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Christian Persecution

Egypt's Coptic Christians are being slandered, humiliated and murdered

 

“They burnt the house and went in and dragged me out, threw me in front of the house and ripped my clothes,” recounted 70-year-old Souad Thabet. “I was just as my mother gave birth to me and was screaming and crying.” She was paraded naked through the streets by a mob in Menia, Egypt, where a number of Christian homes were looted and destroyed. The allegation was that Souad Thabet’s son had been romantically involved with a Muslim woman, and so the Muslim mob had to mete out a just humiliation on the family. Old Coptic Christian ladies are easy targets. Who cares if the romantic rumours were false? All this happened in May. There have been no charges to date.

“We don’t want a church, we will knock down the church building, Egypt is an Islamic country,” bayed a mob of 5,000, incensed by rumours that Coptic Christians in Baidaa were intent on converting houses into churches and worshipping as infidels do. “One way or another, we’ll bring the church down to the ground. No church will stand here in the village. It’s either us or you, infidels!” And so their homes were ransacked while the police watched on. This was in June: six Copts were arrested, but no Salafists.

Coptic Priest Father Rafael Moussa was killed instantly when a man shot him in the head in North Sinai capital El-Arish in June. This month, Coptic pharmacist Maged Attia was stabbed and beheaded in Tanta. Five Coptic Christian homes have been torched in Abu Yacoub, Minya, after rumours spread that a church was being constructed in the area. The Archangel Mikhail Coptic Church was burned to the ground in village of Naj al-Nassara in Madamoud. And a 27-year-old Coptic Christian man stabbed to death in the village of Tahna al-Gabal, Minya, where the local priest’s family was also attacked.

We’re not hearing much about this.

His Grace Bishop Angaelos, General Bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the United Kingdom, has issued the following statement:

Egypt is undoubtedly going through a formative stage of its contemporary history. Having emerged from uprisings and changes in Government, dealing with resulting pressures on its economy and infrastructure, and with the loss of foreign investment and tourism, it has become more vulnerable to a disturbing wave of radicalism.

One of the manifestations of this radicalisation is that despite a short period of apparent reprieve, it is regrettable that the time has come yet again to speak of heightened, targeted attacks against Coptic Christians in Egypt. Tensions against Egypt’s indigenous Christian community have again escalated over the past few months, and will spiral even further if not immediately addressed.

The exponential rise in attacks against Christians and Christian property in recent months can largely be attributed to three main catalysts: inflammatory false rumours and accusations regarding alleged extra-marital relationships between Christians and Muslims, incendiary rumours relating to the building of new churches, and a growing trend towards the direct targeting of priests and their families. At their most brutal, these recent attacks have culminated in the burning of churches and places of worship, the stripping and public parading of 70-year-old Souad Thabet, and the senseless murder of Father Raphael Moussa.

What must be considered very clearly and with great concern however is that an attack on any individual member of a society is an attack on that same society and what it stands for, so our prayers are not only with those who have suffered these unspeakable and horrid violations, but for the society that is undermined and made more vulnerable with each and every one of these incidents. The system of law and order in Egypt is not one for Christians, Muslims or any other individual group of people, but it is for all Egyptians, and so when violated this violation is against all.

While there are clear efforts at the national level in Egypt to attempt to curb such acts of religiously-motivated violence and lawlessness, what we have repeatedly seen at the local level is, at best, carelessness and, at worst, criminal negligence in the reaction and lack of reaction of local security service officials. This gives a clear and direct message that certain crimes will go unchallenged and unchecked, especially when perpetrators are not brought to justice. The resulting sense of impunity not only means a lack of justice for crimes already perpetrated, but also gives greater encouragement to those who will seek to do even more, and more aggressively.

While there is a rejection of these attacks on Christians by the vast majority of Egypt’s 85% Muslim population, themselves often targeted by the same radical and intolerant elements, there is a need for a robust system of law and order that appropriately responds to crime, irrespective of who it is perpetrated by or against. If this does not happen, the concern is that hopes for a more cohesive nation will disappear, and that recent events will give way to a re-emerging religious divide.

In light of all this, it is of course difficult to have a sense of hope or promise in the current situation, but mine still remains rooted in the way Christians in Egypt and elsewhere have faced persecution for millennia. They continue to draw strength from their confidence and trust in an omnipotent God, and forgive through grace that only He can provide. In this, those suffering directly from this persecution provide a great example and inspiration for us not to be engulfed by anger or resentment but in calling for justice, remain forgiving, no matter how hard, and work towards a hopeful future, no matter how seemingly impossible.

The brutal and personal nature of many of the attacks against our brothers and sisters in Egypt warrants our prayers and support for them as they continue to endure heightened levels of persecution while refusing to lose their admirable and resilient spirit, and unyielding ability to forgive according to their Christian devotion and commitment. We also pray for Egypt and its leadership, hoping that hearts and minds will be led to greater inclusiveness, justice, equality, and refuge for the oppressed, remembering that our Lord Himself once took refuge from persecution within its gracious and welcoming borders.

Egypt’s courageous Coptic Christians have been persecuted for two millennia. They take up their crosses daily with dignity, humility and grace. And they go on forgiving their persecutors, in the hope and pursuit of peace and reconciliation. Even as 21 of their family were beheaded on Libyan beach last year, still their faith cries out “Forgive them”, even though the Islamists know full well what they do.

Coptic Christians need more than prayer: they need robust advocates and workable solutions in the face of police disinterest, political complicity and Western indifference. If we leave the Salafists to slander, humiliate and murder the Copts, it won’t be long before the ecumenism of blood reaches our shores. ‘(I) now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church’ (Col 1:24). Their suffering is ours.

  • len

    Islam is also being’ stripped naked’ and shown to be a barbaric death cult which is locked in a period of time when barbaric practices were commonplace….Islam cannot change and people are now seeing Islam for exactly what it is…..

    • Dreadnaught

      Islam is also being’ stripped naked’
      But its not Len.
      Islam is being protected in the West by so called Hate Laws that stop it from being exposed for the corrosive ideology we know it is. Governments and the EU in particular would rather this continue than address the incompatibility between Western culture and Islam. We are all still tainted with the legacy of ‘The Final Solution’ to physically do anything about it.

      • len

        ‘Political Correctness’ is the covering that allows terrorists to operate that is why un- PC Donald Trump is making such inroads in the USA.
        Until the whole PC process is reviewed these attacks will be’ played down’ by the authorities. .But there can be little doubt any longer that Islam is no longer’ the peaceful religion’ that the West keeps stating?.

        • Dreadnaught

          It would not be so bad if we had the same rights to express ourselves as they have in the US.

        • Merchantman

          PC is bearing false witness ( in most cases).

      • Tony Phillips

        That’s it, mate–I’m turning you into Tell Mama (http://tellmamauk.org)

        • Dreadnaught

          I’ll tell your brother Trevor …

    • Anton

      For the first time in history there are mass movements of conversion from Islam to Christianity, not just isolated individuals. See David Garrison’s book A wind in the house of Islam. The spiritual forces behind Islam don’t like this and we are seeing the backlash.

  • Anton

    We may hope that President Trump – who now leads Hillary in US polls – will adopt a better foreign policy than Obama. But even then, there is ultimately no hope but in Christ. Many Copts know that; may the others come to know Him fully.

  • Dreadnaught

    Video: street mob hurling stones at Copts for using homes as churches. source:Breitbart

  • Uncle Brian

    At Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray near Rouen, this morning, two men armed with knives seized hostages in a church and murdered the priest,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-hostages-idUSKCN1060VA

    • Dreadnaught

      Perps shot dead by police.

    • CliveM

      The Telegraph reports that one of the attackers shouted “Daesh” after taking the hostages.

  • CliveM

    Doesn’t this article also highlight a truth, that whilst IS is an extreme example of what Muslims in the ME and elsewhere are capable of, violence, intolerance, intimidation and murder are becoming daily common currency by a much wider section of Islamic society. These mobs attacking the Copts represent Islam in many ways and their views aren’t just the views of a tiny minority.

    • Dreadnaught

      All of which can be attributed to the teaching of Islam. We should protect ourselves by legislating for all Muslims to be registered and Mosques closed until they prove themselves worthy of residence in the West.

      • CliveM

        I agree with the first sentence. However it is better that we know where the Mosques are , who is running them etc. What you propose would just risk them going underground. They would risk ‘dropping of the radar’ as it were.

        However we should ensure that they are prosecuted and if necessary closed if they preach hate and violence etc. We should apply the current laws properly.

        • Dreadnaught

          I don’t think there is any chance of Islam ‘going underground’ – quite the opposite.
          What is needed is a statement of intent not to take all this mayhem lying down or deferred til the next generation commits itself.
          A register of Muslims
          No dual nationality
          Speak and understand English
          No state funded interpretor service
          Further Mosque building refused planning permission
          Present assemblies to be conducted in English only
          Mosque Committees and Imams registered and investigated.
          A Ban of all traditional/religious dress in public that not historically belonging to the Countries of the UK.
          Closure of Islamic Madrassas and Schools.
          No one has to be shot; just obey the new laws.

          We have to be hard. They have assimilate to western culture or leave.

          We have sat back and done nothing to protect ourselves and families and achieved what? Balkanisation of our Cities and alienation of our own culture.
          No one is forcing these people to stay here if they don’t like it.
          Enough is enough.

          • CliveM

            Headline in the Independent

            “How Angela Merkel’s open-door immigration policy protects Germany from terrorism in the long-run”

            Sometimes you just despair. The left is out to destroy the west.

  • PessimisticPurple

    This is what Muslims do because this is what Islam demands. It should surprise nobody, but it constantly surprises our liberal overlords in politics and the media. So much so, in fact, that they routinely bury stories like this while they try to figure out what it is they’ve not understood. After all, they reason, all religions are the same, and Christians are generally nice, so Muslims must be the same, right? And if they’re not, it must be unemployment, alienation, bigotry or whatever. Couldn’t possibly be the culture itself. Well, as the Americans say, here’s the 411 – it IS the culture, and this link explains why. It’s a long article, but it explains things plainly and is worth sticking with.

    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.ie/2016/01/liberalism-and-islam.html

  • Dreadnaught

    Imagine that there was no Islamic presence in the West but the same history of violence in evidence: would we allow any Muslims at all to come into the Country or the West?

  • David

    Firstly my prayers are for the persecuted Copts of Egypt but also those attacked near Rouen. The barbarism of Islam is now plain to be seen. Unfortunately the liberal media is hiding this truth from the naive western populations – though more and more of us are becoming aware that Islam is totally incompatible with all other ways of life.

    • Dreadnaught

      Its naive of you to imply that the people in the West are indeed naive about what is going on.

      • David

        Maybe, in part. Some know. Many do not.

        • James60498 .

          I agree David. It is very many that do not. However, that number is, I believe, reducing.

          • David

            Quite. Slowly but steadily the number who are becoming informed is rising, and therein lies hope.

        • Dreadnaught

          Only the blind and deaf could be unaware of the protesting multitudes on the streets of Hungary, Poland and France and Germany.

          • CliveM

            You’d be amazed how many people have no interest in what is going on around them. Never underestimate the depths of ignorance amongst many in this country.

          • Dreadnaught

            Yes and just as many believe the US never landed on the moon.

          • CliveM

            And that the CIA blew up the twin towers!

            I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if a large minority have never heard of Islam or if they have, think it has something to do with Christmas.

          • Uncle Brian

            Are we still waiting for Jeremy Corbyn to explain to us that today’s attack in a Normandy village was all Israel’s fault?

          • CliveM

            LOL either that or demand the Cops are arrested for unlawful killing and a memorial is erected in memory of the ‘brave freedom fighters and anti imperialist martyrs’.

          • Uncle Brian

            And if David Cameron was still PM, he could have given us his personal guarantee that the killers were “not true Muslims”

          • CliveM

            I wonder if he’s would say the same of the mobs in Egypt.

          • David

            Because you are well informed, you grossly overestimate peoples’ interest in the wider world, the time available to them in their busy lives to read about these things and the trust many still place in government and the media.

          • Dreadnaught

            I ‘grossly over estimate peoples interest’? – maybe you are unduly influenced by the relative silence in this country because Hate Laws prohibit freedom of speech and expression and we have been made to forget 7/7 and Lee Rigby.
            We will soon be targeted as in the case of the brave RAF serviceman at Marham.
            The government won’t admit but war has been declared on us by an amorphous enemy lying dormant for now, while we fanny about trying to appease them.

            But not so in Europe:
            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/22/anti-islam-march-germany-sing-christmas-carols

            https://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/anti-islam-protests-rock-central-europe/

            http://news.sky.com/story/german-anti-islam-rally-hits-record-number-10376694

          • David

            You are preaching to the converted !

          • Dreadnaught

            The point in question is that you deny the wider understanding of the threat.

          • David

            Correction.
            The point in question is that I doubt the wider understanding of the threat.

          • Dreadnaught

            Thats why I gave you just a small sample of what is available to show how widely the issue is understood. I you don’t want to research it that’s up to you.

          • David

            You make leaps of assumption unsupported by the facts. The availability of a wide range of information tells us nothing regarding whether or not it is widely understood. Human nature being what it is, many prefer to ignore threats – hence Churchill was ignored, derided even, by those who choose not to see the developing threat of 1930s Germany. Unpopular messages are, well…. unpopular !

          • Dreadnaught

            If this blog is anywhere representative of understanding the issue before us as Westerners then you assumption is wrong. I gave you examples of fact but apparently you don’t like to be faced with them.
            I would like to know what evidence You have to the contrary.

          • David

            If you are suggesting that, in respect of a having a general understanding of the issue in question, this blog’s respondents are representative of what was referred to as the “man on the Clapham omnibus”, or in other words the ordinary citizen, then I am sorry to say that your grasp of reality on this matter is so tenuous there is little point in me going any further.
            Clearly you are very disconnected from the rank and file citizenry of our democracy. This blog attracts a very specialised sub-set, all self- selected, of our 63 million UK citizens. You should get out more !

          • Dreadnaught

            This blog is what it is. Your imperious tone suggests to me that it is you who apparently moves in such a rarified strata of society, superior to the common herd. You have not given any ; Any sources, for your sweeping assertions.
            Beyond this tiny portal of communication, the media in all its forms and the internet of the World is groaning with information that you seem to think is beyond the purview of the ‘ordinary’ person. Now if you have conducted a survey of general comprehension of the issue at point, please do share.
            I’ve wasted enough of my time with you already unless you can back up your position with a few facts.

          • David

            On the contrary I have never argued that my opinion of whether it is likely that the wider public are well informed on this issue is based on facts and evidence, as I have plainly stated that “I doubt whether there is a wider understanding of the threat”. So I voiced an opinion that was honestly presented as a judgement. Evidence in the form of facts, surveys or whatever was never claimed by me, to substantiate my opinion. My belief is just that, a tendency to believe that it is very likely that relatively few understand this issue; my inclination to that belief is based upon my experience off life – no more or no less than that. This is not social science but merely opinion, so get a grip !

            But you persist in demanding my evidence whilst presenting none of your own, except media reports, which may or may not be widely read. Do please remember there are 63 million of us in this country and so the percentage that read the articles you present as “evidence” is not large. Moreover you assert a positive whereas I lean towards a negative, and anyone with a passing knowledge of logic, debate or rhetoric will know that proving negatives is of course impossible, so if you understand that, why ask ?
            You have elevated a mere difference of opinions to a contest of facts and evidence, which manifestly it is not – at least on my part. Do calm down.

          • James60498 .

            The first one goes back to 2014

            The last one states that most similar marches have been met by much bigger opposition marches.

            The last political argument I had with my mother was due to me criticising my son’s teacher for throwing a 13 year old out of class because he dared to say that ISIS were Muslim. She (my mother) agreed with the teacher.

            The middle one, albeit last year, does in part at least refer to Poland where they do have a different kind of government.

            Of course many people can see that most of the atrocities being carried out are being done by Muslims. Many don’t want to admit any more to the country.

            But even so, many of those people believe that the people doing them are doing it DESPITE pretending that they are a member of the religion of peace. Very many do still not believe that they are doing it BECAUSE they are Muslims.

  • IanCad

    Love your neighbour; Turn the other cheek. That is what the Copts have done. I think of vengeance, violence, beating our ploughshares into swords. Islam is murderous, cruel and monolithic. Then I think of Salmaan Taseer. Why was he not awarded the Nobel peace Prize? They are out there, those moderate Muslims and they face the same persecution as our Christian brethren. They are also in the majority and they need to step up to the plate.

    • Ivan M

      They have to turn their cheeks as they have no other choice. What can we expect old women to do? I have to say that it is a distortion of Christian teaching to suggest that we have to turn the cheek in situations such as this. Christ teaches us to take insults to our own persons lightly, but nowhere does he say that we should allow the violent to ride roughshod over those we have a responsibility to protect. I am of course not suggesting that is what you meant.

      • David

        Yes indeed. Christianity does not require pacifism in the face of evil, quite the opposite in fact. We are expected to defend the weak.

      • David

        If you wait for “moderate Muslims” to condemn the barbarities of their non-moderate brethren you will wait a very long time. The moderate majority are always irrelevant as the agenda is set by the ones who follow and obey their book.

  • “In this, those suffering directly from this persecution provide a great example and inspiration for us not to be engulfed by anger or resentment but in calling for justice, remain forgiving, no matter how hard, and work towards a hopeful future, no matter how seemingly impossible.”
    Wise words.

    • Dreadnaught

      Until its your turn.

    • Ivan M

      The moron we have for a Pope should at least shut up.

  • B flat

    Thank you again, for publishing this news for your readers to see. It has been a service to persecuted Christians throughout the world, although that is not the primary purpose of your blog.
    Please do not be irritated by what may seem to be nitpicking. Our culture has not tolerated nits for some time, nor would your very intelligent communicants expect you to do so. Therefore, please review your use of the words “police disinterest’ in the closing paragraph, which is an unexpected solecism and surely untrue. The egyptian police are showing partiality and a deep interest in maintaining the dominance of islam over the Christians, even by muslims’ violation of the law and peaceful life of all inhabitants which the police exist to uphold. They are certainly not disinterested in Minya or in many other places in Egypt.
    Unfortunately, not only western governments, including that of the UK, but the media are completely uninterested in the justice of this situation. Even if you consider our prayers powerful, we can all write to our MP’s and exert pressure on them to chivvy the Government out of its supine following of the policy of cultural marxism, to which it has completely succumbed under the infamous wretches Blair and Cameron.

  • len

    What is happening in Egypt is ‘ethnic cleansing’ by Islamic forces against Christians.This seems to be what Muslims do when ‘they gain the upper hand’ .
    What is happening in Egypt will be happening in Turkey when Erdogan finishes his barbaric purge on any opposition.We await the reaction of the West to these events(if there is to be any)

    • Merchantman

      Didn’t someone go to Egypt apologise, kow-tow to his audience and use the reset button? Wise policy it always seems to work with a muslim crowd.

      • Anton

        His Grace apparently thinks that Trump is over-simplistic in his approach to this problem. I’m not so sure.

  • Anton

    The photo at top shows that the headscarf is NOT specifically Islamic. In living memory most female factory workers in the north of England wore one. We should think very carefully about what to ban and what not to. France has banned the headscarf but not the ideology, it seems.

    • Ivan M

      In that form it is Islamic or rather a protection from from the Islamists, otherwise the Sharia buggers would think they are easy meat. Same as the fu**ks who gang rape girls in English towns. The French were correct to ban this.

      But see this (repeated link) video for what was once possible:
      https://youtu.be/iv0agvY3jvo

    • Dreadnaught

      Don’t be so daft – context is everything. Its not about head wear or fashion.

      • Anton

        That’s what I said – read my words about France.

        • Dreadnaught

          I’m talking about the Independent UK.

      • Dreadnaught

        Can you not understand that if these women did not cover up they would be unable to even go out for fear of harassment and worse. Look at the female news reporters who ‘respectfully’ lightly cover their hair to comply with a cultural/religious norm. Women are chattels in Islam.

    • The custom of a married woman covering her hair is probably Jewish in origin, but the practice was picked up by Muslims, was most likely brought over to the West by Crusaders, and was adopted by Christians in the Balkans.

      I honestly don’t understand the head-scarf ban. The covering of the face is an entirely different issue; we either allow it for everyone, including men, or keep old statutes which prohibit it as a disguise.

      • Merchantman

        Not to wear a fully covered face leads the wretched women to be beaten by their husbands or family. It should be banned to prevent this sort of intimidation to the victims or the enthusiastic Moslem women the advertising space!

        • True, but it still puzzles me why legislators have not adopted the most logical and least controversial approach of simply maintaining an older ban on disguises in public for everyone, for practical security reasons alone.

          • Pubcrawler

            I’m not sure the UK has ever had a ban on disguises in public. The proposed temporary measure during the riots the other year was exceptional, I seem to call. Anyone know better?

          • I know we had one in Canada for years. But would be much obliged to you if you could test the situation in Britain for me by putting on a black balaklava as you teeter off on your way home from the pub. Relay my compliments to the chaps in the ride to your local constabulary.

          • chefofsinners

            Will let you know how it goes, but don’t think anyone’s realised it’s a disguise yet.

          • You look familiar, come to think of it. But then, you Brits kinda look alike.

          • Pubcrawler

            I don’t need to test it (it would ruin my hair, and I’d be home long before local plod would get round to responding to any call). I would just like someone to provide evidence that there is a law against it. If not, then I can do — and wear — what I like as I go about my lawful business.

  • sarky

    I know a bit about this as my father in law is an Egyptian Copt. He came here over 40 years ago and this year is the first time since I’ve known him that he hasn’t gone back to Egypt, as he no longer feels safe. Let’s just say I can’t repeat his views on Muslims.

    • Hi

      What would be the reaction if someone called him an Arab Copt?

      • sarky

        He’s a big lad……I wouldn’t have the kahunas!!!!

        • Hi sarky

          I asked because many lefties (including Jews) and Arabs themselves like to insult us and talk about us as “Arab Jews”, rather than Mizrahi or Sephardi: Iraqi Jews and Coptic Christians were there well before Arabs conquered the area in the name of their new religion. . The point is that the middle east used to be far more diverse than it is now and people like to think of it as a 100% Muslim – Arab area , forgetting Jews, Kurds , Christians and other minorities who are being or have been ethnically cleansed from the area.

          • I’d also add of course Judaism and Jews , including Ashkenazim , are native to the middle east .

          • sarky

            The Kurds seem to be fighting back well in Syria, just hope the turks don’t decide to wipe them out.

  • Uncle Brian

    Coincidentally, Your Grace, L’Osservatore Romano carries a short article on the same subject today. It’s at the foot of p. 6 in the PDF file (link below). The article criticises the ineffectual “reconciliation meetings” which it says were held “on many occasions in the past”, without however making it clear whether the practice has, in fact, been discontinued.

    The organisation Egyptian Initiative has listed eighty episodes of violence, some more severe than others, that have occurred in the Minya region since the so-called revolution of January 26, 2011. On many occasions in the past, after sectarian clashes no move was made to start legal action to identify and punish the people responsible for the violence. Instead, the so-called “reconciliation meetings” were held. These were public gatherings organised by the authorities, in which members of different religious communities were brought face to face after the occurrence of sectarian clashes, for the purpose of inducing them to take part in public acts of pacification. A practice considered ineffective, which often ends up granting immunity to the perpetrators of violent acts.

    http://www.osservatoreromano.va/vaticanresources/pdf/QUO_2016_169_2607.pdf

  • The Explorer

    Muslims seem to me to be very confused about chronology.

    The British, for instance, are paying jizya to Muslims in the form of welfare, but not all Britons realise that this is what they are doing and some are not even aware of their dhimmitude; so there is a case (from a Muslim point of view) for pulling the Brits into line and showing them which religion’s in charge.

    But Copts, surely, are already acknowledged dhimmis; and unless they are denying their status there should be no need to victimise them.

    When Isa, the Islamic Christ, returns then he will abolish dhimmitude because all belief systems other than Islam will be banned. The choice will be Islam or death. But until Isa returns the Copts, surely, should be left alone provided they continue to pay up?

    Or has Isa returned, and we haven’t been told about it?

    • Ivan M

      Dhimmi tax is for the Sultans, who in return are to provide security. But Muslim buggers are allowed to take some booty as evidence of their holiness. A religion for thieves and murderers, when the firm hand of the Sultan is loosed.

  • Uncle Brian

    And now a doctor shot dead in a Berlin university clinic, though the reports I’ve seen say the murderer’s identity is not yet known

  • Intonsus

    Another person who, displayng an abject ignorance of his country’s history and culture of opposing tyrannies without and within, thinks that being shackled to an undemocratic oligarchy which may bring (a fast disappearing) mess of protectionist economic pottage is preferable to the birthright of free Britons, Common Law, Habeas Corpus, Trial by Jury, the Presumption of Innocence before trial and Parliamentary elections.
    By contrast the EU is founded on rule by appointed oligarchs (main qualifications: lose an election in your own country, and, ideally, be arraigned for fraud or incompetence); Corpus Juris – which assumes guilt because all not allowed is prohibited; and the ‘little people’ as untrustworthy and certainly not to be allowed todecide things through voting!

    • Anton

      Where exactly in Lex Corpus Juris does that follow from, please?

    • David

      Well said Sir !
      My thoughts exactly.
      Long live Freedom !

  • Inspector General

    Gentlemen, the best we can hope for is that our Prime Minister summons the Egyptian ambassador to express her concern that the Egyptian police are not doing their job properly. This would be an extraordinary request by this country as no British nationals are involved but acceptable on grounds of humanitarian consideration.

    Personally, the Inspector would rather send a gun boat up the Nile and blast a few of the blighters involved…

    Today’s article is grim reading, as it always is when from any land cursed with Islam in such great numbers. Perhaps Cranmer can gift his report to Channel 4 news where they shouldn’t have too much trouble finding something in a burkha to read it out…

  • Inspector General

    I say chaps, it does look like Islamic terrorist murder is going to become almost as common place as death by road traffic accident. But the upside is that Western society will become more right wing in a fashion not seen since the cold war. No bad thing that. One felt thoroughly at home then, even though we were told that impending doom was a mere 4 minutes away. So, no more social degeneracy hopefully, and that includes transgenderists who want to cut the rude bits off 7 year old schoolboys who like walking around in mummy’s high heels…

    Mankind thrives under pressure, because he’ll fall to pieces without it, so it seems!

    Pip! Pip!

    • Anton

      Ask the Israelis how to deal with it. And the Hindus, in India. The problem is not without precedent.

      • Inspector General

        Deal with it? There’ll be no dealing with it! We just have to take it in the West.

        • PessimisticPurple

          Do we, Inspector? Pshaww. Have you forgotten your Catholic history? Does the word “Crusaders” ring any bells?

          • Inspector General

            Indeed PP. Hardly a minute of peace on this earth – but then, we are here to entertain the Almighty. And entertain Him we will. What’s more, He bars no holds, what us His faithful have down here, is good enough for Him, we are told.

  • carl jacobs

    Short of de-Islamicizing Egypt, there is no solution to this. This is Islam. You can say “85% don’t agree.” That 85% is irrelevant because it doesn’t possess either the will or capacity to act.

    • Inspector General

      There is one thing that would work – physical castration of anyone found to be involved in Islamic terrorism. Your Inspector defies anyone who says it wouldn’t…

      • carl jacobs

        Yes brutality would work. But it would have to be brutality on an immense scale. And once you let slip those dogs, they will not simply attack Islam.

        • Inspector General

          Hmmm. You mean like the brutal police execution of two terrorists in France today. Tell you what, we’ll proceed with the castration plan and take the risk…

          • Cruel and unnatural punishments dehumanise us all, Inspector. Get a grip man. We don’t surrender our values to fight this threat.

          • Inspector General

            Get stuffed, Jack….

          • Make a note to round Jack up should your fascist thugs come to power.

          • Inspector General

            You still here?

          • Thought you’d be out on patrol by now. Stanley knife at the ready.

          • Inspector General

            Look you, a Catholic priest has been murdered by men who would not otherwise have done it if they knew their testicles were forfeit. There is also good ground to castrate dead Islamists in the mortuary to prevent them ‘going to Allah’.

          • carl jacobs

            If you start down this road, you have to be willing to follow it all the way to the end. If you flinch, you lose. Say you castrate the terrorists. They are going to start snatching men at random to return the favor. Then what do you do? They will start castrating boys. Then what do you do? You have to be willing to escalate and on a much broader scale than they are capable. Are you willing to do that?

            You will say “yes.”

            OK. Then find me the man who will castrate a 14 year-old boy in retaliation. And keep doing it for weeks. Because that’s what he will have to do. I told you. Brutality will work. But it will have to be immense. Saddam did it. You will have to become Saddam.

            Do you really want to go there?

          • Jack is not an aubergine.

            Hat tip to the resident Chef.

          • sarky

            They’ve surrendered theirs to fight us. You don’t turn up to a gun fight with a knife.

          • But they haven’t surrendered their values – they’re living them. As a civilised society, we fight them using all means available within the law. We’re not barbarians.

          • sarky

            Then we need to change the law.
            They don’t play by the rules.

          • Anton

            We don’t need the change the law; we have lost enough freedoms already. We need to enforce existing laws impartially and stop giving one particular community de facto immunity.

          • sarky

            We need to grow some balls!

          • William Lewis

            Strange thread this. You want to grow some balls but the Inspector wants to cut them off!

          • Anton

            Well Yes. There are a lot of veiled hints of violence in response to Islamic violence in the West, made at various internet sites, but this is ultimately a spiritual battle which spills over to the physical.

          • sarky

            Violence is a byproduct of inaction.

            There are non violent ways we can deal with this, it just requires extremely strong leadership.

          • CliveM

            Do tell?

          • sarky

            We need to vet the immans. Don’t allow rabble rousers into the country, put moderates in place.
            Ban websites that encourage extremism. Come down hard on sympathisers. Make it impossible for these people to operate. Ban sharia courts and anything that goes against our culture.
            If you fit in and work hard you will be welcomed, if not you will feel the full force of the law.
            Break up ghettos, enforce the learning of English to help integration etc, etc, etc

          • CliveM

            Ok all seems fair and reasonable to me. Breaking up the ghettos would be the hard one.

          • Anton

            I agree with your second sentence. but sometimes one tribe has decided to go against another for no reason other than it covets what they have – their land, their women, their goods – and reckons it can win the battle. Sometimes they have been correct in that estimation. The problem is in the human heart, and who dare divide the human race into goodies and baddies when we are all the same?

          • sarky

            Their land, their women, their land……….their souls?

            There are no goodies or baddies just differing points of view!!!!

          • Anton

            Good and evil are illusions? You will assuredly find that you live as if they are real, whatever philosophers say.

          • dannybhoy

            Best wait ’til the Inspector has left the room…
            (see Jack’s comment above.)

          • CliveM

            Sarky

            It’s ok to change the rules provided you don’t adopt your enemies. If we become like him we might as well go the whole hog and become them. We need to preserve what it is we’re meant to be fighting for.

          • Change the law to permit what exactly?

          • Inspector General

            If you don’t have the stomach to do what is necessary, Jack, just ride this one out…

          • The question wasn’t directed at you. However, Jack would be interested in your ideas. Whipping up fear and hatred will only go so far. You’ve proposed castration of the living and the dead. Anything else?

          • Inspector General

            “Whipping up fear and hatred”

            Oh no. Islam is doing that…

          • You’re attempting to fan the flames. So what are your proposals? Do you have any? Come now, don’t be shy.

          • We train and unleash all those strapping big men in the EDL as a special non politically correct protectorate quietly if they can do quiet and not give the game away, deploying them around the Churches and vulnerable places.

          • CliveM

            Ooh I’ve got a name for them, the Brown Shirts. I think we should put them in a natty little uniform.

          • I was thinking more subtle Clive like bouncers on the door with the right to search anyone they thought suspicious and refuse them entry. If they have bouncers on the doors of McDonald’s in Birmingham then why not Churches and other places where the threat is highest.

        • Inspector General

          By the way, the Inspector remembers that no man can go to Allah ‘incomplete’. Perhaps some Islamic expert here can confirm that. You want to stop the killings, then that is how it will be done.

          • IanCad

            There are other ways Inspector:

        • sarky

          In the UK the dogs are already chomping at the bit. One more atrocity here and I have a feeling all hell will break loose.
          No increased ‘hate crime’ legislation will stop it. Brexit has shown that this country has had enough and will fight if provoked.

          • Anton

            It is secularism that is promoting Islam.

          • sarky

            It’s promoting diversity not islam. Islam is taking advantage.

          • Anton

            Then secularists should recognise Islam as taking advantage and move to prevent it, should they not?

          • sarky

            Can’t disagree!!

          • Anton

            Try agreeing rather than “not disagreeing” – that’s the passion needed to change something for our children, rather than just moan about it.

          • Dreadnaught

            Its Christians who are pimping out the Churches to it and rolling out the red carpet.

          • Inspector General

            I say, Dredders. Would you like a job writing Mr Welby’s sermons for him?

          • Dreadnaught

            Gimme half a chance IG.

          • Anton

            They’re not Christians. They just call themselves that. I can call myself an aubergine if I want, but does that make me one?

          • Uncle Brian

            Dunno, Anton. Post a selfie and we can all vote on it.

          • Anton

            I’m not a vegetable yet…

          • dannybhoy

            Clever – weren’t it Anton?

          • The Explorer

            If being an aubergine is true for you, then it’s true. (Well, your truth, anyway.) What gender of aubergine? Remember, you have that choice as well.

          • Anton

            Male aubergine of course, Explorer, nothing out of the ordinary with me…

          • chefofsinners

            Get stuffed.

          • Do you have a suitable recipe, Chef?

          • chefofsinners

            For stuffed aubergine? Why yes. The Musalman calls this dish Imam Bayildi, meaning ‘the priest fainted’, whereby hangs an entertaining tale, from golden days of yore when Imams were concerned more with lunch than beheadings. http://www.petersommer.com/turkey/turkish-food/imam-bayildi-turkish-aubergine-eggplant/

          • Anton

            And also with you…

          • Yes, and this is of great concern.

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    Pray also for the soul of Father Jaques Hamel, murdered this morning by Isis barbarians as he said mass in his parish church near Rouen. A good man by all accounts, loved by many. Dark days are upon us all.

  • chefofsinners

    Today’s events in France would suggest that Christians are not safe from Islamists wherever we meet. Perhaps our government will take notice now that this problem is lapping at our shores.

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    Pray for the soul of Father Jacques Hamel, murdered by Isis barbarians as he said mass this morning in his parish church near Rouen. A good man by all accounts. Dark days are upon us.

    • Uncle Brian

      Amen.

    • David

      Amen.

    • Anton

      No point; his fate is sealed now, hopefully toward heaven (although God alone knows). This is the new normal, and all of us who walk with Christ should continue without fear, albeit with sadness for our nations.

      • There’s every point in praying for the souls of the dead.

        • Anton

          It doesn’t influence their final destination, but my main point was in the second sentence.

        • IanCad

          We could really get into this praying for the dead nonsense, but perhaps now is not the time.

        • dannybhoy

          I don’t quite get that Jack. What’s the reasoning and where’s the Scriptural basis?
          Is it to do with the Catholic concept of purgatory?

  • Uncle Brian

    Apologies to His Grace for going off topic for a moment.

    We’re being given a few days to switch, free of charge, to Windows 10. People I’ve asked about it here say don’t, basically because it’s much more complicated to use than the current version. What’s the general preference in the UK? Any advice, one way or the other?

    Thanks
    Brian

    • Inspector General

      Don’t do it Brian. The disk jockey Steve Wright advises against it. He’s in the know. (Not to be confused with Steve Wright the mass prostitute slayer of Ipswich)

      • sarky

        As a local I used to work with one of his victims, until her scum boyfriend got her into smack.

        • Inspector General

          We just don’t hang enough people anymore…

          • sarky

            That would be too good for this person!

          • Inspector General

            No it wouldn’t. Drug dealers are VERY deserving…

          • Dreadnaught

            And terrorists and their enablers.

    • Jack switched and has found it a great improvement on Windows 8. It’s actually less complicated. One can always switch back if its found to be unsatisfactory.

    • Pubcrawler

      I switched from Windows 7 a couple of months ago. Swings and roundabouts but on the whole I think it’s preferable. (I do miss XP, though. Even 3.11)

    • The Explorer

      I upgraded to Windows 10 on a laptop designed for Windows 8 and had trouble every time there was an update. Eventually the message ‘attempting self- repair appeared’ and went on for four days until self-repair admitted defeat and the screen went blank.
      I bought a new laptop installed with Windows 10, and that has been completely trouble free. I like Windows 10, which is very straightforward compared with Windows 8. But I wouldn’t install it on a machine not specifically designed for it.

    • Dreadnaught

      I was quite happy with 7. W10 seems more of an advertising vehicle for pop-ups and such. If you are happy with 7 stick with it until you switch to an upgraded new laptop where you will have no choice other than pre-loaded W10.

    • dannybhoy

      I am not the most computer literate of people, and have had increasing problems with Windows 10 because (I think), it doesn’t readily accept non Microsoft programmes. There are two browsers I use, Firefox and Chrome. but neither work terribly well with Windows 10.
      I also have an Apple iMac, and I have to say that overall despite its quirks, it is trouble free and faster than my laptop.
      Windows XP was the only version I really felt comfortable with, because it seemed the most intuitive to use.

    • chefofsinners

      “Those that look through the windows grow dim” – Ecclesiastes 12:3.
      Get a Mac.

      • CliveM

        We did and have never looked back.

    • Andym

      Don’t!! I am suing MIcrosoft because they upgraded me without permission by subterfuge. All sorts of problems emerge – different print fonts, defaulting to American date formats – it’s a complete pain in the xxxx!

      • carl jacobs

        defaulting to American date formats

        Well, if you would just accept that the American way is the right way, that wouldn’t be a problem. See how easy it is to make problems go away? 🙂

        • Ivan M

          If you had wanted to different why didn’t you guys start with the year first?

    • Ivan M

      I advise you against it UB. Try to get a Windows 7 Professional which offers the best in stability. If you really need to upgrade buy one with Windows 10 installed. Installing Windows 10 off the internet runs the risk of wiping out the recovery image as I found out. Don’t go for a useless Mac unless you feel rich.

    • bluedog

      Can only agree with others who caution against Windows 10. For years it was my practice to buy a top-line Dell laptop with Microsoft everything, until the trusty Dell with W7 died. The next Dell had W10 that seemed to be designed purely for the 15yo market and was quite useless for anyone trying to run a business off a laptop such as self. Hours wasted in reconfiguring W10 into something useable. Luckily the new Dell blew up after three months and was replaced with a Macbook Pro. Operationally far better than the Dell but the programmes are irritating in the same way that anything produced by Branson is irritating. But you can load MS Office for a return to reality.

      • Uncle Brian

        Inspector General, Happy Jack, Pubcrawler, Explorer, Dreadnaught, Dannybhoy, Clive, Chef, Andym, Ivan, Bluedog

        Eleven of you responded to my appeal! I’m overwhelmed. Thank you all very much for taking the trouble. In the end I think I’ve been swayed by the warning from Explorer, Dannybhoy, Ivan M and Bluedog, among others, that the upgrade to Windows 10 might be expecting too much from my little cheapo HP laptop, which is already showing signs of fatigue as it is. Any additional strain might be more than it could bear.
        Thank you all!

        Regards
        Brian

        • Ivan M

          If things are as bad as that with your laptop it is an indication that your hard disk or cooling system is giving way. Please back up you vital files Uncle.

  • Hi

    First they came for the Jews…. both in the middle east and France. Now Christians.

    • CliveM

      They’re coming for us all. Jews, Christians, Atheists. Any who are not them. Ultimately they will fail.

      • Hi Clive,

        Yes they will fail.

      • David

        Yes. So all non-Muslims must unite, or at least cooperate, to protect ourselves and defeat evil.

        • CliveM

          Yes agreed.

  • The Explorer

    Things that Europe’s elites said would never happen are starting to happen. As events intensify, there are two possible outcomes.

    1. The elites will acknowledge there is a problem and rise to the occasion.

    2, The elites will continue in denial. In which case, there will be increased vigilantism as the urban dwellers of Europe take the law into their own hands in the interests of survival.

    • Uncle Brian

      3. The elites will take the easy way out by converting en masse to Islam.

      • The Explorer

        Then the implicit war on the people they govern (theoretically) will become explicit.

        • Uncle Brian

          But they’ll still be the elites. They’ll still be the establishment. They’ll still be in control.

      • dannybhoy

        The rest of us will stand up in defence of our culture and our freedoms.
        It may be we will see some forms of civil defence springing up across Europe, and that things will get worse before they get better.

    • David

      My money is on your option 2. Their pride is too great for them to acknowledge their errors.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      Explorer, sadly, I think the latter is the most likely. That route would also give the liberal elite reason to go on talking about “far right extremists”. In the case of France, one wonders how long the country can go on taking the kicking it’s getting before the public says “enough is enough”. I see severe civil disorder looming on the horizon.

  • chefofsinners

    The BBC reports that an episode of children’s cartoon Fireman Sam has been pulled, amid profuse apologies and mass Muslim outrage. The sin? A page of the Koran was briefly depicted.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36900310
    How dare we quibble about a few Copts and the odd priest when such horrors are being perpetrated?

    • Uncle Brian

      Good grief

    • David

      I totally agree.
      The BBC is unbelievably biased against the maintenance and protection of everything western, everything British and especially everything Christian. It consistently covers up the faults of Islam. It is nowadays nothing but a propaganda machine for those who oppose our civilisation.

    • CliveM

      I see a solution. Stop the diversity agenda and ban Muslims and Islam from the TV and wider media.

      Except for the news of course.

  • First Priest-martyr of the 21st Century in France

    During the 9 am Mass this morning in the parish church of Saint Stephen (Saint-Etienne), in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray, in the outskirts of Rouen, Normandy, France, two assailants invaded the church, held most of those inside — including the priest and two nuns — hostage, and, before being killed by special operations forces, slit the throat of the priest.

    Martyr! The martyred priest was Father Jacques Hamel, 84 years old — may he pray for us in heaven!

    So many Christians have been martyred in recent years outside Europe, also victims of Islam: It is fitting that the first priest-martyr of Western Europe in many years comes from the Eldest Daughter.

    (Rorate-Caeli)

    • Ivan M

      He joins the great martyrs of Tabherine.

  • We could consider the policies and practices of Saudi Arabia.

    Saudi Arabia allows Christians to enter the country as foreign workers for temporary work, but does not allow them to practice their faith. Christians worship in secret within private homes. All items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are prohibited – Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols, etc.

    Conversion of a Muslim to another religion and proselytizing by non-Muslims are both prohibited, and can lead to the death penalty. The Government does not permit non-Muslim clergy to enter the country for the purpose of conducting religious services.

    • Ivan M

      Sowdee Eyerabia, that great ally of the West in spreading freedom and democracy among the Muslims.

  • prompteetsincere

    A non-starter at the DNC, the Cairo speech, June, 2009, notwithstanding.

  • David

    Many european countries have, in their history, traditions of rising up against manifestly unjust rulers. If political establishments continue failing to protect the general population against murderous, ideologically or religiously driven, attacks then that rule from above, becomes unjust.
    People will first try democratic means to replace those ruling elites, but if that doesn’t work, as appears to be the case in France and Germany, then more direct civil actions will, undoubtedly take place.
    So if the elite continue denying their responsibility, in promoting multiculturalism and open doors immigration, and refuse to take effective, appropriate action to protect their innocent populations, then forms of vigilante activities will, undoubtedly, arise.

  • dannybhoy

    “They burnt the house and went in and dragged me out, threw me in front
    of the house and ripped my clothes,” recounted 70-year-old Souad Thabet.
    “I was just as my mother gave birth to me and was screaming and
    crying.” She was paraded naked through the streets by a mob in Menia,
    Egypt, where a number of Christian homes were looted and destroyed.”

    And our UK Christian leaders are urging compassion? This is not a disaster, this is naked religious discrimination and persecution. Our leaders would declaim it as “an hate crime” were it committed here, but of course it’s not here, so we can go on dialoggin’ and appeasin’, ’til it starts affecting us.

  • preacher

    The ‘Christian’ West should offer safety to the Coptic brethren if they wish to leave these places of persecution. Free passage could be arranged & accommodation made available.
    We believe in the right of free will to choose ones faith. This is obviously not the case with many of those that follow Islam.
    God is just & He will judge, ” Judgement is mine says the Lord, I will repay “.
    Leave those that persecute & reject the followers of the Lord, & the Lord Himself receive His Justice on the day of judgement. He will not lose any that are His, but woe betide those that do evil in His sight.
    Meanwhile we must protect the widows, orphans, homeless & persecuted. ” Who ever gives a cup of cold water to one of mine will not lose his reward ! “.
    Maranatha – Come soon Lord Jesus.