neutral.

            Whatever her private religious beliefs, her public behaviour will not change. She won’t publicly support any religious initiatives that conflict with government policy. And as most religious initiatives are just politics dressed up in clerical weeds, she basically won’t express her religious beliefs at all. Apart perhaps from continuing with her annual “Catechism with Granny” service (otherwise known as the Christmas Speech).

            That’s about as direct as she can be. “My husband and I believe in Gawd and so should you, you smelly proles” is about the extent of her ability to express herself. That isn’t going to change any time soon.

          • dannybhoy

            “Whatever her private religious beliefs, her public behaviour will not change. She won’t publicly support any religious initiatives that conflict with government policy.”
            But that doesn’t matter. The Queen can continue to attend church, but the Church can sort it self out and express its views without fear nor favour.
            I suspect that Prince Charles as Defender of Faith(s) will have a much looser relationship with the CofE anyway.

          • Findaráto

            That’s exactly what she does now. So why are you pissed off with her?

            I don’t like the monarchy and I think the queen herself is an achingly dull woman. But although I’d like to see her position abolished, while it remains then she’s the best kind of person to fill it.

            Single-minded, practical and totally devoid of creative and independent thought, she just gets on with the job and does what she has to do without any kind of existential angst or feelings of hopelessness. She couldn’t have lasted as long as she has if she had a mind that could grasp the absurdity of her role. Her son is a different kettle of fish however, and agonises endlessly over even the most minor moral decision. He won’t attend any state function involving the Chinese out of concern for Tibet, for example. He’s a constitutional timebomb just waiting to explode.

            But anyway, regarding his mother, you might as well blame a robot for riveting a car chassis as blame the queen for signing the equal marriage bill into law. Just wait until her son inherits. Then you’ll see how incompatible independent thought and moral stands are with the principle of constitutional monarchy.

          • Darter Noster

            Gay marriage has not been permitted in the Church of England, of which she is Supreme Governor. It has been permitted under civil law, by Act of Parliament, for anywhere other than the Church of England.

            I fail to see what the Queen has betrayed. Civil law in this country is not and never has been decided on the basis of Anglican theology; quite the opposite in fact.

          • CliveM

            60 years on the throne and some choose to judge her over an issue she has no power over.

          • Darter Noster

            The Church of England is the only religious body in the country which is forbidden by law from conducting same-sex marriages. As supreme governor her hands are clean.

            Much more troubling to me is Royal Assent to the Abortion Act, and that was fifty years ago.

          • dannybhoy

            So why be known as Supreme Governor or Defender of the Faith?

          • dannybhoy

            On that point you are correct. But I don’t judge her harshly.

          • chiefofsinners

            I can’t help thinking that on the day when we are rewarded openly for the things done in secret, she will have a heavenly mansion which is larger than mine, even as she does on earth.

          • dannybhoy

            I cannot really comment. The lady knows where she stands with the Lord.
            I’m hoping for a tent in the grounds. I’m not expecting rain..

    • Findaráto

      She actually gave the Royal Assent in record time. That particular box barely had time to hit her desk before its contents were approved and speeding their way back to Parliament to be sealed and promulgated.

      This can only mean one of two things:

      1) Mrs Mountbatten approved of equal marriage. This is not as unlikely as it might seem. We’re told that she heartily approved of the new Act of Succession abolishing male primogeniture. Maybe she’s a firm believer in equality.

      2) She did not approve of equal marriage, but knew she couldn’t get out of signing the bill, so she did it immediately to get the wretched thing off her desk and prevent petitions from crazy Christians imploring her to defy convention and veto the law. She knew that if she did this it would be curtains for the monarchy, which at the very least would have found itself stripped of all constitutional functions as per Sweden. We’re told the old battleaxe has a sainted horror of anything resembling a Scandinavian or Low Countries “bicycle monarchy”, so this is probably the most plausible explanation. The prospect of being demoted to the level of an Orange-Nassau or, imaginary God forbid, a Bernadotte, would have steeled her hand and strengthened her resolve to be pragmatic and realistic.

      Paris may be worth a Mass, but London is definitely worth a gay wedding.

      • Martin

        Fin

        Actually it would make an interesting comment on our age’s morality for the monarchy to be removed because perverts wanted to pervert marriage.

        • Findaráto

          The monarchy was not removed because the queen is shrewd enough not to let herself be hijacked by political and religious extremists like you.

          Outmanoeuvred by the gays and now outmanoeuvred by a girl.

          What kind of man are you?

          • Martin

            Fin

            The political and religious extremists have hijacked the Queen, the laws and ‘morality’. But God is not mocked, though our society will degenerate.

          • Findaráto

            Which basically means “I’m a total loser but dreaming of the day when I see you burn is what keeps me going”.

            Go ahead, nurse your dreams of vengeance against a society that refuses to let you tell it what to do. Imagining us writhing in eternal torment is obviously balm for your defeated and mortified soul.

            Far be it from me to stop you from taking refuge in your fantasies. I just hope that those whose task it is to care for you (whether in a secure facility or in the community, but let’s hope it’s the former for everyone’s sake) know how to recognise the tell-tale signs of an impending psychotic episode.

            Are those voices in your head telling you that God wants you to wreak revenge on all the evil sodomites? If so then perhaps you should seek spiritual guidance from a pastor or elder before acting. With a bit of luck they may be able to convince you that vengeance belongs to the Lord, not to you, and that voices telling you otherwise are just a form of spiritual attack from the enemy.

            It’s at moments like this that the anonymity of blogs like this one gives cause for concern. If we knew what part of the country Martin lived in, security could be increased in local LGBT venues. As it is I suppose they’ll just have to hope that help gets to him before he gets to them.

          • bluedog

            ‘security could be increased in local LGBT venues.’ Most public toilets are locked at night. What else do you want?

          • Findaráto

            And you’ve checked every single one of them, haven’t you? Just to make sure…

          • bluedog

            Applications close shortly for the post of Inspector-General of the Pooves, to whom this task will be delegated.

          • Findaráto

            I see the position of Poofhater General has already been filled.

            Pity there’s no salary and privileges attached to the post. Or does Christian Concern slip you a fiver every now and then when you’re getting low on spite and bile and need to find inspiration in the bottom of a beer glass?

            Like other anachronisms your extinction is only a matter of time. Then who’ll do the important work of hating homosexuals? The post will probably pass to a Muslim. See, you’ve been outmanoeuvred on every front!

          • bluedog

            As this communicant has champagne tastes your smear is sadly misdirected.

          • Findaráto

            What? A nasty foreign beverage! No true Englishman you! Your kind will be dealt with harshly after Brexit, just like all traitors and turncoats.

          • bluedog

            I’m British.

          • Martin

            Fin

            And there you reveal your character, expecting violence from others because that is what you think right.

            But why would I need to do anything since God is in control and has abandoned our society to its fate. We live in a society where the seeds of it own destruction have been sown and are even now sprouting all around us.

            And remember, I’m the one using my name, you’re the anonymous one.

          • Findaráto

            We have no idea if Martin is your real name. All we have to go on is your word, which is worth how much exactly?

            In my experience crazed fundamentalists often believe that God is taking too long to mete out retribution and interpret their wish to see their opponents die painful deaths as the divine will made manifest in them. That’s what motivates Muslim terrorists. And as Christian paranoia increases, who can tell when they’ll start to follow suit?

            In any case I should thank your imaginary God for the anonymity of the Internet. I’ve had my share of threats from crazed Christians over the years. Most of them are empty posturings by common garden bullies, but one or two have borne all the hallmarks of seriously disturbed individuals. Just like you.

            Of course the crazed religious obsessive needs to be cared for to ensure he doesn’t harm himself or others. One hopes you’re getting that care and not just being exploited and radicalised even further by the fundamentalist sect you belong to.

          • Martin

            Fin

            Well look at that for the outpourings of crazed fundamentalist religion. I’m accused of being a liar, anonymous, making threats of harm, posturing, bullying, being disturbed and in need of care. Have I missed anything out?

            But remember, God is in control, He decrees when your life will end and He will judge you. Another one who breathed out hatred and threats toward Christians was Saul of Tarsus, and see how He ended up. God could still be merciful to you.

            And remember, God is in control of our society too, and has allowed its sin free rein, allowed false beliefs to rule and destroy what we have.

    • Peasant Farmer

      A) The Queen won’t attain eternal salvation through what she did or didn’t sign over gay marriage, she will attain it, as I understand it, through what she thinks of Jesus Christ, and her public pronouncements, particularly the Christmas ones over the years more than suggests she knows this.

      I wish she had stood firm and refused to sign but she didn’t, and her identity as a Christian does not, as I see it, hinge on it.

      B) Despite this one issue, her conduct otherwise over the years has been excellent, surely she can be cut some slack over it and we can give thanks for what she has achieved, none are perfect.

      • Martin

        PF

        Of course it won’t make a difference to her salvation if
        she is saved. But I’d expect a believer to act differently. This sites
        namesake died rather than betray the gospel and it was a gospel matter.

        • Peasant Farmer

          It was a disappointment, but on the occasion of her 90th birthday, do you have to dwell on that failing or can you give thanks for what she has done? She herself would probably echo St Paul, the good that I would, I do not…

          • Martin

            PF

            Yes, actually I do.

  • CliveM

    Ladies and Gentlemen

    Today is a day of thanksgiving, celebration and gratitude for the Reign and example of Her Majesty the Queen. His Grace has celebrated this with an excellent post.

    However it would appear that another old queen is resentful of the attention being given and is trying to elbow his way into the limelight.

    Let’s not let him.

    • Findaráto

      Wicked of you to refer to Jack like that. He won’t like it you know. It’s a sensitive issue with him. You know, we all know, and he knows we know, but we must never let on that we know because if it’s ever spoken out loud and his priest gets to hear about it, he’ll be excommunicated before you can say “confessional gloryhole”. And then it will just get ugly, with claims and counterclaims and DNA swabs…

      Best to let sleeping dogs lie, don’t you think?

      • You’re the only attention craving queen with disordered inclinations around here, Linus.

        • Findaráto

          My the what?

          Alzheimers particularly bad today, is it Jack? Never mind. Nothing lasts forever.

          • Pubcrawler

            Alzheimer’s

  • len

    The Queen didn`t oppose (publicly oppose ) gay marriage it is alleged( ‘The Queen’ from the house of Windsor that is) I can only think that the Queen assumed that David Cameron was carrying out the wishes of the electorate not on a one man mission to get his name in the history books and curry favour with the gay community?.

  • Anton

    As she was born in the early hours of the morning she has made it and I am now off to the pub to celebrate it.

    • CliveM

      Have one for me.