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Meaningful Chocolate and the meaningless M&S Dinosaur Easter Egg

 

Chicks and bunnies are a bit passé, so now we have the M&S Dinosaur Easter Egg. A decorated hollow milk chocolate T. rex with mini eggs in a speckled candy shell, all wrapped in a vast amount of plastic and pointing prophetically to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus from the upper Cretaceous Period.

From paganism Easter came, and to paganism Easter returns. Blessed be the M&S Dinosaur Easter Egg.

On the other hand, there’s the Real Easter Egg from the Meaningful Chocolate Company. It’s the only Easter Egg that explains the real meaning of Easter. Yes, out of the whopping 80 million chocolate Easter Eggs sold each year in the UK, none other explains the meaning of Easter. No, not even the M&S Dinosaur Easter Egg of the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event.

The Real Easter Egg is the UK’s first and only Fairtrade charity egg to explain the events of Easter, and it does so with the aid of a handy booklet . Each year the content design changes, and their 2016 range is really quite splendid. No dinosaurs, no nasty plastic and no kiddy-fad commercialism. The Meaningful Chocolate Company uses Fairtrade chocolate and part of its mission is to fight poverty through trade, working with Traidcraft. And unlike the M&S Dinosaur Easter Egg, the Real Easter Egg has so far raised more than £200,000 for charity.

And the venture is attracting some impressive celebrity endorsement. Dame Judi Dench says: “This is both educational and charitable and has my full support.” Sir Ben Kingsley says the Real Easter Egg symbolises “the real meaning of Easter”. The Archbishop of York says at all in a picture:

Sentamu - Real Easter Egg

It’s a no-brainer, really. You can have a truly delicious Real Easter Egg which proclaims the resurrection of Jesus and tells the world of the joy of salvation, complete with ethically-sourced ingredients and environmentally-friendly packaging. Or you can have a plastic M&S Dinosaur Easter Egg which speaks of another reality altogether – one which has absolutely nothing to do with the events of 2,000 years ago.

The Meaningful Chocolate Company is a phenomenal success story and a great blessing to us all. They are taking orders directly via their Online Shop. Discounts are available for schools and churches. Go on..

  • sarky

    Sorry, but the chocolate dinosaur looks awesome.

    • The Explorer

      So, apparently, did the bronze statue of Baal in which infants were sacrificed. So apparently, did the display of nuclear weapons in Red Square.

      • sarky

        Did they do them in chocolate?

        • The Explorer

          No: with the Baal fire and a nuclear explosion, the chocolate would have melted. But they looked awesome. and I thought that was the point you were making: if it looks awesome, it’s okay.

          • sarky

            Pretty sure nobody died from a chocolate dinosaur?????

          • The Explorer

            But a lot of people died from the Nazi take on Darwinism. (I’m not saying they were right in their interpretation, but they thought they were.)

          • sarky

            I think your probably reading to much into this. Kids love chocolate and they love dinosaurs, it’s a win win for the retailers.

          • The Explorer

            Quite possibly. I’m sure the main motive is to make money by cashing in on dinosaur fever. I was thinking more in terms of unconscious motives.

          • sarky

            I doubt there were any.

          • Dreadnaught

            A chocolate Jesus on a Stick sounds to me like a bit of a turkey for Easter.

          • The Explorer

            That’s Good Friday, not Easter. A hollow egg (or hollow dinosaur) for an empty tomb is a much better symbol.

          • Dreadnaught

            A hollow Jesus on a stick then?

          • The Explorer

            Better; only he was off the stick by then.

          • DanJ0

            I quite like that idea!

            Muslims could have a chocolate Judas on a stick too.

          • Dreadnaught

            They were the most successful animals in terms of longevity ever to tread the planet.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            Don’t be taken in by the claims of the believers in Evolution.

          • Dreadnaught

            I am a believer in evolution; its happening as we speak. The evidence is there a million fold: its the supernatural claims for religion of all varieties I don’t believe.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            I’m afraid Evolution requires magic to make it work. Science tells us that like begets like, life does not evolve.

          • The Explorer

            The Thousand Year Reich probably drew inspiration from the thought of them.

          • CliveM

            Childhood obesity, big problem;0)

    • DanJ0

      Topical too as everyone knows Jesus was born in a dinosaur egg and when he grew up her slayed them all. That’s why there’s none around now. I expect the Creation Museum has the full story in their exhibitions.

      • sarky

        If I feel down I look at their website. Has me howling with laughter in seconds.

      • The Explorer

        Not heard that one before. Despite Dreadnaught’s conviction about my credulity, I think you made that up.

  • Martin

    Well actually, there was no Cretaceous period, the ‘extinction period was the Flood that happened 4k5 years ago.

    The Flood was God’s judgement upon a World that had defied His laws and become so corrupt that its destruction was the option God chose. But God saved eight persons from that Flood in a box, the Ark.

    Which, of course, is a a picture of Christ, the Saviour of those who believe in Him – could be a rather different Easter sermon there (I won’t charge for the idea). On one side the dinosaurs, most of whom were engulfed by the water but a few of whom were saved.

    • sarky

      What’s the weather like in crazy town?

      • Martin

        Sarky

        You should know, that’s where you live.

        https://youtu.be/lbS2KSRUVHo?t=11

        • sarky

          Never was a big ‘cheers’ fan. Much preferred ‘Frasier’.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            Never saw Cheers, but I thought the comment was apposite.

          • sarky

            Not for those of us with a grip on reality.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            You don’t have a grip on reality.

          • sarky

            That’s not what my shrink said.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            That’s why you need a shrink.

    • Inspector General

      One does believe you are desperately trying to hammer the round peg of analogy into the square hole of reality, Martin. And rather pitifully at it!

      • Martin

        IG

        No analogy involved, Genesis 1-11 are written as historic narrative, not analogy. In any case there is no evidence for Evolution, if you think me wrong produce some.

        • Inspector General

          Not altogether sure humanity had a concept of history 9000 years ago when melt water from the ice caps flooded the dry Mediterranean….

          • Martin

            IG

            There wasn’t a 9K years ago. It’s a made up idea.

          • Inspector General

            Right then. Who said “there is more to heaven AND earth than we’ll ever know”

          • carl jacobs

            Shakespeare … sort of.

            There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
            Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

          • Martin

            IG

            It may be so, but God has given us a brief description of how He created and the first few thousands years of this world.

          • Martin

            IG

            It may be so, but God has given us a brief description of how He created and the first few thousands years of this world.

          • Martin

            IG

            It may be so, but God has given us a brief description of how He created and the first few thousands years of this world.

          • The Explorer

            Hamlet. But his focus was on Heaven (well, Purgatory) not Earth,

          • The Explorer

            Hamlet. But his focus was on Heaven (well, Purgatory) not Earth,

          • The Explorer

            Hamlet. But his focus was on Heaven (well, Purgatory) not Earth,

          • sarky

            And you would know about made up ideas.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            I see them around all the time, mostly in a desperate attempt by people pretending God does not exist trying to control the World. People like you.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            I see them around all the time, mostly in a desperate attempt by people pretending God does not exist trying to control the World. People like you.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            I see them around all the time, mostly in a desperate attempt by people pretending God does not exist trying to control the World. People like you.

          • sarky

            You got me. I shall make haste to my secret island, where I shall retire to come up with my next dastardly plan to take over the world
            wah ha ha ha ha

          • Martin

            Sarky

            So by demanding that homosexuality is just a variation on the norm, what else are you doing? Your ‘mockery’ is only an attempt to distract.

          • sarky

            No. It’s just plain and simple mockery.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            So you don’t deny that aim,

          • sarky

            Only with you Martin, everyone else on here is quite reasonable.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            By reasonable, do you mean accepting your worldview? Somehow I think many would be offended by that.

          • DanJ0

            I thought it was the Jews trying to control the world?

          • Martin

            DanJ0

            If you thought, you’d worry about knowing God exists.

          • DanJ0

            I took sarky’s advice and googled, Yirrel.

            https://twitter.com/666TPG/status/541539754710294529

            Heh. Someone else has your measure too, troll-boy.

  • The Explorer

    I think the dinosaur is making a profound symbolic point.

    Darwinism is the new belief system of many.

    A dinosaur is a perfect symbol of Darwinism.

    The dinosaur represents how the new belief system has superseded the old.

    Eating a chocolate dinosaur is thus, if not exactly a religious act, at least a world-view act. Dinosaurs are a fact. Evolution (certainly micro evolution) is at least plausible. Both are compatible with a creator God. By Darwinism, I mean the emergence of the Universe without divine intervention: the worship of Chance. That is what is being celebrated in this chocolate symbol.

    • carl jacobs

      I think this is the brainchild of some Marketing guy who thought “Dinosaurs! Chocolate! Product differentiation! Ka-ching!”

      I’m really having a hard time getting into high dudgeon over a chocolate dinosaur. The Meaningful Egg is fine. The Dinosaur is fine. People will choose what they want. There isn’t a moral issue here.

      • sarky

        Carl, what about the hidden Darwinian agenda? Surely a man of your intellect can’t of missed that?

      • The Explorer

        In marketing terms, Easter, Mother’s Day and Christmas are key times to make money out of the public. In marketing terms, a chocolate dinosaur makes perfect sense because dinosaurs are so popular.

        But why are dinosaurs so popular? That’s my real question. Forget chocolate, and forget Easter.

        • sarky

          Why are dinosaurs so popular?

          Have you not seen jurassic park?

          • carl jacobs

            It was a terrible movie. Well … Except for the lawyer getting eaten. Otherwise, it was a terrible movie. Couldn’t they have come up with a better ending than Deus Ex Dinosaur?

          • sarky

            You heathen.

          • carl jacobs

            You seriously aren’t going to defend the end of that movie, are you?

          • The Explorer

            If it had been a human-rights lawyer, that would have been even better. But it would probably have given the dinosaur chronic indigestion.

          • carl jacobs

            Wouldn’t the RSPCD have objected? Or is eating a lawyer considered a public good such that the dinosaur’s momentary inconvenience would have been judged acceptable?

          • The Explorer

            I have. And the key line in ‘Jurassic Park’ is, “Nature found a way.”

          • sarky

            Ian Malcolm: If there’s one thing the history of evolution has taught us, it’s that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories, and crashes through barriers painfully, maybe even dangerously, bu

          • The Explorer

            There you are, you see: the hidden Darwinian Agenda. Dinosaurs represent the worship of chance.

          • carl jacobs

            What you should see in that exchange is a tacit admission that chance is insufficient. It applies divine attributes – intelligence and intention – to blind impersonal processes. Something else is required, but just don’t call it God.

          • sarky

            That’s a fact of life.

          • carl jacobs

            It’s always revealing to see how people confuse presupposition with fact.

          • sarky

            Are you saying that random events don’t happen? Because just living a day would prove otherwise.

          • carl jacobs

            The lot is cast in the lap but its every choice belongs to the Lord. There are no random molecules in the Universe, sarky. What appears random to you is not random to God.

            I was however specifically referring to the fact that probability is descriptive and not causal. Chance can’t “find a way.” Even the description belies the concept for it implies intent. You only find in the course of seeking and seeking is by definition a deliberate act.

          • So ‘Life’ is supernatural? I agree.

          • sarky

            I don’t think that’s what it’s saying.

          • Perhaps Ian Malcolm didn’t mean it that way. But he was closer to the Truth than he realised!

          • sarky

            Sorry, did you get stuck?

          • Lost internet connection while travelling.

            But it never ceases to amaze me how atheists often see glimmers of the ‘Light’ in evolution.

          • Lost internet connection while travelling.

            But it never ceases to amaze me how atheists often see glimmers of the ‘Light’ in evolution.

          • Lost internet connection while travelling.

            But it never ceases to amaze me how atheists often see glimmers of the ‘Light’ in evolution.

          • Martin

            Anna

            They’re desperate for it but avoid the real light. They’ll cling to the craziest of claims.

          • Perhaps Ian Malcolm didn’t mean it that way. But he was closer to the ‘Truth’ than he realised!

          • len

            Only difference in Jurassic park was the dinosaurs ate the people instead of the people eating the dinosaurs.

          • len

            Only difference in Jurassic park was the dinosaurs ate the people instead of the people eating the dinosaurs.

          • len

            Only difference in Jurassic park was the dinosaurs ate the people instead of the people eating the dinosaurs.

          • len

            Only difference in Jurassic park was the dinosaurs ate the people instead of the people eating the dinosaurs.

        • carl jacobs

          Because they are novel and exotic.

          My kids would have loved the idea of a chocolate dinosaur. But we never did the big chocolate centerpiece thing. My wife made baskets of candy and hid them in the house.

          • The Explorer

            Relative to what?

          • carl jacobs

            Present day experience.

        • Old Nick

          Barney

      • George Simpson

        Yeh its just aimed at the boy action figure demographic, who are too embarassed to buy a pink bunny rabbit tbh…kinda sad societal pressure about inflated masculinity from a young age…nothing to do with creationism.

    • George Simpson

      Not really. The creationist zoo is full of them. I don’t know any counter-darwinists who disbelieve in them… they just think they were around at same time as man to squeeze them into the made-up timeline.

      • The Explorer

        “I don’t know any counter-darwinists who disbelieve in them.” Neither do I. As I said, dinosaurs are a fact. It’s the symbolic significance attached to them that I was getting at. (And sheer speculation on my part, anyway.)

      • The Explorer

        “I don’t know any counter-darwinists who disbelieve in them.” Neither do I. As I said, dinosaurs are a fact. It’s the symbolic significance attached to them that I was getting at. (And sheer speculation on my part, anyway.)

      • The Explorer

        “I don’t know any counter-darwinists who disbelieve in them.” Neither do I. As I said, dinosaurs are a fact. It’s the symbolic significance attached to them that I was getting at. (And sheer speculation on my part, anyway.)

  • len

    Easter is a pagan fertility rite.The Church attempted to ‘Christianize Easter ‘but this was a big mistake. Instead of Christianising pagans Christianity itself became paganised.
    The UK is in the greater part a pagan nation and Christianity needs to separate itself from pagan customs and rites.Compromise has been probably the biggest problem in the church and needs to examined carefully and discarded where found.
    The church needs to get back to its roots back to the original Gospel message, back to its Jewish roots and then to stand out as salt and light amongst our darkening world.

    • sarky

      I’m sure you will be popular when you abolish Christmas with all its pagan symbols.

      • len

        If I wanted to be’ popular’ I would not post here. 😉

      • len

        If I wanted to be’ popular’ I would not post here. 😉

      • len

        If I wanted to be’ popular’ I would not post here. 😉

      • len

        If I wanted to be’ popular’ I would not post here. 😉

    • chiefofsinners

      Paul’s sermon on Mars Hill (Acts 17) is a good example of using whatever spiritual awareness people have as a starting point when preaching the gospel.

      • Allosexuels admirateur

        Is dat whare de Mars bar was first made?

        • The Explorer

          Ask Marianne Faithful.

        • The Explorer

          Ask Marianne Faithful.

        • The Explorer

          Ask Marianne Faithful.

          • Allosexuel

            Excusez-moi?

          • The Explorer

            When Ms Faithfull was arrested by the police at Keith Richards’ house in West Wittering, she was doing something with a Mars bar that not even Findy would have contemplated. (Actually, Findy wouldn’t have been able to, even if he’d wanted to.)

          • Allosexuel

            Yoo wood be sirpissed at wot Findy finks aboot.

          • The Explorer

            I wouldn’t; but unless he’s gone transgender, there are limitations to his anatomy that Ms Faithfull didn’t have.

          • Pubcrawler

            As urban myth has it…

          • The Explorer

            I thought this one had the status of suppressed fact. Myths, in any case, shed light on the values/beliefs of a particular culture.

    • George Simpson

      To take it a step further away…its not being paganised like the archbishop suggests…….its being consumerised…a celebration of products…no reflection… just eating mindlessly, buying midlessly like at christmas….Hence the modern efficiency of dropping most of easter, where much more of christmas is kept because there’s a lot more to consume- its the elephant in the room… The only parts of easter left for the average family are throwbacks to paganism-the eggs, the bunnies, not anything to do with jesus, but not celebrated in any way to do with paganism or the godess oestre or any significance at all…. .I think this is a lot more relevant, we should be able to reflect in some way whether we are atheist, christian or another religion…. Personally it seems insulting the archbishop thinks paganisation is the problem, not trivialisation….he might think pagans are wrong, but they do a hell lot more meaningful thought than a typical ‘kid in a candy store’ of consumer society.

      • Old Nick

        We have absolutely no idea how the goddess Eostre was worshipped. She is mentioned in passing by Bede in the de temproum ratione, and Bede was mightily uninterested in Anglo-Saxon paganism – except that in the fact that it inspired Penda King of the Mercians to do a lot of damage to his neighbours’ kingdoms.

        • Aran’Gar

          As I recall there is actually some doubt as to whether Eostre even existed or whether it was one of those false etymologies which Bede, like many men of his era, was prone to.

          • Old Nick

            Yes. What Bede says is that there is a month named after her.

        • len

          Probably better not to know how a fertility ‘godess ‘was worshipped!.

        • len

          Probably better not to know how a fertility ‘godess ‘was worshipped!.

        • len

          Probably better not to know how a fertility ‘godess ‘was worshipped!.

        • len

          Probably better not to know how a fertility ‘godess ‘was worshipped!.

    • Old Nick

      There is nothing pagan about Easter except the name in English of an extremely obscure Germanic deity (we are not talking of Odin or Woden or Thursday) – the rest of the world calls it by a word derived from the Hebrew for Passover (though it was noted from an early date that it punned on the Greek word ‘paschein’ to suffer). The date is fixed by reference to the Jewish calendar (until His present Grace of Canterbury starts monkeying with it) and the message is not about cyclical rebirth and bunnies , but about the conquest of Death itself and the hope that generates. England is not pagan (where is the blood sacrifice), it is just rather dismally steeped in SIN.

      • len

        The name “Easter” originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede,
        (672-735 CE), a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter
        was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly,
        the “Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur,
        Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos.” 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring:
        “eastre.

        http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm

      • len

        The name “Easter” originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede,
        (672-735 CE), a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter
        was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly,
        the “Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur,
        Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos.” 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring:
        “eastre.

        http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm

      • len

        The name “Easter” originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede,
        (672-735 CE), a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter
        was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly,
        the “Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur,
        Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos.” 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring:
        “eastre.

        http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm

  • carl jacobs

    See … Why get a dinosaur or a rabbit when you can get a turtle instead. Or even better. A box of turtles. It is the pinnacle of confectionary evolution.

    • The Explorer

      Hell, I’ll get a dinosaur myself. Man eats Tyrannosaurus Rex. Makes a change from the other way round.

      • Dreadnaught

        There were no humans around during the time of the dinosaurs.

        • Aran’Gar

          Nonsense!
          Have you never seen Dinotopia?

          • Dreadnaught

            And The Flintstones.

        • The Explorer

          Tell that to ‘Jurassic Park’.

          • Dreadnaught

            Well if you believe in life after death I’m not surprised that you believe in Movie Make-believe.

          • The Explorer

            We’re mixing art and life here. That Hamlet kills Claudius is a fact in ‘Hamlet’, even if neither Hamlet nor Claudius existed in real life. A dinosaur eats a human in ‘Jurassic Park’. That is a fact within the film. It need bear no relation to reality.

          • The Explorer

            We’re mixing art and life here. That Hamlet kills Claudius is a fact in ‘Hamlet’, even if neither Hamlet nor Claudius existed in real life. A dinosaur eats a human in ‘Jurassic Park’. That is a fact within the film. It need bear no relation to reality.

          • The Explorer

            We’re mixing art and life here. That Hamlet kills Claudius is a fact in ‘Hamlet’, even if neither Hamlet nor Claudius existed in real life. A dinosaur eats a human in ‘Jurassic Park’. That is a fact within the film. It need bear no relation to reality.

        • Martin

          Dreadnaught

          Can you demonstrate that claim?

          • Dreadnaught

            Check it out for yourself.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            I have, where do you think stories of dinosaurs and the like come from. And His Grace’s fellow cleric in Durham has a dino engraved on his tomb. Remember, absence of fossil evidence doesn’t equate to evidence of absence, after all the coelacanth must have existed for a long time with no fossil evidence (using your paradigm). Evolution is a joke, it’s just another Victorian pseudo science.

          • Dreadnaught

            I don’t believe you have otherwise you would not be making such idiotic statements as you do. The record is there but you will wriggle as much as you like but you won’t prove the science and research wrong in any meaningful sense. It’s your loss.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            There is no research, for how can you research what you cannot observe. Evolution is merely a concept that has been used to pretend that the Creator God does not exist. That is why it is so popular. There is no supporting evidence for it, just interpretation of evidence that could equally be interpreted to support Biblical Creation.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            There is no research, for how can you research what you cannot observe. Evolution is merely a concept that has been used to pretend that the Creator God does not exist. That is why it is so popular. There is no supporting evidence for it, just interpretation of evidence that could equally be interpreted to support Biblical Creation.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            There is no research, for how can you research what you cannot observe. Evolution is merely a concept that has been used to pretend that the Creator God does not exist. That is why it is so popular. There is no supporting evidence for it, just interpretation of evidence that could equally be interpreted to support Biblical Creation.

          • sarky

            Martin, have a read and get informed (although I doubt you will)

            http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php

          • Martin

            Sarky

            Ah, the religious pushing their views as ‘science’. Sadly until they can demonstrate the claim that “all life on Earth shares a common ancestor” http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_02 by reproducing that process, then Evolution isn’t science.

            I note that you didn’t address my point that all the claimed ‘evidence’ can equally be interpreted to support Biblical Creationism.

          • sarky

            I didn’t address it because it’s absolute rubbish and not worth wasting my time over.

            Perhaps you should have actually read the link.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            I’ve seen their page before. They don’t present science or evidence, they present claims. That an putatively educational establishment should lend itself to such nonsense is a shame on them.

            An example of the nonsense is “MISCONCEPTION: Evolution is not science because it is not observable or testable.” which uses as it’s examples astronomers and geologists. Astronomers claim there are sequences stars go through without being able to give evidence. Geologists claim to know that vast periods of time have past, yet their claims are based on interpretations of evidence that can be interpreted in other ways. Both astronomers and geologists speculate but their speculation is not science.

            That they expend so much effort on their claims demonstrates that it is more religion than science. That you don’t respond to my point demonstrates that you can’t.

          • Dreadnaught

            If you can smell horse-shit – there’s a good chance there’s a horse around somewhere; even if you can see it.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            I often think along those lines when someone produces their ‘evidence’ for Evolution.

            But I note that you cannot answer my points.

          • sarky

            Again you show your ignorance. Evolution as an idea has been around since the pre-socratic Greek philosophers.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            Of course, and Darwin got most of the concept from His grandfather. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a Victorian pseudo-science.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            Of course, and Darwin got most of the concept from His grandfather. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a Victorian pseudo-science.

          • Martin

            Sarky

            Of course, and Darwin got most of the concept from His grandfather. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a Victorian pseudo-science.

    • A chocolate Dodo is the next big craze.

      • carl jacobs

        A “chocolate Dodo” can never and will never achieve the culinary perfection of the Turtle.

        • Who’s bothered? Think of the profit to be made.

    • The Explorer

      Are these any old turtles, or teenage mutant ninja turtles?

      • carl jacobs

        Chocolate, caramel, and pecan turtles.

      • chiefofsinners

        It is a reference to the description of spring in the Song of Solomon 2:12:
        “The flowers appear on the earth. The time of the singing of birds is come. The voice of the turtle is heard in our land.”
        Cowabunga.

        • sarky

          Voice of the turtle? We have had one as a pet for 13 years and not once has it made a sound.

          • The Explorer

            Turtle dove.

          • The Explorer

            Turtle dove.

          • The Explorer

            Turtle dove.

          • sarky

            Duh!

          • The Explorer

            in ‘The WInter’s Tale’ Paulina says, “I , an old turtle, will wing me to some wither’d bough.”

          • chiefofsinners

            Spoilsport. He would have spent hours with one ear pressed to the side of the tank.

          • Turtles are shy but, if you’re patient with them, will speak.

          • Probably can’t get a word in …

  • IrishNeanderthal

    Here is someone debunking the “Pagan Easter” idea: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2016/03/the-christian-history-of-pagan-easter/

    A bit like this picture https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Flammarion.jpg/288px-Flammarion.jpg
    which is actually an 1880 engraving by Flammarion/

    • Anton

      Unlike Christmas it is at least held coincident with the time of year of the relevant event in Christ’s life, but (1) it would be good not to use the name of what Bede thought was a pagan goddess for it (Eastern Orthodox call it Pascha which derives from Passover), and (2) St Paul makes clear that observance of a church calendar is a matter for the individual, so it is wrong for any bishop to tell any member of his flock that he “should” commemorate it or suggest that it is weird not to. I in turn do not condemn those who commemorate it, but some of us prefer to commemorate it in our hearts without singling out a season.

      • Old Nick

        Have you tried explaining that to the Quartodecimans and Melito of Sardis ?

      • Are you a Puritan, Anton? In the English Reformation, the Presbyterian and Congregational movements mistakenly condemned all celebrations other than the Lord’s Day.

        • Martin

          HJ

          So why do you think they were mistaken, can you point to a celebration, other than the Lord’s Day in the New Testament?

        • Martin

          HJ

          So why do you think they were mistaken, can you point to a celebration, other than the Lord’s Day in the New Testament?

        • Martin

          HJ

          So why do you think they were mistaken, can you point to a celebration, other than the Lord’s Day in the New Testament?

        • Martin

          HJ

          So why do you think they were mistaken, can you point to a celebration, other than the Lord’s Day in the New Testament?

        • Anton

          Define a puritan and I’ll answer that. But you saw me clearly say above that I do not condemn (or therefore seek to prevent) those who do adhere to a church calendar. That is St Paul’s position and mine.

          • A neo-Puritan, then?

          • Anton

            I believe (as I think I’ve stated before) that Christianity should influence politics only indirectly, through the personal beliefs of those national leaders who are Christians. Wherever it is possible I would like to see Christians in politics but I am against the involvement of the church as a corporate body in politics, and that goes for puritans, Catholics, Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox.

            Incidentally the work of Aquinas is a great help in justifying godly laws using arguments other than by faith, in secular societies.

  • DanJ0

    I’m sorry to report that my Tesco had loads of the Meaningful Chocolate Company eggs left over last year. The ended up at the back of the shop on the waifs and strays shelf.

    • Mine did too and I think that’s because they didn’t get them in store until only a week before Easter ( I was waiting for them as I don’t buy any other) whilst all the other makes had been in store since just after Valentines day and some since January so had plenty of time to sell.
      Also they were positioned a bit low down on the shelves and there was no end of aisles displays. The local Church staff should take on the roll of merchandisers and visit their Tesco stores to ensure satisfactory displays and stock.

      • magnolia

        And move a few to between waist and eye level ?!

  • Jack believes they’re already on the market.

  • Great to hear this HJ.

  • Inspector General

    Good show!

  • Inspector General

    Good grief, if Dame Judy Wench endorses the product…

    For a really meaningful Easter, let’s nail a few thieves to crosses.

  • Try your local Pound Shop.

  • CliveM

    It’s good to hear we will have you around for a while yet.

  • At £10 a egg one suspects these will have a limited market. Okay if you’re a middle income family. Pity as it is a good idea.

    • People suddenly have money for big fancy Easter eggs I noticed.

    • dannybhoy

      My wife gets mine from Morrisons, but this seems a very good idea and we shall buy smaller ones for the God child and other pesky brats we have the misfortune to be involved with..

    • dannybhoy

      My wife gets mine from Morrisons, but this seems a very good idea and we shall buy smaller ones for the God child and other pesky brats we have the misfortune to be involved with..

    • dannybhoy

      My wife gets mine from Morrisons, but this seems a very good idea and we shall buy smaller ones for the God child and other pesky brats we have the misfortune to be involved with..

    • dannybhoy

      My wife gets mine from Morrisons, but this seems a very good idea and we shall buy smaller ones for the God child and other pesky brats we have the misfortune to be involved with..

    • preacher

      Good to see you back Jack. Now if that was a 10lb egg instead of a £10 one even I might be tempted, for a fiver of course ! .

  • carl jacobs

    I’m afraid to ask…

  • Anton

    I recall Your Grace recommending this company’s Easter eggs last year. I bought one of each type and showed them to our congregation with a recommendation. One is indeed a tenner as Jack says, but the other is a lot cheaper. Both are very fine – and explicitly Christian, as mentioned.

  • Anton

    Delighted!

  • IanCad

    Great news Jack!

  • chiefofsinners

    Because prayer works.
    Linus will be along in a minute to rubbish that comment but he won’t wipe the smile off my face.

    • Lienus

      I ‘ave been praying zat you will all die. If your God was real ‘ee would ‘ave keeled you.

      • Allosexuels admirateur

        Dat is a veery bad ting to say. Yoo ave bin with Findy too long.

        Ooo do yoo pray to?

        • Lienus

          To the greatest and wisest being. The ultimate authority, the one with insight beyond all human comprehension. To Lienus, of course.

          • Allosexuel

            Yoo are the autorité suprême?

            Do not let Findy ear yoo say so. Ee told moi ee is beyond all humaine understanding.

          • Pubcrawler

            Non, c’est cacheton qui is beyond that

          • The Explorer

            cacheton is too profound for me. A lot of the time, I don’t know what he’s talking about. Arguing with Findy is easier: at least I can understand what he’s saying.

          • Cacheton is a New Age gnostic; a neo-theosophist.

          • Pubcrawler

            You can be that precise?

            (Glad to hear your news, BTW)

          • There’s nothing precise about neo-theosophists.
            (Thank you)

          • cacheton

            Explorer called me a Post-Modernist of sorts. Is there a prize for the most labels one gets here?

          • William Lewis

            Booby

          • CliveM

            Whose?

          • William Lewis

            His. Everything relates to him.

          • ( . )

          • William Lewis

            One eyed Jack ?

          • You seek recognition?

          • carl jacobs

            Has he acknowledged this?

          • Of course not. That wouldn’t be “cool”.

          • chiefofsinners

            He has refused to deny it. Went silent when I accused him.

          • The Explorer

            If he’s a theosophist, then the only viewpoint we’re missing on the Blog is that of a Satanist, since Be el ze bub stopped visiting us. Still, I suppose that’s hardly the sort of thing to wish upon oneself, and we may as well be thankful for the absence.

          • Don’t give Findarato (and ‘friends’) ideas.

          • carl jacobs

            the only viewpoint we’re missing on the Blog is that of a Satanist

            Huh? We have Catholics on this weblog.

            [Skitters away and hides]

          • Pubcrawler

            Profound? Nah. I’m reminded of Lucretius’ assessment of Heraclitus: clarus ob obscuram linguam.

          • Or, more succinctly: bullshit.

          • carl jacobs

            Why, Jack! That positive directness of speech you just exhibited. How very American of you. I must be having a good influence.

          • Trying to emulate Donald Trump.

          • carl jacobs

            That was a low blow.

          • Can he be stopped? His nomination will guarantee Clinton the Whitehouse.

          • carl jacobs

            I expected Trump to be roadkill after New Hampshire. So all my predictions have been wrong. But I sure hope so.

            Several years ago, David Duke of the KKK somehow got nominated to run for Governor of Louisiana on the Republican ticket. His Democratic opponent was a corrupt political hack – a criminal. There was a campaign slogan at the time: “Vote for the Crook. Not the racist.” That’s how I feel.

            How bad is it? I might have to vote for Hillary. Then I will shoot myself.

          • Every cloud … ;o)

          • carl jacobs

            You need me around as a thorn in the flesh, Jack. Otherwise you might start to think you can win arguments with Protestants.

          • Arguments are never “won”, Carl. These days Jack tends to argue more with liberal-progressive Catholics than Proddies.

          • Cressida de Nova

            Promise ?

          • *chuckle*

          • The Explorer

            “Thou hast harp’d my fear aright.” ‘Macbeth’ 4:1.

          • Anton

            Time for a swift round in The Punter at 6.30pm on Friday? I’ll have that pub map prominently on the table before me. I also have to drive afterwards so I can’t assist you in living up to your name on this occasion.

          • cacheton

            Alors à partir de maintenant je poste en français!

          • Pubcrawler

            It’ll still be gobbledygook.

          • Allosexuel

            But iit weel ave style.

          • Pubcrawler

            Panache, indeed. Comme votre cher Findus.

  • carl jacobs

    That’s good to hear, Jack. Cranmer’s just wouldn’t be the same without our favorite punching bag. 😉

    • dannybhoy

      All we need now is a return of the greatly missed Mrs Proudie and her well turned buns..

    • dannybhoy

      All we need now is a return of the greatly missed Mrs Proudie and her well turned buns..

    • dannybhoy

      All we need now is a return of the greatly missed Mrs Proudie and her well turned buns..

    • dannybhoy

      All we need now is a return of the greatly missed Mrs Proudie and her well turned buns..

      • William Lewis

        Yes indeed. Mrs Proudie’s buns were something to behold.

        • dannybhoy

          She added a whole(meal) new dimension to the blog, and I always enjoyed her contributions…

  • chiefofsinners

    Where can I get a chocolate John Sentamu?

    • Martin

      CoS

      More use than the real one.

    • dannybhoy

      :0)

    • dannybhoy

      :0)

    • dannybhoy

      :0)

    • dannybhoy

      :0)

    • IanCad

      I’d love to see the reaction if some wise guy were to do exactly that but make him out of white chocolate instead.
      Sure would get the CofE some needed publicity.

    • IanCad

      I’d love to see the reaction if some wise guy were to do exactly that but make him out of white chocolate instead.
      Sure would get the CofE some needed publicity.

    • IanCad

      I’d love to see the reaction if some wise guy were to do exactly that but make him out of white chocolate instead.
      Sure would get the CofE some needed publicity.

    • IanCad

      I’d love to see the reaction if some wise guy were to do exactly that but make him out of white chocolate instead.
      Sure would get the CofE some needed publicity.

      • Pubcrawler

        Quite. I thought the juxtaposition in that pic would elicit such howls of proxy offence to ensure great publicity for the initiative. But maybe Sentamu doesn’t belong to the favoured sort, for reasons that escape me…

    • Inspector General

      {HOWL!}

    • Inspector General

      {HOWL!}

    • Inspector General

      {HOWL!}

    • Inspector General

      {HOWL!}

      • Martin

        werewolf?

        • carl jacobs

          There wolf. There castle.

          Update: It occurs to me that the above reference might be too obscure for the inhabitants of the culturally-deprived realms of Europe.

          • The Explorer

            Thank you. The reference was lost on me until the vide clarified it.

          • Uncle Brian

            Frankenstein (in train): Pardon me, boy, is this the Transylvania Station?

            Boy (on platform): Track 29. Can I give you a shine?

          • carl jacobs

            Thanks. That song will be in my mind all night…

        • chiefofsinners

          Raised by hyenas. Not easy, but there were a lot of laughs along the way.

        • Martin

          What a bunch of witty replies, thanks guys.

    • Allosexuel

      Wood yoo like a chocolate Findy?

      • chiefofsinners

        How would I tell it apart from my chocolate Linus?

        • Allosexuel

          Findy is bitter and stale. Ee is passé sa vente par date.

          • chiefofsinners

            The bitterness is due to the high cacao content.

          • Allosexuel

            Non, j’uriné dans le mélange. Teel no one.

          • chiefofsinners

            Trouble with the pissoire again?

  • preacher

    Let’s be practical – buy a large bar of chocolate ( More chocolate so better value ) & donate the £10 to a charity or charities of your choice. All happy !.

  • preacher

    Let’s be practical – buy a large bar of chocolate ( More chocolate so better value ) & donate the £10 to a charity or charities of your choice. All happy !.

  • preacher

    Let’s be practical – buy a large bar of chocolate ( More chocolate so better value ) & donate the £10 to a charity or charities of your choice. All happy !.

    • Martin

      Of course you could also buy bulk chocolate and some moulds and have great fun making the eggs. Followed by eating them.

  • len

    Great news!.

  • len

    Great news!.

  • len

    Great news!.

  • sarky

    You got me. I shall make haste to my secret island, where I shall retire to come up with my next dastardly plan to take over the world
    wah ha ha ha ha

  • sarky

    Duh!

  • sarky

    You got me. I shall make haste to my secret island, where I shall retire to come up with my next dastardly plan to take over the world
    wah ha ha ha ha

  • sarky

    Duh!

  • sarky

    Nice one Jack.

  • sarky

    Nice one Jack.

  • sarky

    Nice one Jack.

  • sarky

    Martin, have a read and get informed (although I doubt you will)

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php

  • sarky

    Martin, have a read and get informed (although I doubt you will)

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php

  • The Explorer

    in ‘The WInter’s Tale’ Paulina says, “I , an old turtle, will wing me to some wither’d bough.”

  • The Explorer

    in ‘The WInter’s Tale’ Paulina says, “I , an old turtle, will wing me to some wither’d bough.”

  • Martin

    Of course you could also buy bulk chocolate and some moulds and have great fun making the eggs. Followed by eating them.

  • Martin

    Of course you could also buy bulk chocolate and some moulds and have great fun making the eggs. Followed by eating them.

  • len

    And when Easter(pagan festival) is over and all the ‘dinosaurs’ have been eaten and many of the ‘Christians’ survive ?. Must be a message in there somewhere?.

  • len

    And when Easter(pagan festival) is over and all the ‘dinosaurs’ have been eaten and many of the ‘Christians’ survive ?. Must be a message in there somewhere?.

  • len

    And when Easter(pagan festival) is over and all the ‘dinosaurs’ have been eaten and many of the ‘Christians’ survive ?. Must be a message in there somewhere?.

  • len

    And when Easter(pagan festival) is over and all the ‘dinosaurs’ have been eaten and many of the ‘Christians’ survive ?. Must be a message in there somewhere?.

  • Darter Noster

    That’s great news HJ :o)

  • Darter Noster

    That’s great news HJ :o)

  • Darter Noster

    That’s great news HJ :o)

  • Dreadnaught

    It isn’t Victorian ps its very much a part of the font of human knowledge and always will be; unlike Spiritualism which I think is more of your line of country.

  • Dreadnaught

    It isn’t Victorian ps its very much a part of the font of human knowledge and always will be; unlike Spiritualism which I think is more of your line of country.

  • Dreadnaught

    It isn’t Victorian ps its very much a part of the font of human knowledge and always will be; unlike Spiritualism which I think is more of your line of country.

  • Dreadnaught

    It isn’t Victorian ps its very much a part of the font of human knowledge and always will be; unlike Spiritualism which I think is more of your line of country.

    • Martin

      Dreadnaught

      Of course it’s Victorian, indeed it hasn’t advanced much since that. Compared to genetics, that Mendel was instrumental in kick-starting at about the same time, it hasn’t moved at all. All Evolution has given us is error and dead ends.

      • Dreadnaught

        Before Mendel it was common world knowledge that matching the desired characteristics in two of a species would result in a genetic change that eventually leads to variations in breeds of animal to suit the purpose to which they would be put. That is evolution in action before your eyes.
        You being a fundamental literalist of the Bible stories has closed your mind to the world around you.
        Ignorance is bliss as they say – and that is what you stand for.

        • Martin

          Dreadnaught

          Variation can be produced by genetic manipulation but they never result in Evolution, as Richard Lenski’s experiment showed. Such variation that is observed is not Evolution and to claim otherwise is rank dishonesty.

          • Dreadnaught

            What is evolution other than genetic change? There are hundreds of thousands of scientific papers and research documents that show that life is continually evolving every nano-second. There have been more extinctions of life-forms than there are currently on the planet. You seem to think that evolution is the same as morphing into something else overnight. You are clearly ignorant of the process yet you claim to have ‘read’ about it. That is pipe dream my friend – if not a blatant lie.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            The research documents show nothing of the sort and Evolution requires more than just genetic change. Even this page admits it: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_02

            Evolution does claim that forms of life morph into others, it’s just a bit vague on how and over what sort of time period it occurs. Stephen Gould and Niles Eldredge invented punctuated equilibrium because the fossil record shows stasis rather than change, the implication being that the changes are quite rapid. Generally though, believers in Evolution are vague on the matter.

            Of course the extinctions in the fossil record are due to the Flood.

          • Dreadnaught

            You would do well to spend more time reading about evolution and geological time (even at the site your quote) than grasping at straws that you would like to see that talk about the ‘flood’ and the Earth being 6000 years old.
            Enough of this – I’m out.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            When you can demonstrate the descent of all life from an original form and the vast aeons of geological time, I might take you seriously.

            As for the Flood, the rocks proclaim it.

          • Dreadnaught

            I can’t give you the neat package for the origin of life on Earth any more than you can prove your version of a god exists or provide one jot of testable evidence.
            You are away with the fairies lad.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            We all know that God exists, you included, so I have no need to prove anything. However, the claim you share in is that Evolution is scientific, yet you cannot even demonstrate the process. Nor can you provide evidence for those vast aeons of time that are insufficient for this notional process.

            So what have you got that supports your claims? The writings of Darwin who is dead or Richard Dawkins who soon will be?

            Forgive me if I regard you as a gullible idiot, you certainly seem like one.

  • Dreadnaught

    Absolute Rubbish – Stuff and Nonsense.

  • Dreadnaught

    Absolute Rubbish – Stuff and Nonsense.

  • Dreadnaught

    Absolute Rubbish – Stuff and Nonsense.

  • Dreadnaught

    Absolute Rubbish – Stuff and Nonsense.

    • Martin

      Dreadnaught

      Prove me wrong.

      • Dreadnaught

        Prove you are correct.

        • Martin

          Dreadnaught

          That you cannot demonstrate the descent of all life from an original form and prove me wrong is my proof.

          • Dreadnaught

            HaHaHaHaHa – Ditto the Supernatural.

          • Martin

            Dreadnaught

            So what you dread is what defeats you. You have no evidence for your position.

  • Dreadnaught

    Your wasting your time Sarks – you can’t shake shit off a shoe.

  • Dreadnaught

    Your wasting your time Sarks – you can’t shake shit off a shoe.

  • Dreadnaught

    Your wasting your time Sarks – you can’t shake shit off a shoe.

  • Dreadnaught

    Your wasting your time Sarks – you can’t shake shit off a shoe.

    • DanJ0

      I’m 99% sure he’s a troll now after some recent testing on my part. He’s too much of a caricature. No-one can be that dim, he’s overplayed his part.

      • Dreadnaught

        I’m 100% sure the Sephardi Jewish family is one guy too.

      • sarky

        Unfortunately he’s not. Just Google the name on his profile.

        • DanJ0

          Even on Twatter he just cycles around the same four motifs over and over again.

  • sarky

    Sorry, I meant ‘duh’ to me. Should have guessed turtle Dove.

  • Dreadnaught

    Less of the WE – I’m not at all sure that you are not serious about Jurassic Park; you do believe in some very strange things.

  • sarky

    Sorry, I meant ‘duh’ to me. Should have guessed turtle Dove.

  • Dreadnaught

    Less of the WE – I’m not at all sure that you are not serious about Jurassic Park; you do believe in some very strange things.

  • sarky

    Sorry, I meant ‘duh’ to me. Should have guessed turtle Dove.

  • Dreadnaught

    Less of the WE – I’m not at all sure that you are not serious about Jurassic Park; you do believe in some very strange things.

  • sarky

    Sorry, I meant ‘duh’ to me. Should have guessed turtle Dove.

  • Dreadnaught

    Less of the WE – I’m not at all sure that you are not serious about Jurassic Park; you do believe in some very strange things.

  • sarky

    Glimmers?? More like explosians of blinding light.

  • sarky

    Glimmers?? More like explosians of blinding light.

  • sarky

    Glimmers?? More like explosians of blinding light.

  • sarky

    Glimmers?? More like explosians of blinding light.

    • I’m glad to know that. Then it won’t be long before you find the ‘Way’.

      • sarky

        I thought you said light, not ‘the light’. ‘The light’ is conspicuous by its abscence.

    • Martin

      Sarky

      That was probably when someone poked you in the eye.

  • I’m glad to know that. Then it won’t be long before you find the ‘Way’.

  • I’m glad to know that. Then it won’t be long before you find the ‘Way’.

  • I’m glad to know that. Then it won’t be long before you find the ‘Way’.

  • Pubcrawler

    Pentecost, maybe? Passover?

  • Pubcrawler

    Pentecost, maybe? Passover?

  • Pubcrawler

    Pentecost, maybe? Passover?

  • Pubcrawler

    Pentecost, maybe? Passover?

    • Martin

      PC

      Only by the Jews (including Jewish Christians), Gentile Christians are only recorded as having celebrated the Lord’s Day.

  • Pubcrawler

    That the Feast happens to be known by that name (only in the English-speaking world) is an accident of local history, not an indication of its origin. It’s a tiresome canard that is long overdue turning into a confit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

  • Pubcrawler

    That the Feast happens to be known by that name (only in the English-speaking world) is an accident of local history, not an indication of its origin. It’s a tiresome canard that is long overdue turning into a confit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

  • Pubcrawler

    That the Feast happens to be known by that name (only in the English-speaking world) is an accident of local history, not an indication of its origin. It’s a tiresome canard that is long overdue turning into a confit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

  • Pubcrawler

    That the Feast happens to be known by that name (only in the English-speaking world) is an accident of local history, not an indication of its origin. It’s a tiresome canard that is long overdue turning into a confit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

  • Dreadnaught

    I do that regularly without being motivated by religious connotations.

  • Dreadnaught

    I do that regularly without being motivated by religious connotations.

  • Dreadnaught

    I do that regularly without being motivated by religious connotations.

  • Dreadnaught

    I do that regularly without being motivated by religious connotations.

    • dannybhoy

      Ewwwww..
      Get you!

      • Dreadnaught

        Now Now Dandini – this is not like you…

        • dannybhoy

          I just knew you’d take the bait!
          You gotta admit you laid yourself open to that one. You don’t do pompous… ;0)

          • Dreadnaught

            Your are quite right I don’t do pompous. I think its rather pompous to try to tie charitable giving to religious provenance.

          • dannybhoy

            Well you could interpret it that way I grant you.
            Or you could look past the wording and see it as Christians suddenly having a good idea. This is the best blog I know of where Christians off all shapes and sizes can talk to each other and discuss issues.

          • Dreadnaught

            I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can but I do have a weakness for chocolate of the Alpine shape variety. Those little triangles forcefully remind me of the science of plate tectonics when laid out individually arranged at table top eye-level: just a little reminder of the sweetness of modern scientific revelation. (Joke)

          • dannybhoy

            Billy Connolly had a thing or two to say about Toblerone..
            Not one of his best sketches, but still funny.
            “I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can..”
            Human beings are made in the image of God, and therefore designed to be caring as well as inquisitive about the world around them Dreaders.
            I hope you find this a comfort of sorts..

          • Dreadnaught

            Not as much as an unopened bar of Tob.

          • dannybhoy

            Tob does your gums in and ruins your tastebuds.
            Danny has experience of these things.

          • Dreadnaught

            Ewwwww – too much information!

          • dannybhoy

            You’re a good sort Dreadnaught.

          • Dreadnaught

            Not so bad yourself Gummy! 🙂

    • preacher

      Hey Dread, I didn’t mention religious motivation did I ?. When I said All I even included Dentists of all persuasions or none ! .

      • Dreadnaught

        Well you do go by the moniker Preacher.

        • preacher

          Well if the cap fits ! .

    • William Lewis

      So you are motivated by chocolate? I don’t blame you.

  • dannybhoy

    Very pleased for you and your family Jack.
    …………….
    Either God has more work for you to do, or your term in Purgatory has just been extended.
    Great blessings either way!

  • dannybhoy

    Ewwwww..
    Get you!

  • dannybhoy

    Very pleased for you and your family Jack.
    …………….
    Either God has more work for you to do, or your term in Purgatory has just been extended.
    Great blessings either way!

  • dannybhoy

    Ewwwww..
    Get you!

  • dannybhoy

    Very pleased for you and your family Jack.
    …………….
    Either God has more work for you to do, or your term in Purgatory has just been extended.
    Great blessings either way!

  • dannybhoy

    Ewwwww..
    Get you!

  • dannybhoy

    Very pleased for you and your family Jack.
    …………….
    Either God has more work for you to do, or your term in Purgatory has just been extended.
    Great blessings either way!

  • Dreadnaught

    Now Now Dandini – this is not like you…

  • Dreadnaught

    Now Now Dandini – this is not like you…

  • Dreadnaught

    Now Now Dandini – this is not like you…

  • preacher

    I’ve never seen the point of chocolate eggs Martin, you cant fry them, scramble or boil them & they make a lousy Omelette.

  • preacher

    I’ve never seen the point of chocolate eggs Martin, you cant fry them, scramble or boil them & they make a lousy Omelette.

  • preacher

    I’ve never seen the point of chocolate eggs Martin, you cant fry them, scramble or boil them & they make a lousy Omelette.

  • preacher

    I’ve never seen the point of chocolate eggs Martin, you cant fry them, scramble or boil them & they make a lousy Omelette.

    • Martin

      Preacher

      Agreed, but you can eat them as they are. At the moment Aldi have some fairly cheap moulds, if you were interested.

  • dannybhoy

    I just knew you’d take the bait!
    You gotta admit you laid yourself open to that one. You don’t do pompous… ;0)

  • dannybhoy

    I just knew you’d take the bait!
    You gotta admit you laid yourself open to that one. You don’t do pompous… ;0)

  • dannybhoy

    I just knew you’d take the bait!
    You gotta admit you laid yourself open to that one. You don’t do pompous… ;0)

  • dannybhoy

    Martin,
    besides dodgy theology, you also have a weakness for chocolate?

  • dannybhoy

    Martin,
    besides dodgy theology, you also have a weakness for chocolate?

  • dannybhoy

    Martin,
    besides dodgy theology, you also have a weakness for chocolate?

  • dannybhoy

    Martin,
    besides dodgy theology, you also have a weakness for chocolate?

    • Martin

      Danny

      I can make an egg last for a couple of weeks, but I enjoy it. And my theology is not dodgy as far as anyone has been able to show from Scripture.

      • dannybhoy

        Martin I can demolish an egg in twenty minutes. Twenty five minutes if I’m sharing.
        Your theology is dodgy, as I have shown in times past…
        Jonah 3>
        ” 4 And Jonah began to enter the city on the first day’s walk. Then he cried out and said, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown! 5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest to the least of them. 6 Then word came to the king of Nineveh; and he arose from his throne and laid aside his robe, covered himself with sackcloth and sat in ashes. 7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published throughout Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying,

        Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; do not let them eat, or drink water. 8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily to God; yes, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands. 9 Who can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away from His fierce anger, so that we may not perish?

        10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.

        • Martin

          Danny

          I could do that, but then I wouldn’t enjoy the chocolate as much.

          I’m not sure how you think that the description of God’s act in anthropomorphic terms damages my theology.

          • dannybhoy

            This passage of Scripture does not support irresistible grace..

          • Martin

            Danny

            Its subject isn’t irresistible grace but the repentance of a people. For God work in salvation there are other passages.

          • dannybhoy

            Ooops!
            Did I mean irresistible repentance?
            I seem to remember that your theology states that human nature is so corrupt that man cannot even repent unless God causes them to do so.

          • Martin

            Danny

            So it follows that God worked in the hearts of those people to cause them to repent.

          • dannybhoy

            Not so brother Martin.
            What it means is what it says…
            God told Jonah to go and proclaim God’s judgement on the wickedness of the people of Nineveh..
            They repented in sackcloth and ashes and prayer and fasting.
            God therefore withheld His judgement.
            They repented out of their own free will.
            “….Let everyone turn back from his evil ways and from the injustice of which he is guilty.9. Who knows but that God may turn and relent? He may turn back from His wrath so that we do not perish.”
            10 God saw what they did, how they were turning back from their evil ways and God renounced the punishment He had planned to bring upon them and did not carry it out.”

          • Martin

            Danny

            How do the dead have free will?

            And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
            (Ephesians 2:1-5 [ESV])

            Indeed, at the end of the book we are told of God’s pity for the city:

            And the LORD said, You pity the plant, for which you did not labor, nor did you make it grow, which came into being in a night and perished in a night. And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle?
            (Jonah 4:10-11 [ESV])

            So it was God’s pity for the city that caused Him to save it.

          • dannybhoy

            “How do the dead have free will?”
            They are dead spiritually Martin. Until they accept God’s judgement that this is so, and accept Christ as Saviour, they remain dead in their sins…

            (In fact you answer your own question in the verses you quoted..
            “But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— ”

            It is God’s grace that makes salvation available to us sinners, and it is His gift of free will which makes us able to respond.
            Which then leads us to…
            ….Let everyone turn back from his evil ways and from the injustice of which he is guilty.9. Who knows but that God may turn and relent? He may turn back from His wrath so that we do not perish.”
            10 God saw what they did, how they were turning back from their evil ways and God renounced the punishment He had planned to bring upon them and did not carry it out.

            It was because the Ninevites’ fear of judgement leading to repentance that fulfilled the conditions for God to withold His judgement.
            Compare too,
            Genesis 13>
            ” 12 Abram dwelt in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelt in the cities of the plain and pitched his tent even as far as Sodom. 13 But the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the Lord.”
            Genesis 15>
            “And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
            Genesis 18>
            “” 20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

            It seems that God allows a level of sin before He intervenes, but it is quite clear that God holds men responsible for the evil that they do, and that sin includes turning away from the salvation that He has provided for us.
            “the outcry against it that has come to Me”
            Is interesting. Is it the outcry of righteous men, or angels that God has appointed as ‘overseers’, or a combination thereof?

          • Martin

            Danny

            They are dead in their sins and so will not repent, they will not accept God’s judgement. Look at those Atheists here, do they look as if they have any concept of their sin? They are proud i their wickedness, they will not repent.

            It is God who makes the dead alive, and until they are made alive they cannot repent. God doesn’t just make salvation available, He saves. We have no input into that process, for then we would have something to boast of, our acceptance when others reject. We do not accept the gospel, like Saul on the road to Damascus we are stopped in our tracks by an act of God.

            We do not have free will, for the dead do not have free will. Unless God saves us we are slaves to our sin, having no free will.

            Do the Atheists here fear judgement? It certainly seems as if they do not. They may want to silence those who tell them of judgement, but they don’t fear it.

            The men of Sodom had a prophet in their midst and didn’t heed him, why were they different from the men of Nineveh? Were they better, was it the prophet that made the difference or was it God?

            What was the origin of the outcry? We’re certainly told that Lot was distressed by those he lived among, but does not the blood of the innocent cry out to God, Gen4:10?

          • dannybhoy

            Martin, we’re going through the hoops again, but it’s worth it I think.
            We have no input into that process, for then we would have something to boast of, our acceptance when others reject.
            See, I just don’t see the logic of that statement, nor the Scriptural basis. How could anyone boast that they chose to be saved?!
            It’s a nonsense. We have nothing to boast about.

            We have no input into that process, for then we would have something to boast of, our acceptance when others reject.
            The Scriptures make it quite clear that God holds us responsible for our own sins, our rebellion against Him.
            As I have quoted you before, He says, “Come let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet they shall become like snow…”
            and many many more passages where God tells people to repent.
            If we were incapable of repenting God could not require of us that we do so.
            (As an aside I do wonder whether the Church has lost sight of the need to preach Biblical repentance in the light of God’s Judgement upon mankind; as we see in Jonah and as many evangelists and preachers used to do..)
            As to why men do not repent, that is for them to answer to God in that Day.
            What is obvious on this site, is that there are some who ask questions from a sincere heart and some who ask out of malice and mockery.
            I always try to answer questions about faith in Christ, but I am too long in the tooth not to recognise insincerity and malice aforethought.
            Okay, your turn now.

          • Martin

            Danny

            Of course you can boast if you chose to be saved, you showed more wisdom than the one who did not. After all, you chose what is right and they didn’t.

            Of course we are responsible for our own sins, that does not mean that we can repent, even if God commands us to do so, for our sins prevent us from repenting. So you see, it is our fault that we cannot repent.

          • dannybhoy

            When God confronts us with our own selfishness, sinfulness and rebellion, we have no option other than to accept the truth.
            Perhaps that’s where we are misunderstanding each other.
            “Our sins prevent us from repenting..”
            “14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
            1 Corinthians 2.
            The unsaved man is in rebellion against God and does not understand, but there are many examples in Scripture of people considered ‘righteous’ and who sought after God; so I still don’t agree with you. Most people are in rebellion against God, but there are people who seek Him too.
            But again, I think it is the preaching of the Word that God uses to convict hearts of sin.

          • Martin

            Danny

            Those who are considered righteous are those who are saved. Men will not seek Go until He causes them to, and He does cause the preaching of His word to do that.

  • Dreadnaught

    Your are quite right I don’t do pompous. I think its rather pompous to try to tie charitable giving to religious provenance.

  • Dreadnaught

    Your are quite right I don’t do pompous. I think its rather pompous to try to tie charitable giving to religious provenance.

  • Dreadnaught

    Your are quite right I don’t do pompous. I think its rather pompous to try to tie charitable giving to religious provenance.

  • dannybhoy

    Well you could interpret it that way I grant you.
    Or you could look past the wording and see it as Christians suddenly having a good idea. This is the best blog I know of where Christians off all shapes and sizes can talk to each other and discuss issues.

  • dannybhoy

    Well you could interpret it that way I grant you.
    Or you could look past the wording and see it as Christians suddenly having a good idea. This is the best blog I know of where Christians off all shapes and sizes can talk to each other and discuss issues.

  • dannybhoy

    Well you could interpret it that way I grant you.
    Or you could look past the wording and see it as Christians suddenly having a good idea. This is the best blog I know of where Christians off all shapes and sizes can talk to each other and discuss issues.

  • Dreadnaught

    I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can but I do have a weakness for chocolate of the Alpine shape variety. Those little triangles forcefully remind me of the science of plate tectonics when laid out individually arranged at table top eye-level: just a little reminder of the sweetness of modern scientific revelation. (Joke)

  • preacher

    Hey Dread, I didn’t mention religious motivation did I ?. When I said All I even included Dentists of all persuasions or none ! .

  • Dreadnaught

    I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can but I do have a weakness for chocolate of the Alpine shape variety. Those little triangles forcefully remind me of the science of plate tectonics when laid out individually arranged at table top eye-level: just a little reminder of the sweetness of modern scientific revelation. (Joke)

  • preacher

    Hey Dread, I didn’t mention religious motivation did I ?. When I said All I even included Dentists of all persuasions or none ! .

  • Dreadnaught

    I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can but I do have a weakness for chocolate of the Alpine shape variety. Those little triangles forcefully remind me of the science of plate tectonics when laid out individually arranged at table top eye-level: just a little reminder of the sweetness of modern scientific revelation. (Joke)

  • preacher

    Hey Dread, I didn’t mention religious motivation did I ?. When I said All I even included Dentists of all persuasions or none ! .

  • dannybhoy

    Billy Connolly had a thing or two to say about Toblerone..
    Not one of his best sketches, but still funny.
    “I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can..”
    Human beings are made in the image of God, and therefore designed to be caring as well as inquisitive about the world around them Dreaders.
    I hope you find this a comfort of sorts..

  • dannybhoy

    Billy Connolly had a thing or two to say about Toblerone..
    Not one of his best sketches, but still funny.
    “I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can..”
    Human beings are made in the image of God, and therefore designed to be caring as well as inquisitive about the world around them Dreaders.
    I hope you find this a comfort of sorts..

  • dannybhoy

    Billy Connolly had a thing or two to say about Toblerone..
    Not one of his best sketches, but still funny.
    “I do give to charity and strive to help a struggler when I can..”
    Human beings are made in the image of God, and therefore designed to be caring as well as inquisitive about the world around them Dreaders.
    I hope you find this a comfort of sorts..

  • Dreadnaught

    Not as much as an unopened bar of Tob.

  • Dreadnaught

    Not as much as an unopened bar of Tob.

  • Dreadnaught

    Not as much as an unopened bar of Tob.

  • dannybhoy

    Tob does your gums in and ruins your tastebuds.
    Danny has experience of these things.

  • dannybhoy

    Tob does your gums in and ruins your tastebuds.
    Danny has experience of these things.

  • dannybhoy

    Tob does your gums in and ruins your tastebuds.
    Danny has experience of these things.

  • Dreadnaught

    Ewwwww – too much information!

  • Dreadnaught

    Ewwwww – too much information!

  • Dreadnaught

    Ewwwww – too much information!

  • Dreadnaught

    Well you do go by the moniker Preacher.

  • Dreadnaught

    Well you do go by the moniker Preacher.

  • Dreadnaught

    Well you do go by the moniker Preacher.

  • dannybhoy

    You’re a good sort Dreadnaught.

  • dannybhoy

    You’re a good sort Dreadnaught.

  • dannybhoy

    You’re a good sort Dreadnaught.

  • Dreadnaught

    Not so bad yourself Gummy! 🙂

  • Dreadnaught

    Not so bad yourself Gummy! 🙂

  • Dreadnaught

    Not so bad yourself Gummy! 🙂

  • preacher

    Well if the cap fits ! .

  • preacher

    Well if the cap fits ! .

  • preacher

    Well if the cap fits ! .

  • preacher

    To be honest, I can’t see any connection in either of the offerings that relate even remotely to the events of 2000 years ago.

  • preacher

    To be honest, I can’t see any connection in either of the offerings that relate even remotely to the events of 2000 years ago.

  • preacher

    To be honest, I can’t see any connection in either of the offerings that relate even remotely to the events of 2000 years ago.

  • preacher

    To be honest, I can’t see any connection in either of the offerings that relate even remotely to the events of 2000 years ago.

  • Uncle Brian

    That’s very good news, Jack. Congratulations on your recovery!

  • All the Jewish festivals were celebrated by Jesus.

    • Martin

      HJ

      And Jesus wasn’t a Christian.

      Congratulations on your news btw.

  • It was the Hail Mary’s that synched it, Len.

    • dannybhoy

      Huh!
      It was the prayers of the ‘bleddy Protestants’ on this blog who wanted at least one Cat’lic soul to show for their efforts….

      • Have you learned nothing, Danny?!
        Proddy prayer is only efficacious because of the existence of the Catholic Church.

        • dannybhoy

          Ha Ha!
          Next you’ll be telling me that our Lord has favourites!
          Have a great weekend my Catholic friend..

          • Favourites? No. There are Catholics and then there’s the rest.

          • dannybhoy

            “But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the *confused of Catholicism*”
            “Matthew 15:24 (NKJV)

          • There you go. Another Proddy making scripture up to suit himself.

          • Wonderful; news xxx

          • Thanks, Tibs. How’s your mum keeping?

          • Thankfully came through the operation, is out of intensive care and on a normal ward, but still very sleepy and somewhat confused. We did joke with her that there are so many people praying for her they’ve had to open extra pigeon holes in Heaven’s
            prayer office 🙂

          • Great news.

        • Cressida de Nova

          Indeed Jack. Wonderful news !

    • len

      LOL.

  • IrishNeanderthal

    Now this is what I call an Easter egg. (Christ is risen, in Ukrainian.)

    • Uncle Brian

      The Russians weren’t always so concerned with the authenticity of the Christian character of Easter.

      http://tinyurl.com/faberge-eggs-pix

      • carl jacobs

        Ouch. I’m not sure that Ukrainians would appreciate being called Russians.

        • Uncle Brian

          Yes, that was careless of me! But I think Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire at the time, wasn’t it?

          • carl jacobs

            Yes, and it will be again. Russia must re-absorb Ukraine to be a great power, and Ukraine isn’t strong enough to prevent it.

  • The Explorer

    Just had a look at the Easter Egg section in my local supermarket. No dinosaurs, but lots of chocolate owls and chocolate hedgehogs. If chocolate is the real meaning of Easter – which is what society teaches kids it is – then hey, if you’re a manufacturer think of an animal shape that’ll sell, and go for it!

  • Right, that’s Easter sorted. Mince pies next?

  • petej

    Why are dinosaurs “pagan”?

    • chiefofsinners

      When was the last time you saw one in church?

      • petej

        Never. They are extinct. I don’t remember seeing eggs in church either though.

  • chiaramonti

    Wonderful news, Jack. God has blessed you for a purpose. Keep up the good work!

    • Why thank you and God Bless you too, Chiaramonti.

  • Thank God, indeed, Jack. Very, very good news.

  • Rob West

    Marks and Spencer’s Jewel poppy has raised over £700,000 for the Royal British Legion over the past 2 years, just saying 😉

  • Rob West

    “And unlike the M&S Dinosaur Easter Egg, the Real Easter Egg has so far raised more than £200,000 for charity.”

    Marks and Spencer’s Jewel poppy has raised over £700,000 for the Royal British Legion over the past 2 years, just saying 😉