Christian Persecution

17 French deaths unite civilisation; 2,000 Nigerian deaths – who cares?


“Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering,” exhorts the writer to the Hebrews. And so many Christians do – some in their daily intercessions, and many more at least once a week over a mug of coffee after being prompted by emails, Facebook updates or tweets from Open Doors, Christian Solidarity Worldwide or The Voice of the Martyrs. There is so much persecution of Christians in the world, so much of the Church weeping and suffering, that the burden to remember them all becomes almost intolerable.

And somehow it’s easier to remember those who are dramatically gunned downed in Paris than those who are ritually slaughtered in Baga.

Baga? Where’s that, you might ask.

And that’s the problem.

How is it that 17 French deaths – 12 of whom worked for a magazine variously described as ‘atheist’, ‘disrespectful’ and ‘blasphemous’ – can unite world leaders not only in their political denunciation but also with a short-notice physical presence in a global show of fraternal solidarity, while 2,000 Nigerian deaths are met with shrugs of indifference, if not the torpor of insensible fatigue?

Is it that al-Qaeda is more household, while Boko Haram is cloaked in geo-political mystery? Is it that the 17 were mostly white, rich, enlightened and European, while the 2,000 were black, poor, uneducated and African? Is it that the French attack was on atheists and Jews, while the Nigerian onslaught is against Christians? Is it that the 17 were us, and the 2,000 were them or some other?

Or is it that it’s easier to share in the suffering of magazine cartoonists and shoppers in a deli than it is even to begin to imagine the harassment, violence and bloodshed of our brothers and sisters in a world of fathomless deviance and ineffable evil? Just google Nigeria + massacre and select ‘images’ and you will see with your own eyes the murderous reign of terror: the charred remains of women, children hacked to pieces, babies with their brains blown out. Ian Bremmer tweeted the latest statistics of the numbers killed by Boko Haram in Nigeria:

2009: 700
2010: 75
2011: 600
2012: 1650
2013: 3000
2014: 7700
Last week: 2000+

And only last weekend, 16 people were mercilessly blown to pieces by a 10-year-old girl forced to wear a jacket packed with explosives. She wasn’t a “child suicide bomber”, as some in the media reported: she was an abused child, cruelly coerced by malignant militants intent on purging the land of every spec of Western perception and every droplet of Western enlightenment. Iraq has ISIS/ISIL; Lebanon has Hezbollah; Israel has Hamas; Syria has the al-Nusra Front; South Sudan has the SPLA; Nigeria has Boko Haram. And we have al-Qaeda. Actually, the whole world has al-Qaeda, for some of these groups are affiliates, and there are many others, disparate and divided, but united in their theo-political objective.

According to Roman Catholic Archbishop Ignatius Kaigama, the West is ignoring Boko Haram violence. Observing the reaction to the Paris atrocities, he said: “We need that spirit to be spread around. Not just when (an attack) happens in Europe, but when it happens in Nigeria, in Niger, in Cameroon. We (must) mobilise our international resources and face or confront the people who bring such sadness to many families.” According to Michael Coren, it is the war that no one wants to talk about. He writes of the 2010 attack on Our Lady of Salvation Syriac Catholic church in Baghdad, in which 58 worshippers were slaughtered and a further 75 gravely injured. He holds a Bible, “the pages glued together in crimsons and purples by the blood of the martyrs who were slaughtered merely for being followers of Christ”. And as he writes his article, he tells us:

..I am holding in my hand some spent bullets and shrapnel used in that same attack, picked up from the floor of the devastated church. I use them as relics, trying by holding and feeling them to experience just a shadow, a glimpse, of the suffering of my brothers and sisters in Christ that night so far away. It is the least I can do.

If we are to understand this Islamist evil, we need both to confront its geo-political objectives and be honest about its religious inspiration. And if we are even to begin to understand how to pray for Nigeria, we need to listen to church leaders like Archbishop Ignatius Kaigama and broadcasters like Michael Coren. And it might help us as we do to have a picture up on the computer screen or a relic in our hand as we appeal to the Lord to strengthen the suffering souls of the martyrs, and for the forgiveness of their persecutors.

  • sarky

    Sadly the answer is simple. A white European life is seen as to have more value than a black african one. Heartbreaking!

    • Phil R

      I completely understand (but not agree) how Atheists can justify different treatment of humans based on race.

      However, what annoys me is that our Christian Leaders appear by their inaction to consider the lives of orthodox poor Christians to be far less important than finding ways to agree with the immoral behavour of a minority but powerful group of rich liberals in the Church.

      • sarky

        Woah, wait a minute. Its not just atheists who treat people differently because of race. In fact with the atheists i know it’s just the opposite. Remember it wasnt that long ago the bible was used to justify the slave trade.

        • Guest

          I am deeply offended – not!
          However since Stupidity is not a crime Phil – you carry on old lad while I put on a dry pair of pants.

        • The Explorer

          Yes, it’s a good point. The Southern slave owners seem to have used the Old Testament to justify slavery; the abolitionists used the New Testament to attack it.
          There were likewise Enlightenment figures on both sides of the issue. Tom Paine, in this instance, would have been on the same side as Wilberforce. Locke, on the other hand, bought shares in a slaving company. And yet Locke was a deeply humane individual. All very confusing. To me, anyway.

          • IanCad

            Now is as good a time as any to reflect on the fact that the most culpable of all in the ghastly salve trade were the Muslim Arabs.
            The Southern slave owners should not bear the entire focus of blame.

          • The Explorer

            Quite. The Arabs carried on a slave trade long after the British had abolished theirs. They can’t be accused of using the Bible as justification, but your post is a salutary reminder that Muslim atrocities in Africa have a long history.

          • sarky

            Nothing like a shift of focus!! Muslims and christians were equally culpable so don’t try and take the moral high ground based on recent events.
            The problem is that until the West sees the people of Africa as equal then atrocities will continue to be ignored.

          • Phil R

            The West sees certain types of people in Africa as equal but not others.

            Most of the West is Atheist and so it objects not so much to the colour of the African’s skin but to the fact that in the main they are both religious and hold traditional values.

            It is Christianity that is growing in Africa and South America at between 4 and 10 times the rate of population growth.

          • sarky

            I dont think religion has anything to do with it. I’ll stick with my original point!

          • IanCad

            Upper case Muslim, lower case Christian.
            A pretty good indication as to where your sympathies lie.

          • sarky

            Or it could be that muslim is at the begining of a sentence!! (My use of capitals is hit and miss)
            I never said all societies are equal, but I truly think all people are (even christians)

          • IanCad

            Now I see that it was at the start of a sentence.
            I should be the last to criticize when it comes to grammar.

        • Phil R

          The Christian slaver owners you refer to sadly are in many ways similar to liberal Christians today.

          They accepted the prevalent worldview and tried to fit their lives to the culture. They could not rise above their time

      • Dreadnaught

        I am deeply offended – not!
        However since, Stupidity is not a crime Phil – you carry on old lad while I put on a dry pair of pants.

        • CliveM

          You also seem to have posted this as guest?

          • Dreadnaught

            slight glitch with discus when I logged on can’t delete – cheers CM

        • Phil R

          Your point is?

  • The Explorer

    Most Brits could pick out France on a map, and many could identify Paris.
    But a lot of them couldn’t tell you where Nigeria is. And as for Baga…

    • sarky

      Whats that got to do with anything? Or does lack of geographical knowledge mean you give less of s@#t!

      • The Explorer

        My comment was with reference to HG’s paragraph 3.

  • IanCad

    Got to be careful here.
    It’s rather tough for the deeply politically correct West to criticize those of the favoured hue.

    • Busy Mum

      Exactly – this is one African problem that cannot be blamed on the white colonial past.

  • magnolia

    This is a brilliant corrective to our often unexamined prejudices. Each of these lives matters equally yet they are not treated as such.

    To be honest those cartoons, though the cartoonists had the right to free speech, were not sophisticated satire. We have become used to high standards from our published media, though not on that subject, clearly….

    As for the politicians photo op, it looked very different from above, as all you could see was the politicians, in five or six lines, with no one behind at all, and probably security on the sidelines. Photo op, coffee & croissants I should imagine. How mean of some people to point out their own records on free speech were …umm…decidedly chequered. David Cameron is coming against encryption as it means the very p.c. LGBT friendly MI5 cannot read all your comments and e-mails on contentious issues, like Elm House, for instance, and they need to, in order to protect us all, and …of course…some in particular.

  • Royinsouthwest

    Perhaps I am being rather cynical but I suspect that among the reasons for the lack of publicity for the atrocities in Nigeria are these two:

    1. Boko Haram espouses the same religio-politico ideology as the jihadists in Europe and the Middle East which would make it harder for western politicians to pretend that terrorism had nothing to do with a particular religion.

    2. Terrorism in Nigeria cannot be excused as a response to Zionism. Acknowledging that would make it harder to explain away terrorism in Europe and the Middle East.

  • The Explorer

    An attempt to answer the question in HG’s title.
    Aristotle says tragedy, to be successful, must arouse pity and fear. Nigeria may arouse pity, but not fear. It’s too far away.
    Whereas, Paris…

    • CliveM

      Clever man that Aristotle.

  • Darach Conneely

    (1) As you point out, we find it easier to empathise with people like ourselves in a country like ours. But Jesus picked a despised foreigner to show what loving our neighbour is.
    (2) The problems in Africa are too big: poverty, corruption, malaria, famine, we have learned to live with them coming up occasionally on the news. We blank them out unless they threaten us directly (Ebola).
    (3) But concern about northern Nigeria would mean wanting our governments to be involved and the place looks way much too like Vietnam.

  • The West taking action in Africa to protect and defend the population against Islamists would legitimise Israel’s proactive and defensive war on terror. It breaks the narrative of the Left. Suddenly, the ‘freedom fighters’ of a ‘suppressed minority’ are revealed for what they are – murdering terrorists.

  • CliveM

    Why the silence? Well for all the reasons you have clearly outlined. I would like to add one other however; the visual media. It’s a brutal truth, but in our digital age, if a news story comes with some visuals, our 24 hr news Channels will put it out on a loop. No visuals? It will be lucky to get a mention.

    Got to fill the news with something that will keep that attention of the ‘masses’.

  • Phil R

    I am really pleased that this inconsistency has been highlighted.

    Roy’s comment about it breaking the narrative of the Left (The West?) in Israel is a new slant on it which I had not thought about before.

    I assumed tht there was a racial element, but the main reason was that Nigerians are poor and the victims were mostly Orthodox Christians. Some of which have been very vocal about questioning our moral behaviour in the West and indeed the morals of the CofE.

    The CofE in the main refuses to make their plight a priority because of this criticism and the the fact that the Nigerians Church leaders vocally identify their plight with weak moral leadership within the CofE.

  • Dreadnaught

    And today Pope Frank says religion should not be insulted. What a fool.

    • What he said was: “One cannot provoke, one cannot insult other people’s faith, one cannot make fun of faith.”

      He also said: “One cannot offend, make war, kill in the name of one’s own religion, that is, in the name of God. To kill in the name of God is an aberration.”

      • Dreadnaught

        He’s a bloody idiot.

        • Maybe. However, what he’s saying is that there are moral limits to freedom of speech. Francis has previously said that both freedom of faith and freedom of speech are fundamental human rights. He’s also saying these freedoms should not be abused.

          • Dreadnaught

            He nor his Church did anything to establish those freedoms – far from it.

          • We’re discussing a Pope’s words in 2015 Dreadnaught, not 1215.

          • I f*rt in the Pope’s face. He’s a clown. My mother taught me ‘sticks and stones may break my bones but names can never harm me’ and she would be most upset if I hit someone for saying something rude about her.

            We are specifically commanded in the NT to return blessing for curse and not to avenge ourselves. But I agree that crude mockery is not the best approach. An objective evaluation of the origin, beliefs, deeds, outcomes and goals of Islam appeals to me more. However, that could equally get my head cut off.

            Why won’t today’s Church leaders tell it like it is about Islam? I almost miss Fred Phelps.

          • Are there limits? Who sets these limits and polices them?
            You see there’s the danger of Stasi style monitoring and the inevitable loss of freedom of speech. I think what he probably meant was anyone who makes threats as opposed to insults.

          • Dreadnaught

            Surely, anyone can feel insulted if the so chose. The Danish cartoons, even Rushdie’s Satanic Verses caused insulted muslims to engage in murderous rampage never having seen or read either. I still think Papa Frank’s a bloody idiot.

          • Linus

            What the Pope really means is that blasphemy laws should be enacted to prevent religions from being criticized and ridiculed by those who do not believe in them.

            Of course it will still be OK to criticize and ridicule Atheism.

            Ah well, what can you expect from an Argentinian? Totalitarianism is part of their cultural heritage. Why allow free speech when you can form a junta and impose your will on everyone else?

          • That’s not what he meant at all, Linus.

          • Linus

            What’s the difference between blasphemy laws and “moral limits to freedom of speech”?

            The Pope wants us to self-censor so that he doesn’t have to call for blasphemy laws and look like the bad guy.

            It’s an old trick. One that Jack is very familiar with. Trying to manipulate your opponents into doing of their own volition what you dare not be seen trying to impose on them against their will. Bergoglio is a Jesuit. ‘Nuff said.

            Actually, no … ’nuff not said. He’s living proof that a once crafty order has fallen off terribly. Must be something to do with the vocations drought. When a generation of priests consists mainly of closet cases and/or psychotic religious obsessives, standards fall precipitously. We’ve touched a new low with this Pope. “You toucha my Mamma, I breaka your face, capisce ?” Is this the new Gospel according to Papapaco? Paparatzi come back. All is forgiven!

          • Surprisingly, Linus, a number of good Catholics agree with your estimation of the Jesuit order and opinion of Pope Francis. Jack’s position is: “Who are we to judge?”

          • Linus

            Ah, I see. So you’ll judge me and go into detailed descriptions of why you think I’m suffering from some kind of arrested development, but you won’t judge the Pope, eh?

            Could it be that you believe the Pope holds the keys to heaven, so you don’t think it would be a good idea to annoy him?

            The self-interest of it all!

          • If Pope Francis blogged here Happy Jack would offer to assist him with whatever psychological difficulties he revealed. Besides, it would be impolite to be rude to the Pope. You are French; it doesn’t count.

          • Linus

            I see your delusions of grandeur know no limits. Nor your belief in yourself.

            It’s looking more and more like PPD. One of the most difficult disorders to treat. Are you at least in treatment?

  • Phil R

    It amuses me to see that the French one day all keen on freedom of speech and it seems today we hear that they have arrested 70 or so people for saying the wrong thing over the last few days.

    This includes a comedian who apparently stated (in jest) that he feels like going out and shooting people occasionally.

    All the fine words about standing up to people who threaten our freedom and free speech did not last long.

    Clearly freedom of speech means you can say whatever you like as long as we agree with what you say and give you permission to say it.

    • The Explorer

      70 have been arrested at a pro-Palestinian rally for throwing rocks at the police. Actions speaking louder than words. Are they the ones you mean, or is there a second group of 70?

  • Inspector General

    Africans have been murdering and maiming each other for no reason and all reasons from the time the first proto human learnt how to pick up a stone and use it. It’s embedded in the DNA, and thus African men’s brain structures. That it still carries on today throughout that wretched continent not only comes as no surprise to the greater part of humanity who have long ago moved on, it is actually to be expected. Hence, 2000 dead Nigerians is by no means anything to get worked up over. It happened, it is happening, and it will happen again. In fact, it seems a reasonably small figure. A manageable amount.

    If you want it to stop, you do something called colonisation. You run the country for them, and you maintain law and order for them. You also keep the press well away from counter insurgency measures you will be required to mount. Private Tommy Atkins needs to be able to go into the bush and put the scoundrels responsible to death without hindrance. That way, the violence will soon decline. African murdering African will become very unpopular when the perpetrators realise they’re going to end up on the sharp end of a British bayonet.

    There you have it Cranmer. Let it never be said the Inspector fails to inspire all with hope. Hope for a better time on this earth, for those who deserve it.

    Postscript. The above is all quite dispassionate. One was dispassionate about Charlie Hebdo too. When events occur that are outside your sphere of influence, it pays to be dispassionate. As for actually doing something effective against Boko Haram, like the West taking over security in Nigeria, don’t get your hopes up. Some things are well beyond the pale these days. Anything but showing up the black African nations for the pitifully run tragedies that they are. Anything but THAT…

    • Dreadnaught

      If you want it to stop, you do something called colonisation.

      If you really want to appear less of a figure of a fun-loving racist on this blog read Leopold’s Ghost. No Offence intended.

      • Inspector General

        We all know about what the Belgians did in the Congo. Your point being…

        • Dreadnaught

          I don’t think we know (or care) very much at all, if your view is in any way representative of an educated European majority.

          • Inspector General

            If you accede to the outrageous suggestion that the Belgians wiped out 50% of the native population then we really are in grassy knoll land, aren’t we…

          • Dreadnaught

            Seriously, I recognise the value of your occasionally amusing contributions on here but I seldom engage to avoid gratuitous slagging entertainment for other ‘characters’. I mention the book on recommendation of the footnotes. Either way its a very good read.

          • Inspector General

            One is thus indebted to you then. But this man will leave you with one thought. In the early part of the 21st century, the world can live with a couple of thousand Nigerian dead here and there, without resonating at all, really. Towards then end of this century, men will look back to this time and ask how did we allow it to happen without intervening. That’s an opinion based on similar in the past century gone.

          • Dreadnaught

            The point is they and thousands of others including many Christians have died in the name of Islam. I’m Out.

      • carl jacobs


        You are correct. Excellent book. Difficult to read though.

    • CliveM

      Considering the numbers killed in WWI, the numbers killed in WWII, the obscenities perpetrated by various ‘white’ nations both, before, during and after the wars. The conflicts in the Balkans, the little local difficulties in N Ireland, Basque region and other places, I’m not sure Europeans are in a strong position to judge.

      • Inspector General

        It’s the here and now, Clive. The living flesh which is in danger…

        • CliveM

          If you can be sure of the target, I have no problem with wiping out every jihadist going. What I think we need to be wary of is believing we are morally superior. There is nothing in out history to support that and a lot that would question it.

          • Inspector General

            We ARE morally superior, old chap. We just are…

          • CliveM

            Ok, in what way?

          • Inspector General

            My dear fellow, just look around you. Any evidence of the religiously slaughtered anywhere ?

          • CliveM

            In 1995 300 Muslim men were slaughtered by ‘Christian’ forces in the town of Srebrenica.

            My point isn’t that Africa is a moral oasis, my point is you don’t have to scratch to far below the surface of European nations or go to far back (within the lifetime of tens of thousands of our countrymen) to see behaviour of equal or greater cruelty.

          • Inspector General

            IQ plays a massive part, Clive. You can expect IQs of around 70 in Africans. To illustrate the problem, there’s no point being sent to college if your IQ is less than 85. You won’t learn anything. You can’t. You don’t have the brain synapses present to retain what you’ve learnt. (The average Brit has an IQ of 103. Which seems rather high to the Inspector from what he’s seen the average Brit get up to, but that’s for another time…)

            There seems to be one advantage with a low IQ. You can kill your neighbour and think nothing of it…

          • CliveM

            Hitler had an IQ of 141. How many sleepless nights did he have do you think as the ovens where being stoked?

          • Inspector General

            Did he really ?

          • CliveM

            If I’m honest I found it on google. So may not be completely reliable!

          • Inspector General

            You seem to be like a dog with a bone tonight. ({AHEM}, one is not being rude…)

            Is it because you’re seeing Johnny Negro in a new light. What makes him tick. That sort of thing…

          • CliveM

            Feeling argumentative! :0)

            Also, whilst I believe some cultures are inferior, I believe races are pretty much the same.

          • Inspector General

            By all means Clive, follow your beliefs. but whatever you do, don’t inspect the truth behind them too closely. Not if you want to retain your beliefs as they are…

          • CliveM

            So you believe all cultures have equal value?!

          • Inspector General


          • Royinsouthwest

            The muslims were Bosnians who were slaughtered by Serbs. That doesn’t make the massacre any the less evil but the motivation was not the same as that in Nigeria where Boko Haram claim to be doing God’s work.

      • sarky

        Please note that I don’t condone terrorism in any form. However, it is also worth remembering that in the last three decades the Americans have been directly/indirectly responsible for the deaths of a million (Conservative estimate) muslims in the middle east. We remove regimes with no clear plan of what to do after. The ensuing chaos causes resentment and hatred towards the West. It also creates a vacuum in which terrorism can thrive.
        I think we need to take a hard look at ourselves and realise that we are part of the problem.

        • CliveM

          Sadly you are correct with regards the Wests actions in Iraq.

          The second Iraq war was badly misconceived and mishandled and led to the deaths of lots of innocent people.

        • carl jacobs


          Are you blaming us for the Iran/Iraq War as well? Your figures are total garbage.

          • sarky

            No, but I am blaming you for the mess left afterwards. As for the figures, they came from one of your fellow countrymen.

  • DanJ0

    It might also be worth googling “anti-balaka Séléka” regarding the Central African Republic where both Christian and Muslim militias have been murdering each other and the local population for a year or more now.

  • Albert

    Thank you for posting this. Is the problem that they are just the wrong kind of people?

  • preacher

    Maybe I’m just getting more cynical in my mature years, or perhaps I’ve learned & seen a lot of things more clearly.
    The sad fact is. that political leaders don’t care about the suffering experienced by the helpless & innocent which has been going on for thousands of years but due to the lack of worldwide communications until recently they have been able to hide behind a facade of ignorance.
    When Wilberforce started to rock the boat, he was shouted down & ignored by his contemporaries.

    Now the cat is out of the bag, we see their true colours. Joining together & linking arms at the front of the parade, posturing in comparative safety while the media displays their ‘heroic’ stand for ‘freedom’ – or is it publicity?.

    Too late gentlemen, the stable door is open & the horse is loose, – the pale one & his companions aren’t far behind.
    But there are elections to win & power to grasp for. “Vanity, Vanity, all is vanity says the Preacher”.

    • IanCad

      Good one, Preacher.

  • The Explorer

    Nigeria and France may be poles apart. The common factor uniting them is conflict with Islam.
    When Pope Benedict was still Cardinal Ratzinger, he suggested that the future of Europe would be fought out between Islam and Secular Humanism. Nigeria, Sudan, East Timor etc suggest that for the Third World the struggle may be between Islam and Christianity. China and Russia have internal conflict with their Muslim minorities. Israel? Well, guess what’s the common factor…
    Islam versus whatever isn’t Islam: that looks like the shape of things to come for the foreseeable future.

  • Old Blowers

    Your Grace asks ;
    “Is it that the 17 were mostly white, rich, enlightened and European, while the 2,000 were black, poor, uneducated and African? Is it that the French attack was on atheists (INDEED!) and Jews (They just happened to be bit players/those unknown extras in Star Trek, that are seen at the opening episode but are mere collateral damage to the drama of the main players (Secularists- the supremely good human beings and who are the only ones worthy of tears and grief and who have the true expression of freedom of speech that can only be found in their ideology…well except for ‘persecuted’ muslims such as in Gaza, China, Chechnya etc etc etc), while the Nigerian onslaught is against Christians (ABSOLUTELY!)? Is it that the 17 were us (NO), and the 2,000 were them or some other”

    Change the 2000 to Yazidi or shia and you have the west faling alover itself to grief and offer support but be the Christian…need I say more or have I misinterpreted or falsely represented recent events in Iraq.

    The one true profane faith that concerns the west is the secularist militant branch of atheism, that is what they believe is the wellspring of all that is good in liberal western man and for who all must weep and unite together with.

    This chap cannot get upset or vainly state ‘Je Suis un Droit/Gauche Propre Charlie’ as the writers murdered are Christ’s enemies and I have nothing temporally or eternally in common with their vile stand against Him who I Love.

    Atheism, homosexuality and Islam are a protected BLESSED secular enforced trinity that are unable to live or integrate together similar to oil and water.

    The moderate and extremist are almost identical in belief on the true basics about Allah and Mohammed and enforced sharia (FUNDAMENTALISM!!) except that one is prepared to stay silent and bide their time for a sharia state through patience and out producing non muslims with their young until the balance is tilted, whilst the other does Allah’s dirty work NOW..For the moderate it is ‘Allah may accomplish his will here tomorrow’ whereas the extremist says ‘Allah says there is no better day than today’.


    Humanity always seems to weep bitterly for the things of humanit,y that are wicked and temporary but not the things of God, that are good and eternal.

    • The Explorer

      “Christ’s enemies.” Also Islam’s enemies. And a compelling example that my enemy’s enemy is not necessarily my friend.

      • Old Blowers

        “And a compelling example that my enemy’s enemy is not necessarily my friend.”
        Mohammed states it most vigorously in the Koran yet most people are blind to these statements

        Islam/Allah/Mohammed is very clear in teaching that there is
        no equality between believers and unbelievers, and hence no basis for a relationship of peers/equals.

        It is stated that those who do not profess Muhammad are intended to exist in subjugation to those who do, then spend eternity in Hell.


        Islamic comedienne (I know, Oxymoron!) on This Week stating that Mohammed was mocked and ridiculed BUT ROSE ABOVE IT. WTH.

        BBC propogating lies via untruths despite what the Koran and haddiths states as historical evidence.


        Islamic commedienne needs to attend Ernst’s school of comedy post haste as failed to raise even a titter despite canned laughter assisting.

    • sarky

      “This chap cannot get upset or vainly state ‘Je Suis un Droit/Gauche Propre Charlie’ as the writers murdered are Christ’s enemies and I have nothing temporally or eternally in common with their vile stand against Him who I Love.”

      You do realise that what you have written could just as easily have been written by the extremists you claim to be so against?

      • Old Blowers

        Have I said they should have been killed.You really struggle with arguments that have a specific force of reason, do you not?

        Lots of people die everyday. Good people, yet nobody gives a hoot for the valuable lives they have lived, to make society a better place and the only people who know this are those they have loved and been loved back in return.

        The people at Charlie Hebdo believed they had total impunity from the religious in their midst after attacking Christ, Christians and Jews in particular but unfortunately chose to pick a fight with those peace loving chaps who take no prisoners when Mohammed is offended especially atheists like yourself.

        A Christian will be offended and say God wil deal with them whereas Allah demands muslims feel his offense and take matters into their own hands, as occurred.

        There is a world of difference between a christian and a muslim’s response to being offended or slandered as you gay people may find out sooner rather than later.

        Toodle Pip

        Vous êtes un propre sarky athée, Adieu!

        Blofeld said Proper Sarky like *Chuckles*

  • Old Blowers

    Off to watch tonights Question Time …Conservative Anna Soubry, Labour’s Douglas Alexander, historian and TV presenter David Starkey and political journalist Medhi Hasan.
    This should be interesting..Starkey maybe coming into form tonight if Hassan is on panel..Gay Atheist vs Muslim Leftie. Compulsive viewing!!! *Uncontrollable Chortles*

    Lets get ready to RRRRRRRRRRRumble.

  • Shadrach Fire

    Let us not forget,
    I know a number of Nigeria Christians and Missionaries and we need to keep them in our prayers. The vice principle of a Bible College there was murdered in a road side attack. Our Church now helps to support his family.

  • Old Blowers

    Forget that…News Alert.

    Enlightened Musim Leftie, pre selected socialist biased audience and LibLab/Con one voice/vision politicos usurp Secular Gay Athiest.

    ‘ Persecuted’ trumps ‘Politburo’. or peace loving alien parasite vigorously eats unwitting blind/deaf/dumb host from the inside out.

    • Inspector General

      Blowers, one rarely engages with Question Time. The blasted producers seen to be embarrassed at white faces in the audience, unless they sprout punk hairstyles or are obvious drug addicts…

      • Old Blowers

        Now bitterly regret watching it but the blog was deathly quiet.

        My excuse and I’m sticking to it *giggles*

        • The Explorer

          Damp squib, wasn’t it? Mehdi Hasan’s interesting Islamic narrative seemed open to dispute. Starkey’s verdict of “Rubbish!” seemed promising, but his drowning out by the rest of the panel was as inevitable as the programme’s downward slide from that point on.
          A debate, though, between Hasan and Starkey about Hasan’s version of things would have been terrific.

      • Martin

        Question Time is regarded as ‘entertainment’ by the BBC and must meet their definition of entertainment as ‘liberal’ PC left wing education for the masses. Any Questions on the Radio is much the same, the presenter of AQ no longer bothers to turn up for the reply programme, Any Answers..

  • Ian G
  • Ivan M

    Boko Haram like the ISIS is mainly a confederacy to seize females and the property of others. The religious overlay would not work, if they did not have any success in the field. The Darwinians have a better angle on this than those looking for some clash of religions. The solution to this problem is a military one. Variants of these groups have been preying on the Africans in Congo and Liberia and Uganda for some decades now with the toll running into millions. The fact is the Africans cant hack it as multicultural nation states since they are more tribal than one is led to believe by both the Left and the Jesus people.

    • The Explorer

      I agree that we should not idealise Nigeria. In ‘Zanzibar to Timbuktu’, Theodore Dalrymple says the one thing the Nigerians can agree on is that Nigeria is the most financially corrupt place in the world.

      • Ivan M

        In addition the problem is that these are weak states. They are unable to defend their borders or impose their will within it . Now of course the African nationalists will blame the colonial powers for it, having drawn the borders as such. Though no amount gerrymandering would have solved the ethnic conflicts endemic in that place. In place of a realistic understanding of the situation the do-gooders posited some unreal ideals about the populace.

  • Linus

    I’m gay. I’m not going to Nigeria. I’ve just done a web search on the country to find out more about it, as we hear little of Nigeria here in France. I’ve seen what happens to gay people there. If I set foot in Nigeria, I’ll be lynched, then cut down, then necklaced. And that’s just the warm-up round.

    It’s very hard for me to feel any empathy or even sympathy for a people with one of the worst records of anti-gay violence, torture and murder on the planet. If they want to be treated as equals, why won’t they act like equals? If they’re suffering so badly, perhaps they should ask themselves what it is about their culture that brought them to where they are. It can’t just be Islam. From what I’ve read, anti-gay attacks are just as frequent and violent in Christian areas of the country.

    So no, I will not be participating in any rally in support of Nigeria. Let hand-wringing Welby go there and say “oh please stop murdering the gays, I know they’re filthy but it’s just not nice!” We’ll see if they pay any attention, shall we?

    • Phil R

      It is the Western Church’s tolerance of homosexualitythat is perceived by muslim to to give rationale for the killings

      • Linus

        Christians kill gays in Nigeria too. Anti-gay violence is just as bad in Christian areas of the country as it is in the states where Islam is practiced. So this isn’t about Islam v. Christianity. It runs much deeper than that.

        If you think the Western Church taking a tougher stance against homosexuality will somehow make Nigerians stop murdering gays, you’re living in cloud cuckoo land. It’s a typical paternalistic colonial attitude. Africa looks to you for its lead, does it? I don’t think so. They’ve seen the Western Church lose all relevance to the bulk of Western people. Why do you think they’d respect failure and irrelevance? Look at the rhetoric coming out of the African leaders of Gafcon. They look to no lead but their own.

        • Phil R

          I am not saying that.

          The Muslims are using the West’s stance (esp the Church) on homosexuality as justification for attacking Christian.

          It has nothing to do with colonial attitudes as it is the African Bishops that have stated that the West’s acceptance of homosexuality puts them in danger, as they are associated in the minds of Muslims with Western values.

          Whether or not Christians kill gays (Another story from Pink News?) as well as Muslims is not the issue under discussion.

      • DanJ0

        If that’s what they think then the fault is all theirs.

    • Royinsouthwest

      So, you have no sympathy with those school girls who were kidnapped last year and sold off as sex slaves?

      • Linus

        Some sympathy, although it’s strongly tinged with the knowledge of what those girls will grow up to be regardless of whether they’re rescued or not. Anti-gay violence is just as bad in Christian areas of Nigeria as it is in Muslim areas. What if my actions helped free them and then one or more of them participated in a mob that lynched a gay man? I’d never forgive myself.

        Of course you can’t anticipate such crimes before they happen. In principle I would support freeing anyone who’s been kidnapped and sexually abused. Not even homophobes deserve that. But to go to Nigeria, where my own life would be at significant risk, in order to participate in a demonstration alongside thousands of Nigerians who would, if they found out I was gay, tear me limb from limb, now that would be a senseless and suicidal act of quixotism on my part.

        So you go tilt at windmills in Nigeria. Join Wonga Welby and save those girls and their country from Boko Haram terrorism. They need peace and freedom so they can go about their daily lives and persecute and murder gays at their leisure.

    • carl jacobs

      Teenage girls get kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery, and this is what you come up with as a response? They deserve it because they would grow up to be anti-gay.

      You are a piece of work, Linus.

      • Linus

        Believe what you want to believe. You’re a Christian. You already do.

        Your faith tells you not to judge others lest you be judged. Well, you are judged. And not favorably. Are hypocritical Christians who bitch about the faults of others while advertising their own all across the Internet going to heaven or hell? Ah yes, I forgot. All they have to do is say “sowwy, I pwomise I won’t do it again!” and all is forgiven.

        Watch out all you pious Christians. If carl keeps on groveling every time he sins and the Lord keeps on forgiving him, he’ll get to heaven and you’ll have to spend eternity with him.

        Hell sounds like a better deal to me.

        • carl jacobs

          You wrote that first post knowing full well that fourteen year-old girls were being kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery. And yet you wrote it anyways. And then you tried to cover your tracks with “Some Sympathy” and “Not even homophobes deserve that.” But if you didn’t actually believe what I said, you would never have written that first post. It would never have occurred to you to do so. Because the reality of girls getting kidnapped into sexual slavery has nothing to do with a gay rights agenda. It stands on its own as worthy of condemnation. But you betrayed yourself by refusing to condemn it.

          Until it was posted out, that is. Too late.

          • Linus

            “I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve.”

            But he won’t need to search my heart, will he? Because you’ve already done so and found it wanting.

            Didn’t know he’d deputized you to act on his behalf. Of course he can’t have really, because he doesn’t exist. But I’m just trying to run with you in the midst of your delusion. It ain’t easy. The game plan changes every five minutes, and always in your favour! Must be great knowing God is always on your side and will always punish your enemies for their sins, but never you. And also great to know that you can behave like a hypocrite and bear false witness against anyone you like, and still God will be there for you.

            Christianity, that most malleable and ego-centered of religions. Perfect for Americans.

          • carl jacobs

            Hey, don’t blame me for the crime of pointing out the obvious. I didn’t make you write that post. I didn’t make you write it in that context. You did that to yourself all by yourself. Either own your words, or think before you write. But don’t whine when you are brought up short.

            Imagine a situation where homosexual men are being dragged into the street and castrated. If I said “I find it hard to sympathize because they are homosexual” what would you have said about me? What would it say about me if I said that? The analogy is exact. Some actions transcend disagreement, you see. At least for most people here.

          • Linus

            What? You think I’m apologizing for my post? Think again!

            I meant every word of that post. I will not protest on behalf of people whose dearest wish is to see me and everyone like me exterminated.

            I will also not take lessons in morality from a self-righteous and hypocritical Christian who ignores the moral dictates of his own religion whenever it’s convenient for him to do so. Judge not lest ye be judged clearly has no meaning for you. Usurping your god’s right to judge is your daily bread and butter.

            And then you criticize me for not believing in him! I tell you, if I’m wrong and he dies exist, on the day of judgment I’ll be better off in my shoes than you will be in yours.

            You believe, but despite this you still act as if you were God and ignore his command to die to yourself and do what he wants you to do. Rebellious and self-aggrandizing traitors are always more severely punished than sincere enemies.

            Look to your own salvation before concerning yourself with mine.

          • Phil R

            “Rebellious and self-aggrandizing traitors are always more severely punished than sincere enemies”

            There is no punishment Linus and thankfully for me at least salvation is not subject to me passing a moral behaviour exam

            I am quite prepared to accept that as a Christian that my morals maybe regarded by God as being worse than yours.

          • DanJ0

            If you think people can wish a change to their sexual orientation then you’ve an awful lot to learn. Of course, you’d need to be willing and open to learning … and I expect that’ll be a problem with you on this particular topic.

          • Phil R

            The evidence is that homosexuality is a learned behaviour. A number of gays testify agree and talk about turning boys

          • The post was despicable Linus. How can you even try to defend it? Why not just say you made an error of judgement in the heat of the moment and unconditionally withdraw it? No, the egotistical, narcissistic aspects of your character means you can never admit a flaw.

            i>”I’ll be better off in my shoes than you will be in yours.”

            Don’t count on that, Linus. All the imperfect Christians in the world will not cover you when you meet Christ. You have no excuse before God for denying and insulting Him unless you are so ignorant or psychologically damaged as to be incapable of rational or moral judgement. And that is not the case. Christians are called upon to point out error in behaviour and also to defend the Truth. That is not sinful. We do not judge the soul or degree of personal culpability as only God can do this.

          • Linus

            God recommends that fathers let their daughters be raped by a mob, which is surely a form of sexual slavery, rather than letting any harm come to their male houseguests. Lot is rewarded for proposing this by being saved from the destruction of his city.

            Fathers are also told to marry their daughters to their rapists, another form of sexual slavery. Unless of course the poor young women are killed first for the terrible crime of letting themselves be raped while not in earshot of any witnesses.

            Criticize me all you want, but your bible is full of examples of sexual slavery. Are you more moral than your own god? Or just so full of overweening pride that you refuse to believe he can think any differently from you?

            He can’t, of course, because he only exists in your head. You’ve borrowed him from the Bronze Age herdsmen who first created him, but along the way you’ve conveniently forgotten that their vision of him was of a genocidal, psychopathic maniac and you’ve superimposed your own Western ideals over the top of what they wrote down.

            Objecting to young girls being sold into sexual slavery is a secular virtue. In the bible young girls have no status and no rights and can be disposed of as their fathers see fit.

            Or is your problem with this kidnapping not the fate of the girls, but rather that the rights of their fathers to do what they please with them has been trampled on? That’s certainly the only biblical basis for objecting to their fate. The bible does not criticize slavery at all. Not even once.

            Rant all you like regarding my reservations about supporting any Nigerian cause. But at least be truthful that your own attitudes have nothing to do with your god, who couldn’t give a fig about what happens to young girls. Your so-called “Christianity” is just secularism in fancy dress.

          • You dare compare yourself and your manifest cowardice to an Angel of God? That’s your defence?

          • Linus

            Pontificate all you like from the safety of your own home, where you too are NOT making the trip to Nigeria to help kidnap victims. Your words are just words. The angry words of a man with huge pretensions and zero influence.

            Armchair activists like Sad Jack don’t change the world. They just sit on their fat behinds and spray their corrosive opinions out into the ether like digital skunks. They’re Walter Mitty type characters posing as blog warriors and living out some sort of adolescent fantasy of power and relevance while the skin they inhabit drags its way through a boring and mundane existence.

            Spray away, sad old Jack. Live out this fantasy to the full. You have nothing else left in your life, do you? Does every verbal blow you land win you another brownie point with your imaginary god? Are you expiating past sins this way? Or present ones? As the tone rises and your anger becomes more intense, the sexual overtones become even clearer to see. I’ve already told you I’m spoken for, but even if I wasn’t, “vicious old closet case” would not be one of the character traits I’d be looking for in potential boyfriends.

          • Such rage because your soulless, selfish cowardice has been exposed. Your narcissism and despair is palpable.

          • Linus

            I can tell when I’ve touched a nerve. Sad Jack’s grammar starts to suffer when he gets mad. Or madder, I should say.

            Keep on slinging the mud, Sad Jack. You’re like the giants in C.S. Lewis’s “The Silver Chair”. Your aim is so poor, I’m safer when you target me than I would be as an innocent bystander.

          • carl jacobs


            No skin off my nose if you refuse to apologize for it. You are the one who said sympathy for 14 year-old girls who are kidnapped into sexual slavery should be conditional. I am quite content for the readers of this thread to have seen you make that statement.

          • CliveM

            Note it was “some sympathy”. So qualified sympathy. Why ‘some’? Well there are some homophobes in Nigeria, so these girls are guilty by association. A Nigerian has been homophobic, therefore these girls share some guilt, simply by their nationality. Anyway they will grow up to be Gay bashers themselves won’t they? Of course they will, after all some Nigerians are homophobic.

            Of course none will be Gay themself. But if they are well Nigerians can be homophobic so they only deserve some sympathy for being kidnapped, raped, beaten and killed.

            Oh well I suppose we mustn’t judge. Otherwise we might come to the conclusion that he is a self regarding, narcissist.

        • Phil R

          “Hell sounds like a better deal to me”

          Then Hell is what you will get.

          So what is your problem?

          • Linus

            No problem with hell at all, although I didn’t know you held the keys of heaven and got to say who goes where. Am I talking to Papapaco? If so, hope you read my previous comment on another thread, you old goat.

            Don’t worry though. I won’t get hell. I’ll get oblivion. Just like you.

            The advantage of oblivion is that you could be right next to me and I would never know! Ignorance is bliss.

          • Phil R

            Oblivion/hell it is hell because of the complete absence of God.

            As I said before, there are no keys to heaven, but not all desire it.

            You go there because you desire to spend eternity with God.

            Not with Carl !

          • carl jacobs


            Not with Carl !

            Eh? Did I miss something?

          • Phil R

            Linus seems reluctant to consider Heaven if he accepts it as a possibility, because it seems, he fears that you might be there!

            He doesn’t fancy spending eternity with us.

            I cannot imagine why not

          • CliveM


    • Homosexuality does not seem to be illegal in Nigeria. Nor have I seen any evidence on line of the sort of violence against homosexuals that you describe.

      One problem for homosexuals in Africa is the information published (as I recall) in the ‘Lancet’ in 2010 that African male homosexuals are 25 times more likely to be HIV positive than their heterosexual peers. It is perceived that AIDS is being spread largely through bisexual activity. That is at least partly unfair, but when you consider the millions of Africans who have died from AIDS, it is not too surprising if they react badly to such information.

      ‘I’m gay.’

      Part of your problem, Linus, is that you confuse who you are with what you do.
      If someone is blind, deaf, paralysed, or Downs Syndrome, it’s who he is. Unless he has somehow inflicted his condition upon himself, he cannot be blamed for it.
      But if someone is morbidly obese, and says, “I’m fat, it’s who I am! Respect me!” Or if he’s a wife-beater or a compulsive gambler or an alcoholic, and says, “It’s who I am! Respect me!” His friends are entitled to say to him, “That’s not who you are; that’s what you do. You need to pull yourself together and change.” In fact, if they don’t say that, they’re not really his friends.
      So I say to you, as one who wishes you nothing but good; ‘gay’ is not what you are; homosexuality is what you do. And it’s bad for you in all sorts of ways, which you must know only too well. The health issues, both physical and mental, are pretty clear. You can change what you do. I’m quite sure it’s very hard, like giving up drink if you’re an alcoholic, or stopping gambling if you are hooked on it, but it can be done. If you choose not to do it, that is your right, but you and other homosexuals are not beyond criticism, because it’s not what you are; it’s what you do.

      • Linus

        You’re right. We shouldn’t define ourselves by what we do and we shouldn’t let others define us either.

        So the next time I hear someone say: “That Martin Marprelate is a self-righteous homophobic twat!” I’ll say: “No! Self-righteous homophobic twattery is merely what he does! It does not define who he is.”

        Only it kind of does…

        You’ve been drawn into a religious cult that assigns arbitrary moral values to various natural functions and calls them virtues or sins depending on how they serve its needs. And this despite benefiting, one assumes, from a modern scientific education.

        That’s the real sin. Letting basic logical deduction and common sense be clouded by tribal superstitions. It’s a sin against intelligence. Against human dignity.

        • Using bad language is a sure sign of a weak argument.
          The belief that the Universe could somehow make itself and all the laws by which it functions is so ridiculous that it can only be the product of self-centred minds that refuse to acknowledge any authority over themselves. ‘This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.’

          • Linus

            Thanks for the mumbo-jumbo. It’s been a while since anyone waved a Bible passage under my nose. Doesn’t happen nearly as often as it used to. It’s like Christians can’t even be bothered to read the Bible any more.

            And is twat really that bad a word? Why should a euphemism for a vagina be offensive? Don’t you like vaginas or something?

            I have no strong opinions about them myself. But I do like the sound of the word twat. It’s a grouping of consonants with a vowel sound that doesn’t really occur in French. Take an A, ram it up your sinuses and then let it fall out of your smiling mouth. The tongue has to work, the lips too. For a short word, it’s got it all.

            Be offended by another word rather than twat. You choose the word, but don’t tell me or I may be compelled to use it just to provoke a reaction. C’est l’esprit Charlie Hebdo …

          • You’ll have to try a whole lot harder than that to offend me. Water off a duck’s back.
            Please understand; you neither upset not offend me. I feel sorry for you.

          • Linus

            Two “I’m not offended”s in one short post!

            Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

          • I went to a boys’ Public School, so I’m very used to bad language of all sorts and used to use it myself until I grew up.
            As I said earlier, it’s always a good sign when people on discussion forums start using it because it’s a sure sign they know they’re losing the argument.

          • Linus

            Ah, the certainties of the middle classes.

            There’s no such thing as “bad” language. Every word has its place in the lexicon.

            What you’re really saying is that the word I chose to use offends you. And the middle classes hate being offended. It disturbs them in their certainties and forces them to realize that not everyone is as in love with them as they are themselves.

            Be offended. Live the experience! Enjoy it! But a word of advice: if your lift your nose any higher, we’ll be able to see things we’d rather not…

          • DanJ0

            The word is best vocalised in a Liverpool accent, for maximum effect.

          • DanJ0

            Have you considered it bad language might be a sign of exasperation instead? Or a literary device?

          • DanJ0

            However our reality came about, and speculating about a creator is quite reasonable in itself, what seems ridiculous to me is to leap from the notion of a creator of some sort to a human-centred theistic god which created such a vast space for us to live in that we can’t truly conceive of it or see all of it from afar, even with our best telescopes. The scale is all wrong for your religion, which was developed in a simpler age. Yours is a local, small-scale religion, exposed by the harsh light of modern knowledge.

      • DanJ0

        Is heterosexuality just about what you do? That is, you’re not heterosexual per se? If you think you are heterosexual then you’re talking bollocks about us. Experientially, I have no doubt we experience our sexual orientation in the same way.

        • I certainly don’t define myself as being heterosexual, nor do I go around thinking to myself, “I’m heterosexual.” Nor do I hang around in ‘Straight Bars,’ or ask people about their sexuality before I befriend them. Because I have been happily married for over 30 years I do not go about seeking heterosexual encounters.
          I am more in every way than my sexuality. Is that what you’re asking?

          • DanJ0

            I think you know exactly what I am saying and asking. I’m challenging your faith-based beliefs about homosexuality, which are generally accepted to be incorrect. You have an ideal opportunity to update them with reality if you so choose. That’s the benefit of having access to people who are gay in real life over a medium which allows a free, frank, and safe exchange of information.

  • One of the problems that one has to understand concerning Nigeria is that most of what passes for Christianity there is nothing of the kind. Please read this link by one of the most respected African pastors:

    It is the people in the North, the persecuted ones, who are most likely to be genuine Christians, since the ‘Christianity’ in most of the South would not stand up for one moment in the face of the kind of persecution that is coming from Boko Haram.
    It also helps to explain why Nigeria is so horrendously corrupt. If one believes in the wretched ‘Prosperity Gospel,’ then, when it doesn’t work, it is all too easy to think that maybe God needs a little help in making one rich. See 1 Timothy 6:4-10, 17-19.

    • Phil R

      I found the link interesting

      Correction… Nigeria is the 20th most corrupt African Nation. Which goes a long way to show how perceptions count.

      “Genuine Christians” I really dislike that phrase

      Your links are fine but the gist of it starts at the opening sentence of chapter 5

      “Do not rebuke an older man but encourage him as you would a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, in all purity.”

      Would I be pleased if a Nigerian megachurch with all its faults started up in a town near me?


      Wheat and tares Martin

  • Holy Things

    It is the scene of nightmares. In the burning, charred, amputated remnants that once was a village, a living community of beings, only one man remains alive – and that barely.

    Fortunately, the Inspector of Generals comes wading in. He sees this one in need amid the devastation. With his inimitable arrogance, he guffaws and says, “Oh. You’re an African. I thought you were someone better. You’re IQ is too low. You’re culture is too poor. You people simply cannot be redeemed. It would be best to ignore you.”

    And he walks on by.

    Fortunately, a Peanuts’ character, who defines his being by his sexuality, enters upon the pitiful scene. He goes part of the way to offering help and then stops. He says, “Oh. You’re Nigerian. All Nigerians hate Gays like me. No, I cannot help you. First you must be perfect, like me, THEN I will consider giving you help. Toodlepips.”

    And he walks on by.

    Fortunately, the Liberal Thinker (is that an oxymoron, or is the ‘oxy’ superfluous?) busies herself up to the carnage. “You know”, she says, “The people who did this really need my help”.

    And off she goes to find them.

    Fortunately, a crowd of the Overfed and the Unconcerned arrive. They wring their hands expressing worry about the bigness of the problem, the lack of media opportunities and the costs and distances and fears involved in helping.

    They pontificate magnificently, then go about their terribly important lives again, especially to watch Question Time on TV.

    One other is there. A man of Faith. An archbishop no less. He observes the awful, awful, awful tragedy. His heart breaks. He feels helpless. He observes the hypocrisy of those who can help, but do not. He calls upon people to pray for the broken ones and their victims. He asks that they are not forgotten.

    Now judge for yourselves, who is the Neighbour to that one in need.

    My Father. I feel helpless. All I can do is pray. Forgive those who do such terrible things. Please heal them and restore them to humanity. Please send help to those in need in Nigeria today. Please comfort and heal the survivors. Please protect the innocent. Please do not forget them and help me not to forget them either. Please give those who have the power to right this wrong the courage and will to do so, especially the people of Nigeria themselves. In Jesus’ name.

    • Inspector General

      , “Oh. You’re an African. I thought you were someone better, hoping really, because you natives need help. You’re IQ is too low, but don’t worry, the white man will look after your interests. Think of it as a good thing, as it used to be. Your culture is too poor, because it’s still in the stone age, even if your cheap cotton clothes aren’t.. You people simply cannot be redeemed by just your own pitiful selves. It would be best to ignore you” if you turn down our help, because you will consume each other with your murderous ways just as you were doing when the first Europeans arrived.

      Far from walking by, Holy Thing, this man has given you a solution to the problem. Unfortunately, one suspects you are far too holy to consider it as an option as it involves finding, killing and burying a number of naughty Africans. So you pull your hair out instead, spin around and fall at the Inspector’s feet, weeping. And, on being henceforth ignored, you look left and right, and scuttle off home well pleased with yourself…

      • Holy Things

        What the Inspector of Generals is proposing is both unhelpful and too late. It is presently being attempted by, inter alia, Boko Haram. Intriguing that their philosophy and yours should be so similar. In the light of the sagacity of your observations though, I am compelled to issue an amendment to my post as follows:
        Errata: Paragraph 2, between the words ‘inimitable’ and ‘arrogance’, insert the word ‘puerile’.

        • Inspector General

          Philosophy eh. That’s attributing Boko Haram with something they don’t have. IQ too low, you see…
          Anyway, off you go and irritate the bowel lining of somebody else. The night is young…

  • carl jacobs

    A death in France establishes the personal nature of the threat. There is no ability to create distance as there is with a death in Nigeria. The latter may be tragic but its remoteness keeps the prospect of violent death outside the door. Seventeen dead people in France prove that violent death has unlocked the door and come inside the living room. The illusion of security is suddenly shattered. The many see themselves in the faces of the dead in a way that cannot be reproduced by a dead African.

    I don’t think this has to do with race so much as immediacy. Europe responded because Europe is afraid and the attack in Paris gave physical form to that fear. Politicians responded because that is what politicians do. What this indicates is the depth of the fear. There are a plethora of clenched sphincters behind all these brave proclamations of “I am Charlie.” That fear is only going to grow. And one of those clever politicians is going to figure out how to exploit it.

    • Dreadnaught

      Europe responded because Europe…
      I agree in part with what you have said but the simple fact is that ‘Europe’ or as I prefer ‘the West’ has simply not responded in any pragmatic direction.
      9/11 should have united the West and recognised the attack was not Bin Laden but Bin Laden’s motivation which was Islam – it didn’t. Even though attacks continue and will do so for a long time to come; as we saw yesterday with Papa Frank’s justification of violence as a response to hurt feeling or emotions.
      As someone said yesterday ‘turning the other cheek’ is not an option; we in the UK feel we have turned cheeks so often we are too dizzy to think straight.
      Until it goes through a root and branch Reformation or is debated and countered head-on, this monster in our midst will continue and grow in confidence simply by guilt tripping the West while it’s demographic expands it’s adherents expand their demands towards Sharia compliance.

      • carl jacobs


        You must fight a religion with a religion. The (lack of) Western response is driven by the ideological presupposition that religion is independent of civilization. It simply doesn’t possess the metaphysical weapons necessary to fight Islam. It wants to talk about ‘good’ religion and ‘bad’ religion where the difference is defined by its relationship to the West. But what do you do with a religion that is antithetical to your civilization once you have guaranteed its existence by saying that religion is incidental to your civilization? That is the trap in which the West finds itself.

        The West needs to find some way to suppress Islam that is consistent with the Western concept of Religious freedom. Otherwise it is going to cash in the concept of religious freedom and start killing people out of fear. And I don’t mean people “over there.” I mean people in the neighborhood down the street.

        • Dreadnaught

          The West needs to find some way to suppress Islam
          This won’t happen until Islam is recognised for the corrosive entity it is. Its no coincidence that its heartland is Saudi Arabia and until we are free from dependence on it’s oil for our economic existence, it will on the contrary be defended by the West.
          The consequences of SA becoming another Syria or Libya is all too real.
          The West should also be alert being distracted to what happens in Afghan/Pakistan when ISIS/Taliban charge in and grabs the Nuclear arsenal or how Iran is quietly looking after Shia interests in nuclear technology.
          Sunlight is the best disinfectant – this is why something as insignificant (in body count) as the Charlie Hebdo massacre is important, not for what they publish but for what is at stake if they don’t.