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Edward Fox urges Britons to leave the EU: "Sovereign power is absolute"

 

Edward Fox OBE is one of the UK’s most distinguished actors, with a career spanning seven decades. In manner, character and disposition, he is the epitome of English decency, and the embodiment of civility, charm and candour. He rarely forays into the political realm, but the question of UK sovereignty and the matter of EU treaty superiority over national law has been of concern to him for many years.

There is an innate conservatism in his love of established custom, the bond of compatriotism, and his articulation of the Burkean organic order and the Lockean social contract. From human experience and the observations of centuries, British originality, for him, lies in the testimony of nationhood and the natural projection of individual identity: the sovereign parliamentary state is in political-philosophical tension with continental notions of law and liberty driven by oligarchical elites.

Edward Fox was a good friend of Sir James Goldsmith – to whom we owe a huge debt of gratitude for bringing us to this point – and in the 1997 General Election he was a supporter of the Referendum Party, at whose conference he delivered a speech. He writes candidly here about the forthcoming EU Referendum, with full knowledge of the dangers to the integrity of national democracy and political sovereignty should we vote to remain in the incremental “ever closer union” toward a United States of Europe.

Some will dismiss this as a trivial ‘luvvie’ interjection of vanity, but it is not. While politicians cry havoc about war in Europe and harp on about the dangers to GDP, playing shamefully on the demotic fear of the unknown, Edward Fox elevates the discourse with an observation on the virtue of a true European fellowship which flows from the Divine mystery. Here is philosophy, wisdom and succinct truth:

Sovereign power is not a divisible condition: it is an absolute. Argument that counters adherence to that principle propounds a falsehood. Sovereign power is absolute or it is nothing.

For Great Britain, the condition had existed historically until the times of treaties signed to accord and merge with belief and desire for a European federating dominance of power. It had been the beneficence bequeathed by our ancestral forebears who believed, fought and died in the cause of freedom for sovereign power of governance for Great Britain. A sacred blessing. A sacrifice beyond calculation.

Argument that seeks to etiolate and eventually eviscerate the native courage and deep-rooted spirit of Britons deserves to be despised and derided.

The management of economies for the well-being of nations is arrangeable, flexible, alterable and matter for human negotiation. True amity derives from the natural interchange and flow of human fellowship and does not ever devolve truly from the creation of treaties charged with political obligation. The interchange of human fellowship is a mystery, the work of God, and always defies being imposed.

Edward Fox

  • Anton

    Mr Fox has played some memorable anti-European roles before: a fighter pilot in The Battle of Britain and the Jackal hitman who tried to shoot de Gaulle.

    This is, I take it, a guest post…

    • dannybhoy

      Take you best shot Anton… :0)

    • Chucky DeHammar

      Exactly how does being in the film Battle of Britain make Edward Fox ‘anti-European’? Are you suggesting that Hitler’s National Socialism was pro-Europe?

      • Anton

        Adolf was all in favour of European union, wasn’t he, and what’s a definite article across two generations?

        Lighten up a bit…

        • Chucky DeHammar

          Hitler in favour of European union? And there I was thinking he was consumed with the idea of German supremacy and subjugation of Europe to his will, while Allied forces were determined to ensure European countries regain their sovereignty.

          Silly me, eh?

          • Anton

            Yes. European union under himself and Germany, of course. Did it escape your notice that he invaded other countries to that end? (It hasn’t escaped Boris’s.)

          • Chucky DeHammar

            So why do you describe playing a fighter pilot in the Battle of Britain as ‘Anti-European’?

          • Anton

            As I had hoped was clear, it is a verbal shorthand for “against the form of government prevailing on the continent at the time”.

        • dannybhoy

          Not European union, but European domination..

    • bluedog

      Hawk-eye.

  • Malcolm Marchesi

    I think Mr Fox is absolutely right . The overriding question concerns how we wish to be governed , not whether or not we will be one half or one quarter or even a full percentage point , better or worse off . Another point that should be hammered home is that the status quo is not an option and that those who wish to remain in the EU should be asked to explain in detail , the future as they see it . I have not heard any of them do so . Why ever not ?

    • rapscallion

      Quite so. I find that usually the best argument is, “Would you join the EU on the terms currently available”

  • dannybhoy

    “There is an innate conservatism in his love of established custom, the
    bond of compatriotism, and his articulation of the Burkean organic order
    and the Lockean social contract. From human experience and the
    observations of centuries, British originality, for him, lies in the
    testimony of nationhood and the natural projection of individual
    identity: the sovereign parliamentary state is in
    political-philosophical tension with continental notions of law and
    liberty driven by oligarchical elites.”

    I agree with the gentleman, and remain grateful for being born an Englishman, with all that means historically and culturally. I deeply resent the social engineering that has taken hold and turned our country into two countries; the indigenous traditional Britain, and the metro/multicultural UK- a hodgepodge of different communities living uneasily side by side.
    Get out of the big cities and urban sprawls into quiet farmland and country towns and see the differences. More politeness, more involvement in their communities, more time to talk, and a sense of belonging through shared values developed over the centuries.
    My concern is that our social and political engineers are forcing through changes so quickly, that the indigenous people will find their whole way of life under threat and their traditional values cast aside for ever.

    People must decide what kind of country they want for their children and grandchildren.

    Do they want to see our nation changed forever, subsumed into a United States of Europe, or to continue as a distinct sovereign nation?

    George Carey and now Edward Fox have made their positions clear, so must we.

  • carl jacobs

    This is the same guy who said “Men need to play the field and spread their seed, whereas women don’t have that same biological urge — it’s not natural. …women should be more understanding if their partner cheats.” That doesn’t sound very Burkean to me. It he really the best advocate to be placing front and center?

    • IanCad

      You’re right Carl.
      It sounds like the wishful ramblings of a dirty old man.
      Still, we need all the help we can get.

      • sarky

        Tried showing it to the Mrs……Didn’t end to well!

        • carl jacobs

          Women have no sense of humor about some things. That makes for good wife-baiting material. But it always comes with a price.

    • Inspector General

      Can’t see him making it after death with that attitude on adultery. For the record, the people this man has known who have gone down this route have suffered eventually, and earned what one considers the ultimate shame – the resentment of those close, who you’ll find are close no longer…

      • Mike Houlding

        Spelling IG. Down under the word is spelt root.

  • CliveM

    When Patrick Stewart did his little video extolling the virtues of the EU, I wondered what expertise did he have that demanded that I should listen.

    I’m asking myself the same question again.

    • Inspector General

      Clive, Patrick Stewart is beloved by Pink News commentators and has earned himself the accolade of ‘Honorary Gay Man’ which he’s rather pleased about, most likely as it will endear him further to the homosexual part of the male acting profession. That’s a significant part.

      Militant Gays take on the EU is decided purely by selfish considerations, as you would expect from that crowd of perceived victimhood addicts. They believe that what ‘few rights’ they do have are all down to membership of the EU, and of course Satan’s court of European Human Rights doing its bit too. The worst of them refuse to credit Cameron with anything, and it serves him bloody well right if he was vote grubbing in that stinking midden. Anyway, the blighters can’t see themselves being able to successfully gay the UK without being part of the EU, and do you know, they’re damn right about that!

  • Dreadnaught

    Wondering how I can use the word etiolate in a sentence.
    Yaaaay! I just did.

    • sarky

      I too have always wanted to use etiolate in a sentence……….wahey.

      • William Lewis

        I am constantly saying “ET, you’re late!” to my tardy, pet alien but that’s the closest I’ve ever got to using etiolate in a sentence. Oh, hang on…

        • chiefofsinners

          Computer programmers go to the e-toilete.

  • “Argument that seeks to etiolate and eventually eviscerate the native courage and deep-rooted spirit of Britons deserves to be despised and derided.”

    It’s shocking to read the arguments of those on the ‘In’ side – they seem to be constantly telling the British people, ‘you are weak, incapable, stupid and unable to run your own country’ and ‘you are not big enough to handle independence from the EU’.

    Leaders have a duty to lift their people’s morale and motivate them to do better, not run them down and encourage a sort of fearful dependency. Perhaps Cameron feels helpless to lead Britain without EU hand-holding, but he should not project his own insecurities onto the rest of the British people.

  • len

    Those behind the concept of the EU knew full well their plan for’a new type of society ‘would never get off the ground if people knew the full scope of their plan.
    So the plan has came about by increments each step stealing a little more freedom from us until the plan became fully implemented and there would be no turning back.
    We are on the brink of surrendering the last vestiges of freedom to the EU or making it clear that we have had enough of the undemocratic beast that is the EU.
    There are many today who have been educated in what is basically an anti Christ system and have accepted all that has been taught them by this system so the dangers of ever closer union with the Godless EU is probably not apparent to them.
    Church leaders need to be more vocal(and a little braver) about promoting the kingdom of God and not the EU (which is a last ditch attempt by man to re- construct ‘the Tower of Babel’ )

    • dannybhoy

      I suspect the same strategy is being used in the US.

      • bluedog

        Vote Trump.

        • Anton

          Yes. Better than “trump vote” which is the professional politicians’ way.

          • Vote Trump and then spew up, or let the Red Witch in on the entitlement spending ‘Occupy’ and immigrant vote and see Obama’s socialist anti-American project reach completion?
            It’s tragic that ist has come to this. Why couldn’t they have settled on Cruz or Rubio when there was still time?

          • Anton

            Cruz is married to Goldman Sachs but would nevertheless have probably got my vote.

        • carl jacobs

          [Sigh]

          • Merchantman

            You would rather the Supreme court went entirely liberal? The alternative to Trump is mass immigration, an extreme left Supreme Court.
            Trump strikes me as a pragmatist who mostly has the ability to resonate with the instinctively right thinking masses.

          • bluedog

            A very hard call, the Donald. There’s so much background stuff coming out that makes him seem quite spooky. But he is undoubtedly an American patriot rather than an internationalist , so he will probably win. If so he will be an important role model in changing social attitudes and policy away from femininity and toward a more masculine world view.

      • Merchantman

        I hear there are mutterings amongst the Leftist Luvvies that they want to crush the states powers. Just as the EU is turning more monsterous so it seems are the Godless ones in the USA. Don’t be surprised when people turn from a Christian faith if ‘the leaders’ come up with policies that endanger us all. See Merkel’s flirtation with the Turk.
        Brexit is a priority.

      • Mike Houlding

        Precisely the reason for the rise in popularity of the cartoonists delight.

  • chiefofsinners

    “Sovereign power is not a divisible condition.” How true.
    What we must remember is that if we give up our sovereignty in this referendum then we will never, ever get it back. Until now the slavering federalist wolves have been held at bay by the threat of Brexodous. If we vote to remain then within months Cameron’s ‘concessions’ will have evaporated like the mirage they are and we will be full steam ahead to a federal, democracy-free Europe.

    • dannybhoy

      Not only that but the EU faceless ones will surely punish us, knowing that we have finally sold our collective soul for a mess of potage and bratwurst…

  • Royinsouthwest

    I expect that the remain campaign will be busy assembling a group of pro-EU luvvies now. By the way, is there a collective noun for luvvies?

    • Anton

      Orgy?

    • William Lewis

      ensemble?

    • chiefofsinners

      A love-in? A self-aggrandisement? A strut? An oration? A flounce?

      • dannybhoy

        A Smug – a Simper- an Importance – a Tremble – a Poutance??

    • Neil2

      Pro EU ones – a thicket.

    • Inspector General

      A vomit. Surely!

    • IanCad

      A flap?

    • An ugly of luvvies.

    • Pubcrawler

      A spitoon.

      • chiefofsinners

        Or, in ‘omage to our French friend,
        a pissoire.

  • Inspector General

    Rather decent of Mr Fox to join the fray, what!

    Perhaps some Brexit types can invite him to share the platform at public meetings. These gatherings are usually esoteric, but he’d certainly draw the undecided ladies in, who would hang on his every word, as they are wont to do in their admiration of interesting gentlemen. Maybe he could paraphrase Shakespeare such as “To Be In, Or Not To Be In”. That kind of thing…

    “Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the blasted EU
    And the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
    Or to take arms against a sea of anti-democracy
    And, by opposing, leave them to it.”

  • preacher

    I don’t know about World War 3 that Cameron was predicting could happen if we left the E.U, but it’s reported on the news tonight that if the immigration problem is not solved soon, there is a warning of a growing danger of an increase in violent ‘ civil unrest ‘ in the E.U.
    The open borders policy is a recipe for disaster. For this reason alone, we need to leave this failing, sinking hulk & recover control of our own borders, laws & freedom from the oligarchs that want to strip us of our pride, dignity & democracy.
    We have to cut loose this dangerous fire ship before we are engulfed by it’s flames.

    • Inspector General

      It’s certainly a peculiarity, padre. The migrants are fleeing lands that are no longer in order, yet it is their own people who have caused the problem. Thus, as they arrive, they bring the very problem they are escaping with them. The problem is them, their culture, their beliefs, their cruelty, their inhumanity. If only 1% of them are dangerous, we must deny the other 99. There will be trouble amongst our own if we don’t, and who can blame them for that…

      • Anton

        In case you are accused of inflammatory words, you have said nothing that a retired head of British Intelligence has not just spoken.

        I wish there were a bit more British intelligence at Westminster…

      • dannybhoy

        This is one of my observations. When you come to live in another country, amongst your baggage will be a suitcase marked “Culture”, and either you adopt the values, lifestyles and laws of your chosen nation; or you unpack the ‘Culture case’ and start re-creating the land you came from….

      • bockerglory

        I think we should do a population swap. Let us have Syria and run it as a Christian nation. And let the North Africans & Syrians have the UK. Then let is see what happens ….
        What with the oil, sunshine, deep bore holes for water, no-polygamy, hard working families prepared to invest capital, freedom of capital & individual responsibility (a Christian concept) mercy & justice and Syria would be a great nation.

    • I am old enough to remember Grocer Ted telling us that a vote for the ‘Common Market’ was a vote for peace in Europe. It was that that swung me to vote Remain 40 odd years ago. It brought a chuckle to hear his successor ‘Mr Slippery’ as Peter Hitchens calls Cameron mouthing the same load of old trollocks. If the electorate falls for the same swindle twice it deserves what it gets.
      How can he not die of shame? If the EU is a force for peace, why didn’t it stop Scameron and Sarcoma bombing Libya into a failed state? And why did it provoke Putin in Ukraine?
      PS where’s the ******** Chilcot report?

      • Anton

        It will be published on July 6th. Unfortunately Chilcot failed to ask Tony Blair two key questions that would have cut through all Blair’s clouds: Did he press Attorney General Goldsmith to change his advice; and why was the Cabinet not shown the complete version of Goldsmith’s final paper? (These two questions courtesy of Tom Bower’s recent biography of Blair.)

      • len

        ‘where’s the ******** Chilcot report’

        Probably release it when civil war breaks out …or under the cover of some such catastrophe

      • Sean Nolan

        Obama is either the antichrist or an antichrist and Cameron is his puppet

  • Certainly a civil war would be more likely to break out if we DIDN’T leave the EU.
    If MPs from any persuasion have no power to change things because the EU increasingly dictates the rules and laws, we are already seeing people becoming disenfranchised with their local MPs and government, it wont be long before we become a police state as the EU police controls and laws will get fierce in order to quell unrest as ever closer union is forced upon us. Boris touched upon this in his article in DT a couple of Sundays ago.

    • steroflex

      You make a serious point. As the unelected, unchecked secret Commission makes more and more mistakes which cannot be even questioned let alone corrected (economy, immigration, war with Russia, flooding the Somerset Levels) then there will be more and more calls for a stronger central government and a better policing against terrorism.
      Enter Mustafa Mond.

  • AnotherOldBoy
  • Sovereign power? There is only One. What we ought to do is stop boasting in our pride and come before that Sovereign Power with some humble penitence.

    • Anton

      Yes, but who is We? The new covenant is with individuals, not with any a nation, and the collective of those individuals is called the church and is called out of every nation. A few good men can make a difference to their nation, of course.

      • dannybhoy

        I agree, but I also believe there is perhaps a sense in which a nation can be sanctified by the Church in that country – if it is bearing true witness to our Lord. I think that has been the case in our nation’s past, and was also the case of course with ancient Israel. The righteous covered the nation.

        • I agree, people come in units of one and are of eternal worth. However ‘righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.’ I wonder if we are running out of righteous men in the public sphere…..

          • dannybhoy

            I think we are Stephen, I think we are. Plenty of Unbelievers, Sneerers and Appeasers though..

        • Eustace

          So there may have been anywhere from 1 to 9 righteous men in Sodom, who were all destroyed for want of a tenth, eh?

          Doesn’t bode well for your personal relationship with God, does it? Apparently it doesn’t matter if you’re righteous or not unless you can find a minimum of 9 others who are too. Then you’re safe. But otherwise it doesn’t matter how much you grovel, you’ll be zapped along with the rest of them.

          It also doesn’t bode well for Great Britain and her imperial weights and measures. God is apparently French. He must be. He adheres to the metric system and his basic unit of accounting for the purposes of judging men is not the dozen, but rather ten. A very Continental attitude, so careful how you vote, you may seriously piss him off.

          • Anton

            A God-fearing man is OK after death too.

          • preacher

            Agreed ! Dying is universal, we’ll all do it – it’s only a question of when, where & how. Plus of course whether one is saved.

          • carl jacobs

            Linus Mark VIII with yet one more backstory and yet one more collection of lies. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

          • Eustace

            Someone else has Linus on the brain, I see. Obsessional types, you Christians, aren’t you? I suppose it makes sense given the ritualised and ossified nature of your faith. The same dance moves every Sunday, eh? Don’t you think God’s getting a bit bored with it all by now?

            And what would these lies you’re accusing me of telling be?

            Did God not say that he’d save Sodom if 10 righteous men could be found within its walls? Not 8 or 9, but 10?

            And must we not infer from this that had there been 9 or fewer, they would have been zapped along with all the unrighteous?

            This being the case, can we not also infer that individual virtue is therefore either undetectable by God, or of no consequence to him?

            If he’s willing to save a city for 10 men but not for 9, surely there must be something significant about the number 10. Is it not therefore perfectly logical to assume that a counting system based around multiples of ten must be of divine inspiration?

            And if he won’t lift a finger to help his faithful unless they can make up the numbers, can we not also assume that 10 souls provide him with a viable return on investment, whereas 9 or fewer souls just represent loose change that has more value as scrap than as currency?

          • IanCad

            EUstace,
            I’ve said it before, and shall again: The Metric System should be understood as “Distance For Dummies.”
            It is a cold, mind-numbing regression from the far more flexible and logical Imperial System. There is little creativity within metric – certainly no poetry. It serves to limit our understanding of space and quantities. 40lbs. per sq.ft. is much easier to relate to than 1.915 kN m/2. SI sucks!
            It must be admitted that the Americans are still the most creative people in the world. They still retain the glorious Imperial System; That – and not wearing school uniforms – may partially account for it.

          • Eustace

            But God counts in tens, and ten righteous men are his base unit for working out whether a town is worth saving or not. Fewer than that and it’s doomed.

            The imperial system is therefore clearly an example of human pride and folly. You think you can do better than God? Repent and beg his forgiveness for your presumption!

          • IanCad

            The Seventh Day Sabbath, The twenty four elders, the twelve tribes of Israel.

        • preacher

          Well said danny. What God looks for is repentance, despite the signs given by the angels & the pleading with the City’s residence, the people rejected God’s offer & chose to follow their sinful rebellious nature. All that wished to leave were free to do so, as Lot did & survived.
          Compare this account with the response of the people of Nineveh who at the warning of a truculent prophet, repented in sackcloth & ashes & weren’t destroyed.
          God’s compassion is obvious when He answers Jonah, who complains at God’s love & mercy in forgiving them.
          ” It is not the will of God that any should perish, but that all should turn & be saved “.

  • magnolia

    Do the rest of the Fox tribe agree? I hope so.

    I feel Edward, James, Jack, Laurence, Freddie and Emilia- all accomplished actors- would be able to give these well-thought-out views great marketability through all the voting age groups!

  • chiefofsinners

    Well thank you fantastic Mr Fox. No doubt Michael Heseltine will say you are losing your mind due to the pwessure.
    Meanwhile Ed Balls has weighed into the debate, saying:
    Ed Balls
    Which really says it all.

    • Pubcrawler

      Ed who? Isn’t he the chairman of newly relegated Norwich City? Now there’s a man his eye on the prize.

      • chiefofsinners

        It is as Boris said. A Nazi plot.
        Hitler has only got one Balls…

  • David

    To give you an idea of just how unequal a fight this Referendum context is, note this little illustration.
    My activism for Ukip has these last few weeks been transferred onto the main focus – Brexit. So along with other volunteers, from various political parties and none, I’ve been leafletting the Saturday streets of our East Anglian market towns for GO, as it was, or LeavEU, as now. Naturally we want to strap corex boards urging “LeavEU” onto our own garden fences etc. However the national organisation LeavEU is so short of funds it can’t afford any ! So whilst “Remain” enjoys copious financial support from the vampire banks and big corporate businesses we struggle to get our excellent message out.
    Another practical point. I just drove 700 miles around the country over the last six days, assisting foreign friends visiting our country. Yet this close to the most momentous political decision the country will take, perhaps this century, I saw less than six signs up on those entire journey lengths urging LeavEU. There were no signs at all for Remain. This is incredible. The only big LeavEU sign I saw, alongside a monster English flag, was from the M6 flyover over Birmingham, on a warehouse near Fort Dunlop.
    I ask myself, “Is the country asleep?”

    • preacher

      I think you’ve hit the nail on the head David. The playing field is not level. The ‘Remain’ group, because of it’s backers who have a financial interest in the outcome of the referendum & are pouring money in & trying to ‘buy’ the game. They don’t bother with posters or hoardings because the media is in the main doing the job for them. Official looking fliers on glossy paper are even now dropping through letterboxes purporting to have information about the vote, but when read they are Remain propaganda.
      It was obvious from the moment that the Remain group jumped the gun with a several million pound investment in promotion before the ‘ official ‘ start date, despite the mild disapproval of those responsible for seeing fair play, they were not penalised in any way. Why was that money not deducted from their allowed budget, or a similar amount added to the ‘ leave ‘ campaign ?.
      I’m afraid it’s going to get rougher still before the 23rd of June, but we mustn’t allow them to dishearten us.
      I think that a sign we should look to this year is – how many people gave Leicester City F.C any chance of winning the premiership title at the start of the season ? 5000-1 was a big bet, but the result is in.
      Take heart Brother. “Praise the Lord & pass the ammunition !”. P.

      • David

        Many thanks for those wise and encouraging words.

      • DP111

        Is this the year that the worm turns? In the USA it most certainly is. Despite the backing of all US Banks and Wall street of establishment Republican candidates, they are all “gone with the wind” of Trump

    • Eustace

      The country is bored and just wants to get the thing over with so it can concentrate on what’s really important:

      Will Princess Charlotte’s next photoshoot see her dressed in pink or yellow?

      That’s the question that’s really gripping the nation.

      • The Explorer

        Who’s Princess Charlotte?

        • Pubcrawler

          The daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.

          • The Explorer

            Who are they?

          • Pubcrawler

            Pubs

          • The Explorer

            Linus/Eustace seems to think Christians are as obsessed with British royalty as he is. But the ‘King of Kings and Lord of Lords’ image in ‘Revelation’ does not have a British monarch in mind.

          • Pubcrawler

            More projection than Cineworld, as I think I observed re a previous incarnation.

      • David

        The fact that so many are disengaged from a decision of such momentous importance tells me that our democracy is very ill indeed. Is this because the self-serving elite like it that way ?

        • Eustace

          When Christians start talking about elites, you know a rant about global conspiracies and the New World Order is on the cards.

          If they’re completely doo-lally, they’ll tell you that shape-shifting Reptilian aliens (who are actually demons in disguise, of course) are ruling us. Either that or gay Masonic devil-worshipping abortionist castrating transgender feminazis.

          At which point further conversation becomes pointless, except for its entertainment value.

          • David

            Here’s a novel idea. Try offering reasoned arguments and not exceedingly silly insults.

          • preacher

            He can’t, he tries but has to slip back into character, pity really, he can be quite intelligent at times.
            More to be pitied than blamed I’d say.

          • David

            I agree.

      • The Explorer

        I’m not at all sure that you’re right about the pink and yellow. Other claimants for the nation’s attention are the fate of Peggy Mitchell, Liverpool’s performance, the happenings with the housewives of Cheshire, or the contestants for the next round of ‘Strictly Come Dancing’.

  • 12th June Leave.EU have got a run for freedom day to tell the EU to jog on, sounds fun at Wolverhampton racecourse with sports stars and guest speakers for Leave side.

    • David

      Yes, it sounds like a good day.

  • DP111

    Britain once had an empire that was virtually global, if one includes
    the Americas. It had no problem ruling over it. But now our politicians
    tell us that we are incapable of ruling even ourselves. Instead, we are to be
    ruled by a bunch of incompetent civil servants in Brussels.

    The economic arguments are neither here nor there. We need our independence,
    just as the USA needed to be independent, even though not being part of
    the British empire had serious economic disadvantages.