Brighton school gender survey 2
Education

Gender identity and the plastic nature of self-definition

 

One school in Brighton (Brighton College) has decided to allow its students to decide for themselves whether they wish to dress as a boy or as a girl, irrespective of their natural (dare one say ‘God-given’?) biological designation. Gender identity is fluid. From reception to sixth form, students will be able to choose between wearing a traditional blazer, tie and trousers or skirt and bolero jacket. The school said it was “reacting to a changing society which recognises that some children have gender dysphoria and do not wish to lose their emotional gender identities at school”.

Headteacher Richard Cairns explains: “The college’s approach is different from most other schools that have tended to give transgender children personal leeway with uniform. Brighton College has instead decided to abolish the notion of boys’ and girl’ schools altogether,” he said. “It ties in with my strong personal belief that youngsters should be respected for who they are. If some boys and girls are happier identifying with a different gender from that in which they were born, then my job is to make sure that we accommodate that. My only interest as headmaster is their welfare and happiness.”

Another school in Brighton (Blatchingham Mill) has sent out a survey to its student population, asking them how they define their gender. In addition to the binary option of ‘girl’ and ‘boy’, children may opt to self-identify as ‘male’ or ‘female’ (isn’t that sex rather than gender?), ‘non-binary’, ‘demi-boy’ and ‘gender fluid’, whatever these terms might mean to your average hormonally-confused 13-year-old.

Headteacher Ashley Harrold said: “We’re incredibly passionate about ensuring that every student feels safe and welcome at our school. When it comes to gender identity it is a real and valid concern for a number of students. For us, anything that prevents students feeling happy, from feeling confident in themselves and from feeling accepted by their peers is something we feel the curriculum should address.”

It is interesting that both headteachers prioritise children’s self-identity as the radical route to happiness, as though the natural world were designed so that the personal fulfilment of subjective feelings must be the optimal expression of good. What must their RE lessons inculcate? That God’s goodness is contingent on His capacity to ensure our good? That His beneficence is contiguous with our happiness?

Of course, God loves His creation, and, of course, that includes (without exception) the spectrum of hormonal beings who, whether by nature or nurture, are ‘fluid’ in their sexuality, or ‘non-binary’ in their identity. But in these schools, God (and/or nature) seems to have become subordinate to ‘welfare’ and ‘happiness’, which is defined not in terms of any transcendental or altruistic pursuit, but in purely selfish terms of sexual self-identity. Happiness is not to be found in personal sacrifice, selflessness, moral virtue or seeking the beatific truths of God: it is found in the hedonistic attainment of personal pleasure and natural desire, which resides most supremely in contemplating and then realising the act of sexual union with whomever, whenever and however one pleases.

We might leave autonomous, mature adults to decide these ethical matters for themselves: it is not for the Christian to impose his conception of holiness or orthodox morality upon the unbelieving world. But schoolchildren? Are they not to be taught to distinguish left and right (moral neutrality) from right and wrong (moral responsibility)? If they are to be taught that God’s goodness and their happiness consists in the self-contained indulgence of assertions of gender self-identity, then we are not only ordering the natural world of biology to suit the political agenda of a tiny minority, but redefining what it means to be humanly fulfilled and ultimately ‘happy’.

The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath‘ (Mk 2:27). By the same repudiation of pharisaic orthodoxy, it follows that sex was made for man, and not man for expressions of sex. If boys may walk around in skirts, are they to be free to use the girls’ toilets? May they wear tampons in cyclical empathy? Are the girls free to play rugby with the boys? May they sing bass in the school choir in an assertion of testosterone-infused self-identity? Why limit the institutional accommodation to blazers, ties, trousers and skirts? Is not human nature deeper than hats and coats?

Look round our world; behold the chain of love
Combining all below and all above.
See plastic Nature working to this end,
The single atoms each to other tend,
Attract, attracted to, the next in place
Formed and impelled its neighbour to embrace.
(Alexander Pope, Essay on Man, Epistle III).

There is mutual attraction and a natural mesh to the Divine order: it is not perfect or without blemish, for nature is variegated, diverse, fallen and in conflict with itself. But when our striving for coherence is based upon the few imperfections, and when our longing for harmony is established upon the transient chaos of pubescent hormones liberated to stake their claim on fractured society, then does plastic nature, in the pursuit plastic bliss, supplant the God of nature for the gods of self-realisation, self-fulfulment, self-identity and self-righteous happiness. Thus does Man make God in his image: the deist orthodoxy is being established in and inculcated by the priestly guardians of education. God help those who favour the concord and beneficence of the old social order.

  • Has this school missed the obvious self-classification of feline (as reported here)!

    There’s male. There’s female. And there’s demonically derived delusion.

    • CliveM

      Think you forgot link? Oops now got it working. Blasted phone.

    • Dreadnaught

      Quite so. I’d be interested in her case when she can lick her own arse.

      • James60498 .

        Though surely what matters is whether she wants to be able to do it, and not whether she can.

        • Dreadnaught

          If she really believes she’s a cat she most certainly want to adopt the practice and with a bit of luck she will break her neck.

    • Uncle Brian

      She’d prove her point more convincingly by jumping out of (say) a sixth-floor window and landing safely on all fours.

  • “Happiness is not to be found in personal sacrifice, selflessness, moral virtue or seeking the beatific truths of God: it is found in the hedonistic attainment of personal pleasure and natural desire, which resides most supremely in contemplating and then realising the act of sexual union with whomever, whenever and however one pleases.”

    Spot on summary of the modern mind-set. Some construct in the way of our pleasure and our ‘self-fulfilment’ and ‘self-actualisation’? Just change it. If we want to self define as male or female what’s preventing this? Surely not restrictions from an imaginary sky fairy based on texts written by ancient goat herders. And we know there is no such thing as transcendent truth – just phenomena we perceive. Human classifications are socially constructed and can be changed.

  • Uncle Brian

    Question 13 in Your Grace’s illustration lists 22 different “genders” and explicitly recognises that there may be more, inviting respondents to tick the box marked “Others (please state)”.

    However many genders there may be, the fact remains that there are now, and always will be, only two sexes.

  • len

    When God created the World and all in it He laid down Laws in the natural and the Spiritual world. When man decided that he wanted to be a ‘god’ or’ as god’ man set about redefining Gods laws. This has resulted in ‘chaos’ and it is happening worldwide in the natural and the spiritual world. The apparent confusion about ‘gender’ amongst humanity is merely a symptom of the resultant chaos/confusion caused by man attempting to be God.

    • sarky

      Or we are just recognising and offering understanding and dignity to what was once shunned and mocked.

      • Dreadnaught

        I can just imagine kids going to school cross dressing in Spider Man suits and Wonder Woman outfits. On your classic desert or not so desert island all well and good and makes no difference to anyone. Pity the confusion in the minds of the young if this is what is being peddled as how to cope with life in a society of near seventy million.

  • John

    And I was dumb enough to think gender was a pretty black and white issue. Turns out in the confused, mixed up, inverted and muddled mess of our 21st Century Liberal society it’s over fifty shades of grey. The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum. Honestly, is this anything to do with David Icke?

    • Dreadnaught

      We know that in reality its not always as simple as that. But I agree with the rest of what you say.

    • IanCad

      Careful now John! You mentioned black and white. There is no such thing as race, didn’t you know?

  • Anton

    So we now need 22 categories of prison and 22 categories of sports team?

    • The Explorer

      Absolutely. And what if you have an identity crisis mid-match and decide you’re in the wrong team?

      • And what if you have a bigender or multigender identity? Or you wish to be gender fluid? No … the only answer is that proposed by Mr M.

        • You mean rant mindlessly about everyone who doesn’t agree with him on everything 100%, dispose the pope, convert “the Jews ” and tirades galore . And think fascism is o so wonderful?

          • No. Jack is referring to his suggestion that sexual segregation in sport be removed. Given the existence of 51 genders, equality demands this.

          • Hi

            Why do you use him as an example to be followed? Surely there are better and more intelligent Catholic sites with which to articulate your worldview?

          • Jack just likes his no thrills, speak it as you see it approach. Despite his style, he does articulate solid Catholic views. And he provokes a response. Plus, he makes Jack chuckle as he is so politically incorrect. And Jack does read other traditionalist sites and cites them too.

          • Hi Jack

            Well whatever floats your boat and stuff!

    • ” … it is not clear to me why in the modern, “enlightened” world there should be male and female disciplines in the first place. It is sexist and patronising. It perpetuates a myth of “weaker sex” that we, in this enlightened century, have thoroughly rejected.

      Mundabor’s proposal for the enlightened XXI Century: let everyone compete in only one discipline. Men, females, trannies, and paraplegics …

      Equality, says your truly. Let grrrls and men compete in the same 100 metres discipline. It will do them a lot of good.”

      https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/trannylympic-games/

      • Anton

        That is the alternative, of course. And tempting it is until we realise what the daughters of our generation will have to face in the changing rooms.

        • How terribly Victorian of you.

          • The Explorer

            There’s that film that’s a favourite of Carl’s: ‘Starship Troopers’. All the genders shower together, and exchange details of their lives. All very sedate. One might assume the same sort of thing would happen when sport is made unisex. (Or should I say, unigender?)

          • And why not? There’s far too much focus on sexual arousal.

          • The Explorer

            You mean gender arousal?

          • Tsk …. of course.

          • Although the Heinlein book it was based on still had quite definite gender segregation, unlike the film, although the roles given were frequently non-traditional. I seem to remember starship pilots in the book were almost invariably women because they coped with free fall better. Some SF junkie will no doubt correct me. 🙂

          • The Explorer

            I’ve never read the book. I got about halfway through the follow-up film, ‘Starship Troopers 2’ or whatever it was called, before abandoning it. As I recall, that had a woman being raped by a giant bug. Why not? I suppose once one’s abolished distinctions of gender, race and age, divisions between species must also disappear.

          • Heinlein’s turning in his grave:)

          • carl jacobs

            You are deceived. There is no such film. It does not exist. It was definitively proven to be a mass hallucination in Hollywood.

          • The Explorer

            Does that also apply to the sequels?

          • carl jacobs

            There cannot be a sequel to a non-existent film.

          • The Explorer

            Just testing.

      • Bringing that bigoted fool into the discussion isn’t helpful.

        • Mundabor does serve a useful purpose, Hannah, he’s the best guarantee out there that I’ll never end up a Traditionalist Catholic. I look at him, realise who I’d be sharing a table with in that part of the cafeteria, and hasten back to my nice middle of the road views. 🙂

          • Define “middle of the road views”.

          • Starting point would not be hating the guts of everyone who disagrees with me. 🙂

          • Well, would disagree with you there. That’s solid Catholicism … and Mr M. isn’t alone in harsh treatment of those he disagrees with. Have you been reading what Pope Francis has been saying of those he disagrees with it the Church?

          • Jack, for ages I thought Mundabor was a parody site because I couldn’t believe he really meant what he was saying …

          • Oh forgot to add, one of my favourites, “super vets” is back on t.v. next week….

          • The Explorer

            Sister T is a super vet. In my book, anyway. (Never seen it, but it sounds nice.) So is Sister T.

          • Flattery will get you everywhere 😛

          • Hi

            I’d say he is an embarrassment to your traditionalists: I’m sure there are intellectual traditionalist Catholic sites out there that can articulate their world view without his crudely put posts , which attack everyone but himself. He is his own pope and a community of one. Or a handful. Like a cult really.

  • The Explorer

    “If boys may walk around in skirts, are they to be free to use the girls’ toilets? May they wear tampons in cyclical empathy?”
    If boys are going to use tampons, where, exactly, are they going to be situated? This raises an awkward mismatch between mind and body. The mind may be free to select any gender it chooses, but the physical design of the body (in all but a very few cases) is less accommodating.

    • Sigfridiii

      Some people put things in some very inappropriate places.

    • chiefofsinners

      Are you really asking the Internet at large where you can stick a tampon?

      • The Explorer

        If you’re a male. The way to respond to absurdity is to treat it’s propositions seriously. Then absurdity may be seen for what it is.

  • The Explorer

    Why are there only twenty two categories? What happened to the fifty-six genders I was reading about a year or so ago?

    • 51 surely?

      • The Explorer

        Maybe. I thought they decided, though, that only 51 was a bit restrictive and didn’t allow for nuances of difference; so it climbed a bit.

  • Men of the world embrace the female within. You have nothing to lose but your … er … well quite.

    • The Explorer

      It’s much more fun embracing a female without.

  • Manfarang

    Chromosomal or sex hormone abnormalities can produce an infant in an intersexual state. It can also be caused by a condition called congenital adrenal hyperplasia, which is a disease that blocks the baby’s metabolism. It is not as uncommon as we might think; about 1 in every 2,000 newborns is born in an intersexual state.

    • Uncle Brian

      Yes, but there are still only two sexes.

      In Macapá, a Brazilian city on the Amazon estuary, one of the local football stadiums is laid out so that the half-way line runs exactly along the equator. Thus the pitch lies neither wholly within the Northern Hemisphere nor wholly within the Southern Hemisphere. Does that mean it’s situated in a third hemisphere? I don’t think so.

      • Manfarang

        Apples and Oranges.

    • Bernard from Bucks

      “1 in every 2,000 newborns”
      Thanks for providing a figure in this discussion.
      So… 1999 children end up totally confused… just to keep one ‘happy’.

      • Manfarang

        Who said all the rest are totally confused?

        • Bernard from Bucks

          Melanie Phillips. In this weeks Spectator writes on the issue of gender. She argues that not all children are gender fluid and that it can be dangerous to try and persuade them otherwise.

          • Manfarang

            Wasn’t she a tom boy?

    • Malcolm Smith

      “An intersexual state” is not the same as asexual or hermaphrodite. Both conditions are impossible. What it means is ambiguous genitals in someone who is otherwise definitely male or female. Sometimes (less often now) the victim was raised as the wrong sex, and suffered identity problems in later life. Sometimes, the hormones affected the brain to the extent of causing identity problems. But the vast majority of “intersexes” are normal apart from their genitals.

  • IanCad

    “Are the girls free to play rugby with the boys?”
    That should be good for the boys. Might straighten them out while participating in a sport that is the high road to buggery.

  • All you need to know about the graphic above, listing ‘gender identities’, is that the first two names on the list are not defined: Girl and Boy.

    That’s how it works. Nothing is defined. Gender is the name given to the hole left behind when you take away sex (Male and Female). Sex is a presence; Gender represents the (legal) absence of sex.

    • Anton

      Is it too much to ask to look between your legs?

  • Hi

    I don’t like the idea that what are still biological males could be given access to female changing rooms and toilets. Likewise with biological females . Being Tom boyish is one thing, but this seems to me like it will end in tears! O.k., I get with the surgery and hormones (done as adults) is different . But this allows for heterosexual lads /teens to legitimately perv – or possibly worse- on girls and young women under the guise of equality….

    • Take your points and playing devil’s advocate, what’s to stop same sex attracted teenagers ‘perving’ – or worse – in single sex changing rooms and toilets? Should they have separate facilities too?

      • Why should I respond to an insincere set of questions?

        • They were not “insincere” and, as you’ll see above, they actually drew out some important points.

      • Guglielmo Marinaro

        Unless you missed out on going to school, it is statistically certain that you shared single sex changing rooms and toilets with your “same-sex attracted” peers all through your own teenage years, as did all “other-sex attracted” teenagers who ever went to school. As one of the “same-sex attracted” former teenagers, I never found it to cause any problems. Did you?

        • Not at all. Jack’s point to Hannah was why is it different from male and female children and teenagers sharing facilities?

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            I’m glad to hear that your experience accords with mine, as I expected that it would. It suggests to my mind a solution to the problem. For as long as I can remember, whenever and wherever changing rooms, showers, toilets etc. have been segregated by sex – which is well-nigh invariably – people are required to use the facilities assigned to their biological sex. Their sexual orientation, which is quite a different thing, is rightly considered irrelevant. I suggest that the same should apply to any “gender” – whatever that may mean – by which anyone chooses to “identify”. Has that very simple solution occurred to anyone else?

          • Inspector General

            Not here, but one understands around 1 in 20 of any given population is handicapped regarding sexuality, and that includes gender. You might find some agreement with that crowd…

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            In what way do you find my proffered solution deficient?

          • Inspector General

            Keeping your sexual orientation to yourself is better. Much better. So if you have a problem with yours, you don’t trouble the rest of us who just don’t care. Try as we might…

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            I’m sorry, you haven’t answered my question. I never suggested that anyone should – much less should be required to – reveal their sexual orientation when using changing rooms, toilet facilities etc., so that is a red herring.

            I ask again, in what way do you find my proffered solution deficient?

          • Inspector General

            No. Nothing. Nothing at all. No empathy for you whatsoever. It’s almost as if the Inspector doesn’t mind if you live or die. So you decide whatever…

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Thank you. I’m sorry that you are either unable or unwilling to give any relevant and meaningful reply to my very simple, reasonable question.

          • Inspector General

            Do feel free to wallow in your perceived (yes, yes, it’s real to you) victimhood somewhere else. Goodbye!

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Thank you once again for your reply, which has no relevance to anything that I have said on here. In short, I haven’t a clue what you’re on about. I doubt that you have either. I wish you good evening.

          • Uncle Brian

            If I’ve understood you correctly, Guglielmo, I’m in full agreement with you. Changing rooms and other facilities should be segregated by sex, not by “gender”. The rule that always applied in the past should continue to prevail today and in the future. That’s what you’re saying, isn’t it?

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Yes, it is.

          • That position would place you outside of emerging laws and regulations in both Canada and America and increasingly in Britain.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            I know little of the situation in Canada and America, but I don’t think that we have any regulations of that kind in Britain yet. Certainly not any that I’m likely to fall foul of, at any rate.

          • Not unless you’re a school teacher or in some form of service industry where toilets and changing room facilities are provided.

          • The Explorer

            “The argument is that if one believes one is female by gender, regardless of sex, one should be treated as female.” (Happy Jack).

            I think that’s the problem. You can be transgender simply by believing you are, and without the operation. So if you think you are a woman in a male body, you are entitled to use the women’s facilities. It’s what your mind says to yourself that counts; not what your body says to other people

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Yes, well I’m not one of those people who believe that imagination has the power to alter objective reality, as I’m sure you’re not either.

          • The Explorer

            Well put: I have great respect for your powers of expression.

            The above was not, of course, what I myself believe; but I was trying to summarise the situation that I believe pertains on some US university campuses.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            That was what I thought.

          • Hi

            That’s not very nice…. even when critiquing Catholicism Len didn’t say that to you.

          • Inspector General

            You really are an empty headed silly thing these days. What is “not very nice” is what Brighton college is doing. But then, the place is in Sodom-on-Sea…speaks volumes about the orientation of the staff who live there…

          • Hi

            Except as usual you misfire your bullets.

          • Because it’s discriminatory making a person who identifies as female gender use male gender facilities. There no such thing as common sense anymore.

          • Inspector General

            Jack – When the Inspector introduced the concept of ‘common sense’ to the inmates at PN, when he was still allowed to post there – they all went for him at the same time…

          • The Explorer

            May we assume you have been banned again? If so, is it for a specific period, or indefinite?

          • Inspector General

            Until a doctor examines the Inspector and pronounces “life extinct”…

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            But the facilities are assigned to people of the male SEX. Their claim to a “gender” – and I have not yet seen any convincing explanation of “gender”, when applied to people, as distinct from “sex” – is another matter entirely.

          • Well Jack agrees with you but not the anti-discriminatory brigade.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Well, I AM one of the anti-discriminatory brigade, and I agree with me too.

          • You need to attend an updated anti-discrimination workshop.
            The argument is that if one believes one is female by gender, regardless of sex, one should be treated as female. To do otherwise is compelling one to follow a gender path one has refused. To do so is disrespectful, discriminatory and bullying. This means treating the person according to gender and not sex.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            So what is a gender in this context (not in the grammatical sense) as distinct from a sex?

          • Sex refers to biological and physiological characteristics. Gender refers to behaviours, roles, expectations, and activities. Sex refers to male or female. Gender refers to masculine or feminine.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Well, that’s fine, but changing rooms, toilets etc. are segregated by biological sex, not by people’s behaviours, roles, expectations, and activities. So those who think that they have the right to use the “wrong” facilities don’t have a sustainable case, as I’m sure you agree. Of course, if people wish to divide up facilities in their own private homes on the basis of things like gender, who people believe they were in a previous incarnation, etc., that’s up to them.

          • Jack is not disagreeing with you at all.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Didn’t think you would.

          • Anton

            So do I ! I’d thought that “gender” was synonymous with “sex” (in the sense of “the sexes”), and that the word “gender” became popular only because the word “sex” was thought by some to bring the meaning “copulation” to mind. That the two have diverged is sorry news to me.

        • Hi

          Pretty much what I would have said to Jack.

          • And Jack would not have had a problem replying.

        • DanJ0

          I once got a stiffy in the showers. Very embarrassing. I can’t remember whether there was a specific stimulus or not but at that age a simple change in wind direction could result in a stiffy. Thank goodness things calm down a lot as one gets older!

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Which was just as likely to happen to a straight teenager as to a gay one.

    • The Explorer

      What do you mean “perv”? Perving will no longer exist. There will just be different kinds of normality.

      • Hi,

        Well I’m uncomfortable with this and im uncomfortable with private gyms doing this for adults. I’m pretty easy going, okay if they’ve had a sex change, I could understand more.

    • Phil R

      This from the US (Where else!)

      The federal government has now officially
      ruled that boys who call themselves “transgender” have a CIVIL RIGHT to
      watch girls undress.”

      http://themattwalshblog.com/2015/11/05/with-the-transgender-movement-liberalism-has-finally-descended-into-total-madness/

      Not quite connected but interesting where we are going with this.

      (Warning It is disturbing)

      The 52 year old guy believes he is a 12 year old girl. The authorities seem to be OK with it.

      It is called transagerism

      http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/clearly-we-need-more-shame-and-judgment-in-our-society/

      • Dreadnaught

        Grayson Perry?

  • Bernard from Bucks

    Now I know why they are again considering the introduction of Identity Cards.
    It’s to show officials how to address you in a PC non-offending manner?

  • That possibility, believe it or not, had actually occurred to me 🙂

  • Inspector General

    When a society allows it’s weaker specimens to dictate the agenda, it’s finished as a going concern. It will be ripe for takeover. Allah’s people will see to that.

    Come forward now those who would save us from this madness we ordinary sane folk (and our children) are subjected to these days. It’s everywhere!!

    The other day, two Westminster Labour ‘wimmyn’ rounded on Cameron. He had made the newspeak error of referring to the bunch of migrants outside Calais as a bunch of migrants. The Inspector will not name the two, as they are beneath contempt, but gives this warning – If two lefty PC zealots have the temerity to reprimand a Prime Minister on his casual choice of language, then they are not going to put an end to the current uprising by the sexual and gender handicapped. Such is the Labour Party today. It has abandoned the white working class with jobs for the probably jobless with issues, (especially when it comes to the boy-girl stuff, it seems). And you don’t have to be a citizen of the United Kingdom to earn their concern either. It seems to help if you aren’t!

    So, bravo our man for tackling todays topic. Few dare to go there these days, but our magnificent Cranmer is not so cowed. But you good people that you are, remember this: If you keep on helping to vote the socialists into government, then you are helping to propagate said madness. And not just that. We know that socialists hate criticism. Not when EVERYTHING they are about is for the public good, as they see it. Perhaps we may see a time when a future socialist government demands of Cranmer he give ‘the authorities’ 24 hours notice of any missal he intends to publish (or even if he intends to have sexual relations too, for that matter) so that the content be reviewed and passed ‘fit’ for public consumption.

    We will have only ourselves to blame on such an outcome…

    • jsampson45

      Does it really matter who one votes for? Where are the candidates who would stand against this?

      • Inspector General

        Thank the Lord you asked. It was a burden keeping it in…

        It’s U.K.I.P !!!

        • jsampson45

          I was not aware that UKIP was taking a stand in this area. On what basis is it doing so?

          • Inspector General

            It will…

          • jsampson45

            I am not holding my breath. This runs much deeper than politics.

          • Inspector General

            Not really. It’s just a homosexual uprising, is all…

  • Inspector General

    “Get ‘em early, get em’ young”, as they say. Here (courtesy Pink News) is what those who wish to corrupt our young are getting up to. Remember this, it is outrageous to us, but will be just another day for today’s children when they reach what used to be called maturity…
    ———————————————-
    ‘Trans athletes are unfair to women’ insists columnist’

    Times columnist Janice Turner has questioned plans to allow trans women to compete in the Olympics without undergoing surgery beforehand.

    In a bid to resolve some of the issues previously facing trans and intersex athletes, the International Olympic Committee is set to adopt a new policy on “Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism”.

    Trans women will still face some obstacles when taking part in women’s events – requiring a consistent testosterone level “below 10 nmol/L” – but there will no longer be restrictions placed on those who haven’t undergone gender surgery.

    Turner says this is “great news – unless you are a woman athlete.”

    “A male-to-female trans athlete will be allowed to have more than three times the upper range of this performance-enhancing hormone than a born woman,” she writes in The Times. “And while taking female hormones reduces male muscle mass and bone density, many biological advantages remain.“Men have bigger skeletons, longer stride, larger lung capacity, and a narrower pelvis — unhindered by female reproductive organs — all better suited for speed.”She adds that although the move may be more inclusive, it risks being exploited by some – and may even damage trans equality in the future. “This is bound to be exploited by medal-hungry male athletes in unscrupulous nations,” she writes. “The Iranian women’s football team already contains eight trans-females..
    ———————————————-

  • These teachers certainly have no qualms about playing mad games with the lives of their pupils. Children experience all sorts of conflicting emotions during childhood – and some might possibly toy with the idea, that they might like to have been born the opposite sex. Most children outgrow such fantasies and fit into normal society without any fuss. The role of parents and teachers is to help them manage these phases, and channel their energies into something worthwhile.

    Here we have a scenario, where some school teachers have decided to use vulnerable children as guinea pigs. Nobody – perhaps, not even the crazy inventors of these science fiction gender classifications – fully understands what a ‘demi-girl’ or a ‘gender-fluid’ or ‘gender-free’ person is, or how children being allotted these exotic labels are meant to live out their lives; yet these teachers are happy to push innocent children into that dark alley and leave them to their fate.

    And who might be the role model for a tri-gender child? I expect parents, teachers and health care workers will now need re-education. And schools will have to appoint teachers who identify with these numerous ‘genders’ so that no one feels left out.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      Well said

  • “Then there’s transpecies, which isn’t just a concept hilariously invented by South Park. There exists an actual community of people who pretend to be animals and call themselves “otherkins.” As this piece put it, “otherkins are people too; they just identify as non-humans.” A lot of liberals take these bestial fetishists seriously. They have to, I guess.

    Transgender. Transage. Transrace. Transspecies. These are different brands of crazy but they are all fundamentally the same — 100 percent comparable, right down the line — and we are witnessing the mainstreaming of them all.

    And it doesn’t stop there. You may have heard of the small but vibrant “transabled” community. These are people who feel certain they were supposed to be born legless, armless, deaf, paralyzed, or crippled in some other way. Eventually, if they aren’t given rigorous psychological treatment, they often resort to disfiguring themselves to achieve the realization of their “true selves.” “

    Hat tip to Phil R for the link

    http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/clearly-we-need-more-shame-and-judgment-in-our-society/

  • Inspector General

    Gender whatever is an age old problem. Even in the 1970s…

    “Dad, I don’t think I’m completely a boy”

    “Tell you old dad, what is it that holds his trousers up”

    “It’s your belt, dad”

    “Nah, are you still not completely a boy?”

    “{GULP!}”

  • bockerglory

    So we are a society obsessed with sexual orientation, sexual imagery and how we use our genitals.

    I have known individuals who in their late 60s lacking the funds of gay millionaires to have ready made children become morose and then say to me “I was abused as a youg adult and it ruined me … I have no companionship/ friends/ family”.

    So a person can decide their gender when they are young & they will regret when they are old. At that point they regret their genitally obsessed life.

    But genitals & sex sell and Satan grows fat on sinful souls. Jesus weeps.

  • Inspector General

    Cameron. Any chance of having Section 28 back?

    • Guglielmo Marinaro

      Given that it served no useful purpose, I would say that the answer is “No.”

      • Inspector General

        It was to militant gayism as garlic to vampires…

        • Guglielmo Marinaro

          It forbade the “promotion” of homosexuality. There is no credible evidence that homosexuality – or heterosexuality, for that matter – can be promoted. Nor was there reason to believe that anyone, except just possibly a minuscule number of nutcases, was engaged in the futile task of attempting to do so.

          • Promotion covered the normalisation of homosexuality in schools i.e. teaching children about same sex acts and encouraging the belief these were acceptable and equivalent to male and female sex acts.

          • Inspector General

            What do you think Brighton college is doing then…

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            It’s encouraging children to play the giddy goat. Wearing the type of clothes traditionally worn by the other sex won’t turn anyone homosexual, nor is there any logical reason why it should. Wearing the type of clothes traditionally worn by your own sex won’t turn anyone heterosexual either, if they’re not already, as I know from experience.

          • It is confusing young people, is what it is doing. Sexual identity is not a social construct but is an objective fact rooted in our nature as either female or male persons. The most obvious fact about us is that we are either male or female.

            Young people can have false beliefs and their feelings and attitudes can be irrational or not in conformity with reality. As we’ve already agreed, a person’s sex identity is not determined by one’s subjective beliefs, desires or feelings. It is a function of his or her nature. Sexual identity is an ontological given. Therapy and the loving acceptance of such young people suffering from sexual identity confusion is the proper way to love them – not colluding with and endorsing their confusion.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            I broadly agree.

          • Inspector General

            It’s just too degenerate for normal people to take in. You know the type, sensible, the feet firmly on the floor lot…

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Sounds like me.

          • Inspector General

            Oh, for pity’s sake…

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            I’m sorry: that was too tentatively expressed. That’s definitely me.

          • Martin

            GM

            Funny that, you do it all the time.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Martin

            Ah well, since what you imagine that I’m trying to promote doesn’t, according to you, even exist, there’s nothing to worry about is there?

          • Martin

            GM

            No imagination required, it’s quite clear what you are doing.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Martin

            Quite clear in your imagination, no doubt.

          • Martin

            GM

            No imagination needed, as I am sure others can testify.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Martin

            Others? I wonder who they might be.

  • carl jacobs

    When men cease to believe they are created, they choose to consider themselves self-created. There can no longer be any natural boundaries, for boundaries are arbitrary. There can no longer be perversion because there is no natural use. There is only autonomous desire.

    This is a self-correcting problem. Cultures that think this way … they die.

      • carl jacobs

        With prescribed nature comes prescribed responsibilities and obligations. This is a rebellion against those responsibilities and obligations. People don’t want to pick them up. They want to define them as they see fit, and they want to discard them at will. That’s an ideal situation for an autonomous independent adult who values his freedom above all. It’s rather hell for kids.

        “Father” and “Mother” used to be understood roles which each made unique contributions to children. Now we effectively have parental units and the words identify nothing more than gender. Do we even need fathers anymore? We have to hope not.

        But we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

        • It’s a downward and vicious spiral that can only have one outcome – the total collapse of secular Western liberal democracies.

          Islam or Fascism awaits? Take you pick.

          • Merchantman

            I think the West will be overrun as you see already happening with the refugee crisis and the EU’s confused inability to deal with it. Putin could probably reach the Channel Ports in a fortnight and key points like the channel tunnel in a few hours with airborne troops.

      • David

        Bonkers but also very sad. Just think of the grief this must inflict on his children and any wife !

        • Think of the child he’s living with and corrupting !!!!

      • dannybhoy

        Nope.
        I’m sorry but this is absolute nonsense. I would say that this describes people who are trying to escape from situations they can’t otherwise cope with, are desperate for attention and validation, totally perverted or totally screwed up!
        There are only two sexes ordained by God. I accept that some people are apparently born with a predilection for their own sex, but this is garbage.
        I agree with Carl’s post below.

  • Guglielmo Marinaro

    I notice that it says:

    “The young people we talked with used the following terms…”

    I’m not sure who “we” are, but speaking as an ex-teacher, I suspect that most of the young people whom “we” talked to were taking “us” for a ride. They do have a propensity to do that kind of thing.

    • dannybhoy

      I never ceased to be amazed by the excuses kids could dream up for avoiding school or homework..

  • Inspector General

    Tomorrow, the Inspector will investigate the connection between the college and the Green Party that represents Brighton at Westminster. Regular communicants will remember the Inspector’s previous opinion that what you have in Brighton is a de facto Green Homosexual alliance, so dependant is that party on the local LGBT population which as we know is concentrated there, like some leper colony of old.

    Be seeing you…

  • chiefofsinners

    Satan encouraged Adam and Eve to change their natures from what God had made them. It was a change for the worse. They became ashamed of their nakedness, covered it, hid and were separated from God.
    Satan is still at work.

    • Guglielmo Marinaro

      Do you mean that we should all be going round in the buff?

      • chiefofsinners

        It might save a lot of confusion among the gender-baffled but no, wigs should always be worn.

        • Anton

          Yours will be pretty worn by now.

  • Politically__Incorrect

    I always thought that the blatant denial of relaity was a sign of psychosis. The person who believes thay are Napoleon is likely to end up in a straight jacket. But tell your doctor that nature got it wrong and you are not the gender your chromosomes say you are and instead of being sectioned you get the right to never be offended, even if that means terrifying the girls in your class by stripping off and showing them your wedding tackle in their changing rooms. You couldn’t make it up.

    I always thought that the blatant denial of relaity was a sign of psychosis. The person who believes thay are Napoleon is likely to end up in a straight jacket. But tell your doctor that nature got it wrong and you are not the gender your chromosomes say you are and instead of being sectioned you get the right to never be offended, even if that means terrifying the girls in your class by stripping off and showing them your wedding tackle in their changing rooms. You couldn’t make it up.

    I always thought that the blatant denial of relaity was a sign of psychosis. The person who believes thay are Napoleon is likely to end up in a straight jacket. But tell your doctor that nature got it wrong and you are not the gender your chromosomes say you are and instead of being sectioned you get the right to never be offended, even if that means terrifying the girls in your class by stripping off and showing them your wedding tackle in their changing rooms. You couldn’t make it up.

    • Merchantman

      For many years, since Freud gained currency, I have believed the West has been having a Mental Crisis. It shows.

  • Anton

    Which of the body and the mind can lie?

  • Alain Rioux

    Trans-boy or trans-girl= G.M.O?
    Agender, singular of Agenda?

  • Uncle Brian

    In Canada, the province of Alberta is pushing its schools to adopt rules of the Brighton College type, and one Catholic bishop, at least, is fighting back:

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/01/27/muzzling-judgement-on-lgbtq-lifestyle-is-pure-nonsense

    The bishop’s earlier attack on the “anti-Catholic” and “totalitarian” schools policy is here:

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/01/14/bishop-fred-henry-albertas-totalitarian-lgbtq-guidelines-anti-catholic

    • David

      Well done Catholic bishop !

  • DanJ0

    I personally don’t know what to make of gender dysphoria. It’s hard to imagine what people who suffer it must go through. That said, I’m not convinced that questioning the construct of gender has that much value. I expect most people (including me) have a clear sense of their own gender. I suppose it’s natural that one tends to project that clarity onto others so that those few who have dysphoria are constrained by social expectations, and that can’t make things very easy for them as they grow up. I’m not sure what ought to be done there but having a freeform environment regarding gender seems quite over the top.

  • DanJ0

    It’s interesting for me to see how the comments have progressed. It seems like there’s a lot of confirmation bias going on. For me, gender dysphoria (like sexual orientation) shows how complex a species we are and how wonderful the human mind is in the scheme of things. For others, it seems to confirm their expectations of a degrading society, or something about sin and divine design, or the slow death of Western liberalism.

  • Mike Stallard

    “The XX and XY chromosomes are the pair of chromosomes that determine sex in humans. People with XX chromosomes are biologically females and people with XY chromosomes are biologically males. Because of this situation, female eggs (which only include one of the pair) always have an X chromosome. Male sperm can contain either an X or a Y chromosome, so males are solely responsible for determining the sex of a child.

    As is often the case, there are a few genetic anomalies that appear from time to time. Occasionally, a female egg will have two XX chromosomes which bond with a Y chromosome from the male, creating a child with XXY chromosomes. These males are physically indistinguishable from XY males but are often said to exhibit some differences in behavior (I’m not sure if this theory is still accepted but it was mentioned a lot in the 70s).

    Another interesting case, is one where a male has an XY chromosome, but because of a mutation in the Y chromosome, the mechanisms which trigger male development (all embryos are female till a certain stage) fail to activate. The child physically appears female on the outside and in many cases is often perceived as extremely female (aka full figure super model).” From Yahoo answers posted by soulmate.

    In over fifty years of teaching, I have met just one child who fitted into the latter two categories.

    • David

      Interesting practical experience revealed there. Fifty years of teaching yet just one instance. Yet we are redefining the normal in terms of the abnormal – madness !

    • DanJ0

      Are you suggesting in the third paragraph that a failure in the sex chromosome can result in a female body (because the switch to trigger male development is missing) but the brain develops in such a way that it has something specifically male about it? Doesn’t the Y in the XY sex chromosome simply mean that those genes come from the father? That is, they’re not ‘male’ genes but genes from the male? I wish I knew more about this area.

      • Mike Stallard

        I have not a clue – I just copied and pasted the article because I thought it made sense.
        The thing to stress is this: we are dealing with a very, very tiny minority of people. By making it trendy and sexy, we are probably risking the childhoods and indeed the social life of a lot of very vulnerable children. The figure of 10% of people being transgender has been floated. I do not think, after a lifetime as a teacher and with my own children and their friends of both sexes, that this can possibly be true.

      • Broadwood

        No, the Y chromosome is genuinely a different shape from the X chromosome, which looks like an X (ha!) – in fact all of the other 22 chromosomes we possess apart from the Y are X shaped – the male-defining Y chromosome is the odd man out. So males have a bit less DNA overall than females.

  • Martin

    The lunatics have taken over the asylum. And so we see the fulfilment of Romans 1:18-32, the self destruction of society while fools glory in their folly and rejoice in sin.

    • David

      Well said Martin.
      That passage was purpose made to describe such degeneracy and confusion. But how wise they consider themselves – incredible self-worship !

  • IanCad

    I wonder how much of this nonsense would be going on if man still had to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow.

    • Anton

      Quite. The curse of hard work laid on males was not only punishment but to keep him out of mischief.

      • bockerglory

        As was getting married to a women and having kids …. Responsibility makes leaders

  • David

    Martin’s post below sums this up very well, by referring to a passage of Scripture that could have been written for the phase that we are now progressing through, which is towards utter confusion and degeneracy. It is worth reading.
    Such a society will not endure. The laws of God or Nature, or both as I believe, because God created Nature, will now self-correct this madness by ensuring that either our culture utterly perishes, or it will, starring oblivion in the face, turn away from its madnesses and regain an equilibrium with reality. Being an optimist, because I am a Christian, I shall select option two, and work and pray for a return to sanity, and a healthy respect and love for both God and the natural order He created.

  • Albert

    Excellent post. Far from respecting the children, what this is doing is imposing the confusion of the adults onto them, and causing the children to be unduly self-absorbed. And where does self-absorption lead? Narcissism and unhappiness.

  • The Explorer

    SSM did not arise in isolation. It must be seen in the context of the western belief that the sex act should be about pleasure rather than reproduction. Allow that, and the primary case against SSM collapses.

    The gender issue, it seems to me, should be seen as postmodernism working through to its logical conclusions. Fluidity is the key, the demolition of boundaries. Once say that truth is what you want it to be, or what it is for you, and you can diffuse that into the meaning of words (this is what it means to me, so this is what it means), into religion (choose your own path to a God of whatever gender you choose), into ethics, law, biology… You are a six-year-old girl (though a 52-year-old man), or a cat(although a woman), or a parrot (by tattooing yourself the appropriate colours and cutting off your ears) if you believe yourself to be.

    Some areas are harder to penetrate with fluidity than others. You can believe yourself to be a lottery winner, but those handing out the dosh may not agree with you. You can believe gravity to be a social construct, and throw yourself out of a high-rise window to prove it: but you are unlikely to survive your conviction.

    • DanJ0

      “It must be seen in the context of the western belief that the sex act should be about pleasure rather than reproduction.”

      One has to wonder why your creator god thing made it very pleasurable in that case, rather than merely instinctual, like the fight or flight response, or functional, like hunger or thirst. Seems like it was asking for trouble to me.

      • The Explorer

        Yes, it’s a very good point. Maybe it was a miscalculation by the divine mind, because look at the result.

        There’s nothing wrong with pleasure and procreation, of course: the former ensures the latter in the animal world. It used to ensure the latter in the human world, too. Then humans got clever.

        • DanJ0

          Pleasurable sex? In some mammals, presumably, but it’s not clear that applies to most animals. I’d have thought the maternal/paternal drive in humans would be sufficient, especially if your god ramped it up a bit. At least then deviants like me would simply adopt kittens to assuage our perverted desires, or something.

          • The Explorer

            Inadvertent observation of bonking animals has inclined me to the conviction that they find pleasure in it. But they have all been mammals, which are, as you say, a special case. Can’t speak for ants, centipedes etc never having observed them at it, and don’t know enough to say. But you’re probably right.

            I’m sure maternal/paternal drives are there; but, in the Christian view, what complicates everything is that all human drives are fallen and therefore likely to head off in the wrong direction with little provocation.

            But this is getting away from the point I was trying to make. SSM has been made possible because contemporary heteros agree about non-reproductive sex. Gender fluidity is possible because of the postmodern dissolution of dividing boundaries in all contexts.

          • dannybhoy

            I would imagine that all reproductive creatures find pleasure in the act of sex, but not all lie back afterwards and enjoy a fag..

          • The Explorer

            The three best things in life: a drink before and a cigarette afterwards. (That was in the 60’s. Today’s hedonist, I imagine, would substitute cocaine for the third one.)

          • CliveM

            Surely a mug of Horlicks beats all?

          • The Explorer

            If it’s true for you…

          • The Explorer

            Don’t let any feminists watch that video. It might give them ideas. Remember how the Amazons used to kill males once they’d mated with them.

          • dannybhoy

            Ducking and diving, weaving and dodging..
            I was glad when the menopause kicked in.. :0)

          • “SSM has been made possible because contemporary heteros agree about non-reproductive sex.”

            Lambeth Conference 1930 – the first Christian denomination to approve artificial contraception.

          • Phil R

            You/we decide what is pleasurable. You have decided that homosexual sex is pleasurable and you do not want or desire any other.

            I do not believe that what we find pleasurable is fixed.

            When I was younger I really hated olives. In fact they made me sick just the smell and made me feel sick to eat one. However, after 100s of meetings with just a bowl of olives and peanuts and terrible coffee, tea and water you dare not drink. In desperation and hunger, I started nibbling at the olives.

            I now love olives.

          • DanJ0

            *shrug*

            You’re like a racist in that regard. No amount of rational argument would convince you so there’s no point in trying, at last for your sake anyway.

          • DanJ0

            I stored this link some time ago.

          • Phil R

            Cranmer’s law again.

            Clearly it is still operating.

          • DanJ0

            But you don’t mind being a homophobe and a bigot. Indeed you embrace it. I’m not shaming you. I’m pigeon-holing you for the purposes of dialogue, or to justify any lack of reasonable discourse. You’re basically a poundland Donald trump, and therefore quite mesmerising at arm’s length.

          • Phil R

            Do i need to quote it for you?

            You use labels to try to shut down debate

            Cranmer’s Law

          • DanJ0

            Allow me:

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            What a brilliant comparison. Does that mean that there’s a serious possibility that you will start being sexually attracted to other guys, and that you might decide that gay sex is pleasurable and acquire a definite taste for it, and cease to want or desire any other?

          • Phil R

            Now olives did not replace anything. .

          • DanJ0

            C’mon. You’ve pretty much outed yourself with that analogy. Just how hungry did you get before ‘nibbling the olives’, and is this the reason for your homophobia now?

          • Phil R

            Interesting.

            Gosh we are all potentially gay…

            who would have thought it!

            more difficult to get used to than olives no doubt

            Homophobia ? Me?

            Surely not…

          • DanJ0

            Not all. I provided an interesting Telegraph link earlier below. Perhaps you’re not a #1. But I’m clearly a #6. It’s demonstrable in tests that some very strong homophobes are repressing homosexual feelings. They’re probably 1-3ers from a mono-cultured and illiberal background. This is why I always treat the Inspector as one of us, especially as he’s a never married man in his 50s.

          • Phil R

            You forget that repression of certain behaviours within an individual and/or society is no bad thing.

            In the past it was backed up by shame and the law for a large list of behaviours which, were considered not good for human flourishing. Today it is reserved for a dwindling list. Paedos are not accepted for instance and so are some of the 10 commandments (but not all) Now clearly repression, shame and the law works in everyone’s interests if we have a set of values that we can see works in the interest of human flourishing.

            I have not read the link you mention but it does not surprise me that people who are ex-gay or the most strongly attracted are the most opposed.

            It is similar to drugs. It is ex addicts (or a those close to an addict) who are the most energetic campaigners to describe to society the dangers of drugs.

          • DanJ0

            “Now clearly repression, shame and the law works in everyone’s interests if we have a set of values that we can see works in the interest of human flourishing.”

            We saw that at work in Ireland when the Roman Catholic Church was maintaining its hegemony, and I’m not sure that it was in everyone’s interest at all. We can see it in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan where “human flourishing” is defined rather differently. That’s the core of it really: “human flourishing” really means “society flourishing” in hands such as yours I think, and that’s where alarms bells start to ring for me when religious people with their religious texts assert their beliefs and try to take charge.

            “I have not read the link you mention but it does not surprise me that people who are ex-gay or the most strongly attracted are the most opposed.”

            There’s no such thing as “ex-gay” other than in terms of behaviour. That’s just some evil propagated by evil people for evil means. Typically extreme protestants.

          • Phil R

            Extreme and no Christian examples to justify “freedom”.

            Why not compare our society with say Switzerland instead.

            “There’s no such thing as “ex-gay” ”

            Another fallacy…

            http://www.peter-ould.net/2007/04/19/you-and-me-together/

          • DanJ0

            Have you actually read the link?

          • Phil R

            Yes

            He has a very understanding and compassionate stance which I thought might appeal to you.

          • DanJ0

            But he’s saying that ex-gay is not really meaningful, preferring post-gay instead because it describes his situation. He appears to be bi-sexual but doesn’t want to entertain his gay side. That seems very sensible to me as it doesn’t conflict with his religious beliefs. I presume he’s still attracted to men. If so then he’s not been ‘fixed’ or had his sexual orientation somehow changed.

          • DanJ0

            You really should read the link before modifying your comment any more, I think.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            So you definitely could start being sexually attracted to other guys, decide that gay sex is pleasurable and acquire a definite taste for it (just as one might acquire a taste for olives or salami), and even cease to want or desire any other kind of sex? That, for you, is not just a purely theoretical and abstract possibility, but a perfectly realistic one, is it?

          • Phil R

            Prisoners engage in it because there is no relativistic possibility of hetero sex

            Therefore it must be a possibility. Doesn’t that reinforce my point rather than yours?

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            “Prisoners engage in it because there is no relativistic possibility of hetero sex”

            Just as people who are starving to death will eat anything. It does not reinforce your point at all.

            For YOU, who are presumably not in such limiting circumstances, is becoming sexually attracted to other guys, deciding that gay sex is pleasurable and acquiring a definite taste for it, and even ceasing to want or desire any other kind of sex, not just a mere abstract possibility but a concrete one?

          • Phil R

            I am not sure where you are getting these ideas about me personally. But anyway, lets run with it, because if it is indeed true, then it would reinforce my suggestion that orientation is a learned behaviour, (Which I seem to remember Matthew Paris suggesting) is fluid and not fixed.

            http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/matthewparris/article3390885.ece

            If do not have a subscription

            http://anglicanmainstream.org/whos-totally-gay-theres-no-straight-answer-matthew-parris-the-times/

            In which case your comments and the above seem to suggest that homosexual behaviour is either learned or is a choice or a bit of both, but certainly not fixed.

          • DanJ0

            Parris says that he believes male sexual orientation is less fixed that we suppose i.e. that people can change. I think what he really means is that people are on the 1-6 scale and some people who are not 1s or 6s can in theory train themselves.

            Homosexual behaviour is always a choice.

            You seem to be alternating between sexual orientation and sexual behaviour. You know they’re different things, right? Your Peter Ould fellow can probably tell you that. I can tell you emphatically that I was gay even before I hit puberty.

          • Phil R
          • DanJ0

            What’s the point of posting links to religious websites which clearly have an agenda? You might as well try to pass off the Family Research Council articles as well-referenced material again.

          • Phil R

            So they are all liars?

            Every one of these ex gays?

            No exceptions?

            Why? Because their experiences are at odds with the “truth” you are trying to formulate.

            The goal is not to state that it does not work. Rather to stop the therapy as their experiences conflict with your worldview.

          • DanJ0

            I’ve just skim-read a bunch of them. Lordy, you’re so bloody gullible. Most of the ones I read are caricatures of what some people think causes people to be gay, and most of the ‘authors’ seem to be bisexual to me. I think I’ll stick to personal experience (of myself and people I know) and less biased sources of information.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            “…then it would reinforce my suggestion that orientation is a learned behaviour…”

            The problem with that suggestion is that an orientation is not a behaviour, learned or otherwise. Sexual orientation is the term used to indicate the direction of a person’s sexual attractions. It has a tendency to lead to sexual behaviour, of course, although it does not inevitably do so: there are people who lead their entire lives without engaging in any sexual behaviour at all, but still knowing that their sexual orientation is heterosexual or homosexual, as the case may be.

            Heterosexual people, no matter how they may behave in closed, single-sex institutions (such as prisons) where, as you have expressed it, “there is no relativistic possibility of hetero sex”, typically revert to their normal heterosexual behaviour patterns if and when they emerge into normal society; they do not “learn” a homosexual orientation. Similarly, when homosexual people repudiate and try to bury their sexuality by forcing themselves into a heterosexual lifestyle, they do not thereby alter their sexual attractions, which remain just as homosexual as ever; even after years or decades of living in such a “lifestyle” they do not “learn” a heterosexual orientation.

            I read Matthew Parris’s article in its entirety when it first appeared, and I have re-read it several times since. A lady from the oddly-named Anglican Mainstream was so impressed with it that she wasted space by pasting it at least TWICE on the message boards of one of our national dailies. She apparently did not notice that it is an attack as much on a heterosexual orientation as on a homosexual one. The essence of Parris’s thesis seems to be that sexual behaviour is purely a matter of habit and acquired taste, I suppose rather like always drinking lager rather than bitter or cider, and that any man who regards himself as EITHER HOMOSEXUAL OR HETEROSEXUAL has rejected the variety of experience open to him and got himself into a sexual rut. It was suggested to the Anglican Mainstream lady that, as a married woman, she ask her husband whether his heterosexuality was like that. Unsurprisingly, she never replied to that suggestion. What Parris wrote has no relation to my own experience or to that of anyone else that I am aware of. I regard it simply as a piece of journalistic foolishness, perhaps written to stimulate controversy, as journalists sometimes do.

            As to sexual BEHAVIOUR, heterosexual or homosexual, there is no reason to suppose that it is learned, any more than any other instinctive human behaviour is. Yes, of course homosexual behaviour is a choice. We all know that. You don’t HAVE to do it, even if you have a homosexual orientation. Heterosexual behaviour is equally a choice: you don’t HAVE to do it, even if you have a heterosexual orientation. No, there is no proof that any homosexual is “born gay”. There is no proof that any heterosexual is “born straight” either. The precise causation of both orientations remains unknown.

            I note that you are still unwilling to answer my question. I can’t say that I’m particularly surprised.

          • Phil R

            I don’t believe that the evidence is that orientation (even as you describe it) is fixed. Paris suggests otherwise and there are numerous examples

            http://ex-gaytruth.com/ex-gay-testimonies/

            These are interesting because they indicate that “orientation” can be changed and that in many cases pressure was applied to some to adopt the gay lifestyle from a young age. They subsequently considered this their “orientation”. It seems to me that with these testimonies in mind we should make every effort to exclude homosexual pressure groups from places like schools until the age of 21 or when adulthood is fully formed. (rather than specifying as specific age)

            I am not sure what your question was. If you ask it again I will answer.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            I have already said why I don’t take seriously what Matthew Parris says on this subject. I prefer to avoid making such reckless blanket statements as that sexual orientation is fixed for everyone, but for most men, at any rate, it is. Fluidity of sexual orientation doubtless exists, but it is the exception, not the rule, and while there are some convincing cases of spontaneous change in sexual orientation – in both directions – the evidence that such change can be deliberately engineered is very poor. I view “ex-gay” testimonies like those on Ex-gayTruth with severe scepticism, since I have studied the history of the “ex-gay” movement and know that it is positively littered with people who have publicly proclaimed such testimonies with great fervour year after year – in some cases there have even been whole books written about them – but who have eventually retracted their stories, admitting that their claims were merely self-deception.

            If there are cases where pressure is applied to adopt a gay “lifestyle”, which comes to be regarded as the person’s “orientation”, then subsequent escape from that situation, far from demonstrating that actual change of orientation has taken place, demonstrates that such pressure cannot force a heterosexual person to have a homosexual orientation. This is supported by the fact that pressure on homosexual people to adopt a straight lifestyle – which is far, far more common – similarly fails to make them heterosexual in orientation. That is not to deny, of course, that pressure of that kind can do and frequently does do serious and lasting psychological damage. If by “homosexual pressure groups” is meant groups that seek to pressure undecided people into declaring themselves homosexual, or into adopting any particular sexual “lifestyle”, then I agree that they should be excluded from places like schools. By the same token, so should all anti-homosexual or “ex-gay” pressure groups of any kind. No matter what young people’s sexual orientation ultimately turns out to be, officious attempts to tamper with it should be strictly prohibited.

            My question was: For YOU, who are presumably not in such limiting circumstances as are people in closed, single-sex institutions, is becoming sexually attracted to other guys, deciding that gay sex is pleasurable and acquiring a definite taste for it, and even ceasing to want or desire any other kind of sex, not just a mere abstract possibility but a concrete one?

          • Phil R

            Twin studies have proven beyond doubt that no one is born gay as the likelyhood for of both twins being gay is 6.7% for male and 5.3% for female identical twins. Sociological factors determine whether someone is gay or not.

            Thousands of men and women have testified to experiencing a change in their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Research confirms that such change does occur sometimes spontaneously, and sometimes as a result of therapeutic interventions.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Twin studies have NOT proven beyond doubt that no one is born gay. “Identical twins” is merely a colloquial expression. Monozygotic twins are not absolutely identical. See, for example:

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical

            That sociological factors determine whether someone is gay or not (or whether someone is straight or not) remains equally unproven. In short, as I have already said, the precise causes of people’s sexual orientation remain unknown.

            Yes, many people have testified to experiencing a change in their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual, and just as many have retracted their testimony, admitting that it was self-deception. The history of the “ex-gay” movement has been one long saga of such testimonies and retractations. I don’t know where you got your 34% success rate from, I’m sure. If there were a success rate like that, Professor Robert Spitzer, in a country the size of America with a gay adult population of at least 2.1 million, would not have had to search for the best part of two years to find as many as 200 people whose claim to have experienced such a change was even prima facie convincing enough to merit further investigation.

            I did not for one moment suggest that you were a repressed homosexual (nor did I think it) or that you should explore your newly developing homosexual desires. If you really thought that, then you cannot have read properly what I wrote. YOU said that people decide that homosexual sex is pleasurable and that they do not want or desire any other kind of sex (rather as you acquired a taste for olives). I was not suggesting that you should do that. What I was very reasonably asking you was whether you COULD do that (just as you acquired a taste for olives). After all, if it’s a matter of making a decision and persevering with it, there would be nothing to stop you, would there? The answer which you have now finally given amounts to an admission that you know perfectly well that such a thing is NOT a realistic possibility – and I didn’t for one moment think that it was – and that what you said before was claptrap.

            Neither a gay gene nor a straight gene has been discovered to date, and I don’t suppose that any such genes ever will be discovered. It is now generally agreed by experts in genetics that, IF there are genetic factors in sexual orientation, they will almost certainly not be traceable to single genes.

          • DanJ0

            I see you’ve added more.

            I knew I was different from about 9 years of age when one starts to have proto-sexual feelings. I was actually a late starter for sexual activity, being well into university at the time. I went through my entire puberty being completely uninterested in women, and turning down opportunities at various points. Where I was brought up, and at that time, homosexual activity was not on offer. I’ve turned down all offers of sex from women, including during freshers week, and at many times when drunk. I’ve never been attracted to women at all, and always been attracted to men. As such, it rather undermines your claim that I’ve decided that homosexual sex is pleasurable. The attraction, desire, and drive preceded any sexual experience by many years. This will not align with your deep-seated attitudes and beliefs so naturally you will imagine it away somehow in order to maintain your carefully-constructed pseudo-reality.

          • Phil R

            I’m not a phycologist BTW

    • Hi

      There’s a difference between being gay /homosexual and transgender. For example a man who says she’s a woman (pre operation) might say they’re straight , even though they fancy men (i.e. they’re a- from that person’s perspective- a heterosexual woman in the wrong body).

      • The Explorer

        Quite agree. I know of two men, originally married to women and with kids, who changed their sex and are now living together as lesbians, but that doesn’t have to be the pattern and it’s not my point.

        My point – a simple one, admittedly: so perhaps people are looking for it to be more profound than it is – is that SSM must be seen in the context of modern society’s conviction that the sex act can be divorced from reproduction: not temporarily, but permanently. Gender fluidity, likewise, must be seen in the context of postmodernism’s fluidity about everything.

        • Hi explorer

          You always come up with philosophical profound stuff, so perhaps I was looking too hard. Well after looking through IKEA kitchens with a friend I’m looking forward to whatever Sam and his crew, who have volunteered to cook for tonight, have cooked up for Shabbat……see you laters!

          • The Explorer

            Blessings to all.

      • IrishNeanderthal

        And there is a world of difference between a transsexual and a transvestite.

        I am on quite good terms (electronically, because she’s in the USA) with one of the former, but the English language does not provide me with enough derogatory terms to describe Grayson Perry.

        * * * * * *

        There was on the news a Trans Pride parade in Brighton, complaining that they were effectively squeezed out by the L/G lot. Apart from two or three who had dressed in high drag — which totally vitiated the point they were trying to make — everything seemed quite reasonable. Until Caroline Lucas came along. Now with her bizarre views and presentation she would be that last person to assist their cause in the eyes of reasonable minded people.

    • Gravity as a social construct. Hahahaha! I like that.

      • Politically__Incorrect

        Yes, but which gravity does he mean? Upward, downward, sideways or all of them at the same time (the latter can make quite messy)? We should respect the diversity of gravity and let it pull in whichever direction we believe it should.

      • Anton

        I’ve made that same point in the “science wars” between scientists and absurd academic postmodernist “philosophers” who say that science is just a social construct. These people conflate the laws of physics with the doing of research into those laws, which is of course a fallible human activity but doesn’t mean that there is no truth to be found.

        Google “Sokal hoax” for a fightback against these clowns.

  • Royinsouthwest

    All these proposals seem to come from people with left-wing views. Why on earth are they so estranged from nature? The left wasn’t perverted in that way when they genuinely identified with and tried to represent the working class. Not many coal miners, steel workers, ship builders etc. had any doubts about their “gender.” Why is the left so insane today?

    Unfortunately these mad ideas gradually seep from the left into the political centre as people within the media try to make those ideas seem mainstream. Even supposedly right-wing newspapers like the Telegraph seem to be infiltrated by new journalists who have been indoctrinated with political correctness at university.

    • David

      That’s right. You’ve correctly identified the process. Why from the left ? Two reasons from my point of view, which are linked. It’s wrapped up with their need for “victims”, which are political “clients”, and defining themselves against both Christian norms of our nature and Enlightenment norms of evidence. So having lost footholds in both spiritual revealed truth, and physical, scientifically revealed truth, they’re spinning off into an internal world of unreality. That is a very simplified explanation obviously, but the best I can do in a few short sentences. Postmodernism and relativism is behind this I think.

  • CliveM

    I think people aren’t looking at this rationally. I see an opportunity!

    So I have decided to self identify as a multi millionaire, babe magnet,

    Suspect it won’t make any difference however.

    • Albert

      If that’s how you feel CliveM don’t let anyone tell you it isn’t so. You need to be authentic to yourself. Don’t let anyone treat you differently from how you identify yourself.

      • CliveM

        I suspect getting the wife to agree with my self identification will be ‘problematic’………..

        • Albert

          If your wife identifies as a babe who wants to be with a multi millionaire I can see no problem. It would still be okay provided she wants to identify herself as a babe who wants to be with a man who identifies as a multi millionaire, babe magnet, even if she identifies him as something else.

          The possibilities are endless and you can walk off into what you identify as a beautiful sunset.

          • The Explorer

            If she starts to spend like the babe of a multi millionaire there could be problems. Unless the bank can be persuaded to collaborate in the fantasy.

          • Albert

            Unless the bank can be persuaded to collaborate in the fantasy.

            Fantasy?! I find the way you are oppressing CliveM’s wife very offensive. It she wants to identify as a babe married to a multi millionaire babe magnet, that’s her right, and it is none of your business, except insofar as it impinges on you, in which case you will have to accept that she is what she identifies herself as and act accordingly. So if she identifies as bank account holder X, who has millions in her bank account, you have no right to deny her her identity. If you run the bank, you must give her the money of that account.

            I identified as Bill Gates last week, and now I’m typing this from my luxury yacht, I just bought. Next week I will identify as David Cameron and run the country for a spell, and after that, I think I will identify as Lionel Messi and score superb goals.

            It’s my right.

          • The Explorer

            Abject apologies. An unforgivable lapse of vocabulary on my part. Somehow, I couldn’t find the appropriate word. Not to put too fine a point on it, I still can’t. But the fault lies with the limitations of my particular lexicon. Nothing to do with Clive’s babe’s situation.

          • Albert

            I’m afraid you are going to have to be sent away for re-education. And to think if you had only grasped all this stuff the way you ought to have done, you could be pretending to be Bill Gates now…

          • CliveM

            I’m considering my legal options!

          • dannybhoy

            You’re identifying as a lawyer now?

          • CliveM

            Now but I can now afford the best.

          • CliveM

            I think self identification is the way ahead. Life will be enriched.

          • Albert

            But what if someone identifies as richer than you, and you identify as richer than him?

          • carl jacobs

            Silly Albert. Then they are both richer than each other.

          • Albert

            My head hurts. I think I need to go back to the psychiatrist.

          • CliveM

            Well as identity is fluid, I would self identify as a Russian Oligarch.

            Wealthy babe magnet, with a scary background.

        • carl jacobs

          Simply re-imagine yourself as inherently polygamous. That way you can attract a whole new set of female types from newer generations. She’ll understand.

          • CliveM

            Good idea. Life is full of opportunities.

          • Albert

            If he identifies like that, she has no right not to understand.

    • dannybhoy

      I thought you were!
      A multimillionaire I mean.
      Now that I have been cruelly disillusioned, there is no further reason for me to continue being especially nice to you……. ;0)

      • CliveM

        You have been?

        • dannybhoy

          Totally and without prejudice!

          • CliveM

            Actually as I now self identify as one, I expect you to treat me accordingly.

          • dannybhoy

            You know, if you’re going to continue your dream as a babe magnet, you’ll be expected to act as a judge, and this is what you can expect..
            http://i.imgur.com/Z8LZuHT.jpg
            I don’t think you’d want to upset his momma!

    • The Explorer

      What gender are the babes?

  • IanCad

    Richard Cairns, Ashley Harrold

    Do we need any better reasons to Homeschool than these two weirdos?
    It is still legal, it won’t be for much longer.

  • Woman claims to be a cat: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430434/cat-trapped-woman-body-norway

    Come on, all you bachelors, who wants to clean this pretty lady’s litter box? Think of the cheap dates, less than the price of a pack of smokes; a can of Fancy Feast for dinner and chase the red laser dot games instead of theatre or the movies.

    • carl jacobs

      And where have YOU been?

      • Um, is this a Yankee pickup line?

        • Anton

          It’s a reference to the fact that this woman has already been discussed on this thread.

          • Oops, missed that.

          • Jack got your missal from Canada, Avi. Took him a while to decipher it but it was well worth the effort. Many thanks.

          • Glad you got it; it was fun making it and sorry for my lousy hand-writing; with all my devices, it’s a mericle my autonomic system remembers how to hold a pen. Good to see you back and in form, Jack. Really good.

          • Thanks, Avi.

        • carl jacobs

          No. It’s merely a question asking about why you haven’t been around since … Oh … New Years.

          • “Out of town,” for a public forum will have to do, but thanks for asking. All’s well, otherwise.

          • carl jacobs

            Ah. Secret Mossad mission into Egypt. I fully grasp why you can’t talk about it. I shouldn’t have asked…

          • Iranian quisine is more to my taste.

          • carl jacobs

            So that’s why those guys were released…

          • dannybhoy

            Quisine?
            This is a Canadian word??

      • dannybhoy

        Yeah! Where’ve you been Barzel??

        • I have a life too, you know…when my wife allows me to.

          • dannybhoy

            You have a life Avi, or perhaps you only identify as having a life…

          • It’s billing and invoicing time at the Barzel chambers and I’m wondering if I can stretch my self-identification and inflate my self-worth by adding a a few zeros here and there….

          • dannybhoy

            We’ve missed you Avi.
            That unique cultured Canadian wit; that incisive intellect laced with Czechoslovakian folk humour..
            :0)

          • carl jacobs

            “Canadian wit”?

          • “incisive intellect” ?

          • dannybhoy

            Hey,
            He’s been away a while.
            Let him settle back in before unleashing the insults…

          • (COUGH)

            “Quisine?
            This is a Canadian word??

          • carl jacobs

            You realize Canada is the perfect place to hide a deep reserve Mossad agent. Who would suspect a Canadian of knowing 49 ways to kill with a paper clip?

            [You really can’t help but love Ziva]

          • dannybhoy

            Sounds more like that ghastly Adam Sandler movie, “You don’t mess with the Zohan.”
            One of Sandler’s worst..

          • CliveM

            Is their a good one?

            Cannot stand the man. He has dead eyes.

          • dannybhoy

            Well two of his best afaiac are Punch Drunk Love and (I think his best), Reign Over Me.
            For laughs I enjoyed The Waterboy, and Spanglish was pretty good.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            That sounds like something from the tales of Nasreddin Hodja.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      “Woman claims to be a cat”
      Could be quite a catch for a single guy. Cheap to feed (whiskas and a bowl of milk each day). Let her out at night so he can watch his favourite television programmes instead of hers. He gets the double bed and she gets the cardboard box…

      • CliveM

        Yes but the litter tray would be unpleasant.

    • Albert

      Presumably she will be able to change her birth certificate and have species realignment therapy on the NHS. If not, then I think we need to start a campaign for transpecied errrr…people (?).

      In all seriousness, this looks no more bonkers than same-sex marriage or transexualism looked about 30 years ago.

      • People !? How terribly homocentric of you.
        Beings more like.

        • Albert

          I hang my head in shame and confusion.

          • Can she marry a dog? This is the question.

          • Albert

            An interesting question given the judgement today that a heterosexual couple cannot have a Civil Partnership. It turns out equality doesn’t count, after all. Now there’s a surprise.

          • Then one of the couple should claim to be of the same sex as the intended civil partner. To deny this would then be discrimination.

          • Albert

            That’s a superb solution, but it rather colludes with the injustice than overturns it.

          • Albert

            The hilarious thing is that the reason is that a heterosexual couple can get all the benefits and protections of Civil Partnership from marriage. Where was that argument when it was so important to open the possibility of “marriage” to same sex couples?

            As usual, with secular, liberal fundamentalism, there’s no consistency.

          • Anton

            There is a superb dissection of the inconsistencies of secular multiculturalism in a new book, “Choosing Sharia” by Machtheld Zee. She is a Dutch academic who was permitted to sit in on some British Sharia court proceedings regarding marriage and divorce in this parallel legal system (which denies it is one, using multiculturalists as useful idiots).

          • Anton

            Adultery, which is citable in English law as ground for divorce, is still (I believe) defined as heterosexual penetration. This rampantly discriminatory definition was retained because of the difficulty of defining acts constituting homosexual adultery. A Freedom of Information request for the minutes of the relevant drafting committee might elicit a priceless comedy script.

          • Albert

            What a good idea! As I’ve just said to Happy Jack, there’s no consistency in all this!

    • sarky

      The inspector identifies as a christian. Does that make him one? ??

      • Anton

        Interesting question. What do you think the definition is?

        • sarky

          Someone who has repented their sins and given their life to christ.

          ‘Or’

          A bunch of bigots clinging on to a long dead religion.

          • Inspector General

            You’ll be long dead and Christianity will be alive and well…

          • Anton
          • sarky

            So, you start at a point of your religion being the only true one and use your holy book as the evidence for this. I can’t see a problem with that at all.

          • Anton

            That *isn’t* where the article started. It began by pointing out differences between religions and (in those diagrams) something that made Christianity different.

      • DanJ0

        Heh

        • DanJ0

          Actually, that applies to everyone who identifies as a Christian. Obviously self-identifying Christians should be protected from harm and unjust discrimination but that doesn’t mean the rest of us ought to pretend what they say is true.

          • Inspector General

            Have YOU self identified as a homosexual at your work yet? We’ll assume no then…

          • DanJ0

            No need so far. That may change though as I may be asked to work in Saudi at some point. I shall refuse and, if necessary, give a reason why someone like me would not want to be subject to their law.

          • Inspector General

            Saudi!

            {Squeals of delight}

            Well it’s goodbye then….{Howls of laughter}

          • DanJ0

            You need to learn to read for comprehension. I have no intention of setting foot in Saudi.

          • Inspector General

            On a more serious note. There are fellows who disagree with the idea of racial hierarchy and racial traits. One presumes you are no longer one of them…

          • Phil R

            So how does this work?

            Inspector howls with laughter at the prospect of your demise . (No homophobic… bigots or long rants etc or insulting comments)

            Favouritism!

          • DanJ0

            The Inspector is essentially a harmless troll here, and he has had both barrels from me many times. Those two facts means that he’s generally not worth the effort any more.

          • But he may not consider himself to be homosexual at work. He might be fluid in this respect. Or, he could self identify as feminine at work and, if so, would she be homosexual at all.

          • DanJ0

            I’m homosexual wherever I go as my sexual orientation is as core to me as it is to anyone else. I’m also naturally masculine. Probably more so than you, I guess, given your photograph. I can camp it up for a laugh online, and do sometimes, but I can’t really do it in real life.

          • Touchy, touchy …. Do calm down.

          • DanJ0

            To be fair, it was probably the hat more than anything else. Slightly reminiscent of Quentin Crisp, you see. Am I just imagining a cravat now? I can’t remember exactly.

          • Calm down … calm down.

          • DanJ0

            I’m very liberal and accepting, you know. Some blokes rock being flamboyant! There’s room for all of us.

          • So do you associate flamboyancy with femininity and homosexuality? How old fashioned of you.

          • DanJ0

            You still struggle with this interpretation stuff, I see.

          • Not at all. It’s clear this is what you meant.

            “I’m also naturally masculine. Probably more so than you, I guess, given your photograph.”

            “To be fair, it was probably the hat more than anything else. Slightly reminiscent of Quentin Crisp, you see. Am I just imagining a cravat now?”

            “I’m very liberal and accepting, you know. Some blokes rock being flamboyant! There’s room for all of us.”

          • DanJ0

            Having seen your rather flamboyant photograph, I appear to be more masculine that you. Quentin Crisp was both flamboyant and quite feminine. Your picture was quite reminiscent of Quentin Crisp, suggesting personal flamboyancy and a touch of the feminine in you. Also, you don’t seem to be reacting very well to the Quentin Crisp thing now. Are you of a rather sensitive disposition too by any chance? There’s nothing wrong with a man channeling his feminine side, you know. You could even call yourself a ‘modern man’ by doing that, and women often seem to love that sort of thing. It’s ‘non-threatening’, I think; like you’re one of the girls.

          • You’ve made an awful lot out of a summer straw hat. Jack was just drawing attention to your narrow minded way of thinking. Equating a hat with flamboyance and femininity. Very strange.

          • DanJ0

            Do you often wear a hat when you’re out and about, and do you favour a particular style? If you’re uncomfortable being thought of as flamboyant then perhaps you could self-identify as having panache instead? That might work. Possibly.

          • Jack always wears a hat or cap when out and about. It keeps one’s head warm and adds a touch of style. He doesn’t mind being considered flamboyant at all. It was your attempt to associate this with a lack of masculinity and/or homosexuality that attracted Jack’s comments. You seem preoccupied with masculinity. Why is that?

          • DanJ0

            I like my men masculine! Hatted a bit like Quentin Crisp? Not so much.

          • Hmm ….

      • Self identification and community and institutional acknowledgement would make him such. The problem is when people self-identify and then demand to be accepted into a community with its criteria.

      • Inspector General

        Yes it bloody well does!

  • Albert

    If I suffer from clinical depression and I then identify as not depressed, will that cure my depression?

    • The Explorer

      Yes. I’m identifying as your psychiatrist.

      • Albert

        Does that give you expertise in the field?

        • The Explorer

          Those who identified as my examiners said it did.

          • Albert

            Well that was the cheapest and quickest piece of therapy in history. I’m now cured of clinical depression!

          • carl jacobs

            You haven’t got his bill, yet. He gets to demand payment for services rendered

          • Albert

            But what if I now identify as someone other than the person who received the treatment?

          • carl jacobs

            He still identified you as the treated person. So your self-identification doesn’t matter.

          • Albert

            Don’t you oppress me you nasty bigoted transpeciesphobic person. I’m now a cat, and cats cannot have psychotherapy and so I do not have to pay for therapy I have not had.

          • carl jacobs

            nasty bigoted transpeciesphobic person.

            Blah blah, blah. None of this applies when there is money on the table. Pay up. You are accruing interest.

          • Albert

            I now identify as a mouse and have eaten all my money.

          • carl jacobs

            Mouse or man or manganese ore deposit, you still owe the money. You can’t “identify” your debts away. Warping reality has its limits, and the limit is “I want my money “

          • Albert

            Bigot.

          • carl jacobs

            I’ll live with that crushing denunciation as long as I get my money.

          • Albert

            One thing I think we can both truly identify here, is that we have really exposed the silliness of all this stuff. People who have mistaken beliefs about who or what they are certainly deserve protection from harm and unjust discrimination. But what they don’t deserve is the right to require us to pretend that what they say is true.

  • The Explorer

    In ‘The Frog Prince’ there’s a prince trapped in a frog body. In ‘Snow White and Rose Red’ there’s a prince trapped in a bear body. In ‘Beauty and the Beast; there’s a prince trapped in a lion body. Except for the fact that princes don’t feature much in the modern version, fantasy has come to town and turned into reality.

    • Albert

      Time for revisionists to unearth all of this transpecism in our culture. It’s been suppressed or ignored.

      Transpecies of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your humanity!

    • carl jacobs

      The Beast wasn’t a Lion. And can you believe that obnoxious Disney-fied ending? The Beast should prove his love by dying for Belle. Then he becomes the Prince again after he is dead to prove his love was authentic. And Belle lives out her life in inconsolable sorrow. That’s a good ending.

      • The Explorer

        Never seen the film. Have the story in two illustrated versions: in one, the beast looks like a lion, in the other, like a wild boar, Could be either or neither or both: the point is, a human is trapped in a non-human body,

        • Anton

          Not the best scene in that film. Lee Ermey’s introductory monologue to the new recruits is a classic. Carl might tell us how accurate it is.

          • sarky

            Lee Ermey was a drill sergent – so pretty accurate I guess.

  • Inspector General

    The Inspector cannot find any obvious connection between Brighton college and the Green Party. And the school’s website has yet to be updated to reflect the new degenerate policy on uniform. Further, your man here suspects the whole exercise has been one of cunning self-promotion of said establishment, under the maxim “there is no such thing as negative publicity”. So well done headmaster.

    Continuing on a bizarre note, the Inspector finds that ‘Cat Woman’ has been featured on Pink News, which has angered the trannys thereon who believe the article is mocking them. As for the Cat Woman herself, the sooner someone gets her pregnant, the better. Same applies to miserable Cranmer correspondent Hannah, who doesn’t seem able to go through a week without coming here to whine about something. Both need helpless newborns to occupy their time, as God intended for the unfathomable female brain, and to replace the current number one priority in their lives, to wit, their inane selves…

    • HedgehogFive

      Pink and Green.

      What a dreadful colour combination.

  • Linus

    ‘Allo, ‘allo Eenglish pig-dogs. Je suis retournee avec mon pissoire.
    Having self-identified as multiple personalities in recent months, I would like to confess my sins.
    Here’s the truth: Everything in the bible is true. Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. Without him we have no hope of eternal salvation. Confess your sins to God and cast yourself upon his mercy. You’ll never regret it.
    How’s that for the plastic nature of self-definition?

    • Linus

      Bonne chagrin …. Comment osez-vous …. Imposteur

      Je suis Linus retourné à apporter un peu de l’esprit et de l’intelligence à ce blog.

    • Inspector General

      Alright, which of you regular blighters here is responsible for this?

      • Inspecteur Général

        Eh?

      • CliveM

        Hmm what happened to Inspecteur Gènèral?

        Someone, I don’t know who, has been on the sauce.

        • Inspector General

          It has all the droppings of that damn bird about it…

          • CliveM

            Come on, spit it out man, don’t beat about the bush?

          • Inspector General

            Well you asked for it. Dodo is not quite as dead as we had hoped…

          • CliveM

            “Gasp” No!

        • chiefofsinners

          This is down to the Scotch, one way or another.

      • Linus

        I owe you an eternal debt of gratitude. It is the sheer towering genius of the inspectorate that has finally convinced me to sheath my baguette. Is there yet room in your heart for a repentant sinner?

      • Anton

        Calling Your Grace… Can you confirm that you have a policy of not permitting a name used formerly here to be taken by someone with a different online ID from that name’s original user?

        • It would be impossible to verify with absolute certainty. It is possible that the Linus of old has relocated from France (Ilse-de France, Juziers, on Orange S.a.) to the UK (Scotland, Cellardyke / Dumfries, on Plusnet plc). Linus and his friends may make the odd visit to Moscow, but he has never been to the UK.

          • Anton

            Thank you.

          • Inspector General

            hmmm. Dodo used to broadcast from Scotland…

          • Anton

            More specifically, he said that he resides in the only parliamentary constituency in Scotland to be Tory after the 2015 General Election. That constituency is Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale…

          • The Explorer

            Maybe Linus is hunting down Happy Jack to settle old internet scores. (I concede that a more obvious explanation is also possible.)

          • CliveM

            Strangely what I find more interesting is that Linus was telling us the truth about his location at least. So Linus, Bob, etc do have least a French connection.

          • chiefofsinners

            Hmm. FCUK as they say.
            The more we find out, the less we know.

          • Is it you Chief, posing as the Frenchie?

          • chiefofsinners

            In the spirit of Cranmer’s excellent article, I think we should allow Lienus to self-identify.

          • CliveM

            Well we know he lives in Franc!.

            I’m in a pub. Sign of the times, there is a couple close by, she’s downing the pints, he’s drinking glasses of white wine.

            Things have changed!

          • Pubcrawler

            *speechless*

          • CliveM

            I know. Has the man no shame?

          • Lienus

            It’s vin blanc, actually. And I’ll thank you to get out of my pub. Ruddy Christians. Is nowhere sacred?

          • CliveM

            But you’re in Fife. The pub I’m in is literally 100’s of miles away. You’re mistaking me for someone else.

            It would be interesting to know who you are?

          • Pubcrawler

            I’ve been to one or two pubs in Fife. None of them the sort of place you’d find the chaps drinking white wine.

          • Lienus

            My name is Ozylinus, Queen of Queens. Look on my works ye mighty, and despair.

          • The Explorer

            We’re enjoying your works. Keep them coming.

          • Is it you, Explorer?

          • The Explorer

            It would be, if I’d thought of it – it’s my sort of humour, and I love the avatar – but, no, it isn’t me.

          • It is very funny. You were the only regular Jack suspected. Now who could it be?

          • Dodo stopped posting in 2013. Happy Jack lives in Scotland. He is innocent of posting as Linus or Lienus – but did self identify and post as a French Inspecteur General. All done in the best possible taste.

          • Anton

            Quite a coincidence that you are in the Dumfries electoral constituency and that Linus2016 posted from there if I read His Grace correctly, but I believe you would not lie, and I do recall Linus2015 saying that he had Scottish as well as French connections.

          • Your Grace – sorry to trouble you but can you confirm the location of the person currently posting as Lienus? Many thanks.

          • Lienus

            They seek him here, they seek him there
            They seek that Frenchie everywhere
            Is he in heaven or is he in hell?
            He doesn’t believe in either.

          • The Explorer

            Alternative last line:
            That damned elusive infidel.

          • Lienus

            You know how much it upsets me when other people are cleverer than I am.
            Bitch-slapped by the Christians again.

          • Cellardyke is more than 120 miles from Dumfries. It’s quite possible His Grace is referring to two different people. One posting from South West Scotland and the other from Fife.

          • chiefofsinners

            Keep wriggling Jacques. If you’ve been framed then it’s a decent job. Even the Inspector is going all Dodo-eyed.

          • Jack would love to take the credit but alas he cannot. His Grace can confirm Jack’s internet provider is not PlusNet.

          • CliveM

            Have to say whoever it is has done a good job.

            Must confess I thought it was you! After a dram to many.

          • Jack wished he’d thought of it …. and he is alcohol free these days. However, he was the French Inspecteur General.

          • Lienus

            I thought we had an understanding: You would not reveal my whereabouts and I would not publish those photographs…

          • Ah, Lienus.
            Very good.

        • Lienus

          I trust that the new arrangement meets your requirements.

          • Anton

            Savez vous ce que “Jacquerie” veut dire?

          • A quick Google search reveals:

            “Jacquerie, insurrection of peasants against the nobility in northeastern France in 1358—so named from the nobles’ habit of referring contemptuously to any peasant as Jacques, or Jacques Bonhomme. The Jacquerie occurred at a critical moment of the Hundred Years’ War.”

          • Lienus

            Zee peasants are revolting…

  • Bernard101

    This is a form of child abuse

    • It certainly is.

    • magnolia

      Though children with a sense of humour and satire must be having a field day!! As an adult I would be highly tempted to send it up by ticking at least six boxes and leaving them to try to work it out, which would take these humourless, and I would suggest lacking in commonsense and common observation people a long time of serious perplexed consideration to not understand.

      I guess the other private schools in Brighton will do well out of it……

  • The Explorer

    Back in the 70’s I read the book ‘Conundrum’ about how James Morris became Jan Morris. His conviction that he was a woman trapped in a male body seemed perfectly genuine, and his willingness to undergo a then very dangerous and difficult transition seemed nothing if not courageous: not the sort of thing you’d do unless you felt you absolutely had to.

    Now, however, there seem to be those for whom the motive is not to miss out on something experienced by others. If they’ve got it, I want it: regardless of what it is.

    An epicure dining at Crewe
    Found quite a large mouse in his stew.
    Said the waiter, “Don’t shout.
    And wave it about,
    Or the rest will be wanting one, too.”

    • Inspector General

      Pink News has the number of adult men who believe they would be better off as fake women coming forward at over 600 annually in the UK. It seems to be a form of hysteria, as the numbers have surged in recent years, leading to a lack of resources in the NHS. One recalls at one time, there was a single surgeon carrying out the whatever.

      However, the Inspectorate was startled to learn that the final procedure, removal of the ‘auld fella’, does not necessarily happen. Typically, it would be around 5 to 10 years after the transition starts, but in many cases, it is retained. Hence the outcry from real women who do not wish to share changing room facilities with these sad deranged specimens of weak humanity…

      • The Explorer

        Thank you. Interesting to have some idea of the annual figure. and a sort of hysteria is the impression I get. Hence the limerick.

        If the operation were not available on the NHs, one imagines the numbers might drop substantially. However, those in genuine need might be the ones unable to afford it.

      • magnolia

        Meanwhile people with life -threatening illnesses get put on long waiting lists while some of those who are medically trained prefer to look into this more exotic left-field branch of medicine.

        Go figure…..

        • Inspector General

          It could be argued that man-to-woman whatever is a life threatening condition in itself. It is an established fact that in many cases as soon as the bruising disappears and the surgeon’s marker pen is no longer visible, they go on the whore with their new bodies. You see, these unfortunates still posses a male sex drive. That can’t be cut out or hormoned away. And when the punter twigs…

          Anyway, Big Gay want an annual ‘Trans Remembrance Day’ to mark the slaughter…

      • Six hundred annually coming forward, that’s quite a lot Inspector. It makes me wonder what are people eating to give such numbers of neurologically challenged people especially males? Could it be all the Oestrogen present in so much food stuffs especially processed food and its plastic packaging that is interfering with the brain function in-turn affecting testosterone levels?

        Ones self perception is connected to the cross links between brain regions according to a study by Georg S Kranz at MedUni Vienna.

        “Trans-gender persons as well as female and male control subjects were examined by way of diffusion-based magnetic resonance tomography (MRT). The examination revealed significant differences in the microstructure of the brain connections between male and female control subjects. Transgender persons took up a middle position between both genders.

        It was furthermore possible to detect a strong relationship between the microstructure connections among these networks and the testosterone level measured in the blood. Lanzenberger: “These results suggest that the gender identity is reflected in the structure of brain networks which form under the modulating influence of sex hormones in the course of the development of the nervous system.” “

        http://www.meduniwien.ac.at/homepage/1/news-and-topstories/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5379

        • Inspector General

          Good evening Marie. It is unlikely that Big Gay will give much credence to the idea that victims minds are being poisoned by oestrogen. It would undermine their case for, oh God, it’s that damn equality thing again. It might even be the situation that anyone suggesting the possibility is guilty of hate thought. A serious crime which will have the Gaystapo after you.

          Of the 600+, not all are accepted, though one does not have figures. But many do change their mind, and some are no doubt convinced by psychiatrists that they are mentally ill at worst, or unable to trust in their own judgment at least.

          The Inspector’s own issue contributing idea is that we as a society have smaller families with both parents working, and a tendency to be indulged as a child from a young age to compensate. Your every whim granted, almost. Carry that on into adulthood and nothing is beyond grasp. Interestingly, not every tranny is a male homosexual. On transitioning, it is not unknown for the patient to identify as a lesbian, as in the case of that former UKIP MEP being investigated for fraud. One has no opinion about female-to-male cases. No data on them. They are rare animals it seems…

        • magnolia

          There is also a possibility that the mother strongly wanted a child of a different gender, or that the father was drunk and/or abusive so the child didn’t wish to identify with men, or a female or male relation had a possessive relationship with the boy or girl, as sometimes people are in thrall to the will of a living (or less often dead) relation.

          And these are just a few possibilities. None of those should be dealt with by surgery, but how many professionals are willing to sit patiently and go through scores of other potential treatments, and how many clients are even able to pay sometimes exorbitant fees to explore other solutions before deciding on this drastic course?

          • Inspector General

            From an accountancy point of view, Mags, it is cheaper in the long run to get the knife out now and get it over with, than years of counselling from psychiatrists and the like.

          • Ivan M

            According to Naomi Klein the reason why Brazil has so many transsexuals is due to the mothers taking revenge on their fathers’ excessive machismo by raising effeminate boys.

    • dannybhoy

      There is such thing as a ‘herd mentality’. Even the Scriptures recognise that some are as ‘brute beasts’ 2 Peter 2:12

    • IrishNeanderthal

      Recently I came across a book by Jan Morris, recording his=>her travelling notes over 40 or more years.

      Something he wrote ca. 1955 concerned the poem Americanisation by G.K.Chesterton, which begins

      Britannia needs no Boulevards,
      No spaces wide and gay:

      The gist of which goes: we don’t need to Frenchify ourselves, we don’t need to Russify ourselves, so why should we Americanize ourselves?

      Now M.Morris is rather haughtily imagining a “Little Englander” in Paris, who seems to take a dislike to the place. He goes on to say:

      All this upsets our Chestertonian, who, reflecting that Britannia needs no boulevards, no spaces wide and gay, feels it somehow irritating that the French should need them either.

      This is totally unfair to Chesterton, who revelled in the Frenchness of the French, and even — with reservations about Prussia — the Germanness of the Germans.

      The Chesterton poem is short, and worth reading. But I quote this as an example of journalists imposing their own preconceptions.

      • The Explorer

        Yes. Morris was a pretty famous travel writer in the 70’s with a classic about Oxford, and a prize for his book about Venice. Married, as I remember, and with kids. Then came ‘Conundrum’ which shocked many, including me.

        • Royinsouthwest

          James Morris was the journalist who accompanied the first successful expedition to climb Everest in 1953. As Jan Morris she is a very good writer. I don’t know how his wife and children reacted to his sex change. It must have been traumatic for all concerned.

          Sex is an objective biological fact, barring a few unfortunate genetic anomalies that might cloud the issue. Therefore many people who have sex change operations probably have nothing wrong with their body but there must be something wrong with their minds for thinking that they are the wrong sex.

          It must be tragic to be in a situation where it seems better to change your body surgically than to change your mind. People in that position deserve sympathy but people like that head teacher Richard Cairns should be sacked. They are trying to make it fashionable to be mentally ill and therefore are not helping anyone.

          • Merchantman

            In the good old days the Gender benders could have been slammed up for corrupting public morals or some such.
            Maybe the schools inspectors can fire the head thingy.

          • Ivan M

            You can’t be too hard on them. Some may be faking it, but there must be many others who genuinely feel trapped in a different body. I had a friend who changed his sex and is now living as a lesbian. When I was a student he showed no signs of it to me, though some others claimed to have picked it. For his parents he was an only son. His father who sported a by then dated Elvis Presley haircut dropped him at school everyday. Whenever I think of him it is with sadness at what he must have gone through.

          • Apparently, Morris travelled to Morocco in 1972 to undergo sex reassignment surgery because doctors in Britain refused to allow the procedure unless he and his wife divorced, something Morris was not prepared to do at the time. They divorced later but continued to live together in the family home. On 14 May 2008 they were legally reunited when they formally entered into a civil partnership. Now same sex marriage is permissible, maybe they’ll marry again.

          • Ivan M

            It is hard to say what goes through someone’s mind. For example the famous economist Dierdre McCloskey was a man at one time. Reading her or Jan Morris who has a book on technology out now shows them to be very reasonable people.

  • magnolia

    What does “non-binary” mean? Duodecimal, decimal, fragmented, doesn’t engage in meaningful relationships with a computer??? What the…..

    I think if I were at school I might wonder what bunch of descriptors gained the greatest advantage and were given most leeway!!

    Perhaps a “non-binary, gender non-conforming, trigender, intersex, gender-fluid agender” description would have them all guessing and treading extremely carefully, even tiptoeing over eggshells. After all there are so many ways one could be an offended victim in that lot!

  • chiefofsinners

    Those who favour the old social order, who are concerned about deism in the priestly guardians of education, should offer their services as foundation governors at their local Church of England school, where it can be very difficult to find enough high quality volunteers.

  • Inspector General

    Article on Pink News now…

    “Trans pageant criticised for offering gender reassignment surgery as top prize”

    Get your wallets out, chaps, and buy those tickets while you still can…

  • Inspector General

    Inspector General • 22 minutes ago

    The Inspector has been subjected to another virus attack by the on line Gaystapo. He wishes to inform said criminals (it is an offence to send malicious programs over the net) that this time it was only 2 hours as opposed to 2 weeks in 2014. Saints be praised – the Inspectorate has counter measures in place.

    No stopping a fellow now, what!

    • Phil R

      How do they manage to send a virus through a blog?

      Or did they find your Email somehow and target that?

    • DanJ0

      Have you been surfing gay porn on sites with a .ru domain again?