Mrs Proudie
Meditation and Reflection

Mrs Proudie: Sudden Jihadist Syndrome, Sultan Erdoğan, and nasty pieces of work

 

Goodness! The sun has had his hat on this week and Barchester has been baking hot: we have had to hose down the old gentlemen at Hiram’s Hospital several times – such fun to see them splashing about! As for oneself, the black bombazine has been laid aside in favour of light muslin, but the stays, like the poor, are always with us!

There’s not been much gossiped about in the salons this week. The madness in Nice last Friday shocked us to the core, and one wonders for how much longer people will tolerate the sight of dead children lying on the side of the road. What amazes me is the fuss made by the press when photographs of the little drowned refugee boy on the beach were published, and yet for those killed in France it is all candles, teddy bears and ‘please don’t go on about it’ or #JeSuisNice. The Archdeacon declared he was not going to take the waters at Bad Krautlingen-am-Gastarbeiter this summer in case a mad axe-man boarded the locomotive and attempted to give him a tonsure. A wise decision, but even in the peaceful Alpes-Maritime one is not safe from Sudden Jihadist Syndrome (SJS), especially if one is scantily dressed. The longer and hotter the summer becomes, the more spontaneous outbreaks of this crack-pot ideology can be expected. One shall stay in Barsetshire and drink in its many beautiful vistas and ancient charms.

The Jupiter reports on the ‘Fall of the Eagle’, the challenges to Comrade Corbynsk (for indeed there are many; most of them sartorial) and Mrs. Dismay’s first week in office. I must say, going off to tell the Germans she has no intention of triggering Article 50 until next year when she hasn’t bothered to tell the rest of us first was a bit rich. One wonders if she will be visiting some of those alternative cabarets in Berlin that Mr. Slope was telling us about. Perhaps not, but she wears the right sort of shoes.

Dr. Vesey Stanhope, out and about on his travels again, has had the misfortune to be stuck in Constantinople when the coup d’état was staged – staged being the operative word. His telegram indicated he was quite safe, but crowds of excited Musselmen have been attacking Christian churches as part of their fun and games and he was almost caught when visiting St. Burkha of the Foolish Dhimmis (as we now know, this falls under the jurisdiction of the Anglican Bishop of Europe). Having the presence of mind to dive under the ample skirts of Mrs Stanhope (whose bonnet was heavily veiled), they managed to sidle off without incident. The view from Barchester is that, whilst Sultan Erdogan is obviously a nasty piece of work, his methods of removing the opposition might profitably be engaged here with anti-Brexit agitators and Common Purpose plotters. Just a thought…

The Cathedral was honoured on Tuesday by a visit from the United States Ambassador, Hiram N. Fireham III, and his lovely wife Peggy-Sue. The Bishop and I gave them lunch – bacon and beans, a Western delicacy one understands – then a guided tour. But it soon became obvious that their knowledge and understanding of English history was negligible. After reassuring Mrs. Fireham that King Henry VI did not have eight wives and that ‘Piers Gavescon’ was something you took to prevent vomiting after watching Mr. Pugh-Morgan’s execrable magic-lantern shows, I asked if she was a Clintonite or a Trumper.

“I’m no Trumper,” she replied, aghast at the very idea.

One thought it best not to comment, but I will not be serving Western cuisine again for some time.
This afternoon I am taking the barouche to Hogglestock to give Mrs. Quiverful a copy of Marie Stopes’ latest instruction manual. One fears the horse has bolted, but one does what one can. Until next week my dears, keep eating the hobnobs… Farewell!

  • len

    ‘The eagle’ came, ‘the Eagle saw’, ‘the Eagle’ scarpered(if only Jeremy Corbyn would do the same?
    Being ‘a Trumper’ seems to be catching on over the pond Mrs Proudie but who knows where it will all end?.
    May your hobnobs never get stale…Farewell until next time….

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Ah dear len, the hobnobs are fresh every day! We do seem to get through a lot. I really have no idea what goes on over the pond, their politics seem to be straight out of Wonderland. They even have a Red Queen…

  • Anton

    “the black bombazine has been laid aside in favour of light muslin”

    In view of the rest of your post, Mrs Proudie, did you mean “muslim”?

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Good heavens no, dear Anton! I am sporting a gown modelled on the one Empress Eugenie wore at Biarritz …I just adore the flounces…so does Mr Slope.

  • CliveM

    An oasis of sanity and calm in an otherwise insane world, thank you.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Well dear Clive, the bishop may not agree with you (but thankfully he always agrees with me!) – kind words much appreciated. Hobnobs sent by special delivery…

  • IanCad

    I do hope you will continue to grace us with your Friday updates Mrs P.
    Farewell?? Is this it – The final column! Normally you end with a cheery Adieu! Or Good day! Thus treating us to the prospect of happy future enlightenment.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Just thought I’d vary the ending, so not a final farewell dear Ian…I am going to back for the foreseeable future. Consider the ‘farewell’ removed and an ‘Adieu’ popped in its place.

  • David

    Greetings Mrs Proudie, from East Anglia.
    Your weekly summary of events far and near is a most refreshing and amusing column, which is rapidly becoming a weekly staple of mine.
    Long may your politico-religious observations, wit and subtle writing skills continue. Give my finest regards to the Lord Bishop and the whole Cathedral Chapter.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Greetings to you dear David, and thank you for your kind words. You are either in the diocese of Ely or Norwich…both find cathedrals. On the other hand, you could possible come under Peterborough… I shall certainly pass on your greetings to the chapter here in Barchester.

      • Pubcrawler

        Or St Edmundsbury & Ipswich.

    • On the topic of Ely Cathedral below, I have several heavy folios of printed drawings, many in 1/2 and 1/3 scale, of all the stone tracery, plinths, carvings, stone work and floor tiling patterns and other masonry features. A friend has the complete plan views and elevation drawings. The details are so precise, we can duplicate the edifice from the foundation to the steeple gargoyles. A funny thought: My friend is about to purchase a 3D printer.

      • David

        We are 20 miles from the magnificent Ely Cathedral, in the County of Cambridgeshire. As you approach it rises before you, standing out well above the surrounding flat land, known as “fens”. Ely was built on an island surrounded by the low lying flooded land. The word “ely” is from Old Norse meaning island of eels, just as the island of Lundy (off South Wales) means, island of puffins (lund). We live near Bury St Edmunds, in the diocese of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich, which is virtually contiguous with the County of Suffolk. At present the structure of the cathedral is in a magnificent condition, although the maintenance work never ends.

  • Uncle Brian

    Dear, dear Mrs Proudie, I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but we are in the midst of a mild outbreak of SJS here in Brazil. Fourteen suspected cases were rounded up yesterday and are being held in quarantine. They are said to have been planning a terrorist attack during next month’s Olympic Games in Rio. The Defence Minister, interviewed on television, described them as “an unstructured group of very young amateurs”. One of the fourteen bears the unusual name, for an SJS patient, of Levi Ribeiro Fernandes de Jesus.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      Goodness! Brazil has never been the same since they deposed poor Emperor Pedro…as long as you are safe dear Uncle Brian.

      • One imagines that Uncle will wisely avoid the Olympic brouhaha and take safer summer lodging among the comparatively gentle Yanomamo in the interior.

        • Uncle Brian

          You guess correctly, Avi. The Brian household will remain firmly in place, out here in the sticks in the comparatively safe company of boa constrictors and tarantulas. (Actually, not many of either—they’re too scared of our dogs to get anywhere near the house.)

          • Tarantulas. Yikes! Mind you, everything being relative, they come off as cute and cuddly compared to the hairy jihadis.

          • Uncle Brian

            There are worse places for tarantulas. A friend who lived in Jerusalem for a time told me they get some large, highly dangerous spiders in the apartments and office buildings there. Here in South America they don’t seem to have adapted to the urban environment. You only ever find them in the countryside.

          • Yes. True. I don’t like to dwell on that. Israeli guests in our house sometimes freak when they see the spiders we never kill…and even gently move away from dangerous areas. But in Ontario we have no dangerous spiders and indoor ones keep annoying bugs at bay. Plus they are smallish, light coloured and quite endearing.

          • Uncle Brian

            Plus they are smallish, light coloured and quite endearing.

            The same goes for our house spiders here. We never kill them, either, for the same reason.

            One of the details of God’s creation that constantly amazes me is the web that one species weave in the garden. The circular web is about one foot across, and it is suspended between two trees or bushes, held in place by four threads in an X shape, two to each tree. Each of these threads can be up to about three feet long. The threads are too thin to see in normal light, you only see them glinting in the sunshine when you’re standing at a certain angle to them. The curious part is this. The spider that makes them is tiny, with very short legs. Even if you were to spread its legs out flat, the whole spider, legs and all, wouldn’t cover the diameter of an AA battery, say a half-inch. I don’t know how it manages to put those long threads in place. I’ve been told that it does it by swinging from side to side, using itself as a pendulum. Even so, it’s an amazing feat of engineering. And I think, though it’s difficult to be certain, that it spins a new web every morning.

          • Dreadnaught

            Fascinating nature at its very best! Maybe the spider glues the first thread then scuttles down the trunk trailing the thread behind it; goes across the grass and up the other tree and secures it in the low position. It then does the opposite one the same way making the cross. You must post how its really does it if you find out Brian. Great post btw.

          • Uncle Brian

            Thank you for your kind words, Dredders. I’ll keep my eyes peeled. If I’m ever lucky enough to discover the definitive answer to the spider’s web mystery, you have my promise you’ll be the first to know!

          • Anton

            Only out of necessity. I’d expect that it will repair a damaged web and spin a new one only if the old one is too badly damaged.

          • Uncle Brian

            I’ve never seen a web in the same place two days running. That’s what makes me think they move somewhere else every day.

          • Anton

            Alternative hypothesis: they catch something at least once a day and the process wrecks the web. But I don’t know; the only reason why I prefer my hypothesis is that I don’t think a spider would scrap a web without good reason. Perhaps the material of the web doesn’t last long?

          • Uncle Brian

            The threads are very fine, as I said, practically invisible in normal light unless they happen to catch the sunlight, when they shine red and blue, like a rainbow. I know that spider silk is one of the strongest materials found in nature, but even so …

          • Anton

            A large boa constrictor will not be scared of a dog, but the dog should be scared of the snake.

          • Uncle Brian

            Our local boas are said to be very lazy. They’re usually to be spotted lying in the sun, either on a roof or stretched out along the top of a wall. Never on our roof, though!

          • Pubcrawler

            Benefit scroungers!

    • Anton

      They were located thanks to help from the US security services and Mossad. Doesn’t this make it obvious who are the good guys in world politics!

    • chefofsinners

      An unstructured group of very young amateurs? The shadow cabinet is in Brazil?

  • Politically__Incorrect

    Goodness Mrs P. You are right about the coverage of Nice on the magic lantern. On the day of the attack I watched in horror, not just at the attack, but the way Channel 4 News handled it. First, they pulled in their own Muslim presenter to cover the story, complete with headscarf. Then, Jon Snow, trawled the crowd to find probably the only Muslim family to be caught up in the attack in order to interview them. It was some of the most contrived reporting I’ve ever seen, designed to show as that the Mohammedans are actually nice people because most of them don’t go around shouting “allahu Akbar” before dispatching hoards of innocent souls. It’s a pity that Jon Snow wasn’t one of those elderly gentlemen you hosed down – it might knock some sense into him.

    • Dreadnaught

      Sadly almost every domestic news/forum footage it seems, must have a Muslim or two if not centre stage then covered by the camera shots of the audience.
      Yet we are told that racial profiling is denied to police and Border Agencies and just about any other government department currently hogtied by political correctness. – As the Warden said in Cool Hand Luke;
      “what we have here Luke, is a failure to communicate”

      What we have here is racism in reverse. What we have here is the abject surrender of common sense and no better example for that here:

      http://www.st-johns.bournemouth.sch.uk/y2-visit-to-a-mosque/

      • Inspector General

        You keep shaking that bush, Dredders….

        • Dreadnaught

          Shakin here Boss!

          • chefofsinners

            I can eat fifty hobnobs.

          • Dreadnaught

            Tight as a drum Chief – ponk!

  • Methinks, Mrs P, that after the US elections I will confine my readings on world events to your Portrait of the Week. Herein it seems one may always find a fine distillation of all the news, analysis and opinion a gentleman would need to present himself as a worldly and knowledgeable good egg in polite society. Without the lurid gore, the ads and the click-bait, elegantly presented on a burnished silver platter, served with endless cups of aromatic Earl Grey and made more potable and digestible with nibbles of heavenly hobnobs between courses. A good weekend to you!

  • Inspector General

    The heat brings about madness in people, Mrs Proudie. For some reason best known to themselves, the pasty faced inhabitants of this island choose 1 o’clock British Summer Time to emerge from their hovels to subject their hides to solar radiation at its most intense. All normal people would be looking to cool the blood at this time of day, but not our crowd…One blames the lack of grammar schools for the shortage of normal people these days, you know!

    Further to the recent referendum, a work colleague who blames the Inspector, and the Inspector alone, for ruining his two children’s future by voting out is now trying to run down said Inspector with a motor car. Something else to be wary of on the journey to and from work, other than axe wielding muslims heading for the rail station and impromptu #blacklivesmatter demonstrations with bottles flying around and associated stabbings.

    Still, it’s always much much worse abroad as they say but not today – the Inspectorate is once again indebted to that organ of on-line aggrieved buggery, Pink News, for more madness although not heat inflicted in this case…
    ———————————————–
    A report has urged the UK Parliament to introduce gender-neutral toilets – though there are currently no transgender MPs.
    The recommendation was made in The Good Parliament Report, commissioned by Commons speaker John Bercow.
    The report, which was authored by Bristol University’s Professor of Politics and Gender Sarah Childs, makes a number of recommendations on how to improve accessibility to Parliament for MPs, staff and visitors.
    Among the string of recommendations are an end to the ban on breastfeeding in the Commons chamber, a new format to make Prime Minister’s Questions less male-dominated, and a commitment to ensuring artworks across Parliament feature women and minorities.
    One recommendation is to introduce gender neutral toilets “to be planned for a future sex/gender parity and diverse Parliament”.
    ————————————————-
    For the artworks, one cannot think of a better suited pair of oils hanging in the commons than Mr Miliband portrayed tackling a bacon sandwich next to Edvard Munch’s The Scream. Failing that, perhaps an expertly executed work of a young African girl being genitally mutilated. That would have everything. An oppressed gender, an oppressed minority, and a celebration of an oppressed culture, and NO men. The crime – in the best of tradition – being carried out by dried out old granny, bless her. As for a new format for PMQ, now we have Mrs May as Prime Minister there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for men to be present at all. Bercow, see to it, will you…and don’t let any of those slippery male rogues tell you they are ‘transgendering for the day’ in order to be present.

    The Inspector will leave you, dear lady, with his ever present dream of one day being offered a professorship in faecal matter by one of the better learning establishments in this country. He is sure that if pushed, and the money being right, he could do far worse than Sarah Child’s dash to degeneracy…

    Pip! Pip!

    • IanCad

      Inspector,
      I just made the mistake of Googling that there Sarah Childs. I now need a drink – several.
      Dear Lord! That the taxpayer supports such types is evidence that things won’t have to get much worse before the cup overflows. What a waste of a life! It was a black day indeed when women got the vote. We men have much to answer for. These Equalitarians have to be confronted.

      • Inspector General

        Indeed, Ian. These Equestrian rotters are worse than muslims…By the way, it looks like at least one follower of the religion of peace has gone ‘shopping’ in Munich…

        • Inspector General

          It’s unfurling to be a massacre in Munich, fellows. Our thoughts now for our European friends and comrades therein.

          • Dreadnaught

            It can’t be Muslims they’re all dahn t’Mosk innit.

      • Anton

        Don’t blame Sarah Childs. It’s her position that’s worthless. Who would not wish to get a professor’s salary in applied nonsense?

        • CliveM

          How much?

          • Anton

            It’s negotiable rather than fixed nowadays, but in the high tens of thousands.

          • CliveM

            Really! Blimey I can see the temptation.

  • chefofsinners

    So you are a Trumpette, dear lady? No doubt Mr Slope thought you said Strumpette. Thank goodness your muslin is a religion of peace, otherwise he might have received a blow, so to speak. Let us hope he steers clear of your Clintonite. We all saw how it made Superman go weak at the knees.

  • Inspector General

    Could be economic migrants adjusting to life in the West. These things take time, you know…

    • CliveM

      I suppose coming from Iraq you wouldn’t know that killing civilians is wrong.

      • Inspector General

        Well, unbelievers…

        • CliveM

          Or different sects.

          • Inspector General

            Oh no! The Inspector reports unexpected movements in his lower bowel. That means another CoE, Islam ecumenical is being planned even as he breaks wind…

  • sarky

    Apparently the guy yelled ‘I’m German’ and ‘f##k foreigners’ before opening fire.
    It’s also five years to the day since anders breivik went on his rampage.
    Somehow I doubt it’s coincidence.

    • The Explorer

      It’s also happening at the shopping centre next to the Olympic stadium where Black September killed the Israeli athletes.

      Since there are conflicting reports about fatalities and about whether there is one gunman or three we’ll have to wait for more data before we can draw any conclusions.

      • Anton

        It’s almost a mile from the stadium, actually (I know Munich fairly well), but the stadium is the nearest landmark. It’s slightly nearer the site of the 1972 murders.

    • CliveM

      Yep I may have jumped to an erroneous conclusion.

    • CliveM
      • Ivan M

        Hajjs again.

        • CliveM

          The BBC are suggesting right wing extremists, the DM jihadists. We will find out soon.

          • Uncle Brian

            The BBC and the DM are in full agreement, then. Jihadists are right-wing extremists.

          • Ivan M

            Seems like a right-wing extremist of strange provenance. Not the Hajjs this time.

    • Anton

      The mass murderer in Munich was a German of Iranian ancestry whose name was Ali David Sonboly. The BBC has consistently referred to him in its reports of the atrocity as “David Sonboly.”

      This organisation needs privatising with no delay.

  • William Lewis

    This Sudden Jihadist Syndrome seems to be highly contagious. #JeSuis*#@&£#£*

  • Phil R

    SJS.

    Brilliant.

  • bluedog

    Splendid work, Mrs P. Are you able to ensure, through the good offices of the Stanhopes (any relation to Lady Hester, such a dear?) that the Sultan in the Sublime Porte does not ‘twin’ his fair city with Washington DC? This should be discouraged.

    One fears that President-Assumptive Trump and the Sultan have much in common and should not be allowed to compare notes. One has dark visions of President-Assumptive Trump and his coterie declaring a three month state of emergency immediately after carriages are called at the end of the Inaugural Ball.

  • The Explorer

    Home-grown, but of immigrant stock and with an identity crisis. A Muslim, but not a Sunni. Hmm. Why couldn’t it just have been an evangelical Christian acting out the violent precepts of his religion? The BBC would have loved that.

    • Dreadnaught

      Enlighten me to what they are please.

  • David

    So a total of nine died in Munich, and many were injured. That’s three terror attacks in France and Germany in eight days, Nice, on the German train and now Munich. The pace and scale of the attacks is increasing.
    All the attackers were Muslims and most of the victims non-Muslim, westerners. But of course that broadcaster for idiots, the BBC, will maintain that this appalling violence is nothing to do with Islam. Does anybody still believe the BBC ?

    • The Explorer

      I’m willing to accept that the Orlando, Nice and Munich killers all had psychological problems. But it cannot be coincidence that they were also all Muslims.

      You can be an adherent of any religion and have psychological problems. (Cowper, for instance, was a Christian, but still a manic-depressive). That’s the legacy of the Fall. But not many religions seem to teach that there is virtue in resolving your problems by killing a lot of other people.

      One religion, though, does seem to have this precept. And it is acted on. Time and time and time again.

      It’s a double whammy. The mentally unstable can find justification for their actions; but so can the perfectly sane who merely wish to serve their God.

      • Ivan M

        A Rastaman hits the bong,
        A Catholic whips himself.
        A Buddhist immolates himself.
        A Jew dives into old books…

        Only the adherents of this particular religion feel justified to take the rest of us with them when they loose the handle. Yes it has been shown beyond any doubt, that Islam is the cause of all this carnage.

        • Ivan M

          Any religion that does not teach that the source of evil is within the self is bound to produce bitter fruits.

          • Anton

            Superb comment! Well said.

          • Ivan M

            Thank you sir.

      • David

        Quite. I’ve read the Koran and it horrified me. Since then their actions have been much clearer.

        • Anton

          It’s not an easy read – the chapters, comprising (according to Muslims) distinct revelations to Muhammad, are arranged in order of length and not chronologically through his life. To make better sense if it, get hold of Guillaume’s translation of the Sirat Rasul Allah, the only ancient Islamic biography of Muhammad. It fills out the whole thing and you will find it not less shocking.

          • Dreadnaught

            Its (Koran) designed by Arabs to confuse, conquer and control in perpetuity of their own existence. It is more corrupt than Mein Kampf, which is banned in its homeland; yet the German government (and the UK) has welcomed it with ignorant abandon.

    • Pubcrawler
      • Politically__Incorrect

        Does anybody still believe the BBC ?
        The long answer is NO

        • Dreadnaught

          It should be renamed as the Basic Bullshit Con-trick.

      • David

        Excellent site – I’ve bought two badges and I shall wear one, on appropriate occasions, with a delicious anticipation of the effects it may have on liberals. Many thanks.

      • Politically__Incorrect

        Also, has anybody else noticed how the gynocracy known as the BBC is replacing all its male newsreaders with skeevy-looking blondes?

        • Pubcrawler

          Not me: I’ve been telly (and telly-tax) free for a number of years now.

        • CliveM

          I watched some airhead on the BBC asking questions at the Merkel May press conference. First year media study students would have been more impressive.

      • Anton

        The mass murderer in Munich was a German of Iranian ancestry whose name was Ali David Sonboly. The BBC has consistently referred to him in its reports of the atrocity as “David Sonboly.”

        This organisation needs privatising without delay.

  • grandpa1940

    I am all for a light touch, a sense of humour when it comes to commenting upon issues in this world of ours; I even believe that I have cracked the odd joke or two myself on inappropriate occasions: but I honestly do believe that satire, or sarcasm, or whatever term is suitable for your post, is less than welcome, especially by the families of those mown down by a muslim terrorist on the pavements of the Promenade des Anglais.

    Obviously, you are the author of your blog posts, and should be able to defend your viewpoint; and in general, your posts on the welfare, authority and actions of the Anglican church are both to the point, and apposite’ but ‘SJS’, and other trite observations which treat a deadly serious massacre are slightly unworthy of either your mythical female correspondent, or yourself.

    • Dreadnaught

      A trite harsh there Gramps; humour, especially dark humour has been the last redoubt of sanity in a mad world; we British invented it (well we claim it anyway).

    • Politically__Incorrect

      grandpa, or “gampy” as we say here in Wales, we have plenty of serious discussion on this blog, and I don’t think anybody takes these issues lightly. On the contrary, many of us are at risk of spontaneous combustion over events like those in Nice. In defence of Mrs P., I believe her satire is directed more at the way the media and the liberal establishment views these things than at the acts themselves.

      • David

        In Wales eh ? What part may I ask ? Although of English descent I was brought up in S.Wales. But once I went to an English University at 18 I never returned, not permanently anyway.

        • Politically__Incorrect

          Cardiff is my current home David; the Welsh city with indoor toilets and electricity. I’m English too, but have lived in Wales since 1990

          • Pubcrawler

            26 years?! That’s more than the train-robbers got 🙂

          • Politically__Incorrect

            Yeah, I was going to be released early for good behaviour until I joked about the indoor toilets.

          • Uncle Brian

            And yet Irish Neanderthal is the one who posts cryptic comments in Welsh.

          • Pubcrawler

            Whatever you do, don’t tell the joke about the sheep tied to the lamppost.

          • Politically__Incorrect

            Yes, the sheep here have a very guilty look on their faces

          • David

            Ahh Cardiff ! I spent two years there in the 70s as a post-grad. student and it was a bit dreary then. But like many UK cities it has improved itself a lot, and now it is a pleasant place. I was last there to view the Dylan Thomas exhibition.

            My dad, God rest his soul, was an engineer and helped to build and then later run, what was in the late 40s, after “his” war service, a new integrated steel plant for Port Talbot. He had been building the classic London buses, but was tempted to South Wales by cheaper housing and higher salaries. We lived outside that very industrial steel town in what was, at the time, an idyllic small village. Our village was a great place in which to spend a very adventurous boyhood.

          • Anton

            Dylan is not the best Welsh poet with the surname Thomas…

          • Politically__Incorrect

            Yes indeed. Cardiff has come along in leaps and bounds over the past few decades. Also, I like the Welsh people’s sense of patriotism, not just for Wales, but also for the UK and the monarchy. I have often thought the English lacked the same level of patriotism, though since the Brexit vote I probably need to re-evaluate that opinion

          • David

            Interesting comments.
            There is certainly far too much cynicism in England. It is fashionable amongst the left to be anti-British in general. To be against specific ills, that require remedy, is rational and sensible. But I find that an attitude that is generally anti-patriotic, and anti-British in general, is often linked to a whinging slightly unattractive personality.

          • Anton

            I visit Cardiff quite often and always greatly enjoy it. (NB I’m English and live in England.)

          • James60498 .

            I am English but lived in Wales for three years. North Wales though and I only made it to Cardiff once. It was a VERY long way on small roads.

    • Anton

      How dare you suggest she is mythical, Sir?

      More seriously, she is making serious points in a satirical style, and satire is a perfectly serious form of takedown of her targets. Jews make mordant humour about their past in Europe.

      • CliveM

        Absolutely.

    • len

      Some people have an indomitable spirit and it is their sense of humour/irony/(whatever you wish to call it) that carries them through difficult if not impossible situations. We are all different and have different responses to different situations. Islamic fundamentalists are trying to force people to submit to Islam and the response to them by some is not to cower in fear but to openly reject their brutal methods. Mrs Proudie showed the same spirit during her recent loss.

      • CliveM

        Here here.

        • Hear, hear.

          • CliveM

            Copycat!

          • Um, a correction. I thought only Americans wrote “here, here” as opposed to the correct “hear, hear.” You spent too much time in the US, didn’t you; off to a re-education camp for emergency Real English remediation for you!

          • CliveM

            Clearly I’ve been reading to much Carl. Will write this out ten times for punishment!

    • dannybhoy

      Mrs Proudie brings a welcome touch of Humour and wit delivered in a very Hinglish “hupper clarss” way that particularly appeals to a certain sort of Hinglishman what happreciates the nuarnces of clarss distinction..
      Her literary style coupled with the rustle of (blush) well ironed crinolines is enough to turn some ‘staht Hinglish knees’ to water grandpa.
      It’s serious stuff wrapped up in delicious humour. Please persevere -or if you stay read only the comments of our more sober sided contributors like Martin and er, ‘H’anton….

      • CliveM

        I agree

      • Anton

        Thank you for the compliment but I don’t understand the ‘h’ before my name?

        • dannybhoy

          Quite deserved Anton old boy!
          The inappropriate ‘haitch’ is a throwback to earlier (Victorian onwards) times, when people knew their place in the social order and some of the lower class thought an extra and unnecessary ‘haitch’ added to the solemnity and dignity of social intercourse with one’s betters..

          • Anton

            Got it!

    • Inspector General

      Sir. Evil corrodes the soul. Humour is a natural detoxicant to that evil. The only people who don’t laugh are the insane. One wonders the last time the Munich gunman laughed, if he ever did. Has one said enough?

  • Dreadnaught

    Does anyone feel as I do that the world as perceived through the filter of MSM is of doom and gloom? That we can see what the gutless politicians insist is not happening before our eyes in our own Country and to the very fabric of societies throughout Europe? The sheer frustration of it all makes me at times, want to whack the nation with a shrub a la Cleese.
    I came across this film recently, making the case for an LEAVE vote that I find positively invigourating. I didn’t see it before the referendum but it makes so much sense if Dellingpole, Davis, Lawson, Lee et al, don’t come bearing false counsel.
    Make yourself an hour to check it out – it certainly lifted my jaded spirits.

    https://dotsub.com/view/8724474e-92e3-4322-ba4b-e3a2b497a34f?utm_source=player&utm_medium=embed#.V1s22kHFl6E.facebook

    • carl jacobs

      The Social Democratic parties of Europe and their Media allies don’t know what to do about the problem. They are ideologically committed to the notion that Religion is incidental. So they dither and hope it will just work itself out somehow. Their big fear is not the next massacre but the reaction to the next massacre. Their goal is to smooth reaction in order to play for time on the assumption that time will transform Islam.

      But of course time won’t transform Islam. And simply refusing to accept what is plain to see will only frustrate the voters. It will lead to the reaction they are trying to prevent. This I think is the source of “doom and gloom”. The ruling political consensus can’t act, but fears the consequence of not acting.

      • David

        Exactly Carl. They are trapped within the paradigm that all cultures and faiths are of equal value and that, in time, secular Humanism will triumph over all religions, which will simply fade away. But the world is now more religious than ever. Indeed where value systems rub against one another, like gigantic continental plates rubbing against each other, at fault lines if you like, terrible violent events occur with increasing frequency and ferocity. The self-styled political “elite” simply do not know what to do about the terrible effects from the failed theories. I suspect that they will try to hold down, with increasing force, the victim majority populations. But that will only delay the awful day of reckoning.

      • Dreadnaught

        I totally agree, especially with your observation regarding the anticipated reaction to atrocities being more of a focus than the crime itself.

      • Anton

        Yes. We are going to have to get used to living like the Jews do in Israel, and taking the same precautions. We should look to them for the details.

        • David

          Sadly you are right. We are under a siege, of sorts.

  • Uncle Brian

    Cardinal Raymond Burke has said there is “no question that Islam wants to govern the world”, and … too few people understood the tradition of Islamic thought on government: that, when Muslims became a majority population, “they have the religious obligation to govern that country.

    It’s only a brief book review, but there’s good stuff in it.

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/cardinal-burke-its-reasonable-to-be-afraid-of-islams-desire-to-govern-the-world/

    • dannybhoy

      We only have to read our history books to understand that Islam set out to conquer the world by the sword. The ascendancy of the Western world happened as Islam was sinking into stagnation and impotence.
      When the West began to lose faith in Christianity, it arrogantly assumed the rest of the world held their religious faith(s) would instead worship the new Western gods of secularism, personal indulgence and consumerism.
      They were obviously wrong.

    • David

      I agree. Some of the Catholic theologians are better expressed and clearer thinkers on this topic than I find amongst Protestant theologians.
      Indeed I totally agree with The Cardinal’s prescription for the cure – to fortify the Christian foundations of our own society.

      • Anton

        You don’t need to be a theologian (Catholic or protestant) to see this about Islam, for heaven’s sake!

        • David

          True !
          But you state the exceedingly obvious.
          However it helps to be a prominent church leader to get articles published and noticed.

        • carl jacobs

          Sure. But if you once admit it is about Islam, then you are compelled to act upon that admission. The question immediately becomes “So now what do we do?” The secular Liberal ideology that governs Europe has no answer to that question. Therefore it refuses to allow the question to even be put upon the table.

          If it did otherwise, it would have to reassess its historical relationship to Christianity. But Europe currently prides itself on having severed its link to Christianity, and the incorporation of Islam into Europe was supposed to be the validation of that decision. Hence the ideological confusion.

          • Anton

            Yes; but secularists could always redefine Islam (correctly) as a political movement. They are then on familiar territory.

            What’s your take on the McCarthy era, please, Carl? My own view – which is not that of the secular left, of course – is that he was essentially correct but an alcoholic incompetent.

          • carl jacobs

            There was Communist penetration of the Government (ala the spy Alger Hiss) but Communism has never carried the stigma of Nazism. You see this in Europe today, where the Communist party is treated as an ordinary party, while there are vapors suffered over “far right extremists”. If McCarthy had gone after Nazis, he would have been a cultural hero. Instead he went after Leftists who didn’t think their Communist connections (either past or present) required all that much repentance. The fact that he was a drunken incompetent who made wild accusations only served to shield those who should have suffered scrutiny.

            I think there are two reasons for this.

            1. No western power ever drove tanks into the Soviet Union and carved it open for all to see. We know what the Russian Communists did in the abstract. We saw what the Nazis did in visceral color.

            2. The Left in the West could never truly distance itself from the Soviet Union because so many of the Leftist seminal works were reflected in Soviet practice. So they have protected it in some sense in order to inoculate themselves. “Soviet Communism was a noble ideal badly executed. Nazism is a vicious barbarity.” The ability of the Left to define Nazism in opposition to itself has been of huge tactical advantage in Western politics.

          • Anton

            Thank you; I agree entirely. I like to remind the left that Nazi is a German acronym for National Socialist.

          • Uncle Brian

            “So now what do we do?”

            Carl, some people’s answer – though it’s really only a pseudo answer or surrogate answer, not a true answer at all – is to forge ahead with “ever closer union” within the EU. I think that would help to explain the incoherent rage that some Remainers have been displaying since they lost the referendum. They are refusing to examine their own motives for voting the way they did. They can’t see, or don’t want to admit, that there is a need to answer that question at all.

          • carl jacobs

            The problem is that any effective answer to that question likely begins with stuffing the ECHR into a box. Along with a fair bit of the International Law that Europeans love so much. That’s the horrible dilemma that faces Europe right now, and why the current power structure in Europe is immobilized.

  • James60498 .

    Been away.

    Spent last night on the floor at Frankfurt Airport due in part to this insane law.
    http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSLNE83300W20120404

    You may have already seen this but I thought it worth bringing to attention. I have ordered one.

    http://the-bonny-badge-company.myshopify.com/products/38mm-badge-is-that-true-or-did-you-hear-it-on-the-bbc

    • Pubcrawler

      No, he spent it… well, there’s a clue in the name.

  • David

    The BBC has been caught out trying to “sever” any links, in the public’s perception, between the Munchen killer and Islam. His name is apparently, Ali David Sonboly. So the BBC dropped the Ali and just used David Sonboly. But this was exposed by the excellent, free thinking Breitbart London and its editor Raheem Kassam, who is part of Ukip of course.

    I suggest that as the “inaccuracy” of the BBC is now so bad, and clearly deliberate, that we encourage people to visit the website below and wear the badges which say:-

    “Is that true or did you hear it on the BBC”?

    Try : – http:[email protected]

    Badges are only £1.50 a go, with free P + P.

    Mockery is a powerful political weapon.

    • Inspector General

      Named after Ali ibn Abi Talib, the cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad, ruling over the Islamic caliphate from 656 to 661.

      He must have been a bundle of laughs…

      • Or even Muhammed Ali ….. you know the boxer.
        Actually, Jack has read his family were secularist and his first names were David Ali.

        • David

          Is that the same kind of secularist as some of the media initially claimed for the Nice truck driver – you know the one who became very religiously observant in the months preceding his murderous act.

          • Nope … but then they’re from Iran originally so, obviously, they’re extremist fanatics and were probably feigning a lack of religion. You know what Muslims are like.

          • carl jacobs

            Oh btw Jack. I have officially decided that I won’t vote for the Felon. So, that kind of renders moot the whole “shoot myself” scenario. I know you will be glad to have me around in January. Lord willing.

          • Jack is pleased, Carl. He has considered the Republican policies and, as a Christian, if he were American, would feel duty bound in conscience to vote for the Trump-Pence ticket, despite the former being an idiot and the latter a heretical (ex)Catholic.

          • carl jacobs

            No! I refuse to accept this! There must be another way!

          • Ivan M

            Hey as long as you don’t go ‘postal worker’.

          • It’s that or a continuation of the attack on Christianity by the Demoncrats.

          • carl jacobs

            So you are trying to get me from denial to anger?

            Heh. I thought it was a typo at first. Humorous. A little unfair. But humorous.

          • ,,, and onto acceptance and resignation, Carl.

          • carl jacobs

            Always willing to help, aren’t you. You must have been a mental health professional.

            So what was with all the “Shoot! Shoot! You promised you would shoot!” stuff, then, huh?

          • Testing your resolve.

          • carl jacobs

            Oh, yeah. I’m sure that’s what they taught you at school. “Encourage him to shoot!”

          • Ever heard of the paradoxical injunction? Google it.

          • carl jacobs

            Don’t even try. You are just rationalizing after the fact.

          • It just comes naturally after 30 odd years of practice.

          • carl jacobs

            And anyways … How does the instruction to “Shoot!” render impossible the act of shooting?

            And why did you assume I would have to google that phrase? That was rather presumptuous on your part.

          • You did Google it, didn’t you? Read a bit more about its therapeutic use as a double-bind.

          • carl jacobs

            The fact that I might have googled it is utterly irrelevant to the fact of your presumptuous presumption.

          • Touchdown!

          • carl jacobs

            Did you not notice the word “might” in that sentence?

          • Conversion!

          • carl jacobs

            What?

          • carl jacobs

            So I finally figured out what you were trying to say. Let’s explain some NFL vocabulary.

            A team can attempt an extra point after a touchdown. A team can attempt a two-point conversion after a touchdown. No one refers to an extra point as a one-point conversion. You might hear “He converted the extra point” on rare occasion. The typical verb is “made” however. Or “The extra point is good.” Generally conversion is reserved for use with first-downs. As in “He converted on third down” or “Their third down conversion rate is really good.”

          • Is Wiki wrong about the rules of … er … Gridiron?

            The touchdown (TD), worth six points, is the most valuable scoring play in American football Gridiron …. The scoring team then attempts a try or conversion, more commonly known as the point(s)-after-touchdown (PAT), which is a single scoring opportunity. A PAT is most commonly attempted from the two- or three-yard line, depending on the level of play. If scored by a placekick or dropkick through the goal posts, it is worth one point, and is typically called the extra point. If it is scored by what would normally be a touchdown, it is called the two-point conversion and is worth two points.

          • carl jacobs

            The noun “try” does not exist in Football. That’s a Rugby term. PAT is something you only see on a score sheet. I don’t know who wrote that article. I can only give you the functional vocabulary of football as I have learned it over the past 50 years. “Conversion” in that context did not connect.

            You should have said “Touchdown!” followed by “Extra point is good!” That’s the natural flow.

          • Okay- amended.

          • carl jacobs

            And anyways! How did we get away from the subject your arrogant presumption about whether I would recognize that word?

          • IanCad

            A good debate between you and Carl. Merit on both sides. But why Jack? Why? Do you spoil it with your declaration that Trump is an idiot. Call him what you will but idiot he is not.

          • Uncle Brian

            You’re abstaining? Or have I misunderstood?

          • carl jacobs

            Don’t know.

      • David

        Pretty nifty with the scimitar apparently. But never touched either whiskey, ale or even Guiness so yes, as you say, not much fun.

  • In the Age of ISIS, Who’s a Terrorist, and Who’s Simply Deranged?

    Interesting article written several days ago after the Nice atrocity.

    “The age of the Islamic State, in which the tools of terrorism appear increasingly crude and haphazard, has led to a reimagining of the common notion of who is and who is not a terrorist.

    Instances of wanton violence by deranged attackers — whether in Nice or in Orlando, Fla. — are swiftly judged to be the work of terrorists. These judgments occur even when there is little immediate evidence that the attackers had direct ties to terrorist groups and when they do not fit a classic definition of terrorists as those who use violence to advance a political agenda.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/world/europe/in-the-age-of-isis-whos-a-terrorist-and-whos-simply-deranged.html?action=click&contentCollection=Europe&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

    • Inspector General

      These three latest massacres. In each case, you have a muslim who has tired of life in the West and wants out. He decides to curry favour with Allah by notching up a few infidel corpses. It’s alright, you see, the Koran allows this. So there you have it, suicide plus with bonus points, if you will. The Inspector is usually right about these things, you know…

      • Ivan M

        The theory fits the earlier two events. In this latest one, the young man targeted Turks. The Brevik inspiration is credible. It would be interesting to see how he obtained his gun.

        • Inspector General

          It’s quite possible that his dark looks attracted derogatory comments from the German indigenous. He is reported to have shouted that he was a German too. So, we’ll leave him out – he had other mental issues to the others.

          • Influenced by Anders Behring Breivik, a Norwegian far-right terrorist who committed the 2011 Norway attacks, killing 8 people by detonating a van bomb then shot dead 69 participants of a Workers’ Youth League (AUF) summer camp?

            Not a Muslim so he doesn’t count? Breivik chose to be confirmed into the Lutheran Church of Norway at the age of 15.

          • carl jacobs

            Breivik is notable principally for his uniqueness. BTW. Why isn’t he dead?

          • Unique action, yes, but not unique views.

            In his “Manifesto” he states its author is “100 percent Christian”, but not “excessively religious”. He considers himself a “cultural Christian” and a “modern-day crusader”. Regarding the term cultural Christian, which he says means preserving European culture, he notes, “It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy…)” Furthermore, Breivik said “myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God.”

            Now who do these views remind one of?

          • carl jacobs

            What you should be concerned about is this. If your gov’ts don’t collectively do something to stop these random attacks you are going to see many, many, many more like him. It won’t matter if a few of them had rough childhoods. What will matter are all the dead bodies under truck tires. And the gov’ts that get elected as a result.

          • Do you know his history? There are plenty of potential Breiviks out there all waiting for the right trigger.

            Terrorists can be dealt with. Lone mentally ill individuals cannot be – Muslim or otherwise. It’s those who exploit the actions of such individuals who are to be feared.

          • carl jacobs

            No one in Norway is fearful of being killed on a train by another Breivik. That is not true when it comes to fear of Muslims. If you think this attack is going to be considered a one-off, you are dreaming. It’s going to be stacked up with all the other Islamic attacks – fair or not.

            You didn’t answer my question. Do you think these attacks by Islamists spring from the heart of Islam or not?

          • Yes and no. Islamists – yes. Lone crazy individual – not necessarily.

          • Anton

            Muhammad spoke sharply against “munafiqun” – meaning “hypocrites” – who soaked up his words and joined his movement but wouldn’t do what he said. At that time what his movement was doing was largely raiding desert convoys of traders, a profession which generally involves killing them.

          • chefofsinners

            The crucial difference here is that there is a large, organised group of Muslims influencing the vulnerable to commit acts of terror in the name of Islam. There is no comparable influence coming from Christianity.

          • Think of all the killing done in the name of Christ in times past. Evil exists in all cultures and in all people.

          • chefofsinners

            In the past, yes. But we live (and die) in the present.
            There are peaceful ideologies which are hijacked for evil and there are evil ideologies which some will claim are peaceful.

          • IanCad

            Because Carl, they do punishment differently in Norway.

            Get your head around this:

            http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html

          • carl jacobs

            Nice they are so concerned about his psychological welfare. Me, I would have just hung him by the neck until he was dead. But I’m not so enlightened in these modern ways of dealing with mass murderers.

            I assume the parents of all those dead kids will think it all worthwhile when he emerges from prison all rehabilitated and stuff…

          • IanCad

            If I remember correctly, the poor victims were doubly cursed. Cut off in their prime by a monster and raised in particularly leftish families. Perhaps, as you suggested, the parents will think the sacrifice was for a good cause. The superior socialist is a weird and dangerous beast.

          • Maybe …. not everyone wants to seek revenge.

          • carl jacobs

            Not everyone seeks after justice either.

          • …. or mercy.

          • carl jacobs

            The Officer does not exist to dispense mercy. He is responsible to administer justice commensurate with the crime. When he fails to do so, justice is not done.

          • No, but the Judge can dispense justice.

          • carl jacobs

            The Judge would be the officer in this context. And he manifestly did not dispense justice in the case of Breivik.

          • Jack meant mercy ….

          • carl jacobs

            That’s not his responsibility

          • Anton

            The answer is not only that Norway doesn’t have capital punishment. Most people who go on a mass killing spree shot themselves are are shot by police snipers, but Breivik didn’t.

          • carl jacobs

            That question something of a trap for Jack, but he kept well clear of it. 😉

      • When the nation was Christian, the mentally ill tended to present with delusions of a religious nature – demons, devils and Christ fantasies. Then when science fiction became popular the delusions tended to be of aliens and space ships.

        The cultural context will shape and form the direction of one’s illness. However, can one justly blame a whole religion and its sacred text for the actions of a few madmen? Would you blame Christian culture and Scripture for the actions of Christian murderers?

        Did you know that many killers are devout men who were raised by members of Pentecostal sects, Catholics or were ‘hard-shell’ Baptists and Methodists?

        Gary Ridgway, for example, killed 60 women, more murders than any serial killer in U.S. history. In the late 1970’s he became fanatical about religion. He would go from door to door proselytizing for a Pentecostal church and would be infuriated when people refused to listen to him.

        Mathew Hale is currently serving 40 years in prison for attempting to solicit the murder of a Judge. He calls himself the Pontifex Maximus of the Creativity Movement. The church is for whites only. His church calls for a worldwide, racial holy war, to exterminate the Jews and all black people, in order to establish “a white world.” His reasoning: God is white; God created the Jews and black people to test the faith and resolve of white people; thus, killing a Jew or black person is not a sin. After one of his followers, Benjamin N. Smith, committed a deadly shooting spree, targeting only minorities, Hale “defended” his actions on TV by saying, “We do urge hatred. If you love something, you must hate that which threatens it.”

        The Rev. Michael Bray is not an ordained or college-educated minister, but he does preach about abortion. He served 46 months of a 10 year sentence for conspiring to bomb 10 abortion clinics in Maryland, Virginia, and Washington D. C. He and his wife stand firmly on the Bible as the inerrant Word of God, and that because it preaches so firmly against homosexuality and adultery, then upon being convicted of either in a court of law, the guilty party should be put to death. He is now out of prison and living in Wilmington, Ohio, officially labelled as a terrorist.

        Paul Jennings Hill was a trained and ordained minister of the Presbyterian Church, but the church excommunicated him in 1993 for taking such a militant stand against abortion, and for becoming a member of the Army of God, a Christian terrorist, anti-abortion organization.

        This ordained minister travelled to Pensacola, Florida on July 29, 1994, to an abortion clinic, and murdered one of the doctors, and his bodyguard, point-blank with shotgun blasts. He wounded the bodyguard’s wife. Then he calmly put down the shotgun in the grass and sat and waited for the police. He was executed.

        Marshall Herff Applewhite, Jr. proclaimed himself a prophet in 1972, and then proclaimed himself Jesus Christ reincarnated. Followers flocked to his forceful charisma, when he told them that UFOs were coming to take them away to Heaven. When the UFOs didn’t show, the followers left, but he kept preaching to various friends and their acquaintances, and by 1975 acquired a following of 93 men, women and children.He eventually recruited people from all 50 states, and settled in Rancho Santa Fe, California. His wife died of cancer in 1985, and sometime between then and 1997, he had a nurse surgically castrate him, for purification. He called his church “Heaven’s Gate.” His congregation worshiped him fervently.

        On March 19, 1997, as the comet Hale-Bopp was passing Earth, Applewhite recorded himself preaching to his congregation that suicide “was the only way to evacuate this earth.” His congregation did not believe in suicide, but was so enamoured with him, that 39 members took his word for it, and on March 24, 25, and 26, they killed themselves. Applewhite’s idea was to die so his spirit would ascend to the UFO following Hale-Bopp, which would then take him and his followers to another plane, both physical and spiritual.

        Jim Jones founder of the Peoples Temple started out Methodist. His followers were predominantly members of other Christian denominations, Methodism, Presbyterianism, Disciples of Christ, etc. In 1974, the Temple went to Guyana, with only 50 members. But Jones promised others back in the States a tropical paradise, and they flocked by the hundreds to “Jonestown.” On November 17, 1978, investigating claims of abuse within the Temple, California congressman Leo Ryan went to Jonestown, and about 15 members wanted to leave with him and were fired upon by Temple security guards. Ryan was killed, along with four others, one a Temple member. When the shooters returned to Jonestown, Jones and accomplices were prepared a mass suicide by poisoning – 909 of them. Jones shot himself in the head.

        • carl jacobs

          Jack

          Are you trying to isolate Islam from the killing done in its name? Are you trying to say that ISIS is some kind of distortion? Because in truth ISIS is a faithful understanding of Islam. These examples you give are fringe. The violence in Islam is not fringe.

          • No, Jack is well aware of the evil nature of Islam and the Koran and how ISIS applies it. What he’s saying is that these individuals (in Orlando, Nice and Munich) are not ISIS terrorists but deranged people.

          • carl jacobs

            People aren’t deranged simply because they kill. The question is not whether they were ISIS. The question is whether they faithfully represent the heart of Islam.

          • People kill because they’re deranged. The question is whether Islam enhances and prompts murderous derangement by giving a mad man apparent justification for his killing.

          • carl jacobs

            People kill for all sorts of rational reasons. It’s often a perfectly logical response to a provocation. That’s why we make laws against it.

          • Of course but you’ll have to show that the men involved in Orland, Nice and Munich were acting rationally as opposed to being mentally disturbed.

          • carl jacobs

            No, I don’t. Who put that burden on me? I’m not going to whitewash these killings as deranged acts. You show they were deranged. Otherwise, I’ll point to any random Islamic country in the Middle East, and say QED.

          • If you want to argue they spring from Islam then the burden of proof is on you. The evidence of depression in the three events Jack referred to is decisive.

          • carl jacobs

            And Algeria. And Tunisia. And Libya. And Egypt. And Syria. And Iraq. And Saudi Arabia. And Yemen. And Iran. And Sudan. And Nigeria. These are all the result of depression?

          • What specific acts are you referring to?

          • carl jacobs

            You are kidding, right?

          • carl jacobs

            OK. How about Islamists in Egypt shooting European tourists in order to destroy the tourist trade. Was that irrational and the result of depression?

          • You just said it yourself – “Islamists in Egypt shooting European tourists in order to destroy the tourist trade.” They were acts of terror with political aims.

          • carl jacobs

            And when a man drives into a crowd shouting “Allahu Akbar” he is expressing the same political aim. He doesn’t need to be part of an organization.

          • Is he? Allegedly shouting this, Carl. The same has been said about Ali David Sonboly.

          • Anton

            It is worth considering what personality profile ISIS look for inside their own community when recruiting suicide bombers…

          • Merchantman

            Islam is very much a political beast which is why it is at variance with democracy except to achieve dominance and has its own justice system to control and enslave its conquests. It uniquely justifies violence in the situation where it advances the cause of expansion. It enslaves.
            You liberal types with the rose tinted glasses are evidently ill equipped to deal with the menace.
            You know all this, so why do you persist with the religion of peace PC nonsense? You will take us all down.

          • carl jacobs

            What about the execution of overly-Westernized Algerians in Algeria?

          • Again rational acts by sane men who have had their minds corrupted and perverted by Islamist ideology.

          • carl jacobs

            OK so then we also have “rational acts by sane men who have had their minds corrupted and perverted by Islamist ideology” in these killings in Europe. They present the same. Your desire to rationalize these killings as deranged is an attempt to avoid facing the problem.

          • Present the same? We’re talking motivation not presentation. Where’s your evidence they were influenced by Islamist ideology? The burden is proof is with you.

          • carl jacobs

            You want me to go hunting inner demons. We all have inner demons, Jack. We all have a sad story to tell. The mere presence of a sad story does not of necessity explain these murders. You can’t just say “Look! Sad story! That’s the obvious motivation for the crime.” You don’t not know that. You are just asserting it as fact.

            When next week the next man walks into a room with a gun, shouts “Die Infidel!”, and starts shooting, I’m not going to pause and say “But was he depressed? Did the state fail him? Was he bullied as a child?” I’m going to infer his motivation from his actions and statements. Islam is replete from one end to the other with individuals using violence to compel conformity. You know this.

            There have been too many attacks by too many Muslims to just write this all off as derangement.

          • Jack is unaware of the Munich killer shouting “Die Infidel”.

            There have been too many attacks by too many Muslims to just write this all off as derangement”

            You’re conflating the acts of organised terrorists with the random acts of the crazy.

          • carl jacobs

            Jack is unaware of the Munich killer shouting “Die Infidel”.

            Neither did I say that. But according to your argument, it shouldn’t matter whether he did or didn’t say that. The statement would just be one more cover for deep personal trauma.

            You’re conflating the acts of organised terrorists with the random acts of the crazy.

            When I refer to the random nature of these attacks, I am referring to the nature of the victims. I am not referring to the purpose of the killer. You are the one asserting that these are deranged “acts of the crazy”. They don’t appear crazy to me at all. They appear quite purposeful and consistent with Islamic behavior all over the Islamic world. You are also the one asserting that individuals cannot perform overt political acts without connect to some greater organization. Why?

          • “When I refer to the random nature of these attacks, I am referring to the nature of the victims. I am not referring to the purpose of the killer.”
            The purpose and intent of the killer is surely critical? The acts of the three individuals we are referring to do not appear (as yet) to have had any political or religious content – overt or covert.

            “They appear quite purposeful and consistent with Islamic behavior all over the Islamic world.”

            But you’ve failed to evidence this in the examples you gave.

          • carl jacobs

            If a Palestinian straps on a vest full of C4 and nails, walks onto a bus in Israel, and blows himself up, do I need to know anything else to understand that his action was a purposeful political action?

          • Merchantman

            In 1939 when Hitler fabricated his excuse to march into Poland nobody paused to set up a court of enquiry or wait for the Chilcott Report. They had the evidence, and they said enough is enough.
            Even that old ditherer Chamberlain acted. I’m sure he thought Hitler was a man of peace; right?

          • Merchantman

            If any of these people had attended any sort of madrassah then no further evidence is required. Even being brought up in a Moslem household and listening to the men-talk is persuasive.

          • bluedog

            The killer in Nice was paid $110,000 to do the job, by IS. That’s how he was able to remit a huge sum to his family in Tunisia days before the massacre. Don’t suggest he was deranged, he wasn’t.

          • Anton

            That’s news; have you a reference, please?

          • bluedog

            Read it somewhere in a report on Geopolitical Futures.

          • A source of evidence for this claim would be good, bluedog.

          • IanCad

            Our faithful hound is not one to follow false scents and I would expect him to explain. However, as he seems to be lingering over his Sunday Winalot; or perhaps chasing rabbits, I’m sure he won’t mind my supplying a link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/16/bastille-day-terrorist-was-radicalised-within-months-and-sent-84/

          • A link ….

          • IanCad

            Patience, patience…

          • Inspector General

            Too hot for any of that. He may well be curled up in his basket right now using his tongue to keep his essentials cool…

          • Anton

            But it is still the case that if immigration had not been permitted to take place from Islamic lands then these atrocities would not have happened.

          • That’s certainly logical.

        • Inspector General

          Come on Jack, get with it. Everyone fears and loathes Islam, and a good thing too. The West is descending into degeneracy. For example, if militant LGBT types have their way, you can forget about male and female toilets – remember, it was the same that has brought us gay marriage. The West needs to return to right wing thinking, and slowly but surely, that is happening…

          • So, you want to use these tragedies as a way of turning people back to Christianity. Blame them all on Islam and all Muslims in Europe become a threat. People become fearful, angry and disaffected. A very dangerous path.

          • Inspector General

            Hardly. One is incapable of influencing anything. What will be will be, but there is some merit in knowing which way the tide is flowing so you don’t get wet feet.

          • carl jacobs

            You are right. It is a dangerous path. But you can’t avoid it by trying to find non-Islamic excuses for these attacks. People simply won’t buy what you are selling.

            Islam is not compatible with the West. It can be tolerated in the West only so long as it is impotent. Once it becomes strong, it will generate war as it seeks to dominate the culture. This is the politically incorrect truth that many do not want to face. So the question for Europe is “How do you put Islam back in the box without destroying Europe in the process?”

            That’s a difficult question. It won’t be answered by wishful thinking about deranged killers.

          • Anton

            In toilets is neither male nor female…

        • Anton

          “On March 19, 1997, as the comet Hale-Bopp was passing Earth, Applewhite recorded himself…”

          Where on line did you cut and paste this from without attribution, Jack?

        • dannybhoy

          Don’t you think Jack, that there is a personality type susceptible to taking an idea or belief to extremes? The horrors of Hell may loom larger in such a person’s thinking than the love and compassion of God. For whatever reason they become obsessed by a single aspect of Scriptural teaching, and it becomes the thing that drives their actions.
          Very very sad, and whilst not limited to the religious community is more often found there.

      • Anton

        What’s that about curry flavour?

      • bockerglory

        I have been trying unsuccessfully to point out the same to Mr Peter Hitchens. Mr Hitchens rightly asserts that most mass killers of last 20yrs are cannabis dope heads turned paranoid violent and psychopathic. However Mr Hitchens fails to acknowledge that these types wil be attracted to violent doctrine which includes neo Nazis, violent video games & Islam. It’s because Mr Hitchens does not understand that in Islam there are last minute conversions. In Christianity we can convert to Xianity by accepting Jesus as our Saviour and repenting of our sins on our deathbeds even if we have been scoundrels. In Islam you can show your love of Allah by killing the unbelievers that insult Allah … And you get a first class ticket to paradise even though you failed to get circumcised, avoid pork and go to the Mosque! So depressed individuals that have been brought up with Islam, even if they ignore and do not follow Islam can convert at the last moment.

        Explains why Isis grooms dope heads & Mr Hitchens is correct that zero tolerance re. Dope would stop a lot of attacks.

  • Inspector General

    The Inspector wishes to officially register his displeasure with BBC News. You crowd are absolute shockers, trying to deceive us the way you do. You need privatising and damn quickly at that. We have to analyse everything as if it came via The Ministry Of Truth, and that is unacceptable!

    {SNORT!}

    • DanJ0

      Is that because they avoided naming the Munich perp for so long, and then started calling him David Sonboli? They seem to have settled on Ali David Sonboli now. The Guardian named him Ali Sonboly as soon as he was identified locally. Sky News have been calling him David Ali Sonboly.

      • Inspector General

        On this occasion, yes. It could have been worse. The BBC News could have informed us that ‘German kills number of own’

      • Dreadnaught

        Nine dead and They still push the protect the Muslims narrative by introducing a Western Christian name. Even if it wasn’t directly Islam sponsored, Islam provides the global mood music that is making mass murder common place. This bastard was not immune to what is going on all over the world and he wasn’t that deranged to still be be able to lure his victims and source a weapon and ammunition – that takes more than a flash impulse.

        • DanJ0

          Planned for a year, apparently. It looks like a Columbine-type murder-suicide to me. That said, the German authorities and the BBC seem to have bent over backwards to remove any hint that is was to do with Islam, and the German authorities have made it very clear it’s nothing to do with refugees. I can sort of understand that but it doesn’t inspire faith when a political presentation is created so blatantly instead of letting the facts speak for themselves.

          • Dreadnaught

            It is only right to consider that such exhortations to violence do not need to be instigated by ISIS or AQ or who ever; they are part of the total package the underpins Islam. Radicalisation is there in print from the outset. This man of Iranian parentage may well have been ‘bullied’ or ostracised by his fellows for whatever reason but bloody hell, all kids experience some of this from time to time its no mitigating excuse for what he did.
            BBC 6pm news deliberately omits the name Ali again.

  • There are far too many guns around in an overcrowded multicultural city/country with open borders, no wonder violence and shootings are on the increase. Europe is getting more and more like America, out of control with too many gun slinging nutters left to do their own thing. What were his parents doing not to question his unhealthy lifestyle?

    • Ivan M

      All too many parents are fearful of confronting their teenagers as they are afraid of the fights or worse still that the kids may run away, or do something drastic. Hence they leave them alone in their rooms.

      • They could have got to the bottom of why he was shutting himself up in his room on his computer for hours from when it started with a bit of loving interrogation and communication not confrontation. He was being bullied by Turks and Arabs at school, wouldn’t it have been better to have taught him to floor with his fists one or two bullies in the early stages – they don’t touch you after that – than have his anger, frustration and hurt fester over the years and he ends up doing what he did.

        • Sounds like he was failed all round – by his school, the medical profession and social services – as well as his family.

          • Anton

            Teachers are there to teach pupils things they don’t know, the medical profession is there to heal physical injury, and social services represents the nationalisation of compassion, but the State cannot love.

          • Teachers monitor the welfare of children given they are acting in locus parentis. If a child is being bullied or showing signs of mental disturbance, they should do something. Nowadays we recognise mental illness as a treatable condition. The mind can be injured and healed. Social services protect the vulnerable and also protect society from the insane and dangerous.

          • Anton

            The tale of the profession of social worker is not told yet and it is interfering ever more in the family; in the forseeable future it will be instructed to take children from Christian parents. There are without doubt good social workers, but the profession itself should not exist. I can see both sides of recent exchanges twixt you and the Inspector, but on this occasion I agree with his sharp comment above that, “It’s all down to him being failed by ‘the state’. If only he, and indeed all of us, were more closely monitored by said state, then none of this would have happened, and he would never have been allowed to exercise his own free will to embrace evil…”

          • Don’t get carried away with the spectre of the State snatching children from Christian parents. Like it or not, someone has to oversee and protect the vulnerable and sick in our society given the disintegration of community and family. Or would you prefer life locked away in the asylum for the mentally ill? Or leaving children to be brutalised by adults? Or the elderly to be left to manage on their own?

          • Anton

            You are making the assumption that if the State didn’t then nobody else would. it’s not true. Before the State began to, many persons and organisations did: charities, the local community, the church, people’s families (family structure is already greatly weakened because the government has become the provider of last resort).

          • Family structure has become weakened because of a collapse in morality. The growth of the State is a symptom, not the cause.

          • Anton

            It is a vicious circle, an escalating spiral, and it is futile to say where such a thing began; the point is to unwind it.

          • An analysis of causes is necessary to address them. Rebuild family morality and the State will gradually shrink. Without this, remove the State and anarchy and destruction result. Meantime, the State will continue to grow whoever is in government.

          • Anton

            No. The State is actually encouraging the decline of family m morality by what it teaches in State schools, by financially subsidising the consequences of sexual sin, and by recognising shack-ups as marriage in al but name when they break up. I see no prospect of these things being stopped voluntarily. If there is a financial collapse then there might be hope.

          • But the parents can love. It seemed they didn’t. Too busy working probably. As long as son quiet and in his room all must be ok. The bullying must have started when he was 11 or 12 if it had been carrying on for seven years.

          • chefofsinners

            I agree that this is a failure of modern society, but it’s also good old fashioned original sin. When Cain killed Abel there were no schools, medics or social workers. Nor guns for that matter.
            Bottom line is, when people ask why this happens and what the answer is, we should say: sin and Christ (before our enemies say : Christ and sin).

          • IanCad

            I see! Couldn’t help it – Original Sin made me do it. I’m not responsible for my own actions. I was not given free will. I do not have the power of choice. Blame God.
            Augustine was the maker of much mischef.

          • Old Nick

            “Augustine was the maker of much misch[i]ef”. This view, I have found over 30 years of teaching Augustine, seldoms survives a serious perusal of the saint’s not inconsiderable literary remains.

          • IanCad

            From one error others must emerge. Original Sin demands Infant Baptism and also the Immaculate Conception. Neither biblical.

          • Old Nick

            There is plenty of evidence for infant baptism before Augustine. Try reading Cyprian, for a start. But then, I suppose that you think that Cyprian wasn’t “biblical” either (though that would raise the little problem of how he composed the Testimonia ad Quirinum). What you mean is ‘not your reading of the Bible’. I suggest you show a little more respect for the centuries of Christians who have read the Bible before you tried it.

          • IanCad

            Were the subject of the thread what we now discussing, both of us could be fully occupied for months.
            Granted, that IB was practiced prior to Augustine, I am also mindful that man can spoil a good thing PDQ.
            I will only say that if, for Christ, dedication as a baby, and then baptism by John, was sufficient, then so it should be for us.

          • Old Nick

            That is not the view which has been taken by the Church for 2000 years. But no doubt you know better.

          • chefofsinners

            Original sin means simply that mankind is inherently sinful. It does not absolve the individual from guilt, it is just a description of human nature.

          • IanCad

            In as much as we have a “Sinful Nature” (OS lite?) Perhaps so.
            I would be more comfortable with the term – Sinful Tendency.

          • Inspector General

            There’s no stopping the ‘socialist’ in you. Is there? It’s all down him being failed by ‘the state’. If only he, and indeed all of us, were only more closely monitored by said state, then none of this would have happened, and he would never have been allowed to exercise his own free will to embrace evil…

          • Jack didn’t refer to the State – just professionals doing what they are paid to do. You don’t think schools have a duty to monitor the wellbeing of children and whether they are being bullied or not? Or that doctors and social workers are not charged with helping the mentally disordered and protecting the public?

            Free will means someone is acting with knowledge of what they are doing, that they freely choose what they’re doing and are in full control of their actions.

          • Inspector General

            What do you think the state IS, Jack, if it isn’t the aforementioned agencies taken as a whole, among others. This shooting turns out to be a non story after all. The only compounding factor being that he managed to get hold of an automatic pistol. There must be a dozen bullied children in the UK right now, if not more, who would gladly inflict the same revenge on society if they were similarly armed.

            He exercised his free will, and by reports, he was damn cunning about it to boot, hoping to lure his victims to a MacDonalds. And let’s not have any more of your liberal apologetics stating otherwise…the lad done evil and voluntarily with it as they would tell you on the street.

        • Ivan M

          Well they badly failed as parents.

    • Anton

      In the USA guns are legal so that the people can hold their government to account as a last resort, and I consider it worth the downside. In a few years you might too. As for the casualty rate, might I suggest that you compare the rate of shootings within the white community specifically on either side of the Atlantic…?

      • They don’t need a gun to hold their gov to account they have elections every 4 yrs. The Yanks are the ones who love to boast about their proud record of democracy and civilisation, what do they want guns for if not to use them. Why do ordinary folk feel they need to be armed to the hilt? Upset the neighbours? Oh! out comes the gun. I’d never go there in case I accidentally got shot.
        I’ll never consider guns for the public a good idea.

        • IanCad

          You may change your mind Marie, when in a few years hence, little progress will have been made toward extracting ourselves from the talons of the EU. That is, after we have made a clear choice to do exactly that.

          • We don’t need guns Ian we’ve got Nigel Farage and The Brexiteers!
            DD wasn’t born yesterday even if Boris needs a bit of directing.
            It’s a game of intelligence and strength with clever negotiation.
            I must say though with the exception of Mrs T, our negotiating teams of the past for various deals around the world have not been tough or clever enough.

          • IanCad

            Marie,
            I do hope you are right. However history is good reading when wars and rebellions are the subject. How we are going to fight without weapons, should it become necessary, is beyond me. But fight it will be if our politicians betray us.

          • I wasn’t talking about the national weapons, I’m all in favour of a strong army, navy and air-force.

        • Anton

          If you’ve never been there and plan never to go there then I suggest you not pontificate about the place. I have been there often and do not recognise your description.

  • len

    Slightly deranged person +hours spent playing violent video games +religion which endorses violence = another tragedy waiting to happen…

  • Pubcrawler

    And another one:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1495355/man-kills-woman-and-injures-two-others-with-massive-knife-in-germany/

    At the time of posting, you wouldn’t know anything about this incident if you only relied on the BBC for news.

    • Inspector General

      To give the BBC the sparsest of credit, it was reported on the radio news an hour or two back. However, they kept it to themselves that machete man was a muslim refugee, which had an Inspector wondering why we were being privy to German domestic news…

      • Pubcrawler

        Fair enough. But even now on the website there is nothing bar a piece in the ‘Europe’ section posted 20 minutes ago. The only ‘breaking news’ is some cove called Chris Froome who’s won a cycling race.

        • Inspector General

          BBC Radio 2 news at 7pm. “It was the result of a dispute and not terrorism”. Sighs of relief all round, chaps. It was merely his racially inherent evil behaviour he brought with him to Germany. Just as well the rest of us don’t murder types we disagree with, what! The streets would run red…probably…

          • Here we go …

            It was his “racially inherent evil behaviour”.

          • Inspector General

            Lower standards where he came from, you see. Just because white European types respect other fellows lives as a rule, don’t make the mistake of thinking the rest of humanity shares this rather pleasant consideration….

          • carl jacobs

            white European types respect other fellows lives

            Yes. Like that Leopold II guy. He was very respectful.

          • Inspector General

            as a rule. You missed that out, Carl.

          • Germany in the 1930’s?

          • Inspector General

            You and Carl are rather like two confused white blood corpuscles in this virtual body of ours…

          • chefofsinners

            Dealing with malignant infections, you mean?

          • Inspector General

            Not really. It’s more like when the immune system turns on its own…

          • chefofsinners

            Like Leopold did? And Hitler, and Stalin, and countless other white European phagocytes?
            Or perhaps you are confused about this body and its integrity?

          • Inspector General

            Oh please, Chief. Get a grip will you…

          • “It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and cross himself with holy water than for these people to comprehend the ideas which are accepted facts to us today.”
            (Berlin, 10 December 1940)

          • Guess who:
            “This is probably the first time and this is the first country in which people are being taught to realize that, of all the tasks which we have to face, the noblest and most sacred for mankind is that each racial species must preserve the purity of the blood which God has given it …

            The greatest revolution which National Socialism has brought about is that it has rent asunder the veil which hid from us the knowledge that all human failures and mistakes are due to the conditions of the time and therefore can be remedied, but that there is one error which cannot be remedied once men have made it, namely the failure to recognize the importance of conserving the blood and the race free from intermixture and thereby the racial aspect and character which are God’s gift and God’s handiwork.

            It is not for men to discuss the question of why Providence created different races, but rather to recognize the fact that it punishes those who disregard its work of creation …

          • Inspector General

            Oh, Mein Kampf makes an appearance. Why?

          • Reichstag speech, 30 January 1937.

            “National Socialism is not a cult-movement—a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles.”

          • 15 million Congolese dead. The Openbare Weermacht gendarmerie and military force were white European types.

            Remind Jack about the Black and Tans.

          • Ivan M

            I doubt there were 15 million Congolese to begin with.

          • carl jacobs

            And the Boer War? And the Opium wars?

          • Inspector General

            Carl, do tell. What symptoms are you experiencing right now – A feeling of elation, perhaps?

          • carl jacobs

            No, I’m feeling … consistent.

          • Inspector General

            Not self-opinionated, then…

          • carl jacobs

            No, not at all.

          • Inspector General

            How disappointing – for us both!

          • carl jacobs

            It’s my natural American humility.

          • Uncle Brian

            We’ve been watching Trump and Clinton both displaying their “natural American humility”!

          • carl jacobs

            Targeting below the belt now, are we?

          • Inspector General

            You fraud! When push comes to shove we’ll see how you deal with your little patch under attack from your darling and almost law abiding negro types…

          • Ivan M

            I’ve been reading on the Opium Wars and now realise that the British had a bum rap. Opium was legally obtainable in China long before the British role in the trade. They merely provided another route. Eventuality the Chinese grew their own opium and the trade was for all practical purposes in the their hands,long after the British suppressed their trade in an access of Christian conscience.

          • Uncle Brian

            Carl’s point is that the Chinese government banned opium imports and the UK went to war to force them to lift the ban.

          • Ivan M

            The trade was legal. The Chinese could obtain all the opium they wanted via the Silk Road. The British were entitled to compensation. The trigger for the military action was to protect the merchants and their families

          • carl jacobs

            The trigger for the war was the huge portion of the British budget that was supplied by the opium trade to China.

          • Ivan M

            Not at all. The proximate cause was the lives and properties of the merchants, who were engaged in a then innocent trade. The British were addicted to tea, the opium was to pay for it. It was normal trading transactions.

          • Hitler was a “white European type”, was he not? And all those Germans who colluded with him in the attempted annihilation of the Jews?

          • Inspector General

            as a rule. You missed that out, Jack.

          • A whole nation, Inspector?

          • Inspector General

            It was rather more involved than your schoolboy understanding, Jack.

          • Care to enlighten Jack?
            (Should be interesting)

          • Inspector General

            It must be rather wonderful protecting your sensibilities with your denial stance, Jack. But the fact remains, unless the Germans repatriate every single illegal immigrant in their country, the killing will go on. Even if it’s just a case of saying the wrong thing to these desperados…

          • None of the recent killers were illegal immigrants, Inspector.
            Best round them all up and keep them secure somewhere prior to a final solution, eh? Must be some 6 million or so Muslims in Germany. Let’s face it, they have the necessary experience and skill set to tackle this sort of problem.

          • Inspector General

            There are some posts that absolutely stink…

    • Uncle Brian

      From your Sun link:

      The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

      So who was the smart magistrate or local police chief who decided the right thing to do was to leave the known attacker free to go on attacking other people?

    • carl jacobs

      Yes, but Jack already has his response to this attack wired in. Someone said the attacker was “out of his mind.”

      • Yep, an eyewitness reported: “The attacker was completely out of his mind.” Well, it’s hardly normal behaviour to hack a person to death following an argument. Wonder if he shouted “Allahu Akbar”.

        As he was a Muslim (refugee from Syria), it is clearly Islam that’s responsible. Or is it his race? He wasn’t white European.

        One million refugees entered Germany last year and goodness knows how many other migrants are there from earlier years. Best round them all up and coral them somewhere safe prior to shipping them off somewhere …. for a “final solution”.

        • Inspector General

          Spare us the amateur dramatics, Jack. If you did belong to a band of local players, you’d have been kicked up the arse and out the door on your last sentence alone…

          • Come now, Inspector. Not getting sqimish, are you? It’s the only possible answer to the problem you’ve described.

          • Inspector General

            You really are dim at times…

          • What else do you suggest?

          • Inspector General

            Illegal immigrants in the UK are repatriated every week, you idiot.

          • But none of these attackers were illegal immigrants.

          • bluedog

            One option is a probationary scheme. Settlers arriving as ‘asylum seekers’, most of whom are economic migrants, should only be granted permanent residency and/or citizenship on achievement of certain criteria, most important of which should be self-sufficiency through employment within say, one year. In that event one can anticipate that some 99% would fail.

          • bluedog

            squeamish?

          • dannybhoy

            Jack’s is the Scottish pronunciation..

          • bluedog

            Aye, the noo. So, will all your posts be made in some faux Lallans brogue now, as seen in Wings over Scotland?

          • dannybhoy

            “Och awa’ an bile yer heid ya numpty,ye dinnae ken whit yer talkin aboot.”
            How’s that for starters?

          • bluedog

            purrfect. Apols, should have looked closer at your post. Thort your’s was a reply from HJ.

          • Thank you, Sir. Jack thought it didn’t look correct.

            It’s the Scottish pronunciation, Sir.

        • carl jacobs

          In point of fact, you actually have a case with this attack because there was prior contact between the killer and the victim. That opens up a whole range of motives.

          That said. I find it curious that you didn’t respond to my assertion that Islam and the West are incompatible. This “Can’t we all just get along?” fantasy isn’t going to work. You had better find some civilized way to suppress Islam in Europe. You had better start looking for that way soon, and you had better start looking in the right place. Otherwise you are going to get that Final Solution as the default answer.

          • Jack agrees that Islam and the West are incompatible. What’s the answer? Jack doesn’t know but whatever it is it will need to take Muslims with it. Labelling millions of individual Muslims as murderous extremists and treating them as such, is just what the Islamists want.

          • carl jacobs

            Then Europe is well and truly screwed. Because there is no way to simultaneously suppress Islam and get Muslims to agree to the suppression.

          • Suppressing Islam would involve the closure of Mosques, the banning of the Koran and making all the symbols of Islam illegal. Such a full frontal assault is likely to fail. The Islamists crave martyrdom and victimhood, and, history tells us, suppression actually strengthens faith.

          • Most of what the Koran advocates they do is against the law in the UK anyway.
            We do need to reduce the number of mosques and ban the Burkha.

          • Inspector General

            Silly man. You send the illegal migrants back, that’s what you do. You mitigate a bad situation…

          • dannybhoy

            The vast majority in Europe are decent human beings, but the problem is within Islam, as evidenced all over the Islamic world -with few exceptions.

            The answer is/always was to limit the flow of immigration. To allow only those who had skills to offer, and to operate a strict deportation policy for any immigrant plotting against our country; regardless of where they came from.
            In fact we still have access to islands where detention camps could be set up and run.
            Personally I think it will come to pass that Western governments will be forced to adopt more draconian measures against ANY who threaten their nation and citizens.

        • dannybhoy

          Secure refugee camps Jack. Maintained and protected by the West whose governments (particularly the US and ours), are mainly responsible for this mess.

          • Bit late now.

          • dannybhoy

            It is indeed, and so the western foreign policy wagon rolls on -still minus a wheel..

    • Inspector General

      Watch out, Pub. The self appointed thought police are on patrol…

      • Pubcrawler

        “if I knew my cap was privy to my counsel, I would cast it into the fire and burn it”

        • Uncle Brian

          What does Vito Corleone tell Sonny in one of the early scenes in The Godfather 1? I don’t remember the exact words, but something along the lines of “Never let anyone outside the family know what you’re thinking.”

          • Pubcrawler

            I’d tell you if I were allowed. ..

    • dannybhoy

      Which is why I visit newsblogs from other countries. Especially American and Israeli sites. You find out stuff that takes ages to reach us over here, and you realise how selective our own news outlets can be.
      As Pubcrawler has pointed out.

  • Dreadnaught

    Why did Channel 4 News have a hijab wearing anchor presenter involved in the reportage of the Nice massacre? Such a blatant, crude exercise in perpetuating the bleat ‘it’s not all Muslims’ before the bodies were cold. Disgusting. They really must think we are thickos.

    • Inspector General

      “…there is no god but Allah, and Mohamed is his prophet. And that concludes Channel 4 news for tonight. Now, over to the weather and what we can expect tomorrow…”

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    Goodness! I seem to have lit the blue touch paper…

    • chefofsinners

      Indeed, you have tit the blue louche paper.

      • dannybhoy

        Ah! Do you ‘ave a rhuum she can ‘ide, in the anticipation of the big bangg?

        (your adjusted avatar still freaks me out)

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          I think you two boys are very naughty and are in need of chastisement. Mrs Slope will be round shortly, so brace yourselves…

          • dannybhoy

            The weirdo with the bouffant started it….

          • chefofsinners

            How dare you talk about Cranmer like that? People have been invited to leave for less.

          • dannybhoy

            Don’t try to drag the boss into this, You now have the weirdest avatar on this site, and it is…..odd. You hide behind it and try to sully our image of Mrs Proudie by changing words around then standing back to see who will swallow the bait.
            Pah! I spit on your froo froo ‘airdo, and your fancy eye glasses..

  • Inspector General

    This is the Inspector closing down for this day. He acquitted himself well tonight, and thanks the vanquished for showing up. Until the next time, you rotters…

    Tally ho!

    • chefofsinners

      At times like this, when you have taken the moral high ground and held it against all comers, you must know that it will be an honour for her majesty to bestow your knighthood.

  • James60498 .

    Has anyone seen any news about Friday night at Frankfurt Airport? There were at least 3,000 of us delayed overnight, most of whom slept/ didn’t sleep on the airport floor and yet I can’t find any reports anywhere in English language reports anyway.

    If not, then I have to assume that telling bad stories about Germany and it’s crazy Green laws that don’t allow flights from Frankfurt after 11pm is not allowed.

    • Uncle Brian

      Out of curiosity, I googled for this:

      reuters frankfurt airport night flights

      and got this:

      Business Travel | Wed Apr 4, 2012 11:04am EDT
      Lufthansa hit as Frankfurt night flight ban upheld

      See that date? Apr 4, 2012! Nothing more recent than that.

      • James60498 .

        Although I have no evidence I would be very surprised if this is the only time it’s happened in the last four years.

  • Pubcrawler

    Explosion, one dead, in restaurant in Nuremberg

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/one-feared-dead-after-german-restaurant-blast-134307

    Unlikely to be Mr Creosote.

    • Uncle Brian

      Same link,updated:

      German media reports suggest it was caused by a gas leak.

      • Ah, but was the gas pipe handled at anytime by anyone of Muslim descent?

      • Pubcrawler
        • Uncle Brian

          18 July — Würzburg train, axe attacks, five wounded
          22 July — Munich shopping mall, machine gun attack, nine killed
          24 July — Ansbach restaurant bomb, one killed

          Somebody has a serious grudge against Bavaria

          • A Syrian national who’d been refused asylum ….

          • carl jacobs

            Ironic, isn’t it. I asked you about suicide bombers on this very thread. You never answered.

          • Pubcrawler

            Who was nevertheless still freely in Germany, had access to explosives and had tried to get into the venue where he would have killed many, many more.

  • Next week the weather will be taking a turn for the worse. Jack has it on good authority that British Muslims are responsible for this.

    • Pubcrawler

      The Guardian is already looking into how to blame Israel

      • Just so long as Catholics are left in peace.

        • Pubcrawler

          Lot of Catholics in Bavaria, probably feeling quite anxious right now

          • Are there any Catholics in Germany these days? And, of course, British Catholics understand persecution by the State far more than the German Catholics.

          • Pubcrawler

            Kulturkampf? Kirkenkampf? Anyway, I’m not interested in playing Persecution Top Trumps.

          • Kulturkampf? A minor inconvenience.

  • David

    Breitbart reports that in Germany a 27 year old Syrian asylum seeker, whose claim to asylum was rejected, blew himself up outside a music venue, killing himself and injuring many. There are a further 130,000 failed asylum seekers roaming freely in Germany, whereabouts unknown. I ask myself, how many does the UK have ?