Politicians

Diane Abbott as Home Secretary would hand victory to Islamists and terrorists

Speaking back in 1984 at the height of the Troubles, Diane Abbott gave an interview in which she said that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.” While the IRA were busy bombing and slaughtering horses and soldiers in Hyde Park, and Christmas shoppers in Harrods, and Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet in Brighton, Diane Abbott clearly wanted the terrorists to win. She explained: “Though I was born here in London, I couldn’t identify as British.”

Ancient history? Political immaturity? Youthful zealotry?

Yesterday she appeared on Channel 4 News, when Krishnan Guru-Murthy probed her desire to see the British state defeated. Her gave the opportunity to prove her patriotism; to tell the country she was wrong: “Do you regret… do you take that back?” he asked.

“I’ve moved on since 34 years ago, have you?” Abbot responded, with vague progression and defensive counter-challenge.

“Do you take that back,” Guru-Murthy pressed.

“I’ve moved on from 34 years,” Abbott clarified by changing the preposition, but without retracting a word of what she’d said in 1984. How is ‘I’ve moved on’ any kind of atonement for sin or reevaluation of error? She’s ‘moved on’ to what, exactly? Why should we assume that ‘moved on’ is virtuous progress? Can’t evil move on to greater evil?

Krishnan Guru-Murthy changed tack: “You also said that you couldn’t identify as British. Can you now tell the voters that you do identify as British?”

“I was elected as a British Member of Parliament in 1987. I was the first black woman ever elected, and I’m proud to say I’m a British Member of Parliament. I have no problem with that at all,” Abbott boasted, seemingly unable to detach pride in her British identity from her ethno-political achievements. So the Britishness by which she has personally been advanced is a cause of pride, but the Britishness by which the state defends itself against terrorists is a cause of shame.

On June 9th, this woman could be Home Secretary, and Jeremy Corbyn could be Prime Minister.

Jeremy Corbyn, the man who has consistently opposed all anti-terrorism legislation since 1983; who wants to close down NATO; who opposes the replacement of Trident; who isn’t happy with a shoot-to-kill policy; who wants to abolish the army; who welcomes his friends from Hezbollah and his friends from Hamas; who refuses point blank to condemn the IRA unequivocally; and who would have consigned the British people in the Falkland Islands to live under brutal military dictatorship.

Christians will have their own justifications for voting Labour on 8th June, one of which might be the complete pig’s ear and dog’s breakfast the Tories are making of their campaign. But let’s be clear that, in the pursuit of the lesser evil, protecting people from being blown to kingdom come trumps a cap on the costs of social care and the price of providing a daily bowl of cornflakes to schoolchildren. Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn believe that only Labour can build a secure and prosperous future; that only they can channel the necessary knowledge and power into ways which can benefit the country as a whole a nation to which they display a certain moral ambiguity and patriotic conditionality.

The only acceptable ‘moving on’ from Diane Abbott’s 1984 exhortation of British defeat would be conviction, contrition, repentance, election and justification. In the Christian, this would be a progressive work of sanctification. In the political non-believer, it is still a virtuous transformation, though ‘election’ and ‘justification’ take on different meanings. But how can a Home Secretary foster justice, peace and good government if she still harbours a desire for the British state to be defeated? Wouldn’t changing foreign policy to suit all Jihadi demands effectively hand victory to the Islamists? Wouldn’t Corbyn effectively be vindicating religious extremism? Where does that leave righteous government? Subject to the counterfeit demands of Gerry Adams and the divine precepts of Anjem Choudary?

It is a facile optimism that sees in the expansion of socialist knowledge and political power the salvation of the people and remedy to their problems. And it is a dangerous naivety that ignores the fallibility and sinfulness of politicians and their track records: ‘But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man‘ (and the woman).

  • Maalaistollo

    Just goes to confirm that our most dangerous enemies are to be found within our borders, especially in Parliament, the civil service and academia. Somebody needs to devise a ‘Prevent’ strategy to neutralise them.

    • Manfarang

      Years ago Thailand faced a communist insurgency. Troops would go into an area, bodies would be floating down the rivers. At the end of the sweep more people joined the communists in that area than before, A rethink was required and a new strategy was put in place and an amnesty was eventually declared.
      Repressive measure that create more extremists won’t do it.

      • English Aborigine

        Japan surrendered in the end

        • Manfarang

          But Thailand didn’t in 1945.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            Such a terse reply. This link Thailand: World War II helps to clarify it.

          • bluedog

            Helpful link. The photo of the Thais’ Democracy Monument just about sums it up.

          • Manfarang

            16 August is Thai Peace Day. On that day in 1945 the declaration of war on the Allies was abrogated. The Seri Thai (Free Thai group that supported the Allies) hold commemorations on the 16 August.

      • IrishNeanderthal

        I used to follow the German author Uwe Siemon-Netto, and remember him writing about the incident described here:

        Uwe Siemon-Netto, a German reporter, vividly described what he saw in a village in 1965 after the Viet Cong had finished making an example of it:

        Dangling from the trees and poles in the square were the village chief, his wife, and their twelve children, the males, including a baby, with their genitals cut off and stuffed into their mouths, the females with their breasts cut off.” Ordering everyone in the village to watch this calculated act of sadism “They [Viet-Cong] started with the baby and then slowly worked their way up to the elder children to the wife, and finally to chief himself….it was all done very coolly, as much an act of war as firing an anti-aircraft gun.

        Netto stressed that this was not an isolated act but part of the North’s policy of terrorism. As he puts it: “It became routine . . . . Because it became routine to us, we didn’t report it over and over again. We reported the unusual, Like My Lai.”

        I found this again on The media, Abu Ghraib and the forgotten massacres

        This article concentrates on leftist media. Now I don’t see you as a leftist, but you do come across on this blog as displaying a definite contrarian streak. What point are you actually trying to make?

        • Manfarang

          Maalaistollo’s paranoia doesn’t help.

          • Maalaistollo

            But it helps me to make sense of what’s going on!

          • bluedog

            Meaning it reinforces your habitually anti-British commentary?

          • Manfarang

            I am not enslaved by conformity.Free speech and democracy are part of British values.

    • 1650again

      Duerte knows the answer.

    • Paul Greenwood

      Colonel Pride did just that, taking them to Heaven, Hell and Purgatory

  • Sinik

    The truth is, there are 60million people in this country, and we really don’t NEED to have people that have professed a hatred of the British and the British state anywhere near Parliament. It is time we had rules regarding the nature of people that can stand for Parliament, in terms of their intelligence, long-term loyalty to our constitution and 3 generations of UK citizenship. Abbott would fail on all three.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      I would advocate 4 generations…

    • Manfarang

      Why bother having elections in that case? In a democracy it is the voters that make the choice.
      Of course there is room for reform- STV voting system for example.

      • Dominic Stockford

        It demonstrates the Achilles heel of our version of democracy. That idiots and fools can end up running the lives of the wise.

        • I believe that’s the nature of the beast. That’s why democracy was a dirty word until the mid 19th century.

          • Paul Greenwood

            that was because democracy was equated with ochlocracy and the Death of Socrates

        • Manfarang

          26 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.

        • Paul Greenwood

          Democracy works the less it is expected to do. What you have is not democracy but “The Administrative State” or Leviathan controlling lives and extracting money by threats

          • ecclesiaman

            The derivation of Leviathan is most apt.

        • Sarky

          Sounds like the cofe.

      • Sinik

        The fact that everybody gets a vote does not imply that everybody gets to stand.

        Democracy is quite good at de-selecting a bad executive. It is not so good at selecting a good executive when the executives on offer are very poor quality. I suggest we need to work on improving the quality of those that stand.

        At the moment we have a situation that a large PLC wouldn’t put up with. Imagine HSBC being told it could throw out its current board of directors but would only be allowed to replace it with the previous directors and the board of directors thrown out would be permitted to continually snipe at the new board despite both boards being equally lacking in competence.

        • Manfarang

          National syndicalism will not be adopted any time soon.

    • Paul Greenwood

      The real problem is finding people who want to stand. Noone with intelligence wants to waste time pandering to ignorant fools and arrogant twerps just to get into an old church hall with pews turned to face each other and loaded with lawyers and simply be lobby fodder or a dinner date for some BBC/Sky/ITN soak

      • bluedog

        Historical note. The pews in medieval churches were often facing, so the layout of the benches in the parliament is unfamiliar but authentic.

        • Paul Greenwood

          Thank you for that info !

  • 1650again

    A good article and the likes of Abbot are vile. But the Tories aren’t the answer. They’ve done little to address the issue and penalise those who speak out.

    • I’m from Barcelona

      Good to see you back on here.

      • Typhoon Tina

        That would be a subjective opinion.

        • Little Black Censored

          Would be? Is that another way of saying “is”.

  • IrishNeanderthal

    Abbott has recounted how, when she was twelve-year old girl, a teacher has questioned whether she had actually written an essay she had handed in, presumably (according to Abbott) because the teacher could not believe that a black girl could write so well.

    At that point, it seems, the iron entered her soul, so that she has become like (according to Chesterton) Carlyle and Nietzsche in

    the strange and pitiful audacity with which they applied their single ethical test to everything in heaven and earth.

    though in the case of Abbott it is reduced to a simple “four legs good, two legs bad”, where most followers of this blog would be counted as having two legs..

    • Maalaistollo

      Maybe the teacher was suspicious because the level of her literary ability appeared significantly to exceed her ability in other areas, eg arithmetic.

      • 1650again

        Her head for numbers appears to be in inverse in proportion to her appetite for KFC.

      • Politically__Incorrect

        Indeed. Maybe the teacher was surprised to see the required 2000 words instead of 20.

    • Paul Greenwood

      Abbott went to same school as Portillo in Harrow, then to Cambridge, then she joined Home Office for Race Relations……..she had every break……then affaire with Corbyn…….she is total flake

  • protecting people from being blown to kingdom come

    Britain would indeed be a safer, happier place if Labour and Conservative governments had not implemented their joint policy of mass immigration and Islamization. Labour may be openly hostile to the British but the Conservatives, while equally hostile, add gross insult to injury by pretending to be patriotic. Is there anything on Earth more repulsive than a traitor who wraps himself in his country’s flag?

    changing foreign policy

    You have to laugh at this one. Labour and the Tories having a slanging match over the effect of foreign policy on terrorism while studiously ignoring the ginormous elephant in the room, immigration policy (see above).

  • Politically__Incorrect

    I thought the only reason Diane Abbott appeared on Channel 4 News was to stress-test the chairs like they do in Ikea.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Is there anywhere in the world that needs and would value a not-very-good-at-it Christian pastor/preacher? Because if this lot win I’m going to have to find somewhere to go to.

    • Manfarang

      What languages do you speak?

    • Sarky

      Syria?

    • Maalaistollo

      In Europe, only Hungary seems to be taking a realistic and robust approach to the threat, but no doubt they will be flattened by Mrs Merkel’s lot in due course. Scandinavia and the Nordic countries generally seem already to be complete write-offs. Even Iceland, outside the EU, is proudly constructing (a) its first mosque and (b) its first pagan temple for nearly 1,000 years. The Faroes may be worth a look, though.

      • betteroffoutofit

        Exactly. And don’t even consider the USSA — remember we’ve come to this because they’re in charge (“Top Nation”/”1066 and All That”). Many of their Frankfurt School intellectuals work hand in glove with our marxists: to disenfranchise us. Several have already ‘unfriended’ me elsewhere, e.g. because I support Brexit or mention my own ‘white’ colour. I certainly daren’t show support for Trump vs. the merky angel!

        I don’t believe there is anywhere better to go. Either we stand and fight wherever we are, or . . . .

        • Maalaistollo

          Japan appears to have a population of 127 million but only about 100,000 adherents of the ROP, which seems a more manageable ratio. However, the rate of decline of the indigenous population is very rapid, and we all know what rushes in to fill such a vacuum.

      • bluedog

        Mrs Proudie and her Lord Bishop have been reconnoitring the Shetlands, so you may be on to something.

      • Manfarang

        The Faroes- soon constructing a Buddhist temple.

    • IanCad

      You’d better stay right here Dominic, we need all the praying men we can muster.

  • Chefofsinners

    The fact that this article has been written at all betrays just how badly this election campaign is going for the Tories.
    Politics has decisively moved on from the years when elections were won by squabbling over minutiae on the middle ground. Brexit was the turning point, where a radical change won the day, against all the odds. The electorate is now an unpredictable beast which has rediscovered its muscles.
    Today a clear vision and a radical stance appeal to many, who are sick of being manipulated and constrained. There is a lesson here for Christians. Someone put it like this:
    Dare to be a Daniel
    Dare to stand alone
    Dare to have a purpose firm
    And dare to make it known.

  • David

    People like Dianne Abbott and Corbyn are despicable largely because of their disloyalty to their country and their fellow countrymen and women. But the Conservatives have little to nothing better to offer – they are not the answer !

    Mrs May is a wet lettuce, a liberal through and through who talks tough but doesn’t act robustly, other than to reduce the size of our police force and even cut the numbers of armed officers; in fact she is even more dangerous than most liberals as she has a wide dirigiste, bossy, big state streak running through her middle. Moreover she is unable to analyse and identify the problem – Islam and specifically the subset of sincere believers who are the Islamists. Despite her much vaunted weekly church attendance, she is a moral relativist who can see little harm in Sharia or distorting our Christian affirmed practices like man-woman marriage. Mrs May is good at promoting Mrs May and little else it seems. Expect little but dithering from her.

    • ecclesiaman

      I share your opinions and take it that the Voltaire blog via Mr Greenwood is adding detail to your comments. Muddling along will actually be a downward slide into something worse than Mr Corbyn et-al. I know Mrs May does not oppose sharia and rejects any criticism of it. The resultant dichotomy will only result in the silencing of those that realise the consequences.

    • bluedog

      Yes, but the Ukip vote has completely collapsed.

  • Paul Greenwood

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article196455.html

    You may as well read how far down this road you have travelled

  • Inspector General

    Big do at Gloucester docks today. One of the largest this man has seen. All the fun of the fair, with stalls and of course the usual pubs and restaurants extant, and the tall ships are there as well. Armed police patrolling. 9mm Glock by the look of things. Vehicles parked across entrances to prevent murderous lorries coming through, and bag searches too!

    Will this security have an effect on the voters here. One hopes so. Gloucester up to now returns an MP the same party as has formed the next government. Been a few decades doing that. Rather famous for it now.

    Can the Black Abbott and Corbachov count on taking Gloucester. Well, speaking to pub types, tradesman, factory workers, van drivers – those two can’t even count on the working man’s vote. Not now. Not these days. Something marvellous has happened, you see. Thanks to info tech, they’re all clued up!

  • len

    How many terrorists are there Ms Abbot?
    “Well two hundred, or maybe twenty thousand?.I dont know the exact figure. Look leave me alone I’ve had a hard day.”

    • Manfarang

      Just look for the black flags with a bit of Arabic written on them flying from various houses.

  • Inspector General

    {RING RING}

    “Hello, who dis?”

    “Oh, hello Mrs Abbott, is your son there”

    “I just call him. ‘Chalky, it’s for you”

    • Sarky

      Bang out of order. Attack someone for their views or incompetence, but never for their colour.
      That sort of crap brings nothing to the discussion and is quite frankly embarrassing.

      • Inspector General

        It is called biting satire. It amuses one to imagine that Mrs Abbott who has made disparaging remarks about white people should secretly so admire said types that she’s nicknamed her son accordingly.

        • Sarky

          Idiot.

          • Inspector General

            What part of the phrase ‘biting satire’ are you having problems with? Don’t say. It’s ‘biting’ isn’t it….

          • Sarky

            Satire – a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

            Notice it says human folly and vice, not colour.

          • Inspector General

            You’ve visited a dictionary! My word. You ARE upset…

          • Sarky

            Idiot – a stupid person.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            Sarky,

            I am, by and large, with you on this one. I have heard, maybe a 40 or 50 years ago, of a white South African whom I knew being appalled at the way the British sometimes spoke to black people.

            He said that if his father had heard him talking like that to a black man, he would have received some stern corporal punishment (I can’t remember the exact words.)

            As for satire, how about this: Pope and the Art of Satire, an essay by G.K.Chesterton.

          • Inspector General

            You’re wasting your time with that one. He might think GK Chesterton was the man in the Mr Kipling adverts…

      • Dreadnaught

        She is the one who trades mercilessly on her skin colour and ethnicity so much that I wonder why she doesn’t do the whole Roots thing and go back and try her brand of politics somewhere in Africa, where she wouldn’t be claiming the honour of being the first black woman politician (her words) nor receive undeserved attention based on her ethnic roots.

        • Sarky

          That makes it ok does it?

          • Inspector General

            Ah! Been a while since invert racism last stalked this blog, white boy. What’s the problem? Worried your own prejudices come to the surface after years of covering them up. You see, YOU are the real racists – ’embarrassed’ for that very reason.

          • Sarky

            Keep digging.

          • Inspector General

            Don’t worry. Your guilty secret is safe with this man. It’s a delight to see you types squirm over it.

          • Sarky

            I don’t think it’s me who is (quite obviously) squirming.

          • Inspector General

            In that case, there’s a couple of ‘idiot’ posts you might wish to delete.

          • Sarky

            Freedom of speach inspector!

          • Inspector General

            You’ve taken that dictionary back to next doors, haven’t you…

          • Sarky

            Fat thumbs!!

          • Dreadnaught

            It was light hearted un-pc reparte; far less objectionable than her support for the IRA to shoot dead British soldiers.

          • Sarky

            I dislike her as much as you, but like i said, attack her views not her colour.

          • Dreadnaught

            I hear what you say, but ‘Chalky’ was a common enough, more affectionate than insulting nickname for some integrated working class black men by their workmates. Fatso! – now that was a different matter.

          • Sarky

            Maybe in the 70’s, but i think we’ve moved on a bit since then.

          • Dreadnaught

            And lost all sense of humour in the process,

          • Sarky

            Depends if your sense of humour is dependent on taking the piss out of someone because of their race.

          • Dreadnaught

            The same as the Yourkshire comedian who scrambled Mugabe’s name to read E Ba Gum … go on laugh.. have this one on me.

          • betteroffoutofit

            It’s also a bit like talking to the one who Lost Milton’s Paradise . . . and thought he was rising above it. Headlong rushes, and all that.

          • Royinsouthwest

            Dreadnaught did not attack her because of her skin colour. He attacked her for trading on her skin colour. She herself has a long history of racist comments.

            Dianne Abbott – Britain’s Most Racist Politician
            http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/12/dianne_abbot__britains_most_racist_politician.html

          • Sarky

            Two wrongs don’t make a right.

          • Dreadnaught

            Oh I thought you had said two Wongs for a minute there…

  • Albert

    Didn’t someone recently suggest it would be huge fun if Diane Abbott became Chancellor of the Exchequer?

    • Politically__Incorrect

      Someone at the DT I believe. They thought it would be worth it for the entertainnent value

      • Inspector General

        Perhaps Mrs Abbott could relieve our marvellous monarch of some of her burden instead.

        • bluedog

          She’d never survive contact with the Princess Royal.

  • Martin

    I fail to see any of our politicians doing other than handing victory to the terrorists.

    • Manfarang

      Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes,

  • Royinsouthwest

    I was going to write that Dianne Abbott is an obvious traitor but then I realised that by not identifying as British she has already concocted her alibi. Anyone thinking of voting Labour should be asked how they could even think of tolerating a situation whereby the British cabinet would contain a minister who had proclaimed her lack of loyalty to this country.

    • Anton

      Read what half the shadow cabinet wrote when they were student activists!

  • Dreadnaught

    This toad-faced woman is a racist enemy of the British State. She is a delusional liar and a buffoon. Iain Dale gave her a good Fisking recently on LBC

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-quizzed-diane-abbott-about-her-track-record/

  • Anton

    If she doesn’t like Britain nor consider herself British then why doesn’t she just leave the country and do us all a favour?

    • Royinsouthwest

      She clearly enjoys being an MP and would like to be a cabinet minister even more. If she left Britain How would she earn a living? Who would employ her?

      • bluedog

        Sayeeda Warsi?

  • Anton

    See her grilled on YouTube about sending her children to private school whist advocating state schools for everybody else.

  • The woman is not fit to be a member of parliament.

    • Dreadnaught

      She’s not fit to be a woman.

    • betteroffoutofit

      Right; but she’s in bad company with all the rest of the unfit ones.

  • Typhoon Tina

    I don’t think Britain can ever survive all the traitors and saboteurs. They have infiltrated everywhere.

    • Merchantman

      It can if they are exposed. What is there to stop a Loyal party from running a commentary on the problems we face from people like Abbott and Corbyn, etc. This exposing commentary is desperately needed to counter the garbage put out by MSM. For my money these types are getting an easy ride because the left has successfully shut down debate. They have changed the meaning of words where it suits them. This is Prima Facie evidence they are liars like Blair who set new standards in debasing the debate and truth.

  • Royinsouthwest

    Unfortunately the House of Commons is not the only institution that contains people of dubious loyalty. Our police force (sorry, police “service”) does too.

    Police swoop on garden party where song mocking the death of Osama Bin Laden was played
    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/bin-laden-song-police-party-13097525

    Cherry Hinton party-goers deny making racist comments and are furious claiming police overreacted when force helicopter was deployed.

    Initially one officer was sent to the street at about 10pm on Thursday (May 25) but more arrived and the force helicopter was deployed when the officer called in for back up.

    Party goers claim the officer “took offence” at a song mocking dead terrorist Osama Bin Laden being played and called in reinforcements after pressing her ‘panic button’.

    Now, I think it is in bad taste to make fun of the death of anyone, even a terrorist leader, but I do not recall any police helicopters being sent to deal with the left wingers celebrating the death of Margaret Thatcher.
    Whose side are the British police actually on?

    • Dreadnaught

      Let’s be honest, our laws and judgements in these matters are so lamentable, they can’t do right for fear of doing wrong.

    • Maalaistollo

      They ain’t called PC for nothing.

    • IanCad

      Or even worse, Nazir Afzal the Chief Prosecutor for the NW on the BBC, where, rather than condemn outright the wretched terrorists, he compares them to the murderer of Jo Cox and the KKK.

      This guy needs his OBE taken away. Here @ 1:52 in: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rnz3j

  • jsampson45

    Brexit as well as the Tory election campaign looks like being a pig’s ear and dog’s breakfast. Do we vote tactically, or do we write “Not these” on the ballot paper?

    • Merchantman

      We vote Tory if we value our country because the alternative is even worse.

  • IrishNeanderthal

    A thought has occurred to me. I have heard of abusive parents who instil in their children the feeling that that they are bad, sub-standard, or guilty.

    One could think of the BBC as an abusive Auntie to the British people, but I feel that the phenomenon goes wilder than this.

    Thoughts, anyone?

    • We’ve had political correctness rammed down our throats for decades. We have been cowed and told we are bad, sub-standard and guilty of racism, bigotry and causing offence for even questioning anything about the strange and dangerous cultures of the immigrants we allowed and welcomed in en masse.

      The BBC as the representative of the state are as instrumental in this as the governments and the whinging NGO’s with an agenda.

  • Dreadnaught

    I listened to most of this man’s programme today and wonder why he and the Quilliam Foundation have yet to be closed down or attacked by the Islamists and their apologists. Such honesty and clarity of thought in the area our politicians have yet to address.
    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/maajid-nawaz-refuses-to-praise-didsbury-mosque/

  • vsscoles

    Thanks to Mrs May and her oddbod Cabinet, the Conservative manifesto seems likely to have enraged and alienated so many voters normally sympathetic to her party that there is indeed a very serious possibility that Diane Abbott WILL be Home Secretary on 9 June.

    • No, the Abbott woman is seen as a joke. She isn’t liked.

    • IanCad

      Stranger things have happened.

  • Chefofsinners

    Diane Abbott is clearly ashamed to call herself British. She has previously stated that “the British invented racism”, “Black mothers will go to the wall for their children” (as if white mothers wouldn’t) and that nurses from Finland should not be employed in Hackney because they “may never have met a black person before”.
    And yet, she is happy to take her share in the prosperity earned by generations of British people. To benefit from a free grammar school and university education, to earn hundreds of thousands a year on top of her salary as an MP by profiteering from her position, and to take £17,000 in undeclared earnings from the BBC. Happy also to enjoy the freedom and democracy which generations of British people have bought with their suffering and blood. But, like too many immigrants, not prepared to adopt British culture or even call herself British.
    In New Testament times there were Roman citizens, and then there were subjects of the empire. Perhaps it is now time to adopt a similar approach to immigrants. Rather than granting full citizenship, allow them to work and trade when it is useful to us, but reserve the rights to vote, to receive social care and to permanent residence for those who have inherited them or have earned them through exceptional service.

    • Dreadnaught

      I’d bet she beats herself up for being denied to be the daughter of actual slave parents.

      • Maalaistollo

        Never mind; once we’re in the Caliphate she can be an actual slave herself.

        • bluedog

          Market price?

          • Chefofsinners

            Gotta be two camels, pound for pound.

          • Dreadnaught

            B.O.G.O.F.

          • bluedog

            All yours, matey.

    • Anna

      “Happy also to enjoy the freedom and democracy which generations of British people have bought with their suffering and blood.”

      Diane Abbott’s parents came from Jamaica, so let’s not forget her ancestors laboured as slaves on British plantations. Generations of African slaves contributed to Britain’s wealth ‘with their suffering and blood’, and received nothing in return. They were transported from Africa, sold like cattle, their families were brutally divided, and they received no wages for their labour, only cruel treatment. Abbott worked very hard against tremendous odds to get to where she is today. My British Afro-Caribbean friends – many of them wonderful Christians – have told me stories of the prejudice they experienced as children in the seventies, and in Christ they found the peace to forgive and love white people. Does Britain owe nothing at all to Abbott’s ancestors? Can you blame her for being so bitter?

      • Chefofsinners

        And what if you go a little further back into Abbott’s ancestry? Those who lived in
        African mud huts, with brutality, human sacrifice and slavery as the norm? The lot of West Indians today is considerably better than their relatives who stayed behind in Africa.
        All this bleating about how people’s ancestors were treated is nonsense. It does not confer the right to take an a la carte approach to living in Britain.

        • Anna

          “And what if you go a little further back…”

          So slavery is justified, in your view, and the end justifies the means. The fact that the many West Indian people rose above their terrible past is somehow to your credit, and not to theirs? The African slaves did not deserve to be paid fair wages for their labour because their ancestors lived in mud huts? Think how this sounds if the tables were turned. Some Muslim extremists believe they are doing the West a great favour, rescuing it from its sinful ways.

          “All this bleating about how people’s ancestors were treated is nonsense.” Sad. Would you say that to the descendants of Holocaust survivors? After all living in Germany and enjoying its excellent education system gave the German Jews a great advantage when they set up the state of Israel, and many of them had prospered in Germany before Hitler. Are the Africans less human? Not before God.

          I know people who had slave grandparents and great grandparents (slavery was abolished only in 1838), so it will take a few more generations before it is forgotten. This does not justify any wrongdoing on the part of the descendants of slaves, but do not expect them to be grateful.

          All of us as Christians should be willing to admit to the wrongs in our own past. A bit of humility is never nonsense; acknowledging that Abbott’s ancestors also contributed to British prosperity is only fair.

  • Inspector General

    All rather timely, this post from Cranmer. One opinion poll puts the Conservatives only 5 points ahead of Labour and everyone is collapsing in apoplexy.

    Well, it’s a bloody good thing. In 1970, it was said that Harold Wilson was to be assured victory, and as it happened, complacency in Labour supporters ranks resulted in a different outcome. We cannot afford complacency this time round, and thus no surprise victory will happen.

    • Anton

      That complacency let in Ted Heath who dragged us into the EEC/EU under false pretences.

  • Dolphinfish

    Failed the Shibboleth test, did she?

    • Royinsouthwest

      Actually it is PC types who are most keen on Shibboleths and if the BBC and Guardian keep reminding them of the correct answers.

    • Dreadnaught

      She passes the Dope test all right though

  • Chefofsinners

    Tom Jones has entered the debate with a revised version of his greatest hit, Delilah:

    I saw the light blocked out as she passed by her window
    I saw the flickering shadow of her fat behind
    She was all bosom
    As she betrayed us I knew she was out of her mind

    My my my Di liar
    Why why why Di liar
    We can see, that girl’s a no good MP
    But now we’re the slaves, we discriminate positively

  • Dominic Stockford

    There’s another song comes to my mind, “Devil Woman”

  • IanCad

    Given the creatively incompetent Tory campaign bringing about the slight prospect of a Labour win, let’s hope Dianne Abbott remains front and center for the duration. We need all the help we can get.

  • Over at the Occidental Observer, a superb article by Tobias Langdon about the Manchester bombing. Beneath a picture of Her Majesty at the Children’s Hospital the caption: ‘The Queen meets victims of her own ideology’, the ideology in question being the infamous quote from her 2004 Christmas broadcast, ‘Diversity is indeed a strength, not a threat.’

    • David

      A superb article indeed. Thank you for the link.

    • Royinsouthwest

      The article is full of gratuitous anti-semitism.

      • @ Royinsouthwest—The article is full of gratuitous anti-semitism

        I wonder about the Queen as well. She says she’s a Christian but she adores the diversity that’s making her kingdom less and less Christian, and she had her sons circumcised by a rabbi. Is she a piss-poor Christian or a dazzling Crypto-Jew?

        • Inspector General

          JR. Probably most of us baby boys were ‘done’ in the 1950s. Something about preventing penile cancer in types who had nothing to do with washing with soap and water.

          How one despises ‘public health’ and especially the current aim to ‘eradicate’ smokers. Not even Hitler considered that…

  • Anton

    His Grace asks on Twitter (which is graced by my absence) whether anybody has actually read any of Ariana Grande’s lyrics. YES, although you will need a very strong stomach:

    http://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/05/27/manchester-the-brutal-truth/

    I do not endorse many of the comments on this (Christian!) reference that are about Muslims.

    • Inspector General

      Disgraceful stuff!

      Ariana Grande is what we used to call a dirty bitch years ago. Deportation, now!!!

      • Anton

        She deported herself back to her native USA, Inspector (without visiting any of the survivors in hospital). She has also cancelled her London concerts; let us be grateful for small mercies.

      • Manfarang

        15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

    • IanCad

      Good link Anton, and now is as good a time as any to question the fitness for purpose of any parents who would allow – or even encourage – their daughters to follow a self-centered, demonic tart, such as Ms. Grande.

      • Chefofsinners

        Except that to raise this issue now creates the danger of being perceived as in some way minimising the evil of the bomb attack. These are the very arguments that IS will use to justify what was done.

        • IrishNeanderthal

          I’ve had a similar doubt. I have tried to deal with it in a reply (above) to Anton. It seems we were all typing away simultaneously.

        • IanCad

          I note your point Chief, and Paddy, but to Not address the issue because of a fear of ISIS is to , yet again, allow them to dictate the terms of engagement.

          • Until we clean up (We need another Mary Whitehouse type in government) our act we can not have the whip hand over IS or Islam.

        • Anton

          I’m not justifying it; I’m explaining it by way of what I think is going on in the spiritual world. If people misunderstand me then that’s their lookout. Even God takes this view: if people misunderstand the Bible then it’s their lookout.

    • David

      The explanation of the lyrics is evidence that our society is very sick. Most of us regulars on here knew that of course. But nevertheless the depths of the depravity being offered up to corrupt the very young still takes my breath away from me. We were better off when public entertainment was censored, but Woy Jenkins, the “reforming” Home Secretary – under Harold Wilson’s government I think – scrapped all censorship.
      Every time a socialist of liberal government is elected the nation slips further down the slope towards the mire. Unfortunately the so called “Conservatives” are now also deep into moral relativism and social destruction. Regarding morality there are no political parties of worth. We are now surrounded by depravity at every turn. God’s judgement is upon this nation. Pray that we pull out of the suicidal nose dive and turn back, in repentance, to God.

      • IrishNeanderthal

        I remember a Telegraph book review Roy Jenkins: politics, parties and guilt-free adultery.

        But Jenkins was also a social phenomenon. Though his father started life as a Welsh miner Jenkins was happiest among diplomats, writers, politicians, philosophers, academics and members of the cultivated upper class. One could call him the most successful social climber of the last century, except for the fact that Jenkins was indisputably grander than those whose company he aspired to keep. Entirely authentic, he insisted on living life on his own terms. He and his friends shared an enjoyment of food, wine, conversation, friendship and what the author refers to as “guilt-free adultery”.

        That sounds like eudaemonism to me.

        • Dominic Stockford

          Or just hedonism.

          • David

            My money is on irresponsible hedonism.

          • IanCad

            I’ll take a stab at it David. Puritanism is just as self-indulgent as hedonism. Both are a form of extremism based upon intolerance, illiberality and the belief that the upholders of both extremes are absolutely correct, and any means necessary are quite justified in the enforcement of the cause.

          • Anton

            The Puritans were not puritanical. Their opponents set the tenor in writing about them.

          • IanCad

            You are quite correct Anton, and I was remiss in not making it clear that my reference was to “Puritanicalism,” not those sturdy folks who were relatively broadminded over sexual matters and rather less so when confronted with any theological nonconformity.

            In its modern sense, a good example of its metastisis into all aspects of our lives, and the care needed to avoid offending tender souls, came in yesterday’s Radio4 Sunday Worship. In his address, the Rector, so obviously wedded to the doctrines of diversity, equality and inclusion, when paying tribute to those who established the city and its prosperity could not just use the word “Forefathers” but added as well the rather alien term “Foremothers.”

            Good Lad! That saved the problem of answering the many complaints likely to have poured in from “Puritan” listeners.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            Chesterton’s view of the Puritans is interesting, particulary as set forth in this essay on Charles II, starting at the fifth paragraph.

            Elsewhere, he uses the word “sturdy” to describe the Puritans.

          • IanCad

            One of the greatest scribblers of all. Along with several other worthies of the early part of the last century – H L Mencken, William Bolitho, Benedict Fitzpatrick, Ian Hay, Muggeridge – just to name a few. They don’t make ’em like they did.

          • Anton

            The problem that the Puritans bumped into was the one faced – equally unsuccessfully – by Rome and by Elizabeth’s Anglican church: you cannot enact genuine Christianity by law.

        • Anton

          That man was a major dupe of Satan.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Yes, the lyrics are no excuse, or reason. They uncover a separate sickness in our society. We barred our daughter from going to a concert by some band or another because when we looked at the lyrics they were even worse. Yet the parents of her friend (who was going to take her) were positively encouraging them to go, regardless.

        • David

          Ignorant, naive or irresponsible parents ?

          • Dominic Stockford

            Possibly all three.

      • betteroffoutofit

        Yes. Some of us noted the Yank broad’s filthiness back on the earlier thread . . . and its effect on our children, of course.

        I used to think that if parents knew the content of these new ‘songs’ they wouldn’t let their young participate in the movements; also, I wasn’t sure that the children necessarily understand what assaults their eyes and ears. [After all, I didn’t always understand what was going on in some of the 007 intros – and I’ve been horrified on re-viewing!]

        One way or another, though, I agree that someone needs to publicize how bad the situation is, and possibly why it’s bad. Perhaps, during the process, we need to address the double standard that operates with regard to censorship. It’s one thing to limit the access of innocents to defiling filth (and vice versa). It’s quite another to accept the limitation and removal of freedom of thought and expression that is wrought upon us by marxists and islamists.

        James Delingpole and Douglas Murray just had a very interesting talk on how all this is working – perhaps it’s a good starting point:

    • IrishNeanderthal

      One problem, though. Two or three days ago in Egypt, a similar bunch massacred at least 28 Coptic Christians on their way to a monastery.

      Moreover, if anyone wants to in any way justify the massacre in Manchester on the basic of Ariana Grande’s type of art, let them also remember that Habakkuk warned the Jews that their badness would be dealt with by God raising up some even “badder” baddies, namely the Babylonians.

      And if anyone (for example IG below) brings race into the matter of the kind of art favoured by Ms Grande, let them consider what the white man’s firewater has done to the Red Indians and Australian Aborigines, and note that the black man’s raunchiness is similarly toxic to young white people.

    • Dominic Stockford

      Having eventually followed the link I read the comments being made, and some of the lyrics, and you are right. Horrific. However, reading the article further down the language of the writer gives something away about themselves. Their own use of foul and abusive language as descriptive nouns tells me that they are probably not Christian, or if they are have completely failed to understand the hypocrisy of their article.

      • Inspector General

        Dominic. Every Christian soldier has to hype himself up for the battle ahead. This is not to condone him, but to understand him.

      • Anton

        Ann Barnhardt, whose blog that is, is an ultratraditionalist Roman Catholic.

  • Anton

    This weekend the 30 days of Ramadan began. May I urge Christians to follow this course of daily prayer for Muslims worldwide, simply that they shall come to know Jesus Christ?

    https://www.pray30days.org/

    • David

      Well said. Christians should indeed pray daily for the truth to be shown to all Muslims that are genuinely seeking God. Many Muslims are being visited by Jesus in dreams and converting, sometimes secretly.
      Islam may appear to be strong, simply compared to the apostasy of the west, but in fact it is crumbling with millions leaking away either to atheism or Christianity.

      • Manfarang

        Not my impression. I recently met some Turks, the women had headscarves,something they wouldn’t have worn 30 years ago.

        • Anton

          Your impression is wrong. If you read the book A Wind in the House of Islam by David Garrison (2014) you will find mass conversions of Muslims to Christ in the Muslim world for the first time in nearly 1400 years of Islamic history. Prior to this movement, which is new this century, there had been isolated individual conversions but not mass movements. This is simply a matter of record, and Good News it is on the worldwide scale.

          • David

            Quite !
            Moreover we in the west never hear about this through our MS media, because of course it puts Christianity in a better and more vibrant light. The western media never wastes an opportunity to attack our faith or those values associated with the west – they are a sick, twisted lot in the main.

          • Manfarang

            Where are these mass conversions? I know there are a lot of Christian refugees from Pakistan.

          • Anton

            Read the book, man! You don’t think they put up their own Christian websites giving worship times and places and the pastor’s name and address in tribal Afghanistan do you?

          • Manfarang

            They don’t in Afghanistan. They do in the Gulf states (except in Saudi where it is illegal) The churches are attended by migrant workers. There are a few Kuwaiti families that are Christian but I don’t think their conversion was recent. Of course in Iraq there is a long standing Christian community although smaller in number now because of the conflict. I remember the warm welcome given to me in the Arab churches, different from the starchy welcome in churches in western countries.

          • Anton

            Yes, the West is cold. But have you read Garrison’s book? It is to my knowledge a unique source of remarkable information.

          • Manfarang

            I will ask Kinokuniya bookshop if they have it in stock. If it is not too expensive I might buy it.

          • David Harkness

            Anton,, I read the book. I recall that the author divided the world into a number of ‘Rooms’ (?). One of those rooms was Europe. There are example of growing Muslim churches in every ‘room’ except that of Europe… An indictment of us for not sharing the Gospel with those Muslims around us.

        • David

          That’s a small point and probably driven by the recent hardline politics of Turkey. The wider spiritual picture tells a different story. Anton’s point below is worth noting.

          • Dreadnaught

            I don’t think it a small point at all. That is the thin end of the wedge. Iran was similar to Attaturk’s Turkey until the dumped the Shah, about the same time I think.

          • David

            In relation to the the fact that many Muslims are leaving Islam, your point might hold some water if Turkey, which no one disputes is looking ever more aggressive politically, was the whole of the Islamic world. But it isn’t.

          • Dreadnaught

            Admittedly my comment is based only on life long observation of the gradual increase in overt Muslim dress and style. I would be interested to see the source of the figures that have convinced you of your position. Last time I looked there was about one and a half billion muslims in the world today.
            That must have be one hell of a poll or survey.

          • David

            Anton and I are referring to the book he recommends below. If you want to understand what is happening in the Islamic world, you can do no better than to read it. Although the scale of conversions out of Islam to Christianity and atheism is well hardly news, having been reported on for some time now.

          • Manfarang

            You can do better by going to the Middle East. Not so many Christian families in Bethlehem today. It is largely a Muslim today.

          • Manfarang

            The Sufi movement is where Jesus became revered, acknowledged as a spiritual teacher with a distinctive voice from other prophets, including Muhammad. Sufism is a tendency, within Islam, to explore the dimensions of union with God through many approaches including asceticism, poetry, philosophy, speculative suggestion and mystical methods. I think this is what the book is really about.

          • Manfarang

            Turkey is 99% Muslim and that is not about to change,

          • David

            “…and that is not about to change”
            Who said it was ?
            Turkey is but a small part of the very wide Islamic world. The point regarding conversions to Christianity, and atheism, did not refer to Turkey or any specific country. If you are interested I suggest you read the book recommended below by Anton.

        • len

          Depends which part of Turkey you are speaking of?. I found those in the West of Turkey more liberal and those in the East followed a more severe form of Islam.
          A Turkish tour guide I was speaking to said he wouldn`t last very long in the East of Turkey as they would condemn him for his lifestyle.

    • Dreadnaught

      If I was a praying man, I would be praying that their god scoops up every last one on the face of this Earth. As I am not a praying man, I would execute every last one of them and deport their families to a muslim country of their choice – no charge.

    • I pray that muslim men stop raping our women. I pray that Chelsea Wright of Sunderland gets justice and that the six muslim men who drugged and gang raped her finally get locked up, and that the newspapers publish what’s going on so that everyone knows.

      Next justice for Chelsea march is on Saturday June 10th 2017
      Sign the petition:
      https://www.therebel.media/justice_for_chelsey

    • Anna

      Over the years, I have been privileged to know many Muslim converts, and was inspired by their amazing zeal for the gospel. I pray that God will open the eyes of millions more to the truth of the cross.

  • I see Austria has also banned the burkha and the distribution of the Koran. When will we start curbing this dangerous minority ideology in the UK?

    https://www.rt.com/news/388707-austria-bans-islamic-veils/

    • Royinsouthwest

      Banning the burkha is a good idea because wearing it symbolises a deliberate refusal of immigrants to integrate by making normal social interaction very difficult if not impossible. Head scarves are different.

      Banning the Koran, or any book, is a completely different kettle of fish. It is an anti-democratic move. If the Koran is banned then sooner or later there will be demands from some PC types to ban other books they disapprove of, or at least to censor parts of them, including the Bible.

      • David Harkness

        Roy, I agree with your second para, banning it will make it more attractive, da yoof will be seen as hip and cool if they can get their hands on one. Better that it remains public so that it is available for scrutiny and for folks to make their own judgement as to its merit. Problem is that most people do not bother to read it to judge its merit.

        I am also reminded of an incident where an Iranian Cleric had a copy of the New Testament in his hands on Iranian TV, he stated that the book was the most dangerous book in the world. Needless to say demand for the New Testament soared and souls were and are being saved when Iranians read the truth and commit to it.

        Banning the muslim book would only heighten its attraction.

        PS The Austrians have only banned its public distribution, not the book itself.

  • Well at least someone is doing mosque watch bless him even though the f word is uttered a few times Tommy Robinson and company returning from Didsbury mosque.

    Tommy Robinson (Didsbury Mosque Watch), 28/5/2017.

  • len

    What an obnoxious person Diane Abbot appears to be.
    It seems incredible that Labour has increased its rating in the polls with comedy Corbyn and disastrous Diane presenting Labour policies?.
    Also, how to lose an election?.Theresa May is showing us how.

    • Dreadnaught

      By relaunching a revised maynifesto campaign at this late stage?- hmmm: not the best way to convince the floaters. I still think they want to loose this election.

  • JohnInCambridge

    Yup, by ‘moved on’ she means giving up shooting her way to power ( at least for the time being) and getting on with lying her way to power. When she’s in charge, she’s changing her name to Roberta Mugabe.