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Lidl UK compounds cross removal by treating its customers as idiots

Lidl have been selling their own brand (Eirdanous) Greek food (moussaka, halloumi, meatballs, yoghurt etc) with a doctored image. Perhaps it wouldn’t matter if they’d made the Aegean a little more turquoise or photoshopped the beggars out from around the Parthenon. But they decided instead to remove a cross from the sapphire blue dome of an Orthodox church in Santorini.

And not just one cross, either: all of them were expunged:

Premier have the story, and they contacted Lidl UK for a comment: “We are extremely sorry for any offence caused by the most recent artwork and would like to reassure our customers that this is not an intentional statement,” they responded.

Right.

So someone at Lidl HQ accidentally took to Photoshop and unintentionally expunged all the crosses from the blue-domed churches of Santorini, with no premeditation, no predetermination, and for no particular reason at all?

Does Lidl UK think its customers are idiots?

For the truth, we must go to Lidl Germany, whose spokesman explained: “We avoid the use of religious symbols because we do not want to exclude any religious beliefs. We are a company that respects diversity and this is what explains the design of this packaging.”

So, Lidl UK, it is a perfectly intentional marketing strategy: Christian symbols are expunged in order to inculcate a notion of secular ‘neutrality’, which you believe derives from theological and religious censorship. Indeed, Lidl UK, your colleagues state as much in their further comment: “Our intention has never been to shock, we avoid the use of religious symbols on our packaging to maintain neutrality in all religions, and if it has been perceived differently, we apologize to those who may have been shocked.”

Now, we can quibble over a branding decision for marketing purposes: non-Muslim customers aren’t likely to purchase Lidl’s own Halal range if it’s all emblazoned with mosques and crescents, are they? The objective is sales; the motive profit.

So why lie about it?

The cross is indeed offensive to those who are being lost: ‘And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased‘ (Gal 5:11); ‘For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God‘ (1Cor 1:18). And so Lidl UK joins Communist China in abolishing the cross while insisting that it has “nothing to do with religious beliefs”.

The question, of course, is whether Lidl’s Christian customers (or those who are offended by this sort of petty censorship) are sufficiently outraged by this saga to boycott the supermarket altogether, and the answer to that, of course, is probably not.

But it is interesting that the impulse of Lidl UK was to lie about the anti-religious ( = ‘neutral’) motive, which, far from being unintentional, is purposeful and calculated. It isn’t that Lidl seeks to include all religions equally with an array of appropriately cultural multi-faith images on its products: it is that they censor a certain culture’s religious images under the guise of secular neutrality, or non-aggressive secularity, or social-secular positivism, which is, of course, not neutral at all.

One wonders, do they censor all the religious images from their Halal range?

Or do they retain mosques with crescent moons unintentionally?

  • Maalaistollo

    Lidl may be keen to appease the followers of the ROP. If you Google ‘Lidl Halal’ you will find a lot of links to German language sites. By the miracle of Google Translate (which appears to have substantial input from Dennis the Dachshund) you will find stories of Muslim outrage that Lidl’s ‘oriental’ range – not, it must be said, marketed as ‘Islamic’ range – included items made with pig fat. So, it’s just another instance of Germans doing as their Fuhrerin requires for the good of their Muttiland.

  • dannybhoy

    You can email Lidl’s head office here [email protected] and make your views politely and clearly known
    I asked if they would have done this if their picture included a mosque or a gurdwara or a Buddhist pagoda.
    They may be trying to avoid causing controversy in order to sell more goods, but it is another diminishment of our Christian cultural heritage, and if we continue to keep silent or figure it’s too much effort for no point, we can hardly complain when people call us weak and ineffectual. Just to underline the point, what do we see in the news…?
    https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Church-of-England-primary-schools-allowing-hijabs
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/primary-schools-allowing-hundreds-of-girls-as-young-as-five-to-wear-hijabs-as-part-of-uniform-a3625761.html

    Other faiths are not nearly so reticent in standing up for their faith.

  • andrew

    Already been noted that Lidl retain Islamic imagery for their halal line of products – eg crescent moon, minerets etc. So what we’re seeing here has nothing to do with neutrality. This may be a guess, but I’ll wager Lidl is run by middle class capitalists, with a culturally Marxist conscience.

    • Maalaistollo

      Has anybody been able to find any images of Lidl products with anything that could be described as Islamic imagery on it? I’ve not been able to. If they expunge explicitly Islamic symbols, such as the crescent moon atop a mosque dome, then aren’t they doing to the Muslims exactly the same as they are doing to the Christians?

      • andrew

        Brietbart has an article showing that far from deleting any images associated with Islam, Lidl are adding images to their halal product line that emphasis an Islamic aesthetic. Google for more info.

        • Maalaistollo

          Thanks. I’ll have a look.

        • Maalaistollo

          I’ve had a look at Breitbart, which does indeed mention the Islamic images, but does not show any, nor have I been able to find any elsewhere. I am therefore treating Breitbart’s assertion with a degree of caution.

          • andrew

            ‘Some of these products appear to feature logos featuring minarets or buildings with minarets — Islamic religious architecture from which the ‘call to prayer’ is issued five times a day by a muezzin (crier)’

            Go and search lilds online service for proof. Either way, whether proof exists or not, it’s clear what’s going on here.

      • betteroffoutofit

        Hard to find, I agree; maybe they’ve gone all coy about it. I did find one with a crescent on some sort of nappie – but I lost the URL.

  • CliveM

    So religious symbols may exclude. So why use a Church in your publicity? Effectively they are trying to pretend this is something it’s not.

  • Another example of paranoia regarding religious symbols. This ultra modern pathological aversion to all symbolism that is deemed to be potentially offensive is dangerous for society. It panders to a faux ‘offence’ culture. Outrage and offence rather than tolerance is the new virtue when we encounter cultural symbols with which we don’t agree. This intolerance makes for a very fragile and totalitarian society. The future is bleak.

  • Dreadnaught

    Surely a case for the Greek Orthodox to make it known to Lidl that they are using a false image that misrepresents by the omission of the Cross, of one of their churches and that is Offensive

  • SonoView

    Copy of a letter sent to Lidl:

    Dear Lidl,

    What have the Romans ever given us us?

    Answer – quite a lot.

    So what has our Christian heritage ever given us other than, for many centuries, underpinning our law, medicine, education, art, science, architecture, literature, music, values, ethics,rights etc. etc. And, of course, beautiful church buildings in Santorini, which would not have been built had the cross not been a fact of history.

    That much of the West has decided to trash its Christian history is a matter of deep regret and is leaving us spiritually bankrupt. Once you hack off the roots of the tree do not be surprised if the branches start to wither.

    This small but deeply significant act by Lidl says much about our society, and it is not nice!

    • Merchantman

      The Germans would probably claim the Romans never did anything for them because the Romans never subdued the Germanic tribes to any great extent. Indeed they ( Germans ) played a major part in bringing the Western Empire down.
      As you know it was the English missionary St Boniface who brought the Gospel to the Germans.
      So you see this De Christianising of Germany and Europe is no big deal for Berlin. One hardly needs reminding of the Germans 20th century contributions to Western Civilisation. After all We are reminded often and all made to feel guilty by some tenuous association.
      Yes- the Germans understand all about trashing Western Christian Civilisation and so what they do to a Greek Church in this advert is probably second nature.

      • Anton

        From Arian to Aryan?

    • Fred Uttlescay

      Are you suggesting that we couldn’t have built a decent civilisation or had lovely buildings without Christianity? Wouldn’t the same people have been capable of building stuff even if they didn’t believe in tribal fairy tales?

  • Lying
    Is
    Dumb
    Loss

    • Fred Uttlescay

      It must have taken ages for you to think of that. Very well done!!!

      • Chefofsinners

        Fred
        Uttlescay

    • Dreadnaught

      Lidl…
      Lets
      Islam
      Dictate
      Laws

  • Dolphinfish

    I’ve actually visited the church in the photo. It’s a beautiful building and the interior even more so, in the manner of the Orthodox. There is something a little bit sick about defacing it, even if it’s only virtual defacement, and I don’t think you need to be any kind of believer to find this behaviour disturbing or oppressive.

    • Anton

      I contented myself with viewing the outside when I was there. Not your average Greek island with its volcanic reminders!

      • CliveM

        Been there once for a short trip, loved it. Intend to go back.

    • Fred Uttlescay

      It’s so awful it makes me laugh.

  • Non-religious is not religiously neutral. It is anti-religion and favours one particular religious belief: atheism.

    • Fred Uttlescay

      We should all be anti-religion. It’s poison.

      • Dodgy Geezer

        But not, presumably, anti-muslim? Because I think that’s illegal…

  • whether Lidl’s Christian customers are sufficiently outraged by this saga to boycott the supermarket altogether, and the answer to that, of course, is probably not

    If Lord Carey is a man of his word, he will be shunning Lidl like the plague. Seven years ago he said: ‘We must constantly remind society of its Christian roots and heritage. As I wrote recently, if we behave like doormats, don’t be surprised if we are treated as though we are.’

    Of course, society wouldn’t need reminding of its Christian roots and heritage if Lord Carey’s church had fought heart and soul to prevent the mass importation of non-Christians. But, for whatever reason, the church agreed that Christianity should be replaced by Islam. All the church can do now is to put a brave face on it, taking as its inspiration the sublime example of the Doormat of Canterbury: ‘Archbishop Justin told his audience that diversity was a “gift not a threat” and he did not want to live in a “monocultural” society.’

  • David

    Like all who seek the truth, in science and faith, I hate these actions which are tantamount to lying.
    We shop at Sainsbury’s and occasionally Aldi. But nevertheless I shall email them today telling them that now I shall recommend to all my friends who do use them not to do so. Many thanks to dannyboy who has given us their email address.

    • CliveM

      Remember Aldi isn’t Lidl!

      • David

        Used wrong pronoun, namely “them” – most misleading !
        Lidl are the offenders.

      • Fred Uttlescay

        Remember God isn’t real!

        • Jonathan

          Troll number four – bye bye. Blocked.

          • betteroffoutofit

            Same here.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Jpnathan loves Israeli terrorism , sir greville janner and Nuttanyahoo

        • Anton

          You are not the sort of Fred Uttlescay that I, for one, would wish to believe in.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Me neither!

        • CliveM

          Go bore someone else. You appear not to have anything interesting to say.

        • Chefofsinners

          Remember people are allowed to decide for themselves.

      • Chefofsinners

        No, it’s quite big.

        • CliveM

          Groan…………….

  • carl jacobs

    Interesting. My wife and I have been watching a show on Netflix called “Very British Problems”. It was hard not to notice how carefully the cast had been selected to represent various subgroups by race, sexuality, class, and disability. You can tell that casting went out of its way to be “inclusive and diverse”. It is normally the case that “inclusion and diversity” are instantiated by making subgroups visible.

    But here we have the opposite method employed. In this case the idea is to instantiate “inclusion and diversity” by homogenization. Religion is submerged because it is presumed to be inherently divisive. This is the realization of the principle that “inclusion and diversity” restricts religion to private spaces where it can be neither seen nor heard.

    So you might say “But the crescent moon on halal products!” Yes, well if you are a clever marketing guy, you will look at your sales data for halah and say “Our market is principally Muslims so … no problem”. But a product aimed at a general market will follow the “inclusion” dictate that says “Religion must be invisible”.

    Will they change the picture to include crosses? Not a snowball’s chance in hell. They would change the packaging first by using a different picture. The company now has a brand new lesson learned: “Don’t use pictures with churches.”

    • Maalaistollo

      They already seem to be going that way. Lidl supply a Cheddar cheese under the rather implausible ‘Valley Spire’ name (which may be a way of deceiving moronic shoppers who intended to buy Cathedral City Cheddar, but forgot everything about the name except that it had ecclesiastical connotations) and I have found images of the packaging which used to show a rather poorly executed silhouette of a gothic church. Not any more. The current packaging just shows cows (hope that doesn’t offend the Hindus). If it wasn’t for the ‘Cathedral City’ ploy, they’d presumably have changed the name itself by now.

      • David

        I’m confused.
        Cheddar is a small village in Somerset, and certainly doesn’t have a Cathedral ?

        • grutchyngfysch

          I actually don’t know at all whether Cathedral City Cheddar is anything to do with this – but I suspect if it is a local reference it may well be to Wells, which is indeed a city only by virtue of its cathedral and is just up the road from Cheddar Gorge.

          • David

            Yes I’m aware of all that as I lived in the area for 5 years.
            I suspect that it is just empty advertising imagery with little connection to anything in reality.

          • Pubcrawler

            Pretty much. As cheddar cheese it has little else to recommend it.

            From Wikipedia:

            It is produced from a 25-year-old recipe at Davidstow in Cornwall, which has neither city status nor a cathedral.[3] However, the brand’s original owners, Mendip Foods, were based in the cathedral city of Wells in Somerset.

            The cathedral drawing on the packaging bears a very slight resemblance to Wells, if you don’t look too hard.

          • David

            Nailed it !

          • Chefofsinners

            As indeed the cheese bears a very slight resemblance to Cheddar if you hold your nose and swallow hard.

          • Pubcrawler

            As indeed my second sentence implied.

          • Chefofsinners

            Pretty much.

        • Chefofsinners

          The manor of Cheddar was sold to the bishop of Bath and Wells in 1202 by King John.

          • David

            And King John had a hunting lodge in the centre of Axbridge, not far from where I once lived some 33 years ago. Axbridge is a mile and the length of a cheese straw from Cheddar. When I lived in Axbridge the lodge was a museum.

      • Fred Uttlescay

        It’s lovely cheese produced by Wyke Farms for Lidl. No need to get all upset about a brand name.

        • Maalaistollo

          Not upset about the name – just pointing out what appears to be a common supermarket ploy. I agree that it’s good cheese. If Dale Farm’s website is to be believed, they are now the sole suppliers of it to Lidl. Wyke Farms’ only reference to it is presumably historic. However, if you derive psychological comfort from the belief that it is still created by Wyke Farms I wouldn’t want to unsettle your faith.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Don’t be childish. This one is definitely from Wyke. They couldn’t describe it as West Country if it’s from Northern Ireland.
            https://www.lidlcommunity.co.uk/t5/Product-Reviews/VALLEY-SPIRE-Mature-Cheddar/cns-p/4266/page/3

          • Maalaistollo

            I followed the link you gave. It provides comments on Lidl’s cheese from (mostly) satisfied customers. The comment asserting that it is made by Wyke Farms is dated 22-09-2015 11:16 PM. While that may have been true then, it does not appear to be the case now. See the press-release on the Dale Farm website – http://dalefarm.co.uk/dale-farm-to-supply-lidl-with-own-brand-cheddar-across-europe/ ‘Leading dairy business, Dale Farm, has won a major European export contract with retailer Lidl to supply all ‘own-label’ cheddar for the supermarket’s ‘Valley Spire’ and ‘Simply’ brands.’ To the good people in the Lidl bunker, Northern Ireland may well appear to be ‘West Country.’

          • Chefofsinners

            This is the burning question of the hour. I will consult my friend, who is a director at Wyke. I know this much: Wyke aims to position itself as a premium brand.

          • Maalaistollo

            Please let us know the result of your consultation. As will be apparent from the exchange above, this is an issue of faith for Mr Uttlescay, so its importance cannot be overestimated.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Well there you go.

    • andrew

      In the west it works like this: only Christianity MUST be invisible. Dear old islam is apparently forever persecuted, and of course Islam happens to be followed by the multitudes of Brown, non white people (victims), and therefore must be openly defended in all ways. Hide the cross for the general public, yet retain imagery associated with Islam, Buddhism etc in order to appease and impress the minority demographic, as well as white hating, Christian detesting leftists.

    • Fred Uttlescay

      Christians don’t have food fads, so no need for any crosses on food. The food fads of Muslims are derived from Judaism but there is a difference. Chanting of voodoo mumbo jumbo can be substituted for the barbaric cruelty of kosher slaughter. The animal can be pre-stunned and still be halal. Why they can’t simply chant the voodoo mumbo jumbo in the supermarket is beyond me.
      Personally I regard religious faith as a kind of mass mental illness that the civilised world might eventually discard, but with so many primitive and foolish people around I’m certainly not holding my breath.

      • carl jacobs

        Personally I regard religious faith as a [yada yada yada blah blah blah]

        Thanks for sharing. Certainly you have something better to do than come here and proclaim the beauty and perfection of your tremendous ego. Truly we are all impressed. No, really. We are. But we wouldn’t want to waste the time of one such as yourself.

        • Fred Uttlescay

          Yep, religion is yada yada yada blah blah blah. But that blah is tearing the world apart.

          • carl jacobs

            And such originality of thought, as well. You should have been the model for David.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            David who?

          • carl jacobs

            Really? “David who?” I’m disappointed. Disillusioned, even.

          • Anton

            David Bowie?

          • Jon of GSG

            David Jacobs, surely.

          • carl jacobs

            I couldn’t name one of his songs. He did write songs, correct? At least in a technical sense?

          • Chefofsinners

            Cameron

          • carl jacobs

            Michaelangelo.

          • Anton

            Really? You don’t think that racism/tribalism, envy, corruption etc might just play a role in that?

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Religious faith is tribalism.

          • Anton

            Christianity, Islam, Buddhism (among others) are open to people of all tribes.

      • The Snail

        I admire your faith!

        • Fred Uttlescay

          Faith in people you love actually works, faith in Jesus is pissing in the wind.

          • Brian Kelly

            Jesus is one of the people we love.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            It isn’t possible to love a character in a work of fiction.

          • Anton

            You are quite right. We love Jesus because we know that he is alive and not a fictional character.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Post a selfie of you two lovers together showing the nail holes.

          • Brian Kelly

            You don’t have much imagination, Fred.

          • The Snail

            Thank you so much for giving us all the first two tenets of your faith.

            I would refute the first “Faith in people you love actually works – there are lots of people who have found that faith in those you love is betrayed – so it doesn’t work all of the time.

  • Murti Bing

    I guess they won’t be selling hot cross buns any more either. And will croissants stay on the shelves? They were, after all, created as a symbol of victory over previous acts of islamic aggression.

    Oh, it’s a mixed up world. I wonder what the bloke at Greenbelt would say.

  • John

    “We do not want to exclude any religious beliefs.” So, in the perverse logic of inclusivity and equality, you just exclude all of them.

    • Chefofsinners

      Probably not. You just exclude Christianity.

  • Sarky

    This might have something to do with it:-

    I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

    More than half in UK are non-religious, suggests survey – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41150792

    • layreader

      And as the nation has progressed, slowly, from religious to non-religious, its morality has gone down with it. Might these two facts be related?

      • Fred Uttlescay

        Unlikely when you consider that morality doesn’t come from religion.

        • Sybaseguru

          Without religion there is no morality, after all morality is non-optimal for the individual and the only scientific view you can take once you’ve ignored God as creator making us in his likeness is that we are selfish genes. Its only God as judge that makes morality palatable with the promise of eternal life.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Morality predates all the religions and gods that man ever concocted.

          • Anton

            So you have faith that man created god, rather than vice-versa.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            The history of man demonstrates it. Man, at least 100,000 years old, God, less than 10,000.

          • Anton

            Wherever man has been able to leave evidence of his inner life the evidence is that he has been religious.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            We are growing out of it, thank goodness.

          • Anton

            Isn’t that a bit eurocentric?

          • Sybaseguru

            And man made no progress in the first 90,000+ of those years. Compared to progress since the God of the bible made himself known, the difference is staggering and way outside the possibility of chance. Morality was the key to unlocking progress, which takes me back to my statement that there is no morality without God

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Stonings, child sacrifice, slavery, killing gays, burning women as witches, oh so civilised.

          • Inspector General

            Can’t understand the killing of some gays. For example, if one sodomised one’s 14 year old son, if there was one, then surely a shake of the hand is what’s called for…

          • layreader

            And I suppose the atheists have never done that sort of thing, have they? Just how many people died as a result of the two competing atheisms of the Second World War?

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Most people believed at that time, including the Nazis.

          • Anton

            Most people were baptised at that time. Doesn’t mean they believed a word of it when they grew up. Perhaps you would be so good as to explain the causal link from Christianity to World Wars 1 and 2, and why you consider it outweighs nationalism?

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Are we heading towards the no true Scotsman fallacy? It appears so. Check out Martin Luther.
            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/martin-luther-quot-the-jews-and-their-lies-quot

            Or wasn’t he a true Christian either?

          • Sybaseguru

            Don’t recollect Jesus commending those things – perhaps you could enlighten me. In fact you might like to read about Jesus and the woman caught in adultery – “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. Try reading one of the gospels and get your facts right .

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Jesus never did anything at all. He’s just a character in the old book you choose to cherry pick from.

          • Anton

            Real Christians don’t cherry-pick the Bible.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            Of course they do. There is much nasty crap in there.

          • The Snail

            I doubt you could substantiate that.

      • Sarky

        Nope.

    • Anton

      O, they’re religious alright. It’s called socialism, statism or whatever.

      • Sarky

        Oc course, i see them every sunday worshipping Corbyn and singing that great hymn ‘the red flag’.

        • Anton

          He’s their bishop. Their god, like mine, is real but invisible. The Internationale is another of their hymns.

          • Sarky

            Nope, I’ve definately seen him. So have thousands of others. Can you say that?

          • Anton

            Corbyn isn’t their god; he’s their bishop. Socialism is their god.

        • The Snail

          No they do that in their worship at the Labour Party conference

  • layreader

    Their friends over at Aldi don’t have this problem. They’ve been selling hot-cross buns for months, regardless of the time of year.

  • But, Lidl are portraying a lie by doing this. Santorini is a Christian religious place. Why don’t they just change the whole picture on the Greek food packaging if they do not wish to cause ‘offence’ because what they have done here HAS caused offence, but of course Christians no longer matter or count do we.
    I wouldn’t shop in Lidl if you paid me.

    • Fred Uttlescay

      Why don’t you just draw crosses in afterwards if it offends you so much?

      • That’s not the point. If you buy Lidl Greek food with a view to going there on your holiday, when you get there you will see lots of crosses because they’re Orthodox Christians. Lidl are peddling a lie, Santorini is not secular.

        • Fred Uttlescay

          Is going in the supermarket and looking at food labels your usual method for choosing a holiday?

          • Don’t be obtuse.

          • Fred Uttlescay

            :O)

          • Inspector General

            As the American’s would say “a wise guy”

            Took the opportunity to part investigate your blogging history. Was rather hoping we have in you an intelligent philosopher of godless creed with something new to say. Never mind, perhaps the next smart arse who comes along…

          • Fred Uttlescay

            “As the American’s would say”

            American’s? Are we talking greengrocer’s?

          • Inspector General

            Let’s see. Have a list here of activities to be undertaken tonight. No. Not there. Not tonight. Oh look. “Communicating with a blog bore” That’s on Wednesday though. So see you then. Same time…

            Cheery pip, that man!

          • Fred Uttlescay

            I feel much the same about you.

          • Inspector General

            That’s the spirit. Humble in defeat, what!

            Now. Orff you go and annoy the poofs on PInk News…

          • carl jacobs

            That would work. I could think of a few other phrases however.

            Where are the Spice Mines of Kessel when you need them?

          • Sarky

            The sarlacc pit is much worse. All that digesting for eternity nonsense.

          • carl jacobs

            I agree. That part of the story never did make any sense. It seemed to be included for no other reason than to strike an image in the mind of the audience.

            Episode VI. George Lucas Takes Over and all of us wonder what might have been.

          • Sarky

            Must admit i could never forgive the ewoks, but the rest is pretty good, especially
            the emperor and vadar ending.

          • carl jacobs

            Han was supposed to get killed in Episode VI. But no. Marketing. Then we would have been spared the whining presence of Darth Bratis Tempertantrumis.

          • Sarky

            I agree han should have died. Kylo ren is possibly the most irritating movie baddie ever (and also the wettest)

          • carl jacobs

            Did … ummm … Did we just agree on something?

          • Inspector General

            Don’t be silly, Carl

          • carl jacobs

            Carl is never silly, Inspector. Carl doesn’t have an unserious bone in his body.

            I had a very specific reason for using that reference. And it wasn’t because I wanted to take a shot at Darth Snivel. That was simply a target of opportunity.

      • Dodgy Geezer

        Because the issue is the public display, not whether an individual shopper can re-create a cross…

        • Fred Uttlescay

          Is it a real issue at all? Look at the history of Christianity.

          • Dodgy Geezer

            Rather full of the public display of symbols, the history of Christianity…

  • Inspector General

    It’s Lidl being pig headed, not muslims.

    Does this company realise that appeasement merely adds to the fear and loathing of this unpleasant religion.

    • ramon

      The crosses were offending satanists…can’t you see that ? This PC is to get us more Divided and Ruled.

    • StopZionistCensorship

      no Lidl are trying to get Muslims to get the blame for their decision

      • Inspector General

        Oh Lord! Don’t say that! If these muslim thicko people get it into their paranoid heads that’s the case, and these stupids are well capable of that, then the gunmen are going to turn up at Lidl HQ. Not something Lidl would want appearing on the annual shareholders report…

        • StopZionistCensorship

          well the decision was made by Germans NOT Muslims , almost all terror is faked anyway , however your too dense to know it

          • Inspector General

            Not so dense as to immediately realise when “you’re” is being mispelt. {Wags finger accusingly}

            You really must not jump into bed with every conspiracy theory going. People notice, you know. Give you a bad name, it will. They might even think you’re an idiot, would you believe.

            By the way. Israel is our friend. They have shown how it is possible to be surrounded by Islam and still thrive. We can learn a lot from them.

            Now. Take all this in and not a whimper from you. Be disciplined when corrected by a higher authority.

            Carry on, that man.

  • Dodgy Geezer

    …“We avoid the use of religious symbols because we do not want to exclude any religious beliefs. We are a company that respects diversity and this is what explains the design of this packaging.”…

    So… the Lidl stores won’t be celebrating Christmas, then?

  • Fred Uttlescay

    Sorry. :O)

  • not a machine

    ah those nice bargain shops , down to earth retailing ,I wouldn’t have thought the sophistication of removing crosses from an image , was some sort of marketing meeting issue .Of course with the crosses removed , we still have the beautiful sun filled image of health and vitality , not that other images of Greece in recent times haven’t shown what financial measures means in reality.
    Now I will be wondering if Aldi is more sophisticated in other areas, is selling gluvine some sort of image of the alps ?, is stollen some challenger to the English scone ?,are satanic memes embedded in the upper price bars when you cant locate the price for the bin your rummaging in ? ……
    I wonder if we are heading to some sort of advert where an old lady like in yellow pages J R Hartley book , goes to young retail customer service member “excuse me I am looking for a hot cross buns and an easter egg” and he/she points out that the Christian isle is in the back corner , between the medicine and air freshener section and a slight corrective ,to not use the word Easter egg , as they were now called chocolate eggs, as the word Easter suggested supply for a Christian religious celebration ? which is offensive..

  • betteroffoutofit

    Ah, Your Grace; how limited these post-modernist anti-Crossers are 🙂
    What will they do next – banish the use of all forms of “T” (the Tau Cross); or of “X” (the Chi Cross)?

    It is barely conceivable that they understand that, for those sensitive to the Second Commandment and the issue of idolatry, the Christian cross has served the Orthodox East for a long time. As Michelle Brown has noted: “In the 720s the iconoclast party erected a tablet above the great gate of the imperial palace in Constantinople** recording the substitution of a cross for the figure of Christ.”** Thereafter, our own venerable crosses proliferated.

    However, it is still less likely that the Lidl masters of cupidity and lies can conceive of how subtly cross symbolism suffuses daily life. I’d rather not give them ideas, but they’d have problems eradicating crosses from eastern or western culture, and from textual/verbal ( 🙂 ) production.

    Thank you, though, for highlighting what the Anti-Christers are up to. Christians must take seriously what we face, and it will do us no harm to re-visit the significations of our symbol! Notwithstanding those historians who refute dreams and prophecy (and probably morphic resonance), I take as inspiration the legend offered by Eusebius as from the mouth of Constantine. He, before winning the Battle of Milvian Bridge (AD312) “- saw with his own eyes the trophy of a cross of light in the heavens, above the sun, and bearing the inscription, CONQUER BY THIS. At this sight he himself was struck with amazement, and his whole army also, which followed him on this expedition, and witnessed the miracle” (Chapter XXVIII).

    As I write, then, I cross my fingers, and touch wood, that the Enemy’s devotion to diversity will help them to accept our divorce from euro-unity without much further ado.

    Meanwhile – I will continue to “buy British” wherever possible.

    _________________________
    **Brown, Michelle P. “The Lindisfarne Gospels: Society, Spirituality, and the Scribe.” London: The British Library, 2003; 74.
    ***Eusebius of Caesarea. “The Life of the Blessed Emperor Constantine.” [The Bagster translation, revised by Ernest Cushing Richardson, Ph.D., Librarian and Associate Professor in Hartford Theological Seminary]. For full ref. see: https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/vita-constantine.asp

    • Manfarang

      Among the symbols employed by the early Christians, that of the fish seems to have ranked first in importance.

      • Anton

        You’d better define “early”. First century? Pre-constantinian? Up to the collapse of the West into the Dark Ages? To Charlemagne?

      • Pubcrawler

        So what?

  • Chefofsinners

    To cause this much offence to a secularist, you would have to airbrush the penis from a photograph of Linus.
    … which would leave a blank page.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      One shudders…

      • Chefofsinners

        …ones udders?

        There’s an image to airbrush.

  • Catalina

    I remember the country scene printed on Yorkshire Tea boxes used to include little churches. Then one day the boxes had a new design….but without the little churches. I’ve always wondered whether that was deliberate.

  • StopZionistCensorship

    i explain the hidden motive behind Lidls decision to photoshop pit crosses from Greek churches ( and its not what you might think)

    https://vid.me/v4wuh

    • carl jacobs

      Oh Good Grief. I’d watch the video, but “Why?” All it will say is “The Jews did it.”

      Just go away.

      • StopZionistCensorship

        Jacobs ? are you an Islamophobe by any chance?

        • carl jacobs

          I just love it when anti-Semites think I’m Jewish.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            why am i an anti semite ? what evidence do you have

          • carl jacobs

            Oh, I don’t know. What would make me think that? Just a hunch, I guess.

            It’s true. I confess. I do have a Jewish relative in my ancestry – back in the 17th century.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            your a fool, your hunches are as worthless as your comments , however you are an Islamophobe as is shown by the channel you follow , you are a prize hypocrite

            Rebel Saint

            Apparently I’m a
            hateful, intolerant, homophobic, islamaphobic, god-bothering bigot.
            Liberals really don’t like being beaten in an argument do they!

          • carl jacobs

            Well, that was easy. Would you like to keep talking or do you want to salvage what little remains of your reputation on this site?

          • CliveM

            I’m going to make a wild stab in the dark and quess that English isn’t his first language.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            your good aty making wild stabbings but not much else , you certainly have no regard for the truth ,

          • Maalaistollo

            We know which particular religious group is most accomplished at ‘wild stabbings’ don’t we?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            no we dont as those events are staged using crisis actors, sadly you love believeing teh Daily Mail and the BBC

          • Maalaistollo

            Think I have uncovered your identity. An anagram of StopZionistCensorship is Trichinoses zits no pops. I claim my £5!

          • dannybhoy

            Trichinoses zits ‘n poops.?

          • Maalaistollo

            Probably will never be as popular as fish ‘n’ chips, eggs ‘n’ bacon, etc, but these days you never know.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you can claim your sheckels

          • dannybhoy

            A word of warning: don’t tangle with Clive. He can be very mean when aroused..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            ooh will Clive he hit me with his handbag?

          • CliveM

            Don’t worry I’m not interested in spending time on brain dead conspiracy theorists who spend too much time in darkened rooms on the internet, downloading garbage from their favourite porn sites and refusing to tidy their bedroom when their mother asks.

            Or washing.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            ooh i am so hurt

          • CliveM

            Really? I am sorry.

            Thought you had to have a brain to feel emotion.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            your use of scripted jibes shows you for what you are – a moron

          • CliveM

            Scripted! Not only are you an anti Semite and a dull witted conspiracy theorist (the two go together) but you are a cad who libels my good name. Scripted? All my own work.

            Now go away, take your juvenile nonsense to whatever conspiracy site will have you, I’m now seriously bored of giving you attention.

          • CliveM

            Me? I’m a mild mannered child of peace!

            SZC however is an anti Semitic pillock of little brain, who I’ve decided is not worth my time bothering with.

          • CliveM

            Identify one lie if you can.

            Just so we all know, what are your religious beliefs?

          • carl jacobs

            Heh. Did you get that impression as well?

          • CliveM

            It’s either that or our public schooling is even worse then I feared!

            His written English seems heavily ‘accented’ to me. I suspect he’s a recent ME import.

          • carl jacobs

            He wasn’t sophisticated enough with his use of the language to recognize:

            1. That I had already given my evidence and it was conclusive.
            2. That my hunch was no hunch at all.

            But by this point, the fact has been established. Long and well established. Dannybhoy asked the right question: “How old are you?” He’s certainly not old enough to wipe himself without adult supervision.

          • Jabba Trophynol

            he has my full support

          • StopZionistCensorship

            thanks a useful ally indeed . Zionism is an evil cult and must be resisted . all pseudo Christians who support that terroristic cult must be considered traitors and dealt with accordingly

          • Anton

            …meaning what?

          • carl jacobs

            Oh well then. That changes everything.

          • CliveM

            Take a look at his history. He has a thing about Zionism and cat poo. He also recommends that brothels change their pillows once a year.

            Useful stuff.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Zionism is a Christian hating cult , or do you agree that Jews are the chosen people and Christians are goyim , dumb cattle ? if so you will be in agreement with your antyi Muslim hero Jacobs

          • Anton

            That’s rather odd, because I’m a Christian and a zionist. So why is a gentile Christian a zionist? Because the Bible makes clear that the Jews will return. As they have. Why not go to one of the parties celebrating the centenary of the Balfour Declaration in a few weeks. I’ll be at one.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Brother Nathanael a Greek Orthodox priest born a Jews has deconstructed your sophistry , being a Zionist and being a Christian are incompatible especially since Israel continues to expel Palestinians ( including Christians ) from their homes , you also celebrate the King David Hotel massacre , your guilty of treason as the Balfour declaration was an illegal document drafted by agents of the Rothschild crime family

          • Anton

            I do not celebrate the bombing of the King David Hotel.

            being a Zionist and being a Christian are incompatible especially since Israel continues to expel Palestinians

            I suggest that you take that up with God, not me, since an end to the second exile is clearly prophesied in the Bible and is portrayed in positive terms. See Isaiah (11:11-12), for instance. The Abrahamic covenant remains in place.

          • Jabba Trophynol

            it has been made illegal, null and void, because israel has broken a key promise, and that is to not attak the palestinians

          • Anton

            In 1947 the UN proposed a partition of Mandatory Palestine. The Jews accepted it; the Arabs of Palestine rejected it. Following the vote the sporadic violence between the two communities escalated into civil war. The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, after stating in a newspaper interview weeks before the UN vote that he hoped the Jews would not force war (Akhbar al-Yom, Egypt, 11th October 1947), went on that any hostilities against them would be “a war of extermination, a momentous massacre.” Did the Jews force war? Jamal Husseini, the Palestinian Arab leader, told the UN Security Council during the fighting (on 16th April 1948) that: “The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.”

          • StopZionistCensorship

            assuming you claim to be British would you accept a UN resolution that the UK should become an Islamic state and a home for the worlds refugees? well WOULD YOU?

          • Anton

            Have you not heard of the Weizmann-Feisal accord? The Arab leaders okayed Balfour.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you mean with the crypto Jewish Saudi scum? The Palestinians never agreed to this ,

          • Anton

            They regarded themselves as Syrian Arabs under a Turkish yoke.

          • Jabba Trophynol

            can i just abbreviate that to CNUT ?

          • CliveM

            I wouldn’t call Carl a hero, he’s American, it would go straight to his head.

          • carl jacobs

            My natural American humility prevents me from responding.

          • CliveM

            No one can’t say that Americans don’t have impeccable manners.

          • dannybhoy

            Maybe that’s why you get on with our Jack? My mother was told years ago by a Jewish woman that often Gentiles who are ‘sympatico’ to Jewish people will have a Jewish connection somewhere in their background.
            “It’s in the blood,” she told my mother. Certainly were it not for my belief in Jesus as Mashiach I would have converted and stayed in Israel.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            go there and say hello to Sir Greville, Shirley Porter and Jo Cox , you will like the gay bars

          • dannybhoy

            Duhhhh!
            Read my comment again.
            I said ‘valued’ Jewish contributors..
            Every people has bad apples in their communal barrel.
            We British have plenty of examples of crooks, pervs and traitors.
            Wouldn’t you agree?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            yes Dannyboy I would , there are many British traitors like Zionist Blair, Zionist Thatcher, Zionist Savile, Zionist Janner , There are plenty of evil Britons especially from the Masons

          • I doubt it, Carl. You failed the Herring Test.

          • carl jacobs

            Are you referring to the pioneering work of Sir Pemberton Wilford Herring, DSO, CBE in regard to the consumption of Lutefisk in Sweden? I heard he had developed a test to detect culturally-induced taste deformation in certain groups.

          • No, Sir Herring never actually managed to formulate the parameters and baselines for his test and taste deformation is a hypothesis which I personally disproved b virtue of being half-Sefardi, who, as you of course know, detest herring in pickled states. I was thinking of actual herring, as in Clupea harengus harengus. Even when adjusted for cultural variabilities, you’ll find a standard Gaussian distribution with people like you at the edges of the herring likability diagram, and people like me, stacked near the geometric center point, well like herrings in a jar.

          • carl jacobs

            Yeh. That’s what the Swedes say about Lutefisk. No one believes them either. Perhaps there is some bias in their probability density finction for Lutefisk likeability.

          • Had to, totally had to, look up lutefisk. It makes absolutely no sense; days of soaking to desalinate a slab of dry salted fish, treating with ash lye which eats away half of the protein and may turn the fats into soap if overdone, then soaking again to remove the lye and after all that effort to remove the salt, putting a new layer of salt to firm up the mushy goo for cooking. Why even cooking? The thing’s hardly fish anymore. No logic to any of this, unless it tastes absolutely amazing…which I can’t imagine, as cod and whitefish are bland and boring enough even if unmolested by lye and on the way to saponification.

            But you mentioned lutefisk twice, a message even the most distracted psychoanalyst wouldn’t miss. Is this a cry for help? Are you trying to desperately signal a desire to become Canadian, a need which you transferred to a quirky passion for lutefisk? Or are you still only lutefisk-curious or lutefisk-questioning? Me, I see evidence of a real, atavistic if not primeval, need to reconnect to your distant environments, or at least to their Jungean archetypes. Explains the herring insults. Then, all that aggressing you manifest against Canada…very fishy, that. You’re from the Midwest, so most certainly with a heavy Scandinavian ancestry. Strange things happen to people torn away from the sea and the rocky Scandinavian coast lands and deposited in the flat, deep-soiled middle of a huge continent. What you really want to do then, is to embrace Canadianness. To move to Eastern Canada; plenty of fjords and coves all along the coast for you to hide in and conduct raids from and so rediscover the real lutefisk-eating and herring-loving you.

          • ramon

            Most Jewish folks aren’t Semites….

          • Anton

            Not the Khazar nonsense again?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            yes the facts again that you cant deal with through your Rothschild loving prism

          • dannybhoy

            It’s a Christian blog open to all so um, yes, I suppose we must welcome you…
            We believe in, love and worship the Lord Jesus. Jesus as man was a Jew. Salvation is of the Jews, so any true Christian will be kindly disposed to and supportive of Jews in general. We recognise that there as many Jews who let down the ideal of Judaism as there are British people who bring shame to Great Britain.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            yes many British people bring shame on us, your a prime example . We disown you as you are a traitor

          • Anton

            And who is “We”?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            patriots , people of decency , ie not you and your rabble

          • Anton

            Funny, I thought I was those things. But I am not so inflated as to think I speak on behalf of the nation.

          • Well, there you go DB. I bet you tossed and turned all night over that one.

          • Anton

            Can’t answer my question? Fine, i’ll keep asking it in front of readers of this blog.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you may or may not be a physicist however you are not an anthropologist . Jews come in two main varieties the Sephardic Jews from North Africa and Iberia who are semitic and the Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe who are not . The Rothschilds, Sir Greville, Lord Green , Esther Rantzen etc are all Ashkenazis and are not semitic . they originate from Ukraine, Russia and Kazakstan and are Jewish converts in much the same way as if you decided to convert to Judaism to get a slice of the action . That would not make you an ethnic Jew anymore than a chinaman can become an African by conversion

          • Anton

            The Ashkenazim derive from a fairly small bunch of Jews who reached the Rhineland in the 11th century. How they got there is uncertain, which is hardly surprising given that Western Europe had been through a several-century-long dark age, but why disbelieve that they were who they said they were and whhat is your evidence that their principal ancestry was not the ancient Jews?

          • ramon

            If you leave out the “nonsense” part, my answer is yes…just do a little study on the matter.

          • Anton

            I did. That’s why I call it nonsense. What is your evidence that the ancestors of the Ashkenazim, who go to the Rhineland in the 11th century, were Khazars?

          • ramon

            Sorry to say but all the HQ CCTV footage of that event got lost/deleted….

          • Jonathan

            And another blocked. Bye bye.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            another day, another Zionist extremist bye bye

      • StopZionistCensorship

        by the way Zionists are aggressive opponents of free speech

        • Anton

          Not this Zionist!

          • StopZionistCensorship

            ok explain why Zionist media pump out pro immigration propaganda ? you agreee with open borders?

          • Anton

            I don’t. Prove that the media are all zionist.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you will be asking me to prove that the earth is an oblate spheroid next? use Jewish owned Google and do a search , i am not your lackey to do simple seraches on your lazy behalf

          • Anton

            Perhaps you don’t understand the notion of reasoned argument. You made the claim, so you prove it – if you can.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            i understand the concept however the data proving Jews control media and Hollywood is widely available but because of your pro Zionist , pro terrorism sentiments you refuse to see it. you suffer from a common disease called cognitive dissonance . Israel is well known for sponsoring terrorism and Israeli activists are actively engaged in assisting Muslim emigration to Europe something that you will approve of no doubt as you think Jews are better than Christians as they are chosen by God apparently

          • Anton

            So you are unable to offer evidence then. When asked to so so, you merely repeat your claims.

            Come on Lazybones, do some work and put up some evidence!

          • StopZionistCensorship
          • Anton

            Ramon above, unlike you, did get specific. Sony – Japanese-owned. (Last time I looked, Japanese were not the lost tribes of Israel.) Murdoch – a gentile. So they employ some Jews, so what?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Murdoch has a Jewish mother and is an Israel firster , so your wrong yet again

          • Anton

            Kindly define “Israel first” as you repeatedly use the term but I am not familiar with it.

            I am no expert on the Murdoch family but this is the Wikipedia entry on Rupert’s mother:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_(philanthropist)

            Where are the Jews?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Elizabeth Murdoch is Jewish, wikipedia is unreliable , many Jews hide their ancestry to avoid the issue of control , anyway Wikipedia is a Zionist owned entity that cannot be trusted on historical or political issues but is reasonably accurate on Panda distribution and insect anatomy

          • Anton

            What’s your evidence that she’s Jewish?

          • StopZionistCensorship
          • StopZionistCensorship

            Times of Israel admit Jews DO control media , now get off your flabby gay ass and do some of your own research you treasonous goy

          • Anton

            You clearly don’t have the faintest idea what “research” means. I am a research physicist, as it happens. I do my research to back up my hunches. If other people want me to believe their hunches, THEY do the research and then show it to me.

            Either you can’t back up your claim or you are too lazy to. Either way it doesn’t look good to the readers of this blog, does it?

            I’m not gay, by the way. If you considered that an insult, it shows again that you have run out of arguments.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            a research physicist, god help us then ., i have shown evidence that not only do Jews own media they even brag about it , however as a self hating Goy you wont accept any information that contradicts your Israel First perversion

            http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewish-companies-control-96-of-the-worlds-media/

          • Anton

            I have no idea what you mean by “Israel First”. I put Jesus first in my life.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Jesus threw the money changers out the temple yet you support Jewish banks?

          • Anton

            Jesus was a Jew.

            I am against fiat currency, which is the original sin of the banking system.

          • michael donaghey

            Jesus might have been a Jew but was not a Pharisee.

          • Jabba Trophynol

            ok great, where is the physics based evidence of there being a god ?

          • Anton

            In the beauty of the laws of physics – a beauty that all physicists see, secular and religious, but only the latter can explain.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            the fake physicist uses faith rather than reason ,

          • Anton

            Reason builds on faith. In science, scientists have faith in what is called the scientific method: that laws of physics exist, and that the same experiment repeated at a different time and place will give the same result, from which the laws may be inferred using reason.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            laws of physics you twat , did you know that muslims suspended laws of physics on 9/11. did building 7 owned by your hero Larry Silverstein really come down in 7 seconds because of OFFICE FIRES?

          • Anton

            I think you are confusing the argument about how quickly the two main towers tell with the argument about WTC7. It is a matter of elementary physics that the two towers DIDN’T fall faster than gravity would permit:

            http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html

            I’ll walk you through the physics if you want more detail and if you desist from personal insult.

            WTC7 was of an unusual design which didn’t help (it had been built over an electrical substation that couldn’t be touched), it had been kinetically bombed from the air by hundreds of tons of rubble from the collapse of one of the towers, and a fire had raged uncontrolled in it for many hours. Nobody should be surprised that it crumpled soon after the firefighters were pulled from the building; they realised it didn’t have long by that point and that they had lost. Anybody who listens to a recording of Silverstein’s “Pull it!” comment will grasp that instantly. Or are you implicating the brave firefighters of New York City in a Jewish conspiracy?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            [WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which
            … US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more
            stock fraud records), and … Office of Emergency Management and many
            other financial institutions.

          • Anton

            IF it did – I’ve learnt that you are often inaccurate – then so what?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            what di i say thats inaccurate. Netanyahu said that 9/11 was VERY GOOD for Israel , please specify what i said thats inaccurate , details please mr Zionist

          • Anton

            What did you say that was inaccurate here? How long have you got? Hagee’s Christian name, Murdoch’s mother, duration of collapse of WTC1&2…

          • dannybhoy
          • Anton

            9/11 was a wakeup call for a complacent West who at last began to understand what Israel was up against.

            Are you a supporter of terrorism in the Holy Land today?

          • dannybhoy

            It’s not using sophistry, it’s looking at all the aspects of a situation and coming to as fair a conclusion as you can. What you and the Jabba the Hutt seem to be doing is throwing slogans and prejudices around. You might have good reason to be angry, but stereotyping and damning people does not win the day.
            God says through the prophet Isaiah, “Come let us reason together…”
            Just shouting your mouth off will achieve nothing. Explain where you’re coming from and what your gripe is first. People will listen and respond better.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you didnt deal with the issue, Netanyahu said that 9/11 was VERY GOOD for Israel

          • dannybhoy
          • dannybhoy

            I did. It was in that newspaper article I quoted somewhere here..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            pull its is lingo for controlled demolition and indeed thats what happened. your arguments hold about as much water as a colander

          • Anton

            That is one meaning, indeed. Another meaning is to withdraw. Are you seriously suggesting that Silberstein AND THE NEW YORK FIRE BRIGADE pulled WTC7 down?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            yes the building cannot have collapsed at near freefall into the path of most resistance for any other reason

          • Anton

            It collapsed slower than freefall, as explain on the link I put up and offered to explain, and it fell vertically because there was no lateral momentum.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            first few seconds were actual freefall that was even admitted by US cover up team- impossible except withj a controlled demo

          • Anton

            Please explain how a controlled demolition would cause collapse faster or no slower than by gravity.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            buildings can ONLY collpapse at the speeds shown if they were broughtd own deliberately, that means total US and Zionist involvement

          • Anton

            How would a controlled demolition cause collapse faster than or no slower than by gravity?

          • IanCad

            Rather you than me Anton ,when it comes to dealing with irrational conspiracy theorists. Came across another one a short while ago, postulating that the Jesuits had a hand in the sinking of the Titanic.

          • Anton

            Sounds like a great laugh!

          • dannybhoy

            Ooops! and out squirts the poison..
            You’re an unemployed aryan supremacist, ain’tcha..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            ooh prejudice against the jobless , I will report you for hate crimes

          • dannybhoy

            :0)

          • Jabba Trophynol

            put up some evidence of there being some bloke up in the sky who made the earth in 6 days

          • Anton

            He’s not only in the sky, and he made the earth in six YOM, which has the same ambiguity in the original Hebrew as does “day” in English, ie “the day of steam power is over”.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            some transgender in the sky

          • ramon

            Here a nice list of Zio owned media : http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewish-companies-control-96-of-the-worlds-media/
            also social media is under their control btw.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            yes Danny thinks Farcebook , Google etc are owned by Muslims , what a mark, lets sell him some ocean front property in Switzerland shall we?

          • Jabba Trophynol

            show me somewhere in MSM that condemns israels genocide of the palestinians

          • Anton

            Show me the genocide!

            BBC takes a pro-palestinian stance.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            rubbish, is this the same BBC that had Danny Cohen as a controlleer or employed Zionist campaigner Jimmy Savile? you talk shite

          • Anton

            People resort to insult when they run out of argument.

            An organisation employs a Jew and you call it a zionist organisation!

          • StopZionistCensorship

            employs a Jew , hahah a, Danny Cohen was CONTROLLER , he sacked Clarkson using a faked event and complained about the name of Clarksons dog

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Israelis are assisting Muslims with relocating to Europe? I suppose you require me to find you the link?

          • Anton

            Given your inability to argue logically, it would be nice.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            a research scientist who doesnt know how to do a simple search , pathetic

          • Anton

            I know alright. But you seem to want ME to do YOUR research. No.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            i have already shown you to be wrong on multiple occasions , you lack basic research skills

          • Anton

            I’m content to let readers here judge between us for themselves.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you are content to let me be judged by your Zionist cohorts are you? very fair of you

          • Anton

            Nobody else but readers of this blog are in a position to judge, of course!

          • StopZionistCensorship

            this is not a Christian blog at all but a den of Zionist iniquity and satanism

          • Anton

            If you think that, you are free to leave.

          • StopZionistCensorship
          • StopZionistCensorship

            Israelis assisting people smuggling

          • dannybhoy

            I don’t agree with open borders. I want stricter controls on who comes in and the power to deport those who prove to be enemies of our country. But I also know from personal experience that many British Jews are patriotic and fought for our country. Yes they have their rogues as we do, but the Jewish community has made great contributions to the UK and afaIac are a great asset to us. We need to stand with them.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            lining their own pockets is not a contribution

          • dannybhoy

            All minority groups in the UK seek a better life, just as we all do. If they have skills and talents to contribute, are loyal citizens and abide by our laws then they are welcome.
            You do realise that minority communities send money to their families back where they came from? What is wrong with that? As long as they pay their taxes and dues here what they do with their disposable income is up to them.
            Unless it leads to them breaking the law.
            Jewish people have experienced persecution through two millenia. Even here in the UK, but the vast majority of British Jews are a great asset to our nation.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            its a drain on the balance of payments, billions are sent out each year to build housing for Poles and Romanians etc. Is Sir Philp Green a great asset , or Chloe Green ? or Sir Grevilel Janner? or Lord Brittan, ? sorry but i must disagree with you

          • dannybhoy

            But you have to accept that we went into the Common Market and stayed on for the EU.
            I was okay about the EEC, a trading bloc, but not the EU. I wanted out from the start. I was not in favour of multiculturalism but it has happened.
            So we can hardly blame anyone who legally enters our country to get employment or perhaps state benefits. After all WE the British people allowed it all to happen. If we want to get upset it should be with our politicians and our political system that to my mind no longer fairly and accurately represents the concerns of the British people.
            As for your examples of Jewish ‘bad people’, well we have plenty of bad, exploitative non Jewish people too. Loads of them in fact.
            What we should be doing is insisting that British laws will be upheld and the consequences of breaching those laws fully enforced.

        • dannybhoy

          You are talking absolute garbage and will get short shrift on this site..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            why is this a Zionist site? are you all lovers of Soros, Greville Janner and the Rothschilds?

          • dannybhoy

            Duhhhh.
            I didn’t say it was a Zionist site did I? It’s a wonderful spread of Christian views with a few valued Jewish contributors, and a couple of yappy atheistic mongrels who can’t find a welcome elsewhere..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            oy vey

          • Jabba Trophynol

            oh, that makes sense, i typed into google, website for morons who buy plastic fast food philosophies

          • Anton

            Great logical argument there Jabba.

          • Jabba Trophynol

            will he now, i think he is talking a lot of sense

          • dannybhoy

            With a name like ‘Jabba’ that doesn’t surprise me.
            Bet you like pizza too..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            do you like Bagels by any chance?

          • dannybhoy

            Not much. Gefilte fish doesn’t float my boat either. Nor matzos. But what’s that got to do with liking and supporting the Jewish people?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Jimmy Savile was a noted Zionist , just like you are

          • dannybhoy

            Noted?
            Not me guv.
            Anton describes himself as a Zionist, but even after having lived and worked in Israel for five years, I remain a Christian admirer, respecter and supporter of Israel rather than a Zionist…

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Tel Aviv is a great place for gays apparently

          • dannybhoy

            So I understand. That gay pride life style hadn’t really got going when I was there in the ’80s. They were a bit behind the Brits..
            I am of the generation that was happier with the ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell” approach.
            Never was a fan of the bullying/blackmailing lobby either.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            see videos on gay life in the holy land, they have turned it into a gay brotherl

          • Yes, go to Dizengof street. You could have asked discretely earlier, instead of playing coy and dragging out this charade. 😉

            Oh, sorry, forgot to include my big nose…;–o)

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you know a lot about it, Israelis are well knwon for their transexual proclivities and for their use of Christian sites for gay bars ( you are a frequenter no doubt)

          • Hmm. Would be easier hanging out with guys; fewer headaches and eardrums would have a chance to heal without ladies around. And cheaper, definitely cheaper.

            You’re becoming well known for a being a full-blown, flaming retard here, btw, but that’s good; we do need a baseline, a mark the on the spot we shouldn’t wade into even with galoshes on.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            look on YouTube for dozens of videos of Israelis attacking Christians

          • dannybhoy

            There are lots of Jews becoming Messianic jews i.e. Jews who accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour too.
            If I was jewish and had lost family in the Holocaust, I don’t think I would be very kindly disposed towards Christians in a Jewish nation either.
            Would you?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            holocaustianity

          • dannybhoy

            You actually and in all seriousness approved of the Holocaust??

          • StopZionistCensorship

            holocaust r story is a myth designed to give Zionists credibility , its just not true regardless of your brainwashing

          • Anton
          • They approve of the Holocaust they don’t believe in. Makes sense. Must be the Hegelian dialectics he casually mentioned.

          • Anton

            What’s the difference?

          • dannybhoy

            There isn’t essentially. It’s just not a label I’ve ever applied to myself. In part I think because human beings love to stereotype -as our two visitors have so graphically illustrated; and I don’t want to be pigeon holed like that. I prefer to get talking to a person first.
            I’m not saying you’re wrong Anton, it’s just a different approach.

    • Have you any proof that Lidl are deliberately stirring up the hatred for Muslims?
      Lidl have a branch in Santorini, I bet this isn’t going down too well there with the Christians.
      Are the Schwarz Grp Jewish then?

      • StopZionistCensorship

        all big business is pro Israel . In particualr Germany gives Israel billions each year so they can develop their Nuclear programme including submarines with which they have threatened Europe , see the Sampson option. Sadly this thread has revealed a number of extremist Israel Firsters who fail to see the links between Europe being flooded with Muslims and the pro immigration Zionist lobby who bring them here

      • StopZionistCensorship

        its teh Hegelian dialectic , the agenda is not what it seems , Lidl must jhave known that their falsifications would result in a blame the Muslims reaction. the blame is with Lidl and their Kraut leadershiip

    • Manfarang

      In the US the churches are full of Christian Zionists.

      • StopZionistCensorship

        a fact lost on some of the morons posting pro Zionist drivel here , Many of whom are linked to anti Muslim channels while bleating on about antio semitism

        • dannybhoy

          More garbage..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            no i checked they sub anti Muslim sites , are you a fan of taxi driver Pat Condell?

          • Anton

            When he talks about Islam and PC politicians, Yes; when he misunderstands Christianity, no.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            your anti semitic then , Arabs are semitic ,by the way would you describe yourself as an ‘esteemed friend of Israel’?

          • Anton

            Islam is a belief system, not a racial system.

            Arabs claim descent from Shem via Abraham and Abraham’s illegitimate son Ishmael, so Yes, they are Shemites (Semites). This is why I avoid the term “semitic”. YOU brought the term in. I counsel you in the words of Alexander Pope:

            A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
            Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring

          • dannybhoy

            That was a show stopper!

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you can counsel as much as you like , everybody who opposes Zionism is accvused of anti semitism , do not use the wisdom of others to cover your own profound ignorance , Zionism is a Christian hating terroristic cult committed to the destruction of Western Civilisation , they describe Christian women as prostitutes ( shiksas) you are a criminal

          • Anton

            I don;’t mind what you think of me.

          • dannybhoy

            Shiksa doesn’t actually mean prostitute, it means an attractive desirable gentile woman and therefore taboo, but was applied in a derogatory way.
            The yiddish word for prostitute is ‘zonah’, the same as in modern Hebrew where one might be call a ‘ben zonah’, a son of a prostitute..

          • dannybhoy

            I agree with much of what he has to say, but he is anti Christian/anti faith, so I don’t go along with everything.

      • StopZionistCensorship

        ok i see you approve of that , Christian Zionism is an oxymoron, Chuck Hagee is a gredy crook who makes a fortune from sucking up to AIPAC

        • Anton

          He’s John Hagee, not Chuck, and he once said that Jews don’t need faith to be saved but that they have another way. He speaks nonsense.

          Your way of arguing seems to be this: “You are a Christian zionist. John Hagee is a Christian zionist. John Hagee talks nonsense. Therefore you are talking nonsense.”

          Can you see the false logic there? Hagee is not the only one who is talking nonsense.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            ok John then, my mistake, my arguments are sound , The British government gave Palestine to European ‘ Jews’ who are not even semitic and had no links whatsoever to that area . a similar thing is happening now as waves of immigrants take over the UK with strong ‘ Jewish ‘ support . Britains Jewish community are largely pro immigration

          • Anton

            Not the Jews I know.

            The Khazar theory again? Yawn…

          • StopZionistCensorship

            yawn yawn yawn

            Jews were very supportive of teh Remain campaign as a simple search will show , you are obviouly a remainer who loves jo Cox the MI5 agent involved in the pro EU psyop

          • Anton

            I voted Brexit.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Britains Jews opposed Brexit

          • dannybhoy

            No, some did some didn’t.

          • StopZionistCensorship
          • dannybhoy

            But so did a great many British citizens. Why single out British Jews? There are Jewish communities all over the world, why wouldn’t they communicate with each other and do business with each other? There is nothing to stop non Jewish Brits from going into business etc. Indeed we used to have a strong industrial and commercial base, but we frittered it all away…

          • StopZionistCensorship

            your wrong again , your good at being wrong arent you Danny

          • dannybhoy

            It’s ‘you’re’, not ‘your’.
            I would ask you to explain why I am wrong, but I sense you are too angry to give me a rational reply. You think you have a point to make but a lot of us here have been around the block a few times and we know what we believe and why.

          • CliveM

            DB ignore him. I suspect he’s in the manic phase of a break down. He has discredited himself on every post he’s made, nothIng more needs to be said.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            grammar police , BS , you have been round the block like the Zionist dog you are

          • dannybhoy

            I voted Brexit and was a UKIP activist.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            UKIP are fakers , imy youtube channel dedicated to getting Britain out of EU was REMOVED shortly after the referendum result . unlike you I am serious about anti globalisation , support for Zionism is support for the EU , you cant sincerely support both Zionism AND Brexit

          • Anton

            Watch me!

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Jews voted heavily with Muslims to stay in EU as did SNP and IRA , you keep idd friends

          • Anton

            Not the Jews I know.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            ok not the Jews you know ( all 3 of them) but Jews as a population group, whats more many Britosh Jews applied for German passports after the Brexzit voted and accused Brexit supportes of being Nazis

          • dannybhoy

            You mean this…
            “Hundreds of British Jews and their descendants who were stripped of German citizenship by the Nazis have inquired about obtaining German passports in the wake of Britain’s vote for Brexit, figures from the German embassy in London have shown.”

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/16/british-jews-seek-german-citizenship-after-on-brexit-fears/
            And how many actually went?
            And anyway if you were an immigrant here with no other aim but to earn a decent living and provide for your family, why wouldn’t you consider leaving if you felt ypur future was in danger?

          • dannybhoy

            Idd friends?
            I am first, foremost and gratefully a born again Christian, a member of God’s family made up of believers from all over the world, from every culture every religious background, bound together by our faith in Christ Jesus.
            Secondly I am an Englishman from many generations back. I love my country and I’m grateful for all that she has given me, and I’d be willing to fight for her.
            I have political views that can and do upset friends, family and foes, but which I still stand by as worth defending.

          • Sybaseguru

            Actually the Jews were there from around 1400BC and as Mo wasn’t around until 600AD thats a clear 2000 years of Jewish settlement. Even after several tries to set up a caliphate the Jews were the majority for most of the time. My g-g-grandfather visited around 1840 as there was still a significant presence of Jews even in Jerusalem. All the British did was to try to stop the two sides fighting – not very successfully as they wanted the British out so they could kill each other.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you ignore the substantial Palestinian Christian population , the issue is NOT about Islam either its about palestinian national identity , your using sophistry

          • dannybhoy

            No, he’s using history and biblical history which clearly states that God gave the land of Canaan to His chosen people the Israelites.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            who is God? where is your proof, a book written by humans?

          • dannybhoy

            By that logic you would end up rejecting all history, even that which supports your own bigoted viewpoint.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            your viewpoint is bigoted as you see events through a Zionist ( mass media) prism , you are a bigot

          • dannybhoy

            You must have studied history at school? Unless you’re really young and went to ‘skool’.
            How old are you?

          • StopZionistCensorship

            56 and you?

          • dannybhoy

            71.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            oh well not long now , early onset alzheimers

          • dannybhoy

            Poor chap.
            You should consult your doctor..

          • StopZionistCensorship

            no its you who is ill , anyway doctors are too busy treating immigrants to see me

          • CliveM

            Now don’t tell me, you can trace you ancestry all the way back to Boadicea. Snort……

          • StopZionistCensorship

            you can trace your ancestry back to your father

          • CliveM

            Arghh, must resist temptation………………

          • Anton

            I know what you’re thinking…

          • CliveM

            Anton

            I’m a sinful man.

          • dannybhoy

            Oh!

            You meant me, that I had the beginnings of Alzheimer’s!!
            Oh, I get it now.
            (Actually I thought perhaps you and Pizza the Hutt had rolled your banners up and gorn ‘ome.)

            I hope you do get to see a doctor though. I know how painful haemorrhoids can be.
            Well, it’s been quite interesting reading your rants, misconceptions, prejudices and propaganda. I just don’t think this is the website for you and your views. We Christians can be pretty boring if you don’t share our faith, and you don’t seem inclined to engage sensibly, so take care and perhaps pop in next year…..

          • Hey, wait a minute DB, I don’t share your faith and I’m barrel-full of fun and a fountain of trivia!

          • Maxine Schell

            Yeah……human Jews.

          • Anton

            There was no Palestinian Arab identity before the British Mandate; the local Arabs considered themselves Syrian.

          • Sybaseguru

            No, it is about Islam. The Christians can rub along with the Jews quite happily, did do and still do most of the time. Islam wants to wipe the Jews out, hence the trouble. BTW – its called logic not sophistry.

          • Anton

            What you say is true today, but the Jews of Palestine generally fared less badly when the Holy Land was under Islam than when it was under the Byzantines.

          • Manfarang

            They number 6–7% of the 12 million Palestinians.

          • Brian

            Anglican missions to the Jews in the Holy Land were active in the 1840s, a time that say the establishment of the Jerusalem bishopric, with Michael Solomon, a converted Jew, as the first bishop. The Jewish quarter of Jerusalem goes back a long, long way; although there was an expulsion of Jews from Jerusalem in c. AD 132, following the Bar Kochba revolt. I don’t know when they returned to the city. Jerusalem was a largely Christian city in the Byzantine Empire (and the seat of a Patriarchate) and would have continued that way for some time after the Persian invasion in 616, then the Arabs a few decades later. The travel journey of Egeria tells us a bit about the city in the late 4th century. It remained the goal of pilgrimage for centuries until the Turks started attacking pilgrims in the 11th century, thus sparking the First Crusade.

  • Manfarang

    Meanwhile closer to home
    Amazing Grace
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/row-after-belfasts-atheist-mayor-skips-prayers-before-dinner-at-installation-36096373.html
    Of course NI is the part of the UK with the greatest separation of church and state.

  • Manfarang

    John Pearson, Bishop of Chester (c. 1660) wrote in his commentary on the Apostles’ Creed that the Greek word stauros originally signified “a straight standing Stake, Pale, or Palisador”.
    There you go pubcrawler!

    • IrishNeanderthal

      Kojak calls for his assistants: “Dinos! Stavros!”

      A large reptilian head appears through the doorway.

      • Manfarang

        The ancient Greek, Latin and Hebrew literature from Homer to the first century AD describe an arsenal of suspension punishments but none mention “crosses” or “crucifixion.”

        • Pubcrawler

          Again, so what? Oh, and Catullus.

    • Pubcrawler

      So what? I see you haven’t quoted the entire paragraph from Wikipedia. It continues as follows:

      but that, “when other transverse or prominent parts were added in a
      perfect Cross, it retained still the Original Name”, and he declared:
      “The Form then of the Cross on which our Saviour suffered was not a
      simple, but a compounded, Figure, according to the Custom of the Romans,
      by whose Procurator he was condemned to die. In which there was not
      only a straight and erected piece of Wood fixed in the Earth, but also a
      transverse Beam fastned unto that towards the top thereof”.

      • CliveM

        Personally I was confused as to the point he was making. I know understand better, but am at a loss as to why!

        • Pubcrawler

          “confused as to the point he was making”

          That’s generally the case with his comments, I find. I think he’s trying to be gnomic or something. Best left on the whole, but as I was addressed personally…

        • Manfarang

          Don’t be rood.

  • Linus

    Long live Lidl!

    • StopZionistCensorship

      Lidl are an EU company that used brexit as an excuse to raise prices .I will be doing a LOT less shopping in Lidl in future as indeed will many others

      • Linus

        Of course you will. Your pound is worth a lot less now so it doesn’t buy you nearly as much as it used to.

        You’ll be doing less shopping in Lidl, Waitrose, Asda, Sainsburys and every other shop in Britain too. Your money doesn’t stretch as far as it used to, so that means less shopping for everyone in Britain.

        • Anton

          Only in regard to foreign goods. And our economy may well thrive out of the EU to make up for that. Meanwhile, France tries desperately to hold the German and the Mediterranean economies together in a tension that has reduced slightly in recent months but will still ultimately prove terminal for the Eurocurrency. Unlike your prognostications which are based mainly on attempts to wind people up, mine are based on reason: economic without fiscal union is ultimately impossible, and fiscal union isn’t going to happen.

          • Linus

            Economic union without fiscal union is entirely possible. The proof? We’ve been in such a union for nearly 20 years and it’s still going strong.

            I agree that fiscal union would make it even stronger, and that’s the direction we’re moving in, but it will take time to get there. The EU is a union of nation states, each with its own history and customs. It takes time to harmonize them, but that is what will happen. Probably rather more quickly now the most uncooperative and contrary member state is leaving.

            The EU will survive. And it will remember how Britain tried to sabotage and undermine it. We’ve never liked you because of your selfish, proud and insular ways. Now at least we won’t have to pretend to get on with you. You’re a rival state now. A competitor and economic opponent. You’re on your own, sink or swim. Don’t expect any help from Europe when it all goes belly up.

          • Anton

            Don’t expect a third dose of help from Britain when Continental politics go belly up.

            Economic union without fiscal union is entirely possible. The proof? We’ve been in such a union for nearly 20 years and it’s still going strong.

            Going strong? Have you looked at the unemployment rates in Greece and Spain recently? You call that strong? It is a recipe for demagogues of the extreme left or right to take power in a few years, something that is not unusual in those countries.

            The eurocurrency has survived to date because its constituent economies were geared to each other at the prevailing exchange rates, but economies develop differently and the exchange rates today would be very different. THAT is the growing strain that will eventually bring the Euro down as the Germans decline to accept the debt of the Mediterraneans.

          • Linus

            Have you seen the British unemployment rate? The true one, I mean. The one where zero-hours contracts and government-subsidised workers are not included in the employment figures.

            Greece and Spain don’t look so badly off when you look at the real British employment figures. Almost all growth has been in extremely low wage jobs with no security where people don’t know how much they’ll earn, if anything, from month to month. Britain’s “prosperity” is based on expendable labour where people are a resource to be consumed and discarded as company profits require. Keeping workers in poverty is part of the deal.

            If that’s your long term recipe for economic success and social stability, good luck to you. Now you have no foreign markets to sell your products into, let’s see how long it lasts before a Labour government is elected and Comrade Corbyn shows you exactly what demagoguery is all about.

          • Anton

            QE is lousy in the USA, lousy in the eurozone, lousy in the UK. But there is no doubt which of the latter two has better economic health. Let’s see how Macron gets by with his flagship reforms of the wonderfully flexible French labour market, shall we?

        • StopZionistCensorship

          says the pro EU Propaganda chief , Brexit is best fior Britain and what we want , you must respect the decision

          • Linus

            Brexit is a disaster for Britain, but as I’m no more than nominally British and I don’t live in Britain, I don’t care what happens to you, so if you want to leave the EU, please feel free. The rest of us will breathe a sigh of relief when you’re gone. Finally, the ASBO neighbours are moving on!

          • Anton

            Why then is the EU trying to get a severance fee out of the UK that is written into no treaty? This shows that the EU is fundamentally malign creation. We are therefore better out of it,better with our English common law system, and better making the rest of our laws in Westminster by elected MPs not Brussels by unelected bureaucrats.

            The most important arguments are not economic ones. There are economic arguments either way and you can’t know. What I do notice is that you are happy to see us go and we are happy to go, so what does it say that you are still sour?

          • Linus

            Any divorcing couple has to divide up both the assets accumulated and the debts incurred during the marriage.

            What you want to do though is walk away Scot free. You want to leave us with all the debts and obligations.

            It isn’t going to happen. If you don’t pay up, there’ll be no Brexit deal and punitive tariffs will be imposed on all British imports into the EU. In effect it will be a trade war and Britain cannot stand alone for long.

            The Americans won’t rescue you this time because they have their own problems to sort out and they have no quarrel with us.

            Britain talks big but always caves in the end. At the start of the Brexit negotiations you caved when M. Barnier refused to negotiate a Brexit deal before your exit costs were settled. You’ll end up paying your share. You have no other choice.

          • Anton

            If we crumble it will have been because our leaders aren’t up to it. The EU is bluffing and so are you.

          • Linus

            Davis will fold before Barnier does. He already has regarding the order of the Brexit talks and has shown the UK position to be both confused and run by a pack of amateurs.

            The EU position is clear. If the UK wants to negotiate a trading deal with us, it has to agree to pay its share of outstanding debt before those negotiations begin. And if it wants access to the Single Market, it has to respect the 4 basic EU freedoms, align its law with ours and pay its share of any costs incurred in the administration of that Single Market.

            If you won’t abide by the rules, you can’t play the game. And if you try to jump ship without paying your share of the debts we incurred as a group, a tariff wall will go up between you and us and British products will disappear entirely from Europe.

            It’s a simple enough position and hasn’t been modified in the slightest since the very beginning of the Brexit process. That’s the deal: take it or leave it. There’ll be no other.

          • Anton

            And you know this how?

            At present we are dealing with little Hitlers in Brussels. Provided we keep our nerve then, perhaps very late in the day, European businesses will give them their orders and a sensible negotiation will take place.

          • Linus

            You hold on to that fond thought while you can. It should already be clear that the EU isn’t going to back down on this, but of course as a master in the art of self-delusion, you won’t believe that until the very last day of Britain’s membership.

            Like Anne Boleyn, you’ll hope until the very last moment that a reprieve will come and save you, but in your heart of hearts, I think you know you’re a condemned man. Bravado just won’t let you admit it.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            Brexit is great news and as you are not British and dont live in Britain you can get stuffed

          • Linus

            I am British, although I don’t live in Britain. But I am still a British citizen, even if it’s merely an accident of history and my real nationality is French.

            Nonetheless, I have lived in Britain within the past 15 years, I can still vote in British elections, so my vote will cancel out yours.

            There you go. Now you can go and get stuffed. You’ve been disenfranchised by a bloody Frog. And there isn’t a thing you can do about it.

  • StopZionistCensorship

    by the way my handle is because I had 4000 videos removed by YouTube , a Zionist and Jewish owned outfit that promotes the EU. LGBTQ and George Soros

    • That is a great shame, but could you please stop posting links to random videos on this site? The post is concerned with Lidl and secularity; not the Zionist conspiracy to control all media, take over global finance and rule the world. Bless you.

      • Demon Teddy Bear

        Can you get a loyalty card if you join the Zionist conspiracy? 🙂

        • StopZionistCensorship

          hahaha you are as funny as Sir Greville janner your hero

      • StopZionistCensorship

        some people may be interested in the truth , you obviously are not as a self hating Goyim , by the way tehy reason Nazi Lidl removed the cross was to incite Islamophobia as they are getting blamed for this German decision

        • Hi

          What about the lizards and the greys? Where do they fit into this truth? I know the Martians are pro Israel.

          • dannybhoy

            Careful Hannah,
            Goys fight. Go get some popcorn and enjoy..

          • Hi

            ‘Where do you come from? What is your country? And of what people are you?” “I am a Hebrew,”[a Jew] he replied. “I worship the L-rd, the G-d of heaven, who made the sea and the dry land.” ‘ Jonah 1:9

          • dannybhoy

            You didn’t think I was throwing you out of the boat Hannale or excluding you? I know you can fight your own corner but I didn’t want you attacked or insulted is all.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            ha ha ha

        • Anton

          Goyim is a plural. You can’t even get your insults right.

          • StopZionistCensorship

            as a staunch Zionist extremist I defer to your in depth knowledge of Israeli abusive terminology

          • betteroffoutofit

            It’s quite funny when he gets them really wrong though! His next insult misplaces his modifier by juxtaposing it with “I” — with the result that he identifies himself “as a staunch Zionist extremist” :).

          • Pubcrawler

            Yes, the hanging clause. A sure sign of illiteracy. In this case a particularly comical example.

            Why is anyone bothering to engage with this dolt?

          • Cheap thrills.

          • Pubcrawler

            Get it while you can.

          • CliveM

            I was bored.

          • dannybhoy

            Lol!

          • That’s rather authoritarian-patriarchal of you, Anton. His Grace is free to self-identify as a multitude of Goyim if he so wishes.

  • StopZionistCensorship

    i think Linus is a costcutters man

  • StopZionistCensorship
    • Jonathan

      Another day, another blocking. Bye bye.

      • ramon

        Love the passion with which you support Freedom of Speech, thank God for folks like you….

        • Pubcrawler

          Silly! Your freedom of speech remains unimpaired. Jonathan is merely asserting his right not to have his time wasted.

          Here it is in cartoon form:

          https://xkcd.com/1357/

      • StopZionistCensorship

        oy vey

  • len

    Satan hates the Cross of Jesus Christ because it stands as a constant reminder of Satan’s greatest defeat.
    The Cross is an offence to many as it touches something within the soul of man that they either face or run away from.

  • StopZionistCensorship

    ironically the UK CEO of this obnoxious German company is called CHRISTIAN HARTNAGEL

  • StopZionistCensorship

    Thessaloniki, Greece — What’s a nice Jewish girl doing working
    with Muslim refugees in an overwhelmingly Christian country? As the
    North Greece Head of Mission for IsraAID, Liat Rennert has been running
    the Israeli NGO’s operations out of Thessaloniki for the past three
    months.

    In Greece, secular, faith-based and interfaith groups have set aside
    their differences and joined forces to meet the basic needs of refugees.
    But Israelis and Jews, because of their history and ethics, can often
    add a dimension to their relief work—an acute understanding of the
    challenges migrants face. Many Jews working in aid organizations feel
    that centuries of persecution mean they can empathize with the hopeless
    and the desperate, and can serve as living examples of what can be
    achieved when the global community comes together to support those in
    need.

    And showing a compassionate face to the world may also help boost
    Israel’s beleaguered public image in the world community, say
    international affairs experts.

  • Richie P

    They’ve also airbrushed corned beef from their alleged corned beef pasties as well. Two out of three in a packet I got from there last week had absolutely NOTHING in them at all. Probably halal like that though.

  • Linus

    Tch! Our housekeeper does the weekly shop and to be perfectly frank with you, I have no idea where.

    I did once pop into a Waitrose however, when we were living in London and our housekeeper was in bed with a bilious attack brought on by warm beer, deep-fried fish and a bizarre grey/green substance she referred to as “mouchy pisse”. (???) We’d run out of biscuits for tea, so we left her to wallow in the consequences of her own folly and ventured out to see what we could find.

    We were not impressed with Waitrose. Everything was so … complicated! All we wanted was a pack of plain gingernuts (one of the only fond memories from my English schooldays) to go with afternoon tea, but do you think we could find any?

    There were Belgian chocolate-covered gingernuts (Belgian chocolate … I mean, really, there ought to be a law against such abominations!), and organic oat and kale gingernuts (ew!), and gingernuts made from rare Sumatran blue ginger, which contains a deadly poison that can only be neutralised by passing through the digestive tract of the elusive Bolivian water ocelot. We were tempted by these, but on reflection (the Bolivian water ocelot being even more elusive in Sumatra than it is in its native land) we decided not to risk it. And at £375.99 for a pack of six, they were hardly an economical choice.

    So on we ploughed through the shelves. There were goji berry gingernuts (ew again!) and gluten-free diet gingernuts with no ginger, sugar, flour, treacle or anything else that makes a gingernut a gingernut (I mean, what is the point?) And finally there were Duchy Original gingernuts wrapped in 24 carat gold leaf, set round with real (false) diamonds and personally baked (mon oeil !) by the prince of Wails himself. A snip at £10,000 a piece.

    We were spoiled for choice. But we still left the store empty-handed, for of common, garden gingernuts (which were what we wanted), there were none. The shelf-stacker I cornered with an enquiry as to where the less elaborate biscuits were kept looked at me blankly and said “This is it, guv. If yer want sumpfink cheaper like, Lidl’s juss rand da corner.”

    We ended up going out for tea. Harvey Nicks does a nice Earl Grey with a passable attempt at a gâteau basque. Not a gingernut, of course. But beggars can’t be choosers.

    Luckily our housekeeper was back on her feet the following day and, after listening sympathetically to our tale of gingernut woe, she baked us a batch, so we were never forced to go to Lidl and find out how the other 98.7% live.

    But still, if they’re happy to censor all mention of Pixtianity, they have my support. I won’t be venturing inside one of their shops any time soon, but it’s heartening to know that the masses who do are being protected from Pixtian propaganda.

    • Anton

      Not a bad parody of Waitrose, actually!

      • Linus

        Parody? I’m deadly serious. Have you ever been into the Belgravia Waitrose? There’s nothing plain to be had and if they can put gold leaf on it, they will. Even their sandwich selection is ridiculously sumptuous.

        You want egg and cress? Well, as long as the eggs come from organic Siberian phoenixes and the cress is purple, paleolithic and harvested by hand halfway up an Ande by Incan maidens rescued from the sex trade and funding their enterprise by means of an organic, vegan, homespun micro-loan, you’re in luck. Otherwise there’s a Lidl just down the road in Pimlico, if you’re willing to risk social suicide by being seen in that part of town.

        Waitrose is a microcosm of all that is wrong with British ideas about food. Plain is bad. Unnecessarily complicated is good, and the more rare, exotic and expensive the ingredient (regardless of whether it has any flavour because apparently that doesn’t matter to the anaesthetised British palate), the better your meal MUST be.

        Only it never is.

        Ah well, when Brexit has eroded the value of your currency to centimes in the euro and you’re living off what can be grown in the dank and muddy British countryside, perhaps then you’ll realise that simple food is the best kind, even if a constant diet of cheddar, turnip and any other medieval root vegetable that can survive in your claggy soil starts to pall after a while.

        Then I suppose I’ll be treated to even more gormless British tourists having hysterical orgasms on the terrace of my local bistrot as they tuck into a simple omelette. “But it’s just eggs!” they’ll shriek. “Where is the Bhutanese saffron? Where’s the steamed coelacanth? The roasted ocelot’s nose? The anti-oxidant açai berries? How can it taste so good when there’s NOTHING in it???”

        How indeed? If you’re looking for one reason why your country is the risé of Europe and will be so much better off sulking in its corner where the other countries can’t laugh at it, look no further.

        • Anton

          Just stick to taking the mickey out of supermarkets. Taking it out of countries is out of your league.

          • Linus

            That’s right, when stumped for an answer, resort to the classic Pixtian tactic of contemptuous and judgmental ad hominem insults.

          • Anton

            Says the sexular humanist.

        • LOL! Now, that’s a good riff, Linus! Eggs from organic Siberian phoenixes….

  • What I’m surprised at, Your Grace, is that as a Photoshop aficionado and practitioner you didn’t criticize the nub the retouching guy left at the top. Yes, it would have been hard to trace a neat circle over it with the stamp tool (which he clumsily used to obscure the cross), but I would have selected a section of the cupola’s edge with a bit of the sea, rotated, moved and positioned it over the top and then blended the edges to the cupola and the sea by fuzzing them up with the eraser tool at 40%.

    • dannybhoy

      Showoff.

      • Pah! Merely a two-minute solution any novice can work out.

        • dannybhoy

          And here we see a young Avi Barzel tearing into his agent..
          (from 3:00 onwards)

          • Hahahaha! Good find! Classic Pollack and Hoffman at their best!

          • dannybhoy

            We have watched that film so many times! Some great acting in there. I loved the way Dustin bristles and works his shoulders when his professional acting ability is questioned.

  • Anton Skafi

    Probably Lidl has removed the cross to amuse the cross haters, worrying for their feelings. But these people don’t eat or touch pork as well, is the Lidl going to stop selling pork? No, of course they will not because it will hurt their pockets. it is bad to hurt their pockets but OK to hurt the feelings of millions of their Christian customers. Maybe we should boycott the the lidl, not only in the UK but in all countries where there are lidl branches because the lidl did not remove the cross only in the uk, but in all other countries.

  • dannybhoy

    Have they gone?

    • CliveM

      Not really, but less all encompassing.

      • dannybhoy

        Folk like Jabba and SZC don’t stay long. They need the fix of a violent reaction to keep them fired up…

        • betteroffoutofit

          Deo Gratias.

    • Orel lmmanuel Goldmann

      Has who gone???

      • dannybhoy

        This bloke ‘StopZionistCensorship’ and this bloke, Jabba Trophynol

  • dannybhoy

    I was worried that we might be overrun by the forces of bigotry and hatred.
    And then I thought, at a time like this…
    “Who you gonna call?”

    • CliveM

      Hmmm……………………

      Anyway he appears to be back. Strangely he doesn’t seem to see the irony of him complaining about immigrants!

      • dannybhoy

        I have to say Clive, that there were times when I felt you were being overly provocative and downright aggressive. Personally I felt gentle restraint and diplomacy was called for.

    • Orel lmmanuel Goldmann

      What on earth are you talking about?Lindal? .

      • dannybhoy

        You need to read the intro. It’s Lidls btw.

  • IrishNeanderthal

    This morning a certain tune came to mind:

    “Who do you think you are kidding Mister Lidl,
    When you say it’s not intention-al?”

  • dannybhoy

    Good news folks, I heard on Premier Christian radio this morning that in response to complaints Lidls is to correct ‘mistakes made’ and restore the crosses to the church on Santorini.
    I hope this will encourage us all to speak up and use all legitimate avenues open to us as citizens to stand up for the faith.
    Next target: get the government to impose conditions on our overseas aid programme to countries whose minorities (especially Christians) are being persecuted and abused.
    I welcome all thoughts, questions and potential problems on this issue.

  • dannybhoy

    Here’s the email I received from Lidl (UK) (obviously the German HQ forwarded it to them.)

    Re: Greek Products Packaging

    We are sincerely sorry for any offence caused by the artwork on our Eridanous product range and can confirm that we will be revising the packaging design as soon as possible.

    It has never been our intention and will never be to express any ideological or political standpoints with our products or product designs.

    We have been selling our highly popular Eridanous own-label range in Lidl stores across Europe for several years now and, in that time, the packaging has featured a number of different designs. It is clear that an error was made during the latest redesign of the artwork and we are addressing this as a priority.

    Thank you for your contact.

    Yours sincerely,

    For and on behalf of Lidl UK GmbH

    • Dreadnaught

      Well done that man.

      • dannybhoy

        Thanks Dreadders,
        Whatever the truth regarding the photoshopping, the point is that through public pressure they admit they were wrong. That’s all that matters.

  • Yeah, but he likes me more than you, so I’ll get away with it.

    • CliveM

      ☹️!

  • Christianity is a religion that is deeply symbolic. In the case in question, where crosses were intentionally—but partially—erased from their Greek products, Lidl failed to go far enough to satisfy their own statement that “… we avoid the use of religious symbols on our packaging …”

    If you look carefully, at least one of the churches is built in a cruciform shape. Lidl apparently does not understand Christian symbolism.

    Therefore, Christ still shines through in spite of Lidl’s Christophobia.

    This is not the first time in history where the intention of the perpetrator backfired. The cross itself was meant to rid Israel of Jesus forever … and look what happened.

    On the positive side, Lidl’s nonsensical blunder is clearly a step too far and should act as a wakeup call. Christians should now draw the line and resist—once and for all—all types of Christophobia.

    My advice to Lidl is to stick to their core business rather than dabble in things they seem to know little about and cause offence in the process.