Gavin Ashenden
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Rev’d Dr Gavin Ashenden resigns as Chaplain to the Queen

After a conversation instigated by officials at Buckingham Palace, it is with regret that the Rev’d Dr Gavin Ashenden – theologian, academic, columnist and occasional contributor to this blog – has decided to resign his position as Chaplain to the Queen. It was, he says, “the most honourable course of action” following “attempts to silence or defenestrate” him.

He explains:

I have held the position for the last nine years. But over the last few years people who objected to my defending the Christian faith in public wrote to both Lambeth Palace and Buckingham Palace to try to get the association ended.

When I was confronted with these attempts to silence or defenestrate me, my reaction was to ask “in what way is a priest defending the faith on behalf of a monarch who was Defender of the Faith, incongruous or improper?”

I have come to see that the situation is more complex than that. There is a very important convention that the Queen should not be drawn into public affairs where she is deemed to be taking a position. She needs to be above ‘positions’. That is how the monarchy rides out political turbulence.

It is sometimes assumed, wrongly by under-informed people, that if a chaplain to the Queen (one of her many chaplains) speaks out on an issue of public importance, that he does so because he has the Queen’s ear. The newspapers certainly like to imply something of the kind. It makes news.

But of course none of the chaplains do have the Queen’s ear, and if they did, they would never say so.

But, it does the Queen no good at all for it to be assumed by any of the public, or the fourth estate, that she does have a view that is being expressed by someone connected with her.

That being the case, I could most easily avoid any misunderstanding by not speaking out in the public space on matters of faith that I took to be important. This would have the effect of silencing me and prohibiting me taking part in public debate.

On the other hand, if I did choose to speak out, as a matter of integrity and responsibility, I ought not to do it while I was in possession of the office of ‘Chaplain to the Queen’.

Because I think it a higher and more compelling duty to speak out on behalf of the faith, than to retain a public honour which precludes me doing so at this time, I resigned my post.

Gavin Ashenden is a man of integrity; a Christian leader of holy devotion and doctrinal conviction. He speaks truth, and does so without compromise on diverse matters for BBC Radio 4, and most recently in a letter to The Times about the Qur’an in the Cathedral saga at St Mary’s, Glasgow. There is right and wrong, good and evil; Christ and Antichrist, prophets and false prophets. Does a chaplain to the Queen not have a moral duty and theological vocation to defend the faith of the Defender of the Faith?

Gavin Ashenden is not of the contemporary managerial episcopal mould: in another era, under a different discernment, he would have been a very senior bishop indeed; even an archbishop. As the Very Rev’d Martyn Percy has noted, the Church of England needs inspirational theologian-bishops to pastor the flock: they must teach diligently and care deeply; not manage processes or supervise evangelism programmes. Gavin Ashenden is in tune with the Holy Spirit; his ear inclines toward the Paraclete of divine transcendence. There is no easy place for him or his like in a church of corporate fashions, trendy fads and bright new ideas. He prefers the ancient paths, where the good way is, and walks in it, and finds rest for his soul.

When one is faced with “attempts to silence or defenestrate”, one has a choice: to resign honourably or wait nervously for the axe to fall, and thereby suffer a martyr’s fate. For the sake and style of Her Majesty the Queen, Gavin Ashenden chose to resign. That is an honourable decision worthy of respect. He has lost a parochial church title, but gained a world of freedom to help save the soul of the church. Please pray for him, and God bless him.

  • 1642again

    Shocking, but not in the least surprising.

    • Brian Alexander

      Well, at least, not the least surprising.

  • AncientBriton

    Three cheers for Dr Ashenden.

  • Dreadnaught

    Christianity and the CoE in particular are in dire need of a Farage or Trump moment when one individual with sufficient charisma to draw attention, takes to his feet and pulpit to call for a rejection of treating Islam as a force for good in this Country.
    The so-called spike in hate crime and anti-semetism do not identify the religion of majority of the perpetrators who can point to passages in the Koran that ‘radicalises’ condones their action.
    Allowing that cult to platform their bile in the highest churches during Cristian services through ignorance of Arabic is ludicrous, if not sucidal for everything that Christianity teaches: if an athesist can see that, why can’t the Archbishop of Cantabury and the rest of his clerics?

    • 1642again

      Agreed. But this isn’t about atheist versus Christian, this is about elites versus normal people in every institution.

      • Dreadnaught

        I never suggest anything of the sort.

        • 1642again

          Apologies if I gave that impression. I was agreeing with you and expanding on your point, not saying otherwise.

  • Old men plant trees

    The Queen’s faith is housed in a temple most private. Our brother has sacrificed an appointment to the hollow crown and church architecture that adorn our state; only God knows what service Gavin Ashenden’s acts will still render to the possessor of that private temple.

    • Anton

      The tragedy is that the media will not be interested in Dr Ashenden’s fine words of wisdom now that he is no longer able to continue as one of HM’s Chaplains.

      • SimonToo

        Maybe, but that seems to be at the heart of his reasoning for resigning.

    • Intonsus

      Not that private: “Jesus Christ lived obscurely for most of his life, and never travelled
      far. He was maligned and rejected by many, though he had done no wrong.
      And yet, billions of people now follow his teaching and find in him the
      guiding light for their lives. I am one of them because Christ’s example
      helps me see the value of doing small things with great love, whoever
      does them and whatever they themselves believe.”

  • Dr Ashenden’s integrity fills the heart with joy but the fact that he had to resign is the saddest of commentaries on the state of Christianity in Britain today, a land where the Defender of the Faith recoils in horror when her faith is defended.

    It isn’t going to happen but wouldn’t it be wonderful beyond words if all the Queen’s chaplains now resigned ‘to speak out on behalf of the faith’?

  • IanCad

    The bold Doctor was interviewed on today’s Sunday Morning. Splendid stuff!

     http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0890k5l @ about 22:00

    After making a perfectly reasonable case for his resignation, he stated the following:

    “—In those circumstances one has to choose between whether one wants to accept an important honour or whether one chooses to continue to debate in a public space. I’m fairly clear in my own mind that my duty is to my conscience, my orders, my understanding of Christianity and my vocation is that I’m supposed to be speaking out in the public space on behalf of the Christ I serve.”

    The BBC is still worth keeping around.

    • Dreadnaught

      The BBC is still worth keeping around.
      Not while it still has a Muslim head of religious programming.

      • Martin

        And while the BBC’s Sunday programme will block a Twitter correspondent for criticising them. To be fair, Premier Radio also do such things.

        • Dominic Stockford

          A “Christian” magazine blocked my email address for daring to stand up for Creation.

          • Sarky

            Is that because it fails to stand up for itself?

          • Martin

            Dom

            I can imagine which.

          • That is regretful and shameful. And I say this as a “theistic evolutionist”. As much as I disagree with both Jewish and Christian Creationism, I recognize these as legitimate theological positions we were evidently stuck with duking out amongst our selves.

      • IanCad

        But Dred! We are British – known far and wide for our charity, our fairness, and concern for minorities.
        Of course the head of RP should be a Musselman, about time the under-represented 1/20th of our population should run things.
        It’s called virtue signaling; Don’t you know?
        You must be one of the deplorables; probably voted for Trump. most likely you have a low-skilled job, or are white. I’m sure you didn’t go to university, neither, I am certain, did you vote to remain in the UK.
        Do you take your holidays in Southend-on Sea? Eat fish and chips five days a week? A heavy smoker and drinker as well?
        Believe me, the world is changing, your kind will be no more, soon the enlightened, the LBGQTX3, shall rule. And, Yes! those lovely persecuted Muslims shall be granted their rights so long denied.

  • Inspector General

    It was too much to hope that Dr Ashenden in his position would be considered unassailable. That our monarch would grant him royal patronage ‘for the good of Christianity’s standing in the realm’, or some such. It was not to be. Is the door now open for the appointing of a mullah to the Queen in his stead? Do not be so naive as to believe that horror has not already been considered by the flunkies that run around the royal feet…

    • Dominic Stockford

      The lefties running this country will not be happy until a mullah replaces the Queen.

      • dannybhoy

        Then they will have outlived their usefulness and either suddenly discovered religion or lost their heads,,

  • Politically__Incorrect

    ” the Church of England needs inspirational theologian-bishops to pastor the flock: they must teach diligently and care deeply; not manage processes or supervise evangelism programmes”. That is a true and worthy statement. I am also a little disturbed by what appears to be going on at Buckingham Palace that a minister of the Christian faith gets a talking to for publicly defending that faith. I believe you have done the honourable thing Dr Ashendon. God bless you for that.

  • Anton

    If any of the persons who wrote to Buckingham Palace and Lambeth Palace to object to Dr Ashenden’s comments consider themselves Christians, they should be ashamed. If they are ordained priests in receipt of a salary from the church then it is they who should resign.

    Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to… Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean… Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness… You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

  • Peasant Farmer

    Well done Gavin, you’ve spoken clearly and, in a video on YouTube, warmly, about the problems with the reading of the Quran in a church service, I hope this temporary setback gives you an even wider platform to speak from.

    In the meantime perhaps readers of this blog should write to the Queen directly to express their displeasure at this clumsy attempt to silence a decent and law abiding preacher?

  • Martin

    As I’ve said elsewhere, this brings shame on both the Queen and Lambeth Palace. Those responsible should tender their resignation with immediate effect. They won’t, of course, because to them constitutional propriety matters more than morals and the gospel. We’ve already seen this view in the bishops in House of Lords, who failed to oppose ‘gay’ marriage with sufficient vigour.

    • Peasant Farmer

      Personally I wish the Queen had set aside her impartiality and refused to accept his resignation.

      In actual fact, the Provost of Glasgow Cathedral should resign for sanctioning such nonsense during a communions service and Gavin Ashenden should be appointed to the role in his place.

      A win win for the people of Glasgow.

      • William Lewis

        Oh for more of the wisdom of the peasant farmers of this world.

      • SimonToo

        The Provost of Glasgow Cathedral may be Anglican, but he is surely not Church of England?

        • Peasant Farmer

          I’d hesitate to say exactly what he is on a discussion thread such as this…

  • Watchman

    What is the point of having a title “Defender of the Faith” if one doesn’t defend the faith or even allow someone else to defend the faith? Time to get out those Coronation Vows and refresh your memory I think, Your Majesty.

    • Dominic Stockford

      I would hazard that this has nothing to do with HM.

      • Watchman

        I’m sure you’re right, but it jolly well ought to have. Incidents like this show her impotence in carrying out her coronation vows.

  • len

    Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it (Luke 17:33)

    If the Monarchy decide that preserving the Monarchy is more important than defending the Christian faith then the Monarchy will eventually be lost.

  • David

    The Rev’d Dr Ashenden is a man on integrity and faith, and a true Christian leader. Not for him the nonsense of relativism, the cowardly path of confusion and strife, that our so called cultural and political “elite” wish to force us down.
    What a contrast between brave, clever priests like Gavin Ashenden, with their clear message regarding the Christian faith, and the craven leadership found elsewhere in so many of the western Churches, including the C of E.

  • chefofsinners

    Gavin has defended mainstream orthodoxy lucidly, logically and lovingly. The only response the church can manage is to try to silence him.
    Surely the hierarchy of the CoE has lost its savour, and is good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

    • Ivan M

      Bloody hell, the CoE has to draw a line somewhere instead of always giving in to the spirit of the times.

      • Anton

        Parachute the House of Bishops into ISIS territory and tell them that it is henceforth their mission field. (It will be soon without need to travel, the way things are going…)

        • Dominic Stockford

          Just send ’em to the back streets of Bradford or Hounslow.

        • Merchantman

          Mostly Headless chickens already they would be a tough nut for Isis to crack that’s for sure.

    • carl jacobs

      So then. People should stop giving money. The most effective way to a bishop’s heart is through an empty collection plate.

      • 1642again

        I keep saying parishes should withhold the parochial share. If they won’t then it’s down to individual members, the only flaw being that the hierarchy would love an excuse to close loads of smaller churches.

    • Dominic Stockford

      The CofE hierarchy has also clearly lost sight of my misreading of your post, its Saviour.

  • Royinsouthwest

    Who are the people behind he “attempts to silence or defenestrate” him? Were they just “ordinary” members of the public? If so, what were their motives? Were they adherents of other religions? If so, which? Were they atheists? Politicians? So-called “celebrities”? People from the media? Were they office holders in Christian churches, or even people from within the Church of England?

    What is the identity of the people who tried to silence Gavin Ashenden’s freedom of speech, thereby threatening the freedom of speech and freedom of religion of us all? They should be named and shamed.

    • Anton

      God knows who they are. And that is good enough for me.

    • 1642again

      Probably similar sort of people who have actively sought to undermine the work of the Barnabas Fund in alliance with Muslim extremists. Lat year I received a most extraordinary missive from the BF about the treachery of a faction within the CoE.

      • Dreadnaught

        Damn those Millitant Meeks.

      • Anton

        Yes, a dark business indeed.

    • HastyPrince

      I clearly remember a quip by the late Queen Mother some years ago: “there are more queens in the Royal Household than in the land outside”. As Dr Ashenden has made his views on that subject equally clear, I do not think we need look much further for the answer to your question. No-one is saying so yet – but give it time!

      • Inspector General

        Has he really? That’s excellent. One has always said that a man cannot consider himself a Christian and not oppose that business…

        • Anton

          His website:

          https://ashenden.org/

          • Inspector General

            What a polished site! And it’s full of Christianity too. Why isn’t this man a bishop, at a time when the church has little better to do than to anoint feminist chaff?

            Somebody make Ashenden a bishop! All it needs is another bishop to do it. He can then command attention. As it stands, his career is effectively wrecked – he has nothing to lose, but we all have much to gain…

          • He should become the Archbishop!

          • Merchantman

            The blindness of the functionaries is profound especially where Islam is concerned. Ashenden and indeed anyone with a prophetic ministry touching on certain truths and future events is more than an inconvenience from their viewpoint. Quite who orchestrates these dismissals is uncertain.

          • Can someone not probe the Lord Chamberlain?

          • len

            You need to explain a bit further?

          • Lord Peel isn’t he head of the Firm’s media and public relations? Would it have been his office that contacted the Rev. Ashenden with the ultimatum? Would it have been his decision?

          • Merchantman

            Slope is your man for that.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Time for all “sincere Christians” to leave the CofE.

    • Sarky

      All 3 of you???

      • carl jacobs

        Droll, sarky. Very droll.

      • len

        4, get it right.

    • NortyNina

      A defeatist attitude. People will come and go, but the Church will always be with us. It is beholden on all sincere Christians to remain and support one another in times of trouble. There are many good people in the Church (well mine anyway) and we shouldn’t let them down.
      The good people leaving the Church is probably what the cultural marxists want them to do.

      • Martin

        NN

        Um, the Church is the believers, not an organisation.

        • Maalaistollo

          Indeed. When the C of E continues on the road to apostasy, it must reach the point where it is no longer part of the true church. Rather than waste more time waiting to see whether that point has unambiguously been reached and, if so, whether a ‘proper’ church will arise from the remains, I’ve recently left the C of E and have returned to my nonconformist roots. The sense of relief is considerable.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Congrats. And best wishes in your ‘new home’.

          • Maalaistollo

            Thank you. I do miss parts of the BCP, but then I’d become used to missing those in the C of E anyway!

          • dannybhoy

            That’s good but we as Christians must seek a solution for the future of the CofE.

    • Royinsouthwest

      Perhaps the sincere Christians in the CofE should endeavour to take it over.

  • CliveM

    The thought does occur, perhaps unfairly, that the main crime wasn’t so much what was said (which seemed mild enough to me), but where he chose to say it.

  • Holger

    Disavowed by a monarch he never preached to and probably never even met. What a humiliating brush off.

    Bigotry just isn’t fashionable these days, is it?

    • len

      You should know.

    • chefofsinners

      Glad to see you’ve changed your opinion of Donald Trump.

    • Inspector General

      Not sure where your favourite whine word comes into it. Surely a nervous queer like you doesn’t want to see Islam achieve a similar protected status as state sponsored buggery has?

      “My enemies enemy” philosophy is one thing, but it has its limits…except maybe for the truly unhinged…

    • Anton

      He simply said on that earlier thread that chaplains to HM do not *necessarily* preach to her in person. He is clearly far too discreet to say whether he has done, and you are not free in logic to assert that he didn’t.

      • Holger

        If he has, let’s see some proof.

        In any case, whether he has or not, he won’t be. Old Queenie’s given him a right wallop over the chops with a wet herring, hasn’t she? What better way of saying “not in one’s name!”

        Poor Ashenden! I wonder if he’s enjoying posing in the sackcloth and ashes of a Christian martyr. He seems to be having a gay old time hamming it up for the press, or what there is of it that will give him more than a couple of bemused lines in the “Antics of Crazed Conservatives” column. I bet he misses that hot pink cassock though. No more pretending to be a bishop any more.

        O woe, woe, woe unto him! Queenie’s frozen him out like she does all who attempt to draw her into party politics. What did he think she’d do when he started flashing his honorary title around with the flagrant intent of making us think he was speaking with her approval?

        I’m not a huge fan of your monarchy, but I do like the way your monarch has of deflating the grossly enlarged egos of the Colonel Blimps who jostle around her. One can just imagine the pleasure she took in jamming one of her hatpins into the insufferable Ashenden and watching him shoot off through the air like an overinflated party balloon that’s sprung a leak. When he finally falls to earth in that dismal part of the church behind the choir that’s littered with the flaccid corpses of all the clergy who’ve committed lèse majesté, he may realise what a fool he’s been. Unlikely though. His kind is so convinced of its own righteousness that queens, saints and even god himself, if such a thing exists, must bend the knee before him.

        • Anton

          Given that Ashenden has maintained a dignified silence about the personal details – unlike you – all that you say is mere conjecture.

          He has never been a bishop and the kit he is photographed wearing will not be that of a bishop. I am not Anglican enough to say what it is, though.

          • Pubcrawler

            It’s the scarlet cassock of a Chaplain to the Queen and other royal appointments.

          • Holger

            Ashenden splashed his honorary title of Chaplain to the Sovereign about whilst engaged in highly politicised debate for one reason and one reason only: to make people think he was speaking on behalf of the queen.

            His forced resignation shows us he wasn’t.

            Face. Egg. Covered with!

            The man is clearly a fool if he thought he could highjack the monarchy and brandish it as a weapon in political debate. It’s so often the way with those afflicted with prophet syndrome. So convinced are they that God is on their side, they neglect to remember how extremely fallible they are. And then the anger and outrage when the rug is pulled out from under their pretension and delusions of holiness and grandeur!

            Ah well, although his cassocks are going to have to go into mourning for the wreck of his career, the colour scarlet hasn’t abandoned him altogether. It’s merely migrated upwards and can now be seen plastered over his once-pale and self-satisfied countenance. I leave it to you to ascertain whether the principal cause of such an upwelling of indignation is anger, mortification or gout. It could be any or all of these things…

          • Anton

            I very much doubt that he thinks in terms of a “career”.

            I have cause to believe that you are fluent in French; what do you think of Michel Houellebecq’s novel “Surrender” about how in a couple of presidential elections’ time the French Left make a pact with an explicitly Islamic party to keep Le Pen’s crew out, and France goes progressively Islamic? Some of your lifestyle choices would soon be prohibited – and Muslims do enforce moral laws rather more seriously.

          • Holger

            I have never read any Houellebecq and am not likely to. Dystopian fantasy is not a genre that interests me.

          • Anton

            Head in the sand is very comfortable until life delivers a kick in another part of the body.

          • Holger

            Airport fiction based on frankly ridiculous catastrophe scenarios prepares nobody for the challenges of the real world. All it does is encourage attitudes of racism, exclusion and division.

            If you want to fantasize about a breakdown of society, watch The Walking Dead. I’m told the creators of that series were having trouble working out how zombies should move. Then one of them attended a Trump rally and finally figured it out.

          • Anton

            The demographics are on my side (unfortunately).

        • Willium Cobblers

          Saying what you’ve already said, albeit in ten times as many words doesn’t add anything to the discussion.

  • “A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.”
    (G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man)

    • len

      Do that include the Tiber?.

      • dannybhoy

        Deep Len.
        Too deep for Danny. Elucidate if you will..
        -O perhaps I have just twigged… another gentle dig at Jack?

        • len

          Danny, I envisage disgruntled Christians throwing themselves into the Tiber(somewhat like Lemmings) in the hope of floating down the Tiber into the waiting arms of Papa Pope. IMO is an easy answer to fall into religious practices rather than the ‘upstream struggle of working out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

          • dannybhoy

            You mean people who are involved in “Church” but not necessarily involved with Christianity? Then I agree. There is always this tension (in a church context) between not judging others and ‘by their fruits shall ye know them’.
            I used to describe the difference as between Christians and ‘Churchians’. It’s like when the Lord had a go at the religious people and it all being about outward show. Very interesting (to me anyway) that there are people who can be so involved in a church or cathedral or whatever, and yet they don’t actually believe in the Gospel.

          • len

            Spot on Danny.

    • not a machine

      That’s the one line Alec Baldwin didn’t use last week on snl

  • NortyNina

    Of course you shouldn’t have readings from the Koran in a Christian place of Worship. That goes without saying.
    That you aren’t allowed to state the obvious without being the target of harassment is typical of the systemic problems of our times, and is incredibly dangerous, both to the faith and in general.

    • dannybhoy

      We are at war. Our Lord said,
      John 15> (ESVUK)
      18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.”

    • carl jacobs

      Nina

      You came back. I honestly didn’t think you would. Well, you have fled the discussion on the Trumpelfest thread, so I guess I will just have to bring that discussion here. Because I wouldn’t want the commenters on this site to be deceived.

      What did you mean when you wrote this, Nina?

      Someone should ask him if he thinks Israel should open its borders to third worlders too. Put him on the spot, make him condemn Israel publicly. Its people like Friedberg Fraser who prove that Hitler was right.

      Nina’s quote above is found on a weblog called “Morgoth’s Review”. The article from which Nina’s quote is taken is called “The ‘Nazi EU’ Conspiracy” dated 31 May 2016.

      There are lots more where that came from.

      • 1642again

        That’s for picking up the mantle Carl. I’ve fought this battle elsewhere and will do again, but not on my own.

  • dannybhoy

    “I have come to see that the situation is more complex than that. There is a very important convention that the Queen should not be drawn into public affairs where she is deemed to be taking a position. She needs to be above ‘positions’. That is how the monarchy rides out political turbulence.”
    If true, I find myself asking the question I always find myself asking of our Monarchy,
    ” If a British monarch cannot defend their own faith, then they should accept that they are neither King nor Queen, but on the same level as Harry Corbett’s Sooty….”

    • dannybhoy

      I’m sorry, but it seems to me that this Christian brother called to be a priest has been both attacked and betrayed. Attacked by the enemies of Christianity and betrayed by conventions which mean “The Defender of the Faith” isn’t, but will do and be whatever the State dictates. When it comes to something as important as faith, The Faith one cannot stand ‘helplessly’ by and watch it become a caricature.

      • chefofsinners

        The faith is being defended alright. The new faith of tolerance and inclusiveness and no moral absolutes. No-one can claim to be right anymore, except those who claim it is impossible to be right. Oh, and science and logic are also right.
        Aren’t the emperor’s clothes amazing?

      • not a machine

        some solid truths in there dannybhoy , I ponder such things myself ,but then one also must consider the reason for Pharos heart being hardend .A lot of people see god as capricious and arbitrary , I don’t know , God can restore all things , can he not dannybhoy

        • dannybhoy

          I don’t believe God plays games, He gives us free will and respects our choices.
          But God is somewhat smarter than us, and He will still achieve His purposes however much man shakes his fist at Him.
          The big choice you and I have is whether through the grace of God and the sacrifice of our Lord we fight with God or against Him..

          • not a machine

            yes Jesus died for me and for everyone else , so that we may be saved , do you think he was a good fighter ?

          • dannybhoy

            My dear chap, He fought for you. Do you know you belong to Him? Are you settled in your heart that He is your Lord and Saviour?

          • not a machine

            Yes totally ,but temptation still exists

          • dannybhoy

            I don’t know any Christian who consistently triumphs over sin or stays sin free.
            I believe it is a battle which continues ’til the day we pass into eternity. “We have this treasure in earthen vessels..”
            You’re an earthen vessel and so am I. I fail the Lord. I commit sin. I am inconsistent, I have to come back to God, ask forgiveness, ask to be filled afresh with the Holy Spirit, and keep going with my quiet time and prayers.

            The strange thing is that I sometimes feel the presence of the Lord, I sometimes weep in His presence and despite my disappointment in myself, I can rejoice in what He is doing in the world, and even my world.
            Never allow your struggles with temptation and sin to overcome the fact that you have been redeemed.
            That God knew what He was getting when He redeemed you, and that providing your deepest heart’s desire is to know Him and to love and serve Him. He is going to sanctify you, keep on loving you and will use you.

      • chiaramonti

        You must bear in mind that the title “Defender of the Faith’ which the Queen holds is a title bestowed by Parliament. It is not the title bestowed on Henry VIII by Pope Leo X – that was removed, understandably, by Paul III when Henry was excommunicated. It is, therefore, a Parliamentary title, with all that means so far as the monarch is concerned, which must include, to some extent at least, the monarch being’ advised’ as to her position on religious matters. It would be wonderful, of course, if she would speak out on this subject, but it simply won’t happen.

        • dannybhoy

          Don’t know how much trust you can place in this but..
          “Defender of the Faith” has been one of the subsidiary titles of the English and later British monarchs since it was granted on 11 October 1521[1] by Pope Leo X to King Henry VIII of England. His wife Catherine of Aragon was also a Defender of the Faith in her own right.[2] The title was conferred in recognition of Henry’s book Assertio Septem Sacramentorum (Defense of the Seven Sacraments), which defended the sacramental nature of marriage and the supremacy of the Pope. This was also known as the “Henrician Affirmation” and was seen as an important opposition to the early stages of the Protestant Reformation, especially the ideas of Martin Luther.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidei_defensor

        • Politically__Incorrect

          The question then is;which faith is she defending, faith in Parliament or faith in God? She can’t defend faith in both, because they are often at odds with each other.

  • not a machine

    It seems to me Rev Ashenden is a very thoughtful man and made his position with grace and intelligence on expressing the value he places on the Christian faith in what he terms the public debate noting it was the position of being one of 30 plus chaplains to the queen .I would like to think that over recent years to similar questions ,I have encountered the same in some church moments,but I had not quite reasoned it like Rev Ashenden.I hope he finds a new position and that he is treated well when he does, he has grace and light to the ancient paths ,where we understood things much clearer ,he is not a man looking for a crowd to please ,but certainly a man who can illuminate and that is a character of an aspect C of E .I hope the bible and the holy spirit continue to inform him and guide him ,as he moves on from this .Todays psalm 27 in part “Hide not your face from me , nor turn away your servant in displeasure .You have been my helper , cast me not away ; do not forsake me O god of my salvation.

  • Politically__Incorrect

    If it’s like this on Her Majesty’s watch, one can only imagine what the situation will be when Charles becomes King. Disestablishment may be necessary for the church to survive.

    • dannybhoy

      I think that those in the CofE who love the Lord (and there are many), must accept that a split is inevitable, and those in positions of leadership must convene and prayerfully decide on a plan of action.

  • Andrew Holt

    Well done Gavin. Day by day the battle lines seem clearer. Here we stand, we can do no other. We’re in a battle and it’s fitting that we strike the enemy hard.

  • Politically__Incorrect
    • dannybhoy

      Thanks for that, Some meaty posts there. Now he is one that I could see as a bishop or overseer in the true church in this country of ours.,

    • Dreadnaught

      Interesting also to read the article in the Jersey publication.

  • If the Queen is or wants to be seen as “above positions” then why does she regularly and publicly attend a C of E Church? And why did she vow to defend The Faith in her coronation oath? Just wondering.

  • On Gavin Ashenden’s website is this statement:

    “He is committed to the vision for the unity of the Church contained in the ecumenical and prophetic movement ‘True Life in God’.”

    This movement and the writings of its founder Vassiliki Ryden, are very controversial.

    http://www.pseudomystica.info/tligbiography.htm

    • Judas was Paid

      So?

  • Merchantman

    ‘Whose inscription is this?…….’

  • ChaucerChronicle

    Your Grace

    Let me get this right.

    1. The Queen is Defender of the Faith;
    2. One of her chaplains defends the Faith;
    3. Attempts to ‘silence or defenestrate’ him have had their effect;
    4. The Defender of the Faith accepts his resignation rather than rejecting it.

    Those who have pushed this chaplain and the Queen into this corner: need to be identified and held to account.

    This chaplain is not alone:

    “You only have power over people so long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything, he’s no longer in your power – he’s free again.”

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn

    • NortyNina

      I suppose it depends on whether the practice of allowing the Qu’ran to be read in C of E places of Worship continues. If they realise it was a mistake then perhaps they won’t in future.
      As I understand it, the clergy were not fully aware of what was being said, because it was spoken in a foreign language.
      I would hope to think that God is bigger than this and understands that mistakes are sometimes made. It may be all a storm in a teacup.

      • “As I understand it, the clergy were not fully aware of what was being said, because it was spoken in a foreign language.”

        The Provost responsible for approving the blasphemous reading refuses to confirm or deny this point.

      • dannybhoy

        In a position of great responsibility such as currently held, there is no way that you wouldn’t check to make sure that you understood the content.

        • Anton

          While I agree with the overarching point that the Quran should never be read in a Christian service, it would be worth asking the reciter why she went on to ayah (verse) 36 given that Provost Holdsworth has written on his blog that he had the “expectation” the recitation would end at ayah 33, as the written order of service did. (The extra verses deny Christ’s divinity.)

        • Crap Hatter

          You fool!

        • Incompetence or indifference.

      • ChaucerChronicle

        No stormtroopers here please.

      • Crap Hatter

        A well thought out opinion. I too believe that mistakes are made, but still…….. I’ll give the benefit of doubt, but still recognise your superior theology. Nina, is it true that you’re mixed race i.e. Indian, English?

        • carl jacobs

          She’s a Jew-Hating Nazi who frequently posts at a site called “Morgoth’s Review”. Check it out. You will learn new interesting words like “holohoax”. Not that Nina has opinion on that.

          • Crap Hatter

            I’m not one to be lead astray, Carl, infact I’d say that I was quite original in my thinking. I will base my judgement off this thread and take it no further. Peace.

          • carl jacobs

            So if I post for you on this thread the stuff she says on other threads (when she thinks only friends are listening) will that convince you?

          • 1642again

            Mr CH has much prior experience of dealing with Nina elsewhere. He knows full well what she is and is just playing with her for the moment. She ‘s made a lot of enemies on line and news of her appearance on Cranmer is spreading.

          • Crap Hatter

            Grass. Anyway, I like Nina…

          • 1642again

            With red currant or mint sauce?

          • Crap Hatter

            Everyone loves mint sauce.

        • NortyNina
        • ChaucerChronicle

          Anglo-Palestinian (Syrian (?), Muslim); Australian; western educated; father probably killed in an air-strike; posts deleted even from Nazi websites; strategic goal to annihilate the State of Israel.

          • Crap Hatter

            Alright, that was funny.

          • 1642again

            Where did you uncover that? In the past she’s said she’s a Christian (mainly) or a Hindu (occasionally). It’s just a cloaking mechanism designed to appeal to the website’s audience. I’m sure she’ equally capable of pretending to be a Buddhist, atheist, Muslim etc.

          • ChaucerChronicle

            Educated conjecture.

            More I think about it the more CH is closer to the mark.

      • writhledshrimp

        Well, if they weren’t aware then more fool them.
        Not being aware is not an excuse. In fact it makes it worse.

    • Anton

      Equivalently, “When you aint got nothing, you got nothing to lose” – Dylan

  • Inspector General

    According to Pink News ‘reporter’, the semi literate, more than slightly mad, Meka Beresford ( a suspected mentally ill tranny), there is to be another assault on traditional Christianity. The traditional wing of Anglicanism has already said they will split from the corrupted CoE if it comes to it. And then we can expect excellent fellows like Ashenden to be appointed bishop in a shadow CoE that will continue Jesus’ ministry in these troubled times…
    ——————
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/01/22/church-of-england-to-consider-dropping-celibacy-question-for-gay-clergy/
    ——————

  • Alicia Sinclair

    The weasly Glasgow Cathedral bunch who`ve created this stink will face judgement.
    Gavin is quite correct-this was morally, scripturally disastrous. No Muslim would EVER have let the Provost read ANY Bible verses at all during a service, let alone as a sermon. And NEVER on such a theologically significant time as this buffoon did.
    Appalling-and only goes to show how debased the useless Christian Church is in the face of true scholarship and certainties , albeit from a telegraphed dark side like Islam.
    This Church is not worthy of being persecuted-so it`ll no doubt prosper as the BBC do their Songs Of Praise from it sometime soon. Then a block of flats or a carpet warehouse-and then a Mosque or Islamic Centre for Migrants. God has left the building, so it seems.

    • dannybhoy

      It takes a lot to rouse the British to action but it seems to me that we are on the very brink of a realisation that if we don’t act, then all may be lost as far as the Church of England is concerned,

      • magnolia

        It wasn’t really the Church of England. But the cathedral bunch in Glasgow seem to have been of a sort who cannot resist stirring the pot even when they are in the wrong. It all comes down to wooly feelings and the need to be smiled at. Jesus is a bit awkward and doesn’s scratch them where they itch. I should think no amazing answers to prayer that make them stop in their tracks have happened there for decades to have got to this sad point.

    • Anton

      Ichabod

  • Anton

    That seems to be a rather unusual mirror on the wall behind Dr Ashenden, in which the other chap is reflected.

    • chefofsinners

      Why’s Jimmy Somerville standing next to it?

    • Pubcrawler

      A benign version of Dorian Gray, perhaps?

  • Shakti

    Clearly the Christians on this forum have no clue about Islam and more concerned with reading tabloid trash. Are they as critical against the current “Christian crusades” in Muslim countries? (most Christians are silent on this- why?)

    No wonder the British public have lost faith in Christianity, can’t be bothered to go to church and moving towards Atheism and Agnosticism.

    • Anton

      I’ve read the Quran (in English). What do you mean by a current “Christian crusade” in Muslim countries?

      • 1642again

        Himmler etc admired Islam Anton. Their modern successors do too because they both hate Jews and think Christianity weak.

        • Anton

          Yes. There is anecdotal evidence that the Nazis got the idea of annihilation rather than expulsion of the Jews from a Muslim source, Haj Amin, and Hitler is reliably said to have commented that it was a pity Charles Martel won the Battle of Tours against the Muslims in AD732, as Islam was better suited to the German martial spirit than Christianity. Three years ago I spent 90 minutes praying in tears for Europe by Charles Martel’s sarcophagus in St Denis, which is now an immigrant area of Paris.

          • 1642again

            Is the Oriflamme still in St Denis Cathedral? France may have need of it soon.

          • Anton

            If it was there, it was’t prominent. I suspect it went at the Revolution, when the tombs were opened and the bones of the kings turfed out. Years later the pile of bones was recovered and reinterred in the crypt. Now *there’s* a DNA problem for somebody…

          • Pubcrawler

            There have been several over history, as the French kept losing it (Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt…) I don’t think there’s a current one

          • Hi Anton ,

            Check out this video which explains about the Nazis, the middle east , the Farhud pogrom and the expulsion of Jews from Islamic lands:

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzl1ouZpQp4

          • Anton

            It’s not clear whether the Jews of Medina were ethnic Jews or Arab converts from paganism to Judaism, not that it matters. (I believe that Judaism had a proselytising component at that time.) Also the interviewee takes his assertion that Muhammad had these Jews slaughtered from Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, which was written a long time after – although there is no question that Muslims today believe it and, because Muhammad was reportedly behind it, approve of it.

          • Hi

            In Jewish law , there’s no distinction between Jews by birth and Jews by choice. Once a giyur has been given a certificate of conversion he or she would be considered fully Jewish “like Israel in all matters” and as if a convert’s soul had stood at Sinai and promised to keep Torah. Ergo Donald Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, is as Jewish as her husband.

            As for the historical accuracy of Medina, the point I think being made was from the Arab Muslim perspective , i.e. it was ingrained so heavily as to lend weight to seeing Jews in a negative way which hadn’t gone away by 1941.

          • 1642again

            It’s widely forgotten that ancient Yemen (Himyar) converted to Judaism but had a large Christian minority which they then began to wipe out, prompting Ethiopian intervention. It’s also largely forgotten that some of the north African Berber tribes converted to Judaism and put up stubborn resistance to the Islamic conquest under their flame haired warrior Queen. A Jewish Boadicea no less1

          • Anton

            Yes, the history of the Maghreb has been largely forgotten: how Arianism came across the Strait of Gibraltar with the Germanics. Interesting that when Islam swept across North Africa, Trinitarian Christianity survived, in Egypt, but Arianism was wiped out. God knows what he is doing.

          • 1642again

            I thought the Arianism had pretty much gone by the time the Arabs arrived following Justinian’s reconquest?

          • Anton

            I reckon it simply went underground, or Arians mingled clandestinely with Trinitarianism.

            Belisarius was a military genius, don’t you think?

          • 1642again

            Yes, but not the greatest or most consistent. Nikephoros Phokas and John Tzimiskes were both greater.

          • dannybhoy

            Many years back a young German priest who was working with Palestinian Arab students told me that they greatly admired German i.e. Nazi military power. In fact he said through working with these young men he felt that they very much worshipped the ideal of the powerful, merciless carnal man, ‘the warrior.’
            To some extent the artwork found in Saddam Hussein’s palaces bear this out..
            https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=paintings+found+in+Saddam%27s+palaces&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE3dKj29jRAhWGLMAKHbsQCpoQsAQIHA&biw=1239&bih=525
            Also, “ISLAM’S PARADISE OF SEX, SIN AND SENSUALITY”
            (Gasps)
            https://davidiqbalkarim.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/36/

      • Shakti

        Are you so blind to not know your own faults, or do you think your actions, the actions of your elected governments and UK people on foreign lands will not see the Judgement?

        • Anton

          The actions of the British government in Iraq and Afghanistan were not Christian actions. Muslims might think so but don’t tell me that Tony Blair’s government was Christian.

    • William Lewis

      Knowledge of Islam is incidental. The divinity of Christ was denied from the pulpit of a nominally Christian service. That’s all you need to know.

      • ChaucerChronicle

        Excellent!

      • michaelkx

        the person who denies Christ is not a Christian, so if it was a priest or who ever stands in the pulpit, does so they should be sacked, but then that would be against there human rights,

    • dannybhoy

      “Are they as critical against the current “Christian crusades” in Muslim countries?”
      There are no Christian crusades, only ham fisted and ill thought out attempts to bring peace, freedom and progress for Muslim populations. Personally I would rather we left them alone unless they directly threatened our interests. We should stop selling them Western weapons and technology and allow them to develop at their own pace.

      • bluedog

        ‘…allow them to develop at their own pace.’ With the Saudi monarchy moving in to the third generation of Ibn Saud’s evil spawn at a time of collapsed revenues we may see a seismic event there. If Saudi power collapses we may see the custody of the holy places under challenge. One can imagine that Erdogan’s Turkey would throw its fez into the ring, along with Pakistan, the Gulf States and horror of horrors, Iran. No need for another Crusade then.

        • dannybhoy

          From News Week 2014…

          “Grossing as much as $40 million or more over the past two years, ISIS has accepted funding from government or private sources in the oil-rich nations of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait—and a large network of private donors, including Persian Gulf royalty, businessmen and wealthy families.”
          http://europe.newsweek.com/how-does-isis-fund-its-reign-terror-282607?rm=eu
          I believe that God will deal with those who financially support these terrorist organisations, whether governments or individuals.

          • bluedog

            The same syndicate was financing the ‘Syrian’ invasion of eastern Europe and Germany. One reads with alarm that the UK is contemplating a FTA with Saudi and the Gulf states. High risk and possibly less reward than anticipated.

      • squishbean

        I’m not sure I would even hazard an explanation such as “attempts to bring peace”, but rather deliberate attempts to destabilise and fight proxy wars. https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/7-countries-in-5-years/

        • dannybhoy

          It;s a valid view but one I would find hard to support in the light of all the burgeoning Muslim communities across the Western world.
          Why poke the wasps nest when the wasps have family living in your neighbourhood?

          • Shakti

            Muslims like Hindus are human being not wasps – who died and made you decide who lives and who dies… or are you the “son” of G-d?

          • dannybhoy

            “Why poke the wasps nest when the wasps have family living in your neighbourhood?”
            This is allegorical. It doesn’t mean Muslims are wasps but when they are provoked they can sting like wasps.
            There is only one Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ who is also God. True Christians worship Him for providing peace and forgiveness from God and gives us the desire to follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ.
            I know that Muslims do not believe Jesus is more than a prophet, but we Christians believe He is God in human form. We don’t believe that our holy God had carnal relations with Mariam. but that she was miraculously made with child. After all, if God created mankind, why could he not choose the womb of a virgin so that He could be born in the form of a man?
            I hope that helps.

      • Shakti

        “… ham fisted and ill thought out attempts to bring peace, freedom and progress for Muslim populations” – so you think it’s ok to kill masses of innocent people so they can have Iphones in the future?

        Guess you think Jessu would have been more popular if he has social media.

        Little wonder the west is losing it on all fronts.

        • dannybhoy

          Exact;y the opposite my friend, it isn’t all right. The West should not interfere in Muslim affairs or kill innocent people.
          But let’s also remember that Shi’a and Sunnis are also killing each other. Daish is also killing their Muslim brothers who don’t behave as they do.

  • ChaucerChronicle

    Norty Nina and Shakti are the same person.

    • 1642again

      Another identity already? Thanks CC.

  • David Trevett

    What now, where now, for Gavin the Defender?

    • Rome or Constantinople.

    • 1642again

      A new CoE based on GAFCON hopefully.

      If the CoE carries on this path true congregations should sue the hierarchy for mis-selling.

  • Judas was Paid

    Clearly Her Majesty is hidebound, and her chaplains similarly so. This is why we are disappearing up our own back passage.

  • len

    One might assume that Christianity is ‘the Church’ and the Church is ‘Christianity.’ Well anyone can join the Church but one must be born (or should I say re-born) into Christianity.
    Many people assume that they are Christians because they go(or did go) to Church, or even because they live in a Christian Country. Jesus states a direct command “You must be born again” to be’ a Christian’.

    It would also seem that parts of’ the Christian Establishment’ want the benefits of the label ‘Christian’ but none of the sufferings that Christ said would be the lot of those who chose to uphold His name.

  • wisestreligion

    So how does this work? If a chaplain must not draw the Queen into public affairs by taking a position in defence of the established faith, what if another chaplain were to draw Her Majesty into public affairs by taking a position in contravention of the established faith? Is that alright? For example the very clergy that Gavin criticized for arranging Koranic readings in church. Alternatively, it has been known for clergy to take positions on sexual perversion which are clearly proscribed by scripture and church tradition. I don’t have Crockfords on my bookshelf, I’m afraid, but should we not check that none of the remaining 34 Chaplains to the Queen has expressed an heretical position?

    To make all this easier to understand for the ordinary British Subject, proudly holding to his shiny new British Values (2017.1.03b edition), perhaps the May government will consider updating the Queen’s status in the new Progressive Establishment by ditching FD (Fidei Defensor) and instituting DHL (Defender of Hate Legislation?)

  • bluedog

    Your Grace, one understands that the office of your own chaplaincy is currently vacant. Should not Dr Gavin Ashenden be encouraged to apply?

  • Mike Stallard

    I would like to add my congratulations to this brave, honest and decent man. I loved his blog post on here too.

  • Anna

    So, one faith must never be criticised, while the other one must never be defended.

    • 1642again

      Nailed it.

    • bluedog

      Indeed, and the only valid explanation for the dismissal of Ashenden is fear; sheer, blind, panic-stricken fear. One can almost hear the man from the ministry intoning about the security implications for Her Majesty and her family of having a chaplain who publicly takes aim at Islam. Easier by far to turn the other cheek and let the Christians fulminate rather that face the wrath of Islam at the next Coronation, or similar. So, what is the solution to this self-inflicted internal security risk of such gravity? Further counselling in British Values?

    • Merchantman

      Yes it’s all about Fid Def and the next generation.

    • WimsThePhoenix

      The name of the game is white genocide. The Bilderbergers want a one-world government, so it’s more likely they will get them under a global caliphate than a bunch of awkward nationalists under Christianity.

      Why on earth have we (The West) removed all stigmas which inhibit reproduction (single motherhood, abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, drug taking) whilst AT THE SAME TIME, import millions of highly fecund immigrants who live by those stigmas?

      Why else does this country in particular castigate white heterosexual men for all the failings of the most civilised society in the history of mankind, picking up on the tiniest micro-aggression against women (because all white men are potential rapists) while simultaneously excusing the misogynist religion of “peace” at every turn: wife beating, Sharia courts, “honour” killings, rape of women in “provocative” clothing, paedophile grooming gangs?

  • William Lewis

    This turbulent priest is beginning to make a name for himself. Excellent! Let’s hope that he and God will put it to good use.

  • 1642again

    They’re finding out rapidly!

  • maigemu

    I am sorry he has lost the post but may one enquire what a chaplain to the Queen actually does and is it an appointment purely in her personal gift?

  • Busy Mum

    Vacancy – chaplain to HM the Queen.
    Sympathetic consideration will be given to those of all faiths and none. However, in the interests of inclusion, Christians are excluded from applying for this post.

  • Merchantman

    Was a recent cold a good day to release ‘bad news’?

  • jmshigham

    Not impressed and Cranmer has missed the whole point. What the hell was it doing being read out, who was responsible for it and why has the Queen not come down like a ton of bricks – Fid Def etc.? This is covering up some enormous decay.

    • Busy Mum

      The Queen is an old lady who has been ill recently. Look through history and there are always evil machinations taking advantage of an imminent change to the throne.

      • jmshigham

        With the greatest respect, this has nothing to do with the Queen’s health. This has been going on a very long time, the Church moving to the left or towards the FCO if you like, and Charles’s remark about wishing to be Defender of the Faiths [plural] was noted at the time. Conservative members of the Church do not buy this disgrace in any way.

        I visited Chester cathedral some time back and to have the traditional communion, one had to go to some back room outside the cathedral. The ‘revised’ service was conducted inside. Similar is happening in Rome.

        • Anton

          How traditional do you want to make it? The Bible describes a love feast with food as well as drink.

          • jmshigham

            Referring to the litany, not the food and drink. Those inside the Church know exactly what I mean.

            If Cranmer has done a previous post on this, then apologies and all is well. I shall retire to the background once more.

          • dannybhoy

            A man of the shadows… ;0)
            Stay in the light brother and fight for Truth..

          • jmshigham

            Make no mistake, I’m doing that from two sites, in no uncertain terms, plus Twitter, but this is Cranmer’s pad and I didn’t want to be a bad guest.

        • Busy Mum

          Agree it has been happening a long time but the Queen’s poor health is a godsend – or whatever the equivalent atheistic term is – as far as they are concerned.

        • WimsThePhoenix

          She is an oathbreaker for the sake of comfort and prosperity for her family.

          The secret motto of the Windors “Non movendi navi regia”

      • WimsThePhoenix

        She wasn’t old and ill while she stood idly by when Blair opened the dam.

        • Busy Mum

          Agreed, and I suppose that is why it is so important to the traitors that they have one of their own at her deathbed so that any repentance and remorse (there is still time for her to do so!) is duly hushed up.

    • Anton

      Cranmer had a previous blog entry about that.

  • dannybhoy

    I hope people on this site might consider emailing encouragement to Gavin Ashenden. I did, (with a few questions thrown in) -without expecting a reply; but he very graciously did. I think that shows the character of the man. Let’s please pray that God would bring together those in leadership who truly love and serve Him, and raise up a standard to which the faithful may rally. We desperately need Godly leadership to stand up in the Church.
    Secondly and off topic, a little video clip I received from Israel showing Jewish and Arab believers coming together in Nazareth on Christmas Day. (You won’t see this on the BBC folks..)

  • WimsThePhoenix

    It seems to me that the unspoken oath that took precedence at the Queen’s coronation, back when I was 9 months old, was “To do everything I can to make the Royal Family a popular confection, and wil not rock any political boats; to do what I am told, when I am told by the Prime Minister of the day”.

    Victoria would be utterly disgusted with this oathbreaker. She neither defends her faith or protects the sovereignty of her country.

    There comes a time when the RIGHT thing to do supercedes the CONSTITUTIONAL thing to do – especially when our constitution is not written down.

    She has the power to dissolve Parliament and to withhold her Royal Assent. When Tony Blair wanted to open the muslim floodgates, Victoria would have insisted that the people had a say.

    When we gave our sovereignty away at Maastricht (arguably at Rome) Victoria would have insisted we had a say.

    The Queen could have insisted on referenda for both of these obscene acts of ultra vires.

    For goodness sake she must have enough money salted away in Swiss bank accounts for her and her family to go into exile if necessary – not that she would have to if she spoke her mind once in a while.

    She should certainly have disassociated herself with her dhimmi son.

  • magnolia

    Plenty of other chaplains to the Queen no doubt agree with him.

    I don’t think this has much to do with the Queen. Probably more to do with a bunch of atheistic advisers who don’t care about Jesus anyway, but have certain agendas, and have a power group at play.

    Can we please know the names and religious affiliation and frequency or not of churchgoing? Can we please know whether they live godly, righteous and sober lives? Can we be told whether or not they are confirmed? Can we know whether they put Jesus first in their lives? Can we be told what their fitness is to rule on church matters? Can we be told how much they pray and read the bible? Do they know any NT Greek? Did they pray before this meeting? Did they fast? Did they seek to hear God’s voice?

    I have a horrid notion of the answers.

    Perhaps they should show consistency and have a mass cull of chaplains. That would leave us knowing where we stands, and how the NT is valued.

    • Ivan M

      If the Queen is not up to it, she should either go, or take leave of the pretense that she is or ever was a ‘Defender of the Faith’. The millions (of her potential subjects) who have been aborted without a peep from her will testify to that. If there is a God, it stands to reason that He cannot be fooled, and I certainly would not want be in her shoes on Judgement Day. That the monarchy had no substance to it, except as a haven for pomp without inner spirit, was noted way back in the sixties by Malcolm Muggeridge, lecher though he was in those days. At least Charles will not be making any bones about defending Christianity while providing cover for its defenestration.

      The Queen is nothing but a bourgeois housewife, clinging to her palaces and horses, hoping to pass it on to her grandchildren. I don’t see much wrong with that but she should not take cover behind religion, if for nothing else than the sake of her soul.

      So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.

      • It would seem increasingly the case and it’s so disappointing.

  • Lucius

    I see Anglicanism appears to be faltering as much in Britain as it is in America. Prophetically almost, St. Raphael of Brooklyn (Holy Orthodox) identified the root problem of Anglicanism in the early part of the 20th century. He found Anglian theology and doctrine to be incredibly nebulous and the Anglican Church’s reluctance to take a firm stance on virtually any issue, disconcerting. It seems these chickens have finally come home to roost. The church of my youth is crumbling. Sad, but probably inevitable.

    • dannybhoy

      “He found Anglian theology and doctrine to be incredibly nebulous and the Anglican Church’s reluctance to take a firm stance on virtually any issue, disconcerting.”

      He found right. Anglicanism value unity above all else. This leads to fudging issues, compromise and procrastination. I think these characteristics can also be seen in ethnic English social behaviour too.
      We tend not to like confrontation and we avoid contentious issues, so we often fail to get to grips with important matters.

  • dannybhoy
  • Tamaveirene

    God bless this courageous and decent prelate! Thank you Reverend for leading by example! No thanks to those who deserted you at the crucial point!

  • Jean Higgins

    What a breath of fresh air Rev’Dr Ashendens comments are. Dr Martyn Lloyd Jones had it right in the 60’s

  • 12213

    Now that Gavin Ashenden has resigned his privileged posts as the “Queen’s Chaplain”, he now can preach for his living. I suspect that the secessionist Anglican Church of North America will be inviting him on a well financed preaching tour to promote orthodox bigotry against homosexuals , Muslims. Father Ashenden is a good representative of what we know as the “traditional religion and worship” of Anglicanism. Such Anglicanism is really too empty of the charity of soul ,to be a valid participant in “The Jesus Movement”.