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Marsha Levine – the Cambridge academic who refused to answer Israeli child's question, citing BDS

 

Dr Marsha Levine was a fellow and senior research associate in the McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research at Cambridge University, which “serves as an interdisciplinary hub aiming to provide a shared intellectual home for archaeologists at Cambridge with a programme of seminars, workshops, conferences, publications and research grants as well as laboratory space for a wide range of archaeological research which crosses continents, periods and approaches in its exploration of the diversity of the human past”.

Excluding Israelis.

Or is it Jews?

She is a world renowned expert in archaeology and anthropology, with a particular interest in the history of the domestication of horses. She also enjoys photography, explaining that her research travels put her “in a position to meet people and visit places inaccessible to most other travellers”. She tries “to take advantage of this as much as possible, photographing people, places, nature, landscapes, cityscapes, wild and domestic plants and animals, traditions and life-styles in a rapidly changing world”.

Except Israelis.

Or is it Jews?

A young Israeli Jewish girl named Shachar Rabinovitch, from the small town of Zichron Yaakov near Haifa, wrote to Dr Levine for help with a school research project:

Hello!

My name is Shachar Rabinovitch and I’m from Israel.

I know you are a very important person and I’ve read your article about horses. I love horses very much.. I’m doing an assessment for school about horses, and it will be great if you can answer a few questions that I will ask.

1. What ancient horses breeds preserved and were a base to the breeds we know today?

2. How did the ancient humens created new breeds or kept the ones who already were existent?

3. What ancient horse breed the ancient humens used the most and what were those uses?

4. Where did the ancient horses breeds lived?

Thank you for reading my questions,

Shachar Rabinovitch

The letter was respectful, polite, inquisitive and impressively precise for a 13-year-old. You might think that it would be the sort of wide-eyed enquiry at which an Oxbridge academic might smile and nod contentedly while poring over the Guardian and munching their morning muesli. The girl is, after all, only 13, and took the initiative to write to Cambridge herself: there was no prompting from parents or schoolteachers. Here is Dr Levine’s response:

Dear Shachar Rabinovich:

I’ll answer your questions when there is peace and justice for Palestinians in Palestine.

I am a member of Jews for Justice for Palestinians. I support Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions. You might be a child, but if you are old enough to write to me, you are old enough to learn about Israeli history and how it has impacted on the lives of Palestinian people. Maybe your family has the same views as I do, but I doubt it. So, I suggest that you look at this link: http://jfjfp.com/?page_id=338

yours sincerely

Dr Marsha Levine

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?‘ (Mt 7:9f). Remember that Shachar Rabinovich is just 13 years old. You might wonder if Dr Levine would be so sneeringly dismissive of (say) Chinese children, citing the appalling treatment of Tibet; or Iranian children, citing the flogging of bloggers and the beheading of democracy activists? Well, wonder no more. Dr Levine told the Telegraph “that if a school student from a different country had got in touch with her to ask about horses, she would have responded differently”.

So, it’s only Israeli children who get given stones and snakes when they ask for bread and fish. Which is a bit odd, when you think about it.

Does Marsha Levine have any idea how the Egyptians have treated Palestinians since 1948? Does she know the social deprivation they suffer in Lebanon, or the economic hardship the endure in Jordan? Has she not heard of Assad’s fierce persecution of Palestinian communities or the fact that he has “starved and murdered” thousands of them? And what about the Palestinians in Iraq who are subject to “discrimination, sectarian violence and ruthless killing by the Iraqi government”?

Has she bothered to research the mass expulsion of Palestinians by Arab Muslim countries, like Saudi Arabia, Libya and Kuwait, of which Yasser Arafat declared that “what Kuwait did to the Palestinian people is worse than what has been done by Israel to Palestinians in the occupied territories”?

Israel has indeed killed Palestinians in its offensives against Gaza. Every death is a tragedy, especially those of children. Some of the pictures coming out of the war zone are brutal, distressing and heartbreaking. God weeps at the suffering. If there is meaning and purpose in the pain, it is lost to the world’s baffled intellects.

But it is a curious that Dr Marsha Levine should single out Israel for special treatment. After all, the Palestinians have suffered far greater atrocities at the hands of their Arab brothers and co-religionists than they have the Jews. The Arab persecution of Palestinians is well-documented. Hundreds of thousands have been displaced; tens of thousands terrorised, persecuted and ethnically cleansed; and many hundreds summarily slaughtered.

But the Arab League has been mute. There have been no resolutions adopted by the UN Security Council or by the General Assembly. Not a word is heard from the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees or any of its special committee dedicated investigating Israeli transgressions. And not a peep from the Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights.

All remain silent.

Of the 1991 Kuwaiti mass expulsion of 300,000 Palestinians, one observer lamented: “You can call it deportation… But I call it the third catastrophe after 1948 and 1967. Imagine what would happen if Israel deported 300,000 people. The whole world would be up in arms. But when an Arab deports or kills his Arab brother, it’s all right; nothing happens.”

Indeed.

But those who dare to speak up for Israelis against BDS or defend Netanyahu’s actions are subject to all manner of verbal or physical abuse., especially on the university campus. It is almost a conspiracy of silence: a global collusion to demonise Israel and deflect from the greater horror the world is about to face.

But to penalise a 13-year-old Israeli child for the actions of her country’s government is not just petty: it is singly spiteful, educationally malicious and racially vindictive. After all, Dr Levine spurned this child’s innocent questions purely because they came from an Israeli Jew: there was no enquiry at all into the child’s (or parents’) personal political beliefs (should they have any).

Marsha Levine doesn’t give a fig for Palestine or the Palestinians: she just hates Jews, who, she told the Jewish Chronicle, “have become Nazis”. She justified her response to this child thus:

I didn’t ask her to email me. I don’t know how she got my email address. I can do whatever I want. I didn’t invite her to email me. If she wanted to read anything I had written she could find it on the internet.

I made the decision that I have the choice not to waste my time on people who tread on the rights of other people. I didn’t do anything to her. I said that when there is justice for Palestine I will answer her – that’s a fair answer. I’m a signatory to Jews for Justice for Palestinians and I sent her a link. I did it as a matter of conscience. The way Israel treats Palestinians is totally disgusting.

The violence against Palestinians never stops. The people who live in Gaza cannot get education, health, water. What does it say about Jews that they support that? Jews have turned themselves into monsters.

I want this girl not to worry about horses. I don’t need people emailing me. I’m not an academic anymore. My research was all in the past. I’m doing other things now. I don’t see any obligation to further her ego or make her feel better about herself. I don’t think it’s about her – I think it’s about her parents.

I gave her useful information which might help her for the rest of her life. I have to stand up for what I believe in.

Benjamin Netanyahu wants ethnic cleansing. The Jews have become the Nazis. Jews are behaving just like the people who treated them. It’s not all Israelis or all Jews.

It’s really fascinating that the JC and the people behind it claim they speak for Jews. You don’t speak for me. Never once was I quoted correctly in the past, not even about the bloody horses. I want justice for Palestine.

Jews have turned themselves into monsters? The Jews have become the Nazis? The mouth speaks what the heart is full of. Marsha Levine isn’t an objective, compassionate critic of Israeli politics: she is an antisemitic, racist bigot. The child asked about the bread and fish of equine history: Marsha Levine gave her the stones and snakes of Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions.

Whether professional educators or not, the mature, adult parental impulse is to guide children to turn their callow eyes to the light so that they might see and understand for themselves. Their ideas are formed through inquiry and interrogation, chiming with their developing tastes and interests. They derive knowledge of what is good and true as they grow in wisdom, sitting at the feet of the wise and keeping company with selfless and steadfast of society. Education builds character and transforms the mind. Sadly, not even a Cambridge PhD enlightened Marsha Levine in the philosophy and purpose of education.

  • sarky

    She may have got kudos from her salad munching sychophants, but hopefully the rest of us see this forwhat it is, bullying and discrimination of a child . I really hate the fact that legitimate debate is being shut down by so called ‘academics’, sacrificed on the alter of PC. (Sorry to disappoint, but I believe PC has caused more harm than good).

    Bottom line is, she should have had the good grace and manners to provide this girl with an answer and saved her political posturing for the debating chamber.

    • Manfarang

      “salad munching sychophants”
      Nothing wrong with an Israeli breakfast.

  • The Explorer

    I once read a short book ‘Jewish Enablers of the War against Israel’. Until then I had had no idea how bitterly some liberal Western Jewish academics hate Israel. Dr Levine is at one with Noam Chomsky, Richard Falk, Jennifer Loewenstein, Norman Finkelstein… And the list goes on.

    I used to wonder about the Jewish kapos in the concentration camps. I now believe that their original intention was humane: to reduce the suffering of their people by controlling it. But it didn’t work out that way.

    The academic loathing of Israel is, perhaps, a modern version of the same originally-humane spirit: and with the same results as for the kapos.

    • Sam

      Self hating Jews (as they are politely referred to) are the worst .

      • Jon Sorensen
        • Sam

          Can’t read the article as its ££££ paywall. At least the telegraph gives a few free articles a month….

          • Jon Sorensen

            You don’t even need to read the whole article. As you can see this starts with “God, I hate atheists” goes worse from that.

            Imagine if someone would lead on thetimes.co.uk “I hate Jews” and would go on and explain why people should hate Jews. That persons’ life and career would be ruined by backlash immediately.

            But it seem to be ok to publicly hate atheist. Atheists seem to count as sub-humans only.

          • Pubcrawler

            Coren (in his public persona) is well known as a misanthropic controversialist. He enjoys winding up the smug, humourless and pompous. Some might call it ‘satire’, though he’s no Swift and this is no ‘Modest Proposal’. He’s also an atheist, by the way.

          • Jon Sorensen

            “Giles Coren.. describes himself as ‘a practising Christian Jew’ who attends an Anglican church and likes it.”

            So why is it ok the say:
            “God, I hate atheists”
            but not:
            “God, I hate Jews”

          • Busy Mum

            Maybe because it seems a bit hypocritical to expect a Jew-loving God to sympathise with one’s anti-Semitism….

            On the other hand, although God will reprimand one for ‘hating’ atheists, He will sympathise with the sentiment behind the expression.

          • Jon Sorensen

            baseless anti-Semitism assertion…

            “On the other hand, although God will reprimand one for ‘hating’ atheists,”
            You missed the point… openly hating Jews in a newspaper will be reprimanded in this life. Openly hating atheists does not.

    • Let’s not do the kapos injustice, Explorer, seriously. They were in an insane situation and their judgement and reactions are impossible to evaluate by the normal standards we apply in a sound civil society. They were victims themselves. Prof Levine knuckled under while living a life of privilege and worse, she took out her hatred against a child who turned to her in admiration of her expertise.

      • The Explorer

        I take the point entirely about the Kapos. Their dilemma is well explored in ‘Schindler’s List’, and one is sympathetically portrayed (although another isn’t) in the film ‘Escape from Sobibor’.
        My point is that the problem is wider than Prof Levine. Steven Plaut’s book, to which I referred, lists a dozen such: including Mark Le Vine and Judith Butler. I was trying to make sense of what was driving them all.

  • David

    I think that His Grace has it about right.
    The thirst for justice that she attempted to express by snubbing this child is an exceedingly selective one – selecting by race, and just one race at that ! This smacks strongly to me of anti-Semitism. What else, logically can explain the narrow selectivity of this cowardly hitting out at a child making, perhaps its first foray into an adult world of inquiry ?
    And how how can these actions be fair ? A single small child cannot influence, or even less radically change, what is an entrenched geo-political position, can she ? So how can this girl deliver the academic’s “price” for her knowledge ? The child is being offered a false “trade”, rooted not in a sense of fair play and justice, but of superiority and disdain.
    But our brave Cambridge justice “warrior” has one achievement to her credit. She has taught a lively 13 year old Israeli just how much irrational hate there exists towards those of her race and faith, in our “liberal” western world. What a great achievement !

  • The Jews have become the Nazis?

    Several chapters of Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together deal with the part played by Jews in the Russian Revolution and the Soviet government after the Revolution. He writes about the Cheka and about events such as the Holodomor and the slaughter of the Don Cossacks. In chapter 14, he quotes the Jewish writer David Aizman: ‘Jews must secure the gains of revolution by any means…No one questions what would happen to Jews if the counter-revolution prevails…the filthy scum must be crushed even before it had any chance to develop, in embryo. Their very seed must be destroyed.’

    Two Hundred Years Together has never been published in English.

    • Sam

      Dude

      I was thinking is there anything you don’t blame Jews on?

      No , not even Jesus ?

      • @ Sam—Generally speaking, Europeans like to get at the truth. If the truth shows they have done wrong, they accept the blame. It seems Jews take a different approach. Ne’er the twain shall meet.

        • Sam

          I didn’t think you’d give a straightforward answer. So it’ll be back to that monfitore quote then?

      • Shh! If he’s been down with any medical problem, it’s a sure bet he’s befitted from the advanced pharmaceuticals by Israel’s Teva. I’ve yet to see anyone boycott his meds, toss his cell phone or yank out chips from his computer.

    • carl jacobs

      Dzerzhinsky wasn’t Jewish. Neither was Lenin or Stalin. Yes, there were many Jews in the leadership of the Russian Revolution in 1917. Many of them were shot in the 20s & 30s. If you want to imply that the Russian Revolution of October 1917 was a Jewish plot, you have to come up with a better argument than “Look at all those Jews!”

      If this book was never translated into English then upon whom are you depending for the translation?

      • Wiki has an interesting write-up on Solzgenytsin’s Two Hundred Years Together:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together

        It seems that our Johnny has not only never seen the book, but doesn’t even know about its general thrust.

        • IrishNeanderthal

          Followed the Wikipedia link and read it up. The mention of the Pale reminds me of Simon Schama’s The Story of the Jews on BBC TV.

          He told us that his ancestors came from Lithuania. In the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Jews in the Polish part took their porridge equivalent with milk, whereas those in the Lithuanian part only added salt. A bit like the English and the Scots methinks.

          Scope for a Scotty joke, should one ever meet him …

          • You’ve noticed a disappearing cultural idiosyncrasy, Irish; the Polak vs Litvak rivalry, with its humour and differences in customs and world views, which is being crushed by the maudlin, homogenizing pap mainstream Orthodoxy has been ladling out in the post-War years.

          • Anton

            Missed Schama’s TV series, didn’t enjoy the book much… it was like he was filling in or disputing minor points around a major narrative that wasn’t there.

      • @ carl jacobs—I said the book has never been published in English. It is available in the original Russian and it was briefly available in French and German editions. The latter has been out of print since 2003, I have no information about the French edition. Most of the chapters have now been translated into English, the translation done by volunteers. As you are an expert on the period, you can safely ignore the book.

        • carl jacobs

          Depends on what you mean by “expert”. If you mean “professional historian” then I’m not. But compared to the typical poster on a weblog, I know one helluva lot about Russian history and the Russian Revolution. Certainly more than enough to know the Bolshevik takeover wasn’t a Jewish plot. In truth, however, my post didn’t require any great knowledge. It was, as Avi said, an obvious point.

    • Hahahahahaha!

      • carl jacobs

        OK, so … normally I understand your posts. But that was not the post I expected. I expected “slash and burn.” But “Point and laugh” leads me to believe i missed something or don’t know something about this post. So as the Nostalgia Critic might say “Explain, Movie! Explain!”

        • Note to whom it was addressed, Carl and no, you didn’t miss anything. Johnny genuinely made me laugh with his monomania and you already pointed out the obvious, so there was no need for me to add anything.

          • Anton

            This Wikipedia article on Solzhenitsyn’s book gives a very different impression of it from Johnny:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together

          • I saw it a few hours ago. Sure, being a frothing antisemite, Johnny will recruit anyone for his baffling non sequiturs. Solzhenitsyn was biased and alternately hostile and admiring with regards to Jews, as well as a poor historian and bit of a fool politically…a down-side of Russian nationalist Romanticism… but he was hardly an antisemite. And he was a superb writer, which goes a long way with me. My definition of the malady involves undiluted hatred with an obsession to demonize, which S can not be accused of.

    • Ivan M

      Two Hundred Years Together is heavy going. Not up to Solzhenitsyn’s narrative standards, partly on account of the heavy documentation that he melds in. It is not a polemical work and the reading of it is dry. I think that is the main reason why it has not been translated in a book form in English anyway. But as you know, the relevant chapters are available in pdf everywhere on the net.

      More to the point, his three volume Gulag Archipelago is available for download on archive.org . Get your copies, or better still root around for the paperback editions. Do not under any circumstances get the abridged version.

      • @ Ivan M—As a non-Russian speaker, I welcome the book’s wealth of detail, for which the dryness of the text is a reasonable price to pay. The coordinator of the English translation describes the book as ‘exceptional value to the world culture’ and ‘critical for understanding the Russian history of the last 200 years.’ The translation project was paused when it appeared the book might be published, and does not seem to have resumed.

  • Martin

    One wonders how much Marsha Levine can be trusted to provide an honest answer on any subject since her bias is so obvious. I wonder how she would have reacted to a request to buy her photographs, but perhaps she doesn’t sell them to Israelis.

  • Anton

    In the physics department at Cambridge we just quietly got on with interacting with Israeli academics. Please be assured that Marsha Levine does not speak for anybody else in Cambridge University except herself.

    • Jon Sorensen

      So nobody else in Cambridge want justice for Palestinians?

      • Anton

        Please fill in the gaps between what I wrote and your inference from it.

        • There must be an app form for that.

        • Jon Sorensen

          So some people support justice for Palestinians in Cambridge, but they only speak from them self.. by not speaking…

          • Anton

            Thank you for that explanation.

      • A grown-up piling into a 13 year-old girl who politely requested information on horses is social justice for Palestinians? I’m getting a better idea about your character.

        • CliveM

          Was it not already all there?

        • Jon Sorensen

          Please fill in the gaps between what I wrote and your inference from it.

          • Please don’t steal and randomly use lines from others and mind your bed time curfew on school days.

          • Jon Sorensen

            Don’t worry. Once I get to high school I won’t have curfew.

            But you nicely misinterpret me as you tend to do…

    • David

      I am glad to hear that. Physicists tend to be less excitable than many academics.

    • My father in law is a an inorganic chemistry prof emeritus, a Cambidge man, and the colleagues of his I’ve met over the years would have shunned such apparitions like the Levine woman.

  • Sam

    Well this week was the remembrance of real ethnic cleansing , namely the expulsion of Jews from Arab lands and Persia. Not that you ever hear about that. And as for monsters is this lady aware of the current daily stabbings by Arab fanatics against civilians in Israel? Why aren’t they condemned as monsters?

  • IanCad

    A fine morning, got a little work done, come back to lunch, sit down, relax; better click on Cranmer to see what’s up.
    Big mistake! I’m steaming, shaking with rage; rendered completely unsafe to work with sharp tools.
    This wretched woman is one step away from Jihad, or joining ISIS. A visit from the anti-terrorist task force should be in order.

    • David

      Sympathies ! Your reaction is quite justified.
      But do have a nice cup of tea, possibly with a nip of whiskey, before picking up that chisel again, is my advice.

      • IanCad

        Were it only a chisel. It was a chainsaw.

        • David

          Brave man !
          My neighbours have them but I won’t touch one, not having had training, and you need to wear the armour gear. My brother, a farmer, had a very nasty accident with one, but now he has more sense. I do my felling and cutting up more slowly, traditionally, with some very good cross-cut rough saws kept running smoothly by pouring lashings of used engine oil in the cut to lubricate the blade – works a treat and keeps the ageing arms in trim for archery.
          Take care now – oh and ignore my “advice” about a nip of whiskey !

  • john in cheshire

    This woman is so full of hate it’s a wonder she’s able to hold down her job. In fact doesn’t Cambridge university have anything to say in the matter because her attitude reflects badly on them as a seat of learning?

    • Pubcrawler

      She’s retired.

    • She’s a petty, vindictive twit, John, one who has rejected the burden of history and identity. I come upon such moral cripples in my community from time to time. It’s unfortunate that a child had to be subjected to her spittle, but even that has its silver lining; better that the young girl learn directly from someone as comical and harmless as Professor Levine, than from truly dangerous types.

  • carl jacobs

    She doesn’t loathe Jews. She loathes the state of Israel for refusing to submit to her vision of what Israel should be. And she blames the Israeli population for insisting on electing the people who refuse to submit. She doesn’t want Justice for the Palestinians. She wants the ideology of the Israel state realigned.

    From the safety of Britain.

    And if she ever got her way, she would blame the Israelis for their own massacre.

    From the safety of Britain.

    • Fiona

      Excellent analysis!

  • Top notch post, Your Grace! Once again, you bring up an issue I somehow missed in the Jewish media, and in addition, you provide better context than most would! And then, there are the priceless visuals: “… an Oxbridge academic might smile and nod contentedly while poring over the Guardian and munching their morning muesli.”

  • grutchyngfysch

    She’s entitled to her views and entitled to refuse – as I am entitled to have nothing to do with BDS. I’m not taking up the weapons of PC to make one stance in the fight illegitimate to hold. She hasn’t broken any law – and if she has, frankly my instinct is to support her right to break such a stupid law – even if her position is itself stupid, its hers to hold, ours to oppose, and no business of any lawmaker to censure.

    • Dreadnaught

      OK I believe she has a right to speak her mind; but making a political point at a little 13 year old girl with a question about horses is … pure Horse shit.

      • grutchyngfysch

        Yep it is obnoxious in the extreme. I’m just conscious that usually the shoe is on the other foot, with people trying to silence views I might hold or sympathise with as obnoxious to someone’s sensibilities. I don’t want to turn into the kind of censorious nutter that I can’t stand. So it means putting up with excrement like this, sympathising with the girl, and encouraging her that the world, on balance, is probably more the oyster of an inquisitive and proactive child than it is a retired humanities researcher.

        • Dreadnaught

          Totally agree with and nicely put Grutch. As my old Granny used to say “You can only expect shit from an arsehole” .. she had a quaint gentile approach to life apart from this. But it is true both of Levine and the Horse.

          • Your granny was a wise woman, Dreadnaught. I’m still chuckling over her superb meta-analytical adage. But did you mean “gentle,” rather then “gentile”?

          • Dreadnaught

            Either way suits me Avi. best wishes.

          • A gentle Gentile, then!

          • Dreadnaught

            🙂

        • carl jacobs

          I imagine this episode will do some considerable damage to the BDS movement.

          • grutchyngfysch

            The website she linked to in her email have already distanced themselves from it and noted that they call for a “smart” rather than blanket boycott. I suspect that may not be entirely true in all instances (particularly if passing the charity bucket around at gender-segregated events) but it’s better than nothing.

        • Cressida de Nova

          Recovering academics often fall into a disgruntled state.:)

    • Cressida de Nova

      A reasonable unemotive response. It is important to uphold free speech even if we do not like the views expressed.

  • Dreadnaught

    It’s all well and good she is safe in the UK is all I have to say. No sorry – what a Bitch.

  • preacher

    It just goes to show, you can have a University education & attain a top degree, but still be a first class, rude ignoramus with hate issues.

    • This is an alarming trend, Preacher, one which we ignore at our peril. Civilizations are held together by commonly held courtesies, rather than the big, lofty ideals. Lose courtesy and you’ve opened up the field for sociopaths like Levine. Get enough of them in positions of respect and authority, and you’ve lost the battle.

      • preacher

        I’m with you there brother, I remember a story once told by Lord Mountbatten that illustrates your point.
        After his Ship was sunk by a U boat, Mountbatten surfaced. A few moments later an oil covered soot blackened stoker appeared next to him & after saluting offered the thought ” Scum always comes to the top, don’t it sir ? “. Let’s hope that humour & courtesy will triumph in the end over the Levines of this World.

        • Ivan M

          Lord Mountbatten did not come up the second time, it is a fair guess that he is in heaven.

      • sarky
        • I thought this nuttery was limited to the East and West Coast campuses in the US. Not much of this here in Canada yet, but it’s starting. Cut off student loans for Humanities, which only generate snooty barristas who can never repay the loans for the inflated tuotion fees and you solve the problem.

          • sarky

            I was thinking more of ‘a good slap’ 🙂

          • Bwahahahaha! Right in the Safe Space Room, for effect.

    • dannybhoy

      ” a first class, rude ignoramus with (self) hate issues.”
      This is a sad one.
      Certainly just because one is is born English, French, German or Israeli, it shouldn’t mean we have to agree with what our tribe believes or does.
      So Miss Levine as a Jewess has every right to question Israel’s actions towards the Palestinians.
      The mystery is what that has to do with a Jewish schoolgirl in Israel who can’t vote, but does like horses…

  • CliveM

    On a daily basis we have reports coming out of our Universities about the growth of a PC fanaticism. If you raise concerns about immigration you are a racist or (even worse), Islamophobic. If you question current sexual politics, you must be Homophobic. If you suggest that slicing off your genital’s doesn’t make you a woman, you are prejudiced against the transgendered. If you are an academic who holds these views you are vilified and excluded, banned from the college, removed from any literature, you become a non-person.

    If you are white, middleclass and male, you are automatically all of the above and a rapist as well.

    However if you are anti-Semitic, you are lauded, congratulated at parties, invited to speak at dinners. You are in short, a good egg.

    Don’t the Left make you sick? In every way the woman and her opinions are vile. If she had referenced any other race, nationality or sexuality in a like context, she would have had the Police knocking on her door, inviting her to visit them at the station. Bet it doesn’t happen in this case.

    Seems to me us white, middle aged males and Jews need to make common cause.

    • dannybhoy

      “If you are white, middleclass and male, you are automatically all of the above and a rapist as well.”

      (Sobs into his Horlicks..)

      • carl jacobs

        Horlick’s would be a reference to … ?

        [Google was inconclusive]

        • IanCad

          Malted Milk comes pretty close Carl.
          They even make tablets out of it over here.

          • carl jacobs

            I thought it was alcohol. And here it is a drink safe for Canadians.

          • CliveM

            Its what old men with soft gums and a dodgy prostate drink.

          • dannybhoy

            You sound bitter, Clive.

          • CliveM

            No simply describing why I like it!

          • dannybhoy

            I used to eat it with a spoon straight from the jar…
            Of course I was a lot younger then. My gums could cope.

          • Anton

            Put whisky in it and pretend it’s Bailey’s…

          • carl jacobs

            You see, I found a Horlick’s Malt Lager through Google so I naturally inferred it could be either alcoholic or Canadian. Hence my confusion.

          • Not so fast. Horlicks is banned in Canada; too heavily enriched with vitamins.

          • CliveM

            Really!! You’re kidding right? Horlicks banned as to dangerous for Canadians!

            Maybe Carls right.

          • For real. Listed on prohibited imports.

          • CliveM

            Oh dear!

            Too dangerous for Canadians……..

            Well I don’t know what to say. Blimey.

          • CliveM

            Carl,

            Nope to ‘dangerous’………,

            Well I be gob smacked.

          • dannybhoy

            People have been known to become addicted. Some have even overdosed and turned into Americans…

        • dannybhoy

          Google was inconclusive.

          Well it would be wouldn’t it?

          Google’s Amurican and Horlicks is British.
          BRITISH, Carl!
          The stuff of Empire and heroism, and gallantry and achievement

          And so on.

          “Horlicks was invented by two British-born men, William Horlick (1846-1936) and his brother James (1844-1921) After 140 years as the nation’s favourite malted drink, we have a few stories to tell. So sit back, relax and discover why Horlicks has a mountain range named after it, was a staple of World War II and starred in the 1948 Olympics.

          http://www.horlicks.co.uk/story/index/

          “Horlicks is a brand with a huge heritage,” says Steve Davies, its marketing director in the UK. “But the product had quite an ageing profile – the core of our drinkers were over 60 years old – so the market was very slowly declining.”

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2928124/A-wake-up-call-for-Horlicks.html

          The decline of the British stiff upper lip coincided with the disastrous decline in Horlicks drinking..

  • Fiona

    The quote from the Scriptures about stones and serpents has not been put to a better use in a long time, Your Grace.

  • Politically__Incorrect

    In a recent article I found on Anglican Mainstream, a (U.S.) university professor claimed that the institutions are now full of “Left wing hate mobs”. it seems that Ms Levine fits into that category quite nicely. Normally it’s the students who seem to fit into this category of ultra-PC extremists, but a few lecturers, presumably frightened of losing their jobs, also fall into line. I feel there isn’t much can say about this woman other than she needs to take a long hard look at herself. She is very ignorant.

  • Mike Stallard

    Marsha Levine is not on my Christmas Card list now and I am certainly not picking her for the top ten Christians I can tell you!

  • The Explorer

    There were Americans who thought 9/11 was caused by US support for Israel. Stop the support, and Muslim hostility to the US would cease. I suppose there are likewise Jews who think that the stance of Israel makes the world a less safe place for Jews. Concessions are the way to eliminate Western and Muslim hostility.

    But the Western Left has to have a target it can hate. With South Africa gone, Israel became the obvious replacement. The Left wants Israel to survive so it can hate it, and also wants it gone for the vicarious assuagement of guilt. After all, once it’s gone you can, as a Leftist, still hate it for having existed in the first place.

    As far as Islam goes, the disappearance of Israel would not be the end of the matter. The key texts that determine attitudes were written long before the state of Israel existed.

  • Inspector General

    Despicable woman!

    {SNORT}

    • dannybhoy

      Neigh..

      • carl jacobs

        …said the horse when asked for his vote on forming the collective farm.

      • Anton

        Hay there!

  • It’s attitudes like this from the Levine woman that keep the hatred and conflict alive. She’s a little girl interested in horses for God’s sake!

  • carl jacobs

    Israel was supposed to be the model for an Enlightened Progressive future – the archetype for the Leftist vision of how the world should work and the primary evidence that this vision was realizable. Ans what has happened? To a Leftist, Israel has become reactionary. Israel not only denies the Leftist vision, it stands as incontrovertible evidence against it. There is no wonder in understanding why Leftists despise that state.

    • Inspector General

      Forty years ago, it was the in thing for socialist types to go over to Israel and construct a Kibbutz (whatever one of those things is). Among the other incentives, was gratia cigarettes. “Free butts at the kibbutz” it was known as. Knew a young lady, daughter of friends of the family, who did it for a few months one summer…

      So, what happened. When did the left flip over to the other side!

      • carl jacobs

        The Six Day War

        • Inspector General

          1973! No, this was late 70s…

          • carl jacobs

            The Six Day War was in ’67. And that war is Israel’s original sin. Every Western Leftist complaint against Israel today goes back to that assertion of naked military dominance. In truth, “Justice for Palestine” is a synonym for “Reversing the Outcome of the Six Day War.” Why? Because the manifest success of that War stands across Leftist notions of conflict resolution.

            There is something mystical and holy to the Left about the Cease Fire lines of the Israeli War of Independence. If only that line can be restored, then one hundred Leftist visions will bloom in the Middle East…

          • Inspector General

            Ah, all beginning to make sense. At that time, the hard left took its orders from the Soviet Union, at least in this country. So the current stance dates back to sovietnik influence then…

          • dannybhoy

            I think it was the 80s when things began to change. I left in ’83. Kibbutzim were losing their State subsidies (most ran at a serious loss)
            I have to say though that I loved kibbutz life.
            Anyone interested in the changes going on I recommend “Walking Israel” by the NBC (British) journalist Martin Fletcher.

          • Hey I remember too! Everyone loved kibbutzim in the day. Free food and cigs, getting high, sex for the asking and pretend work, while the government footed the bill and the soldiers protected the stoners from Arabs and from tumbling down wadi ravines.

          • Hi avi

            Some of my family worked in moshavim for while. I can’t remember the difference between them and kibbutz.

          • In a moshav you can own your house and other property and you can work on the outside. It’s modelled after a co-op, rather than a commune.

          • Hi

            Cool. None of my family would be classed as socialists….

          • dannybhoy

            Stoned?
            A long haired hippie shirker in a socialist paradise..
            What else did you expect?
            We English were the best volunteers, hard working and reliable. And incredibly polite…
            Kibbutz was a natural development of the socialist ideals that guided those first early communes founded on grotty land bought from Ottoman landowners.
            They were essential in giving some structure to a people who hadn’t had their own country in 2000 years.
            No one should knock what the kibbutz movement achieved
            -except perhaps the Palestinians.

          • Ot occured to me after my initial post that I should have specified that my mockery wss directed at the devolved and corrupted remnants in the ’80s and to note that in many ways the kibbutzim pioneered the Jewish State and gave it its backbone. The early kibutzniks were tough men and women who conquered the land and built Israel’s character.

            True, the Brits and I should add the Swedes too, were tops…better than us spoilrd North American partyers. Alas, the English and Scandinavian blondes ignored us and went for the IDF soldiers…..

          • dannybhoy

            Understandable Avi.

          • Grrrrrrr….

          • dannybhoy

            You’ve been around Jack too long.

          • It’s a place-holder for Jack who needs to get this cancer thing distraction out of the way and get back to work here.

          • dannybhoy

            It was!
            Girls can’t resist a uniform. You as a retired traffic warden should know that Avi.
            Most kibbutzim would have groups from the IDF helping out as part of their service. Some of these youngsters were great fun, full of life and humour. I used to have these delayed outbursts of lasughter as my brain translated what was being said into real language….
            Some of the girls were lovely, but of course group loyalties meant they wouldn’t be distracted by (ahem!) handsome young English volunteers….

          • Anton

            The kibbutz communes also helped the haganah to form; it would have been much harder to create in a normal rural or urban pattern of life while the Brits occupied the area.

      • Well, the Six Day War, as Carl said, and plain reality. The USSR dumped Israel for the Arabs and Israel’s economy began to grow at a break-neck speed, creating a huge middle class which wasn’t as excited about free cigs, communal canteens and tractors. Then, there is the influence of the US diaspora and the revival of conservative Zionism under the nationalist religious movement, which with its frontier pioneering ideology in the West Bank settlements, replaced the communalist kibbutznik one.

        • Anton

          Certainly that’s my understanding. It’s remarkable that both of the postwar superpowers voted for the 1947 UN resolution that would create a State of Israel (within part of Mandatory Palestine), and it’s worth remembering that the Jewish Agency in Palestine accepted the proposed partition and its terms, whereas Arab national governments rejected them and the Arab Higher Committee (representing Arabs in Palestine) had refused to cooperate with the earlier UN fact-finding mission. Jamal Husseini, the Palestinian Arab leader, candidly told the UN Security Council during the subsequent fighting between Arab and Jew, “The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight” (UN, 16th April 1948).

          • My guess is that those who voted for Israel did so mostly to stuck it to Britain, which had grand designs for the region. To some, Israel’s successful revolt against the Mandate and the mistaken assumption of animosity towards Britain promised that Israel would be the fly in the British ointment. For the USSR and the satelites, Israel was going to be the ideological and strategic outpost of communism among the primitives in the Middle East. No one understood the power of Islam and Arab hatred of Jews or predicted that Israel would align with the US and the UK in a span of a few years. That’s the other reason for the international Left turning against it.

          • Hi avi

            And the French (gasp).

          • Right you are, Miss Hannah; one can never forget the French. Somehow they are always everywhere without actually being anywhere….

          • Anton

            Change that to “Israel’s successful revolt against Britain after Britain de facto repudiated the Mandate” and I’d agree.

          • Sure, if by repudiated you mean importing a Saudi princeling and carving out Jordan and splitting up Palestine into ungovernable enclaves of Jews and Arabs.

          • Anton

            By repudiating I mean restricting Jewish immigration and proposing a 2-state carve-up of the land west of the Jordan River. Both disgraceful. However, “Palestine” was never a word applied at any time in history to the large area of land east of the Jordan River that became Transjordan.

          • Right, I forgot about the restriction on Jewish immigration. San Remo and Balgour Declarations included a huge area east of the river, see:

            https://www.google.ca/search?q=san+remo+palestine+mao&oq=san+remo+palestine+mao&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i33.8585j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#q=san+remo+palestine+map&imgdii=HAyBLYAqmT2FNM%3A%3Bu8UX6wCiWff0eM%3A%3Bu8UX6wCiWff0eM%3A&imgrc=u8UX6wCiWff0eM%3A

          • Anton

            Balfour, San Remo and League of Nations all committed to a Jewish homeland in “Palestine”, which the area subsequently known as Transjordan has never been called. Britain did not cheat the Jews when it denied them that area. Britain cheated the Jews by restricting Jewish immigration to the area west of the Jordan and by later proposing partition.

          • dannybhoy

            Indeed, As I understand it the majority of Jordan’s population are Palestinians.

          • Anton

            The Jordanians wound’t have said that in the early 1970s! They threw Arafat and his followers out for trying to enact a coup. It’s not really possible to agree or disagree with what you say without you saying what you mean by “Palestinian”.

          • dannybhoy

            As I understand it many Palestinians moved to Jordan around the time of the Nakba and subsequently.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Jordan

          • Anton

            I infer, then, that you are using “Palestinian” to mean Arabs who had been living in Mandatory Palestine. Yes, quite a few of them did move to Jordan in the fighting of 1947-9 (and they didn’t think of themselves as “Palestinian” at that time – the culture was identical in Jordan); but probably more who lost their land in that strife ended up in the West Bank, which was run by Jordan until 1967. It was the 6-day war that year which tipped Arafat’s movement into Jordan, and Arafat’s subsequent attempt to seize Jordan which caused King Hussein to kick him out.

          • Hi

            Does this help ?

            “THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE DOES NOT EXIST. THE CREATION OF THE PALESTINIAN STATE IS ONLY A MEANS FOR CONTINUING OUR STRUGGLE AGAINST THE STATE OF ISRAEL for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. ONLY FOR POLITICAL AND TACTICAL REASONS DO WE SPEAK TODAY ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF A PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

            For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” — PLO Executive Committee member Zahir Muhsein, 1977

          • Anton

            Yes, I’ve quoted that at people. Among the people unhappy with it would be the King of Jordan.

          • dannybhoy

            Well, I could have described them as citizens of the area described as The British Mandate for Palestine, but that would seem a tad pedantic… :0)

          • dannybhoy

            The inability of the various Palestinian factions to work together with a clear vision for their future is what did for them. The only thing they could agree upon is that they didn’t want Israel.
            Islam is incredibly tribal. despite the protestations of “Islamic Brotherhood,” and that problem remains.

          • Anton

            Yes, the Middle East is boiling up for a major Sunni vs Shia war.

          • dannybhoy

            I see David Cameron has secured his mandate for joining the bombing campaign.
            There is so much more behind this though. Who has been funding/backing them, supplying them with training and weaponry. Nothing good will come out of this I fear. The Middle East cauldron will continue to boil over.

          • Anton

            Cameron wants to show he has cojones. Whether or not he has those he has no consistency… how long ago was it he wanted to bomb Assad?

        • carl jacobs

          We probably shouldn’t call it the Six Day War. It offends some people because it highlights the fact that the war only lasted six days. I guess that says something negative about someone’s martial prowess. So … to be sensitive … we should probably call it one of the following:

          1. The Setback
          2. The War to Get the Israelis Right Where We Want Them
          3. Those Events in June That Never Really Happened

          • Haha! In new textbooks it’s never refered to as the Six Day War anymore because of this.

          • chiefofsinners

            They weren’t actual days, Carl. They were aeons or periods of time. The Hebrew can be interpreted in various ways…

          • dannybhoy

            Lovely!

          • LOL! Always figured you for a rascal.

          • carl jacobs

            ROFL!

          • Anton

            That argument has had its day.

          • carl jacobs

            But that was ages ago.

        • Inspector General

          Well, there it is, Avi. The lefts derision of Israel dates back to when the USSR took to the Arabs.

          The Communist Party of Great Britain made no secret that they followed orders from Moscow. Indeed, they were in Moscow’s pay. It is doubtful whether their newspaper here, the Morning Star, would ever have been viable without soviet money. It appeared in all newsagents, despite it’s small following.

          • The USSR never understood Britain or the English and its Labour parties, even though its messiahs, Marx and Engels, once operated there. And the Arabs somehow outsmarted the Russians by pretending to be on the road to secularism and socialism and wasted USSR’s time and money.

          • Inspector General

            Denis Healy, the recently deceased Labour politician, stated that the Soviets deeply despised social democrats like him. They wanted the West to be ruled by hard line rightist governments, with a hang dog population desperate for Mr Marx and his marvellous ideas to be given a chance…

    • dannybhoy

      Sometimes Carl our dreams are overtaken by reality. When I first went there idealism was in the air; the hope was that there could be reconciliation, joint cooperation with the Palestinians, building a prosperous future.
      It was the European socialist vision that built the modern State of Israel, but you’re right in that Israel has left that behind and become preoccupied with simply surviving.

    • Tutanekai

      Not every “leftist” despises Israel. I’ve always had a very high opinion both of the country and the people. You try living surrounded by homicidal maniacs who want nothing more than to kill you. You’ll develop a firm response too.

      All “leftists” should reflect on the fate of women, Jews, gays, trans people, and anyone who disagrees even a tiny bit with hardline Islamic doctrine in an independent Palestine. It would be so riven with internal conflict that radical Islamist groups would take it over within weeks and we’d have another IS outpost on our hands.

      Self-determination is all very well, but when a people determines that its mission is to kill everyone it hates, it’s perfectly permissible to intervene and neutralise their aggression. Germans voted for Hitler in sufficient numbers to enable him to form a government, which in its early years enjoyed widespread popular support. That didn’t stop us from pounding Germany into the ground. And the principle of self-determination shouldn’t stop us from preventing the formation of a Palestinian state, which would merely be a launchpad for the destruction of Israel.

      Luckily the Israelis are both sensible and powerful enough to understand what’s at stake here. Some random Jewish academic throwing a hissy fit at a 13 year old girl won’t change that. Let her pontificate from the safety and comfort of her British way of life about how evil the Israelis are to want to protect themselves and their families from the destruction that would certainly rain down on their heads if they cede any kind of power to the Palestinians. In the meantime, they’ll just ignore her and keep on doing what they have to in order to stay alive.

      • carl jacobs

        OK … Who are you and what have you done with our Linus? He may be the commenting equivalent of Kudzu, but I’ve gotten used to ignoring his comments. I’d hate to think you bumped him off, and buried him in the basement under the stairway.

  • dannybhoy

    Off topic
    Anyone heard from Happy Jack recently? I know he’s not been on top form recently.
    Let’s remember him in our prayers chaps.

    • Inspector General

      No. Lit a candle for the fellow at Gloucester Cathedral. If he wants any more, he’d better send some money…

      • dannybhoy

        Lol! That was very thoughtful of you Inspector.

        • Inspector General

          The least this man could do for the blighter…

    • I’m again the last to know what’s going on…what is wrong with Jack?

      • Pubcrawler

        He’s being treated for cancer. Weekdays in hospital, home at weekends. Prognosis is good, he said.

        • dannybhoy

          Bless him. His presence is missed,

        • Dear God, I had no idea. My best wishes and prayers for his complete recovery.

  • chiefofsinners

    Our universities have become a sort of asylum for those whose stupidity is most profound. They call it the Dawkins effect.

    • carl jacobs

      It is an environment especially suited for the application of unstated ideological tests for employment. And those tests are ruthlessly applied.

    • sarky

      It’s the PC effect, Dawkins has nothing to do with it.

      • chiefofsinners

        Yes, Prince Charles has a lot to answer for too.

  • Inspector General

    The Inspector would like to take the unusual step of publically thanking our host, His Eminence, Cranmer, tonight. One has learnt so much about the Arab Israeli conflict from his august site this eve.

    • dannybhoy

      What’s with the mailed fist Inspector?
      Reliving your glory days?

      • Common in Irish heraldry, but typically holding a spear or a dagger.

        • dannybhoy

          Or a shovel??

          • Pubcrawler
          • dannybhoy

            Thanks for that. Never seen that one before.
            Christie Moore is one of my favourites -only his politics are off key.. The Fureys are great too.

            I met some great lads on the shovel years ago..

          • A glass of Irish whisky for the Inspector. I doubt he would know how to hold a shovel.

          • dannybhoy

            Tullamore Dew.
            He deserves it.

          • Sputum Flange

            Sorry to be a pedant Avi, Irish whiskey. The irish stuff has an “e”. The Scottish don’t.
            Irish whisky – oxymoron.

      • Inspector General

        “The country is at war…with ISIS”

        • dannybhoy

          So you intend to slap people around the chops with your metal mitten and challenge them to a duel?
          I preferred your other picture. Much more Inspectorish..

  • blisterpeanuts

    Thank you Archbishop Cranmer for your thoughtful essay. You might also mention how harshly the Coptic Christians have been treated by the Egyptian Muslims for many decades–churches burned, individual Christians gang raped or murdered by thuggish crowds.

    This woman Levine exemplifies all that is wrong with liberal Left academia in an era when our universities, like the rest of society, have become rudderless and morally bankrupt.

  • Darter Noster

    By being a complete arse, Dr Levine has garnered more publicity in a matter of minutes than she could ever have hoped to do in her entire life by doing something academically useful. What a coincidence.

  • Jeaniene Marin Kalman

    Archbishop Cranmer first I do want to say how much I appreciate the concise yet thorough way in which you highlight Marsha’s hypocrisy. But your clarity of narrative reveals something even more interesting. Marsha’s overt Lack of Empathy toward this young girl is both horrifying and fascinating. Is she a sociopath? And I mean to ask this quite seriously. Not only was her initial response to Shachar bizarre, but her response to the Jewish Chronicle is even more shocking. Amazing really. “I didn’t ask her to email me.” Well we didn’t think she did, did we? That makes a difference to justify her coldness? For treating this girl as the target off of which to bounce her intellectually dishonest agenda? I’m not joking when I say that I’ve forwarded this wonderful article to my mother, a retired psychiatrist, for her expert impression on what exactly this lady’s pathology is. Because honestly now I’m just curious. She is not without use however. I used her as the “moral lesson of the day” today to my teenagers as the example of exactly what not to do. I asked them if they become an expert in some thing, and even if a, let’s say, grandchild of Hamas, writes you a letter to talk about that thing, what should you do? Their response, Baruch HaShem, was exactly and immediately what I hoped for, and exactly what Marsha did not do.

  • aswitzer

    I am very impressed with your clarity of thought and moral fortitude Archbishop, and thank you for writing, and I hope you are speaking of this too. I would write to Dr. Levine if I could find an email address ( I guess I am not so clever as the 13 year old Israeli student) but I would write to point out how very ignorant Levine is of the history of which she touts, the true history of Palestine, that of an ancient Jewish homeland, never ever a country governed by any Arab national group. The people today calling themselves Palestinians, only came into being in 1967. Jews have long shared the land, and as they do today, granted full rights to all citizens, and would live peacefully with the Arabs in the disputed territories, if those same people would stop trying to kill them. The Palestinian Authority, which I guess has M Levine’s support, is demonstrating daily that they care not at all for the well being of their own people, and will throw them under the bus every time, whether by stealing most of the donated funds from Western governments, by sending them on suicide missions, by suggesting they take a knife or car to an Israeli and then suffer death by an IDF bullet or spend a life in jail. Where are the schools of higher education that were funded but never built by PA? I guess Levine really doesn’t care if the Arab chlldren have an education or not so what justice is she really seeking?

  • Hugh Jeego

    Surely it’s the work of an academic to disseminate knowledge to all and sundry. Levine may be knowledgeable, but she is thoroughly ignorant. I wonder where her humanity went.

  • The Explorer

    When there was impasse at Thermopylae, Ephialtes the Greek told the Persians of a secret pass that would bring them down behind the Greek lines.

    Why did he do it? It may be that he thought the Greeks would ultimately lose, and the longer the battle went on the worse it would be for them at the end; so it was better to end things quickly.

    The motives of Palestinian-supporting Jewish academics – which include big names like Judith Butler and Noam Chomsky – are likewise hard to fathom, but a similar sort of motive might be operating.

    • CliveM

      Or they are simply covering their arse, to save their own skin.

    • dannybhoy

      Unfortunately Idealists often attack the system that protects them from the system that would destroy them..
      We’ve said this before, that there were many intellectuals who admired Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini -nah, scrub that; nobody admired Mussolini!

      • Ivan M

        Luigi Barzini did up to a point.

        • dannybhoy

          Well Luigi would, wouldn’t he..

          • Ivan M

            Even Hitler admired Mussolini, considering him some kind of modern day revolutionary fascist guru, not that I admire Hitler or anything like that…

    • Ivan M

      Or it may simply be the left-wing position to take. Noam Chomsky is by and large an honest man. He did have some caterwauling to do during the aftermath of the Vietnam War in Cambodia, when he had to defend his earlier position that there would not be a bloodbath after the American withdrawal of support for South Vietnam. But to balance that he was largely right about the genocidal repression in East Timor, conducted by the Indonesian Army around the same time. Essentially Chomsky’s contention is that Israel is a late imperial creation of the West, here largely the United States to prevent the coalescing of progressive forces against late stage capitalism. He may or may not be correct, but he has been this way for a long time. In earlier days, I was of course totally opposed to his thesis, now I am not so sure.

      But his position did have its uses in excusing Israeli excesses: everything bad could be blamed on American imperialism. This is how it functioned for the Left anyway for many years, how Israel was in fact the floating aircraft carrier for the US and so on.

      • The Explorer

        Interesting. Chomsky also had a view on Nicaragua. But my point is that Marsha Levine is not an isolated case. A significant number of significant Jewish academics seem to feel the same way. (Although there are others, like George Steiner, who don’t.)

        • Ivan M

          The point is, left-wing Jews think like leftwingers, right-wing Jews think like rightwingers. Naomi Klein is another one of the left-wingers I respect.

          • The Explorer

            True. Dr Levine’s Leftism trumps her Jewishness. It’s like those liberal American Jews who support the Islamic immigration into the States that could, in time, displace them.

          • Ivan M

            Again I am sorry that I have to disagree. The Muslims in the US, will be assimilated eventually. The left-wing Jews have sympathy for them as they can identify with their position, through their historical consciousness, real or imagined. What needs to be done, is to shut down unrestricted migration and the influence of mullahs from the Middle-East and Pakistan.

          • The Explorer

            They may integrate, they may not. So far, the evidence at Dearborn, Michigan is not encouraging.

          • Ivan M

            Going back on topic I find the BDS movement as currently conceived extremely incoherent and meaningless. Take Roger Waters for instance. He is always banging on the other artists to boycott Israel, but it is a given that those who like Pink Floyd’s in Israel are much more likely to be from the Left. People who feel bad about repressing the Palestinians. What purpose is served by hurting these people? Or again Prof Hawking is supposed to be for BDS. How does hurting fellow scientists in Israel, again a left leaning group, help in bringing about change? The BDS people have again hurt a constituency that would ordinarily be regarded as their allies. This does nothing for the Left in Israel whose voice is needed to counter the right wing nuts.

        • Ivan M

          I have to say Explorer, that on Nicaragua he was right. Somoza and the families, were out exploiting and repressing the peasants. The Gringos saw everything through the monochromatic lens of anticommunism. (Same as me actually.) This accounts for the great hatred of the Americans by a large section of the human race. Chomsky is a hero to many in the Third World, and I really can’t blame them, since they have suffered from the savage side of capitalism, that is largely hidden from us in the First World.

          Anyway it may be worth your while, to read his work on the acquisition of language and the brain. He is an anti-Darwinist, which is why his work on these matters are not more widely known.

      • dannybhoy

        I agree. Men of integrity are important in taking a stand against the herd instinct. We shouldn’t question their right to speak out, as Miss Levine has done. We do have the right to examine their arguments and motives.

  • len

    What do you get when you take a fool and educate them?….an educated fool….such as Marsha Levine .Not worthy of any more attention.

    • Ivan M

      I think she learnt about horses on her own. She was not out to be a HND electrician or something.

      • As an anthropologist she specialized in origins of domestication.

        • dannybhoy

          What the heck went wrong?!
          No, actually that’s a cheap shot -sorry Marsha.
          If you google her on Amazon she’s written a lot of books and done some good work with children.
          So somewhere along the line something went wrong.
          Perhaps she’ll sort herself out eventually, and I bet she regrets being rude to a little schoolgirl.

  • Sybaseguru

    Lets assume that she’s right about being able to google for the answers to the questions the young lady asked. The conclusion I would draw is that we don’t need academics anymore – so lets have a cull – starting with Ms Levine.

    • Darter Noster

      You need academics more than ever, because a vast amount of information discoverable through Google is accidentally or deliberately false, inaccurate, unproven, misleading, biased etc. You need independent subject experts who know the facts to teach people, and especially young people, how not to be misled or deceived in the vast ocean of complete crap that is the Internet.

      Tell children to just google the answers to any question they have and you surrender their education to the charlatan, extremist, bigot, racist, conspiracy theorist, fraudster or general ignoramus with the most eye-catching website, and the only criteria for truth become slick presentation and good html coding.

      • Darter Noster

        Though get rid of her by all means – no one needs academics like that.

  • Darter Noster

    The more time I have to think about it the more outraged I become by this.

    This ludicrous trendy-wendy “academic” is so far up herself she can see her own teeth. To claim that by being nasty and vindictive to an innocent child on the grounds of her nationality, she is somehow making a geo-political statement and helping the cause of Palestine would be absolutely laughable, if it weren’t so unpleasant.

    The north London secondary school I teach in has pupils from almost every ethnic background and religion you can think of, some of whom are British citizens and some of whom are expats. The idea that I would single one of them out in class and refuse to teach them properly because of their background or the behaviour of their government is just so utterly abhorrent and unthinkable; they are children, for Christ’s sake!

    If this stupid woman weren’t so puffed up and blinded by her own vacuous political obsessions and bigotry, like some academic Vanessa Redgrave but without the comic value, perhaps she would be able to see that.

    • Sam

      Dude

      My Catholic once removed cousin Lubo (Louise) made light of this and said it was like a father ted episode when they enter the Eurovision song contest with a song about “my lovely horse”. I was thinking of the Guinness ad myself. I understand from the Times (of Israel) a group has complained to the police. Personally I think this is a ridiculous move . People should be free to be foolish and embarrass themselves, without creating martyrs. And be free to be subject to critique.

      • Darter Noster

        Hello Sam,

        I agree entirely that this is not a police matter. She has no obligation to her correspondents.

        However if I were a university hiring committee, I would take a very dim view of her actions, and I suspect many will do.

        I doubt she has done herself any favours in the long run; even trendy left British academia will be wary of someone who puts their personal politics before everything else, even answering the question of a curious kid. And they don’t need the negative publicity.

  • Manfarang

    In Kuwait there were growing tensions between Kuwaitis and Palestinians before the Iraqi invasion. The Palestinians had worn out their welcome. I remember watching on TV a group of Palestinians visiting the Emir. A more disrespectful bunch you couldn’t imagine.
    (Kuwait is unquestionably a part of Iraq ) After the expulsions of the Iraqis from their 19th province,the Palestinians had their work permits cancelled.Most of them held Jordanian passports and thus returned there.
    In 1948 Israel gave its Arab citizens passports and afforded them democratic rights.

  • Eilat59

    Marsha Levine is a lowlife piece of human garbage – and that’s me being polite.

    • WimsThePhoenix

      Jews bring forth the best and worst of humanity. The best, as typified by the Nobel Laureates for worthwhile prizes – science, medicine, etc – not the worthless, fake “peace” prize.

      The worst are the self-loathing kind, exemplifed by brainwashed Marxists like this woman,

      She should convert to Islam now, because that’s the only way she will survive after the takeover.

      I do hope the little girl’s parents tell her how worthless a person can be despite their ability to take in and regurgitate facts, and that wisdom cannot be learned. Further, they should explain that Britain is now a Marxist dominated country particularly with regard to university education and Oxbridge in particular.

      (Marxists loathe Israel and Jews in particular as they are the people most responsible for keeping capitalism going, which both Marxists and muslims despise, with the added bonus that Islam calls for the death of Jews anyway.)

  • Ron Bockman

    the religion of leftism allows ignorance, even toward children

  • Daniel1

    An impressive post. It would have been moreso had the Archbishop considered what some Palestinians have done to Jews. I think for example of the massacre of the young Fogel family of blessed memory. Two Palestinians entered their home, and slaughtered them. The victims were the father Ehud (Udi) Fogel, the mother Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children—Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and Hadas, the youngest, a three-month-old infant. The infant was decapitated. Their young daughter came home and found them. She found them, and she found her surviving little brother standing at his father’s bedside, saying to the bloody corpse, “Wake up Daddy, wake up.” He didn’t. Video of the massacred family is on youtube.

    I think of the elderly Holocaust victim, his eyes gouged out while he was still living, before he was murdered, or of Shelley Dadon, 19, literally cut to pieces, shredded. I think of Tomer Hazan, 19, who believed a Palestinian man was a friend, went off with him and was murdered. His body parts were found in a garbage can. I think of the nine-year-old boy, raped and killed, and then raped again.

    A Palestinian raped his corpse. I think of the Sbarro massacre, the Hebrew University bombing, the murders now on a daily basis. We mourn the little baby, killed by a Palestinian who rammed his car into her baby carriage . She flew into the air and came down a bloody mass as her mother and grandfather looked on in Horror. Archbishop, Jews are being murdered every day. All services mentioned are, in fact, provided by Israel. Israel is owed millions and millions for electricity. Israel provides health care for Palestinians. Abbas mother and other relatives were treated in Israel at his request. It might be of interest that Abbas pays himself a salary of one millin a month.The relatives of the Hamas billionaire, Mashaal, were treated in Israel, at the request of this murderer.

    Archbishop, I could go on forever. I want to thank you for remembering that Jews are human beings. Many, many people in this sad and tragic world have yet to learn that.

  • Russell Brown

    Outstanding post