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Christian dead exhumed after Muslims object to burial next to unbeliever

 

So, there you are, happily resting in peace, with flights of angels singing thee to thy rest, and then you realise that someone has already been interred right next to you, who isn’t overly happy about having to share their worms. And that someone happens to be a Muslim – or, to be more accurate, an ex-someone; a dead Muslim; a Muslim who has ceased to be. And there’s nothing remotely unexpected or unacceptable about that, for this is a multifaith cemetery – a garden of corpses, coffins, ashes, shrouds and pits – where the dead routinely decay and congenially rot side-by-side in a universal necropolis of eternal ecumenical daffodil pushing.

But then the family of the Muslim who has ceased to be discover that their loved one now lies buried next to an unbeliever – a Roman Catholic, to be precise. And not just any Roman Catholic, but one of Romany gypsy heritage, and they don’t do burials by halves, oh no. In fact, there are so many wreathes, bouquets, toys, trinkets and teddy bears strewn over the grave that it looks more like a demolished jumbo wedding cake than a dignified place of eternal rest.

But this is a multifaith cemetery, so there is no uniform pathway to the life everlasting. Whether your loved one is heading for heaven, nirvana, jannah or the pit, the mourning family is free is to express their grief with a dirt mound surrounded by wooden tulips or a veritable fairyland of hallucinogenic fragments of an imagined Shangri-la.

But the grieving family of the Muslim who has ceased to be are so grievously offended that their simple red and yellow wooden tulips have been visually defiled by the neighbouring chimera of Catholic creativity that they have complained to the local council. And according to reports (here, and regurgitated here, and plagiarised here), the council is considering exhuming the dead Christian out of sensitivity to the living Muslims.

One is tempted to say “Let the dead bury their dead”, but there is something very peculiar about this story. According to reports, the family of the dead Christian purchased three neighbouring burial plots at a cost of £2,500. Clearly, they were planning something a little more substantial than your average tombstone, and the council had no problem with that: contract signed; land sold; requiem sung and flowers festooned. But now the council is bending over backwards to accommodate the religious dogma of the family of the dead Muslim, which prohibits burial next to an unbeliever. And so it appears that the £2.5k contract may be unilaterally voided and the land reclaimed (by order of the Ministry of Justice, if necessary).

Of course, the council has put out the usual PR guff about being “sympathetic to the feelings of both families concerned” and “committed to reaching an amicable and acceptable solution”. But there isn’t one which can satisfy the fundamental theological objection of the family of the Muslim who has ceased to be. The complaint is that of burial next to an unbeliever who is considered ‘unclean’. Either the Christian corpse is exhumed and relocated, or his family agree to a postmortem conversion to Islam and a reorientation of the coffin toward Mecca.

Or alternatively, of course, the Muslim who has ceased to be could be exhumed and migrated to rot eternally with the rest of his deceased Ummah. But that might be considered a little unjust, since the Muslim predeceased the Christian. Moreover, it is considered haram to open the grave of a Muslim; and the axiom ‘first come first served’ really ought to apply to the happy hunting ground.

But the one gripe, the single gnawing niggle in this fractious quietus is that the cemetery is categorically multifaith and non-denominational. That means – since it is bound by a finite terrestrial perimeter – that Muslims somewhere must be buried next to non-Muslims. Unless the whole cemetery is to be given over to the Dar al-Islam and cleansed of all the kuffar corpses. But that wouldn’t be very Christian, would it?

And so the council must meditate upon the mystery and balance temporal Islamic harmony with eternal Christian happiness. The soteriological solution is hidden and unknown. It is a very grave matter.

  • Albert

    Excellent post. I have no problems with Muslims wanting to be buried where they want – away from non-Muslims if they want. But if that’s your belief, don’t have a burial in a multi-faith graveyard. It’s their fault, not the non-Muslim. They should decide what they want to do. And yes, there is a problem that if this exhumation is allowed to stand, it will follow the entire multi-faith graveyard will become, as a matter of logic, entirely Muslim, which would be utterly unjust to everyone else.

    I trust that we will hear Muslim leaders making statements to that effect.

    • dannybhoy

      The answer probably would be to allow all faiths their own graveyards, funeral parlours etc. We might have to accept the reintroduction of suttee* and other things but this is what multiculturalism ultimately leads to…

      *Inspector?

      • Inspector General

        You called Danny…

        Suttee doesn’t raise any concerns at all, says this heartless man. One does however smile at the patriarchal madcap idea that if a woman loses her husband, her life is no longer worth living. But anyway, if the blighters want to do in a grieving widow, who might even have been the woman who bore them, that’s their racial problem not his. Indeed, it rather reminds the Inspector of his younger childhood, when his father would say “If you don’t stop crying, I’ll give you something to cry about…”

        • dannybhoy

          I was rather thinking along the lines of your ‘ologist’
          The Inspector’s got a ‘ology I thought. He mentioned it just yesterday…

  • Anton

    I too consider this wholly unreasonable. But Your Grace might alter the title of this piece of his writing so that it no longer looks as if the deceased Romany has already been dug up; and also mention that the Muslims objected before the Romany was interred.

  • dannybhoy

    “We were told when we bought the plots that it was a multi-faith cemetery, but the council has been so unsupportive.”
    That’s because some multis are more faithful than others…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11402870/Grandfathers-body-could-be-exhumed-after-relatives-of-Muslim-buried-alongside-complain-he-was-an-unbeliever.html

  • Uncle Brian

    Anton is right, Your Grace. The words “Christian dead exhumed” clearly convey a meaning that is substantially different from the present state of affairs, until further notice

  • Politically__Incorrect

    I was just reading this on the Daily Telegraph and was waiting for YG write a blog entry on it.
    The cemetery is apparently a multi-faith cemetery, but the muslim family think that muslims should be a bit more equal than those of other faiths. Shows how they don’t give a monkeys about so-called multi-culturalism. The gypsy family say they will fight tooth and nail to avoid exhumation. Good luck to them. I hope they win.

  • Dreadnaught

    How is this not an action equivalent to Hate Crime?

    Every day Islamic confidence rises and encroaches further into areas of our culture we thought were sacrosanct. The moderate Muslims who say nothing until someone draws a cartoon then a thousand descend on Downing Street with printed placards and a 100,000 signature petition demanding respect for the 1500 year old corpse of a criminal.
    It does not matter that ISIS is slaughtering and raping in his memory. It does not matter to them that Boko Haram is wreaking murderous havoc in Central Africa. That Turkey is re-inventing the Ottoman spirit in Europe. That Al Shebab, Al Nusra, Al Quaida and the Taliban are all showing the true colours of Islamic intentions.

    When in the name of all the Gods are Western politicians going to stop squinting at what is in front of them and break out of this Phoney War mentality and stand up to this intimidation with more than the the backbone of Jellyfish.

    • Anton

      Geert Wilders is doing.

      • Dreadnaught

        But our Home Sec banned him and Geller and Spencer – and US all, from speaking out.,

        • Anton

          I know, and I regretted it. Geller is a rabble-rouser – not that that is cause for a banning – but Spencer has written books that every Western politician should read. I mentioned Wilders simply because he is a Western politician who is showing some guts about it.

          • Dreadnaught

            Quite so Anton; this is the default position we are being coerced in to accepting as what now stands democracy in action.

    • bockerglory

      Well said Dreaders! I work with professional male Muslims who are western degree-level educated …. They feel superior to us and act superior to us. Therefore requesting the exhumation is not a big thing as they feel it is their right to ask and their right to be obeyed – it is Allah’s will …. And there is no other way. Two ways to defeat Islam; continually challenge their backwards sharia laws AND act as their superiors

  • steroflex

    This makes me very sad. Have the Muslims complainants really got that little sense of courtesy?

    • dannybhoy

      From their point of view the deceased Romany chap is an unbeliever, and they did object before his burial.

      • Dreadnaught

        They would object to you too: you sound like a total Dhimmi. This is not the way thing are done in the West -they should get over it or get out!

        • dannybhoy

          “you sound like a total Dhimmi.”

          You do know that when blogging, as well as commenting there is the reading bit to do?
          Perhaps your memory is acting up as mine sometimes does, because I know you have approved some of my past comments regarding Islam. I am as worried about the growth of Islam in my country as you are.

          • Dreadnaught

            Dan I know you mean well but … they are more than ready to ‘bury’ you. We as a nation, have to stop being so ‘Christian’.

          • dannybhoy

            “We as a nation, have to stop being so ‘Christian..”

            It is not Christians who are allowing all this to happen. It is our secular humanistic, human rights guided, politically correct impotence that is allowing this to happen.
            Perhaps assisted by the ‘pink ‘n fluffy warm all over’ wing of the CofE.

          • No Deadnaught, we’ve got to be even more Christian. You of course don’t have to take part in the religion but at least your country will be preserved.

          • Merchantman

            ‘Even more Christian’- meaning I presume like turning the other cheek; like burying another Kuffar on the other side of the Muslim Grave.
            Besides, in fact the Catholic gentleman isn’t buried next to johnny Turk but rather there is a vacant grave between.

          • No, not necessarily, more defining the boundaries and sticking to the rules. All graveyards and cemeteries should be Christian, if this does not suit then go for cremation. We don’t have the land to cater for burials these days anyway. Of course that would upset muslims because this is not allowed in their teachings. So if they want mulsim burial next to other believers then they will have to take the body back to a muslim country. Plenty of room in the Afghan hills.

  • Uncle Brian

    At the time the local council decided in favour of the “multifaith” option, they could, if they had wanted to, adopted a different solution, fencing smaller areas off as cemeteries for specific religions. But it’s a bit late now to change their minds.

  • Uncle Brian

    At the time the local council decided in favour of the “multifaith” option they could, if they had wanted to, adopted a different solution, fencing smaller areas off as cemeteries for specific religions. But it’s a bit late now to change their minds.

    • No future for multiculturalism in cemeteries, then..

  • Politically__Incorrect

    One can imagine the response if the tables were reversed. Would they dare exhume a muslim because a Christian family objected to it. The response would be “over my dead body!”

  • sarky

    I have re-read this a couple of times and I think the telling point is that they wanted to buy a plot off the romany family to plant a hedge as a divide. Think about it. If this happened the muslim would STILL be buried next to an unbeliever. I think this has nothing to do with religion, I think it’s just that the muslim family didn’t want to visit their family member and have to view the spectacle that was the romany grave. One other point why have the council allowed the romany grave to have so much on it when we are always reading about people having to remove stuff from graves?

    • Anton

      Because he’s only just been buried and much of it is temporary.

      • sarky

        We don’t actually know what the muslim family have said. They havnt commented.

        • Anton

          I didn’t say they had, but the story has reached the public domain somehow.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Temporary? Really? You should visit Teddington cemetery, that’ll show you a new take on temporary!

        • Anton

          Ars longa, vita brevis…

  • dannybhoy
  • “It is a very grave matter.”

    *chuckle*

    Where on earth do you dig these stories up from?

    It is very grave, indeed, Archbishop. If this gypsy family object to their loved one being unceremoniously dug up and insensitively relocated then expect a full-on protest. This community has form when it comes to territorial disputes.

    • Anton

      Yes. But a deniable sweetener from the council, such as planning permission for a caravan site, might do wonders.

      Not everybody is dead set on confrontation…

  • jjreade

    So your blog title is actually misleading, since the Christian hasn’t been exhumed, right?

    Just checking.

  • carl jacobs

    Actually, there is a solution. This isn’t a matter of theology at all. It’s a matter of property rights. If the Muslim family objects to the presence of an unclean corpse, then the Muslim family could offer to:

    1. Purchase the offending grave and additional plots at a premium rate.
    2. Pay to move the offending body plus an agreed sum for the aggravation.
    3. Purchase equivalent graves at some other agreed location.

    The dead have no rights. This is a conflict between the Living. And if the Living don’t like it, they can pay. A lot.

    Good thing the offending body wasn’t Jewish.

    • Trust an American to see the potential profit in this.

      • carl jacobs

        I’m serious as a heart attack, Jack. Their doctrine does not encumber my property rights. This is totally miscast as a religious conflict.

        This demand originates in an entitlement mentality. It’s not cheap to move a body. Who pays? And how much is the aggravation worth? The fact of payment demonstrates the lack of entitlement. The severity of the payment required demonstrates their commitment to the doctrine. If they were willing to pay enough, I would agree to move the body. But it would requires a lot of money, Jack. And do you really think they would pay what I would demand?

        Moving the issue out of religion and into a cash transaction moves them from complainant to supplicant. And that’s exactly where they should be placed.

        • Anton

          There is wisdom in that.

        • Jack agrees with you, Carl. He just couldn’t resist ………..

          • dannybhoy

            there are grave issues involved..

    • dannybhoy

      The multi faith cemetery is actually on unconsecrated ground so there shouldn’t be a problem.

  • Shadrach Fire

    Come on. Is this the most important issue in the World today? Let’s do away with burials. Cremations make sense, we have not got the land anymore. Yes the Muslims are being pedantic. Let them take their bodies back to Mecca.

  • Is this is an Islamist plot?

    • Dominic Stockford

      Very good, very good indeed.

    • Politically__Incorrect

      That remains to be seen

      • Took a while …… very good.

        • Anton

          Where did they dig up this story from?

    • dannybhoy

      I just fell in…. 🙂

  • Old Bill

    Muslim people themselves are generally like everyone else some are nice and some are not, thats being human. However, the faith they follow is intolerant, unbending and potentially violent if it is opposed. I think the council have been cowards in all ways here and to both parties. 1 It should have been made clear to the travellers that only a limited display of grave goods would be tolerated and the excess removed if this was not adhered to. 2.The muslim family should have had a simple no not possible to their request. I worked for nearly 20 years in councils I know how they work and dodging the ball is the order of the day. Our leaders should be ;leaders

  • Uncle Brian

    My apologies for posting the same comment twice over earlier today, lower down on this thread. I’ve been having problems with Disqus for the last month or so, ever since I switched to an Outlook email address. I made the change one day using a borrowed computer, while mine was away at the repairers, and now I can’t even get into my Outlook email any more. Now that I’m using my own computer again, Outlook is unable to recognise me. If any kind soul out there has any suggestions to make, they will be most welcome.

    • dannybhoy

      Post it on Google. There’s usually someone out there who has had the same or a similar problem. It may be a security issue and the change of computer triggered a lock down on your email account..

      • Uncle Brian

        Thanks Danny, I’ll try that.

    • len

      Perhaps sign into your Microsoft account and look for a solution there, I seem to remember they helped when I has a similar problem or failing that contact your Internet Service Provider?.

      • Uncle Brian

        I haven’t been able to get into my Microsoft accout, Len. Microsoft seem to think I’m an impostor.

  • ” … and then you realise that someone has already been interred right next to you, who isn’t overly happy about having to share their worms.”

    Is it terribly wicked of Happy Jack to think of freaking Muslims out by advising them that worms will be mixing the bodies of their dead with those of infidels?

    • The Explorer

      What’s the Muslim view about the resurrection of the body? It could have a bearing.
      Bertrand Russell used to have great fun at the expense of Aquinas about a missionary eaten by a cannibal. Who owns the missionary’s body in the after life? Similar sort of issue?

  • carl jacobs

    There is an interesting definition that needs to be brought out. What does “buried next to” mean? Since the problem could have been addressed by a hedge, the issue does not seem to be spatial separation. The issue appears instead to be differentiation. A Muslim grave should be “set apart” to indicate spiritual differentiation. They honor their own dead by demeaning the dead of others.

    Frankly, I have no sympathy with this. If they don’t like it, they can move. I don’t care who made the mistake. I don’t care what they were told or what they assumed. And I don’t care a damn about their religious sensitivities. They can move their own grave or live with it.

    • “Application must normally be made by the next of kin of the deceased, or with the written authority of the next of kin attached to the application. The registered owner of the grave if not the next of kin must also give written permission for the exhumation to take place. If there is more than one registered grave owner then all owners must give written permission.”

      Looks like the Muslim family will have to either accept the situation or go to the trouble and expense of exhuming their dead relative.

  • Inspector General

    And here is the latest news…

    Reports are coming in of an explosion in a graveyard. Officials at the scene report partially decayed, singed and smoking pieces of pre-deceased itinerant strewn over a wide area. The council concerned has released the following statement. “We think we know where most of him landed, but it’s still going to be a bugger glueing him back together again.”

    Other news…

    Police are still baffled by the case of the stolen wreaths from a wreath making factory. However, one lead that may show promise was the sighting of a travelling community in the area, shortly before the wreaths disappeared…

    • Andre´Kristian

      Hahaha! Good heavens! I am a ludicrous amateur compared to You! Tempting tellurian – son of ancient gods! I hereby perform a courteous bow before Your (preumedly) commanding figure! 🙂 A.

      • Inspector General

        Heavens to buggery, it’s Andre!!

        Everybody, meet Andre who comments on Pink News. One of the very many friends the Inspector has made in his mission to bring Christian hope to our equality deranged sexual lepers.

        Good to see you on Cranmer, that man.

        Happy mincing!!

        • Andre´Kristian

          😉 Thank You for NOT wishing for my decapitation, sir! (Yet.) I could almost feel the cold steel from the executioner´s axe there for a horrendous moment. But, as they say, if You are playing with fire, prepared to get burned. Mirthful greetings from a reinvigorated Andre´.

          • Inspector General

            Don’t worry Andre, we’ll keep your head on.
            One sees himself as a crusading mongoose, mocking death (which is going to happen sooner or later, so why fret)

          • Andre´Kristian

            Sagacious sir! Strikingly splendid! You have got a high level of ability. However! I must now leave You, sir. Commitments elsewhere and duties to fulfil. The selected words “mongoose, mocking death and mincing” are perhaps not completely fair, should one make an effort to describe me. Surely, You have heard the expression “Know Your enemies”?! Such vexation if I am not quite what You think I am. Not that it matters. Thank You for this vivid exchange of daring predications and rejoinders. You have made this evening unforgettable! I withdraw my forces, tender templar.
            Happy hunting, sir!

          • Inspector General

            See you back here soon Andre.

          • DanJ0

            The two of you ought to meet up in real life if you get on so well on-line. Perhaps at one of those motorway service stations?

          • Inspector General

            By the way. You really must meet DanJ0, the site’s tame homosexual. Our host here thinks very highly of him, in a sort of favoured pet way…

          • dannybhoy

            DanJ0’s gay?
            Wowser!

          • Inspector General

            Apparently so Danny. He is of the lavender, so they say…

          • dannybhoy

            Well, I had no idea. Not that it changes anything of course. We get along famously as it is….

          • Inspector General

            Yes, he really is a love…

          • dannybhoy

            ‘Sutteeologist’ was the joke by the way.
            Sigh..

          • Inspector General

            Oh lord! The Inspector is no GCHQ code breaker, old fellow…

        • The Explorer

          He has an interesting vocabulary. What’s “preumedly” mean?

        • The Explorer

          He has an interesting vocabulary. What’s “preumedly” mean?

        • dannybhoy

          We welcome him as a dear and close friend of yours. Inspector..

          • Inspector General

            Yes Danny. Give Andre an easy ride won’t you…
            Same goes for the rest of you. He’s the Inspector’s friend. Don’t forget that now…

          • dannybhoy

            Well Linus seems to be running out of insults, so perhaps your friend might take over..
            I find this quite encouraging. We have no gays in our village afik, but joking aside I am happy for some to turn up here and join the melee..

          • The Explorer

            Care to elaborate on that second sentence, Inspector?

          • Inspector General

            Certainly not…

          • Well looks like someone was positively attracted to you whilst you were in the missionary position. Seems an amusing, personable fellow. However, it is very unlike you to offer protection to a queer fellow.

          • Inspector General

            God’s children. As is all of us…

            Except for ISIS. They’re shit…

          • Does he have a cat too? Good to share an interest.

          • The Explorer

            “Tempting tellurian”. Do you suppose our good Inspector has been offering rewards for religious conversion?

        • The Explorer

          Have you come across Bee el zee bub (or however he spells himself) over there? Been a while since we heard from him. Flying visits so to speak. HJ will understand the joke. Fly ing. That’ll make it clearer.

          • Inspector General

            Yes, one believes he now posts under his real name, possibly, and that is DT North

    • dannybhoy

      Very good Inspector.
      Really!

  • Inspector General

    The Inspector finds the whole scenario rather alarming. As should the rest of you if you have any sense of preservation about you. Johnny Muslim knows he has several centuries of unfortunate history behind him to back up his ‘requests’. You see, he knows he can ask for anything these days, pushing it, if you will, because EVERYBODY knows what standing in his way will lead to. Your death, and quite possibly, your family’s too. So let us not be too hard on the cemetery’s officials. They want to see old age along with the rest of us.

    Elsewhere in the world, where Johnny is in rather higher numbers, said hapless gypsy would have already been disinterred by now, and even heaved over a hedge, out the way perhaps. Having done the deed, the unbelievers would now face a wait to see if Mohamed’s people forgive them, and let them live for another day. But all is not lost. Let us remember the English Defence League exists for the very purpose of teaching Johnny the error of his ways in his slow adaptation to all things English, and one can’t think of a better response than a picnic in the cemetry this weekend. A big picnic, with hot bacon sandwiches and English bitter beer flowing.

    Tally ho!

  • The Explorer

    Do Muslims allow cremation? Anyone know?

    • Inspector General

      For Syrian pilots, unfortunately…

      • The Explorer

        Nice one. Immolation by burning as a punishment for being a bad Muslim is clearly allowed. But that’s a rather different thing. What if you’ve died as a good Muslim?

        • Inspector General

          Oh Lord! We’ve enough problems as it is with ‘good’ muslims coming back to the UK form Syria, or what’s left of it…

      • Anton

        Jordanian.

  • Doctor Crackles

    I suspect that in many cases the inflexibility of Islamic law is a convenient tool used to protect the Muslim from doing that which he does not wish to do, or getting his own way in a matter. Given that Islam is mostly about outward appearances the good Muslim can play-up his Islamic credentials when the need arises. In this case it is hard to accept that the Muslim family involved did not know that non-Muslims would be buried in the cemetery, so is it not possible that they just didn’t like the look of the grave next door? To dislike your neighbour is one thing, to invoke religious law in order to gain mastery over him is quite another.

    The apparent craven bending of the council to accommodate this wicked request can only foster bad feeling towards Muslims in general.

    • Inspector General

      I say Crackles. Last sentence. One really doesn’t think Islam needs any help when it comes to unpopularity, what!

      • Doctor Crackles

        I kind of meant locally, but I certainly take your point.

  • Royinsouthwest

    As far as I know the tense of the verb in the headline is incorrect since neither body has been exhumed yet. However, I wonder what the reaction would be if a Christian family were to object that a non-believer had been buried next to one of their family members?

    Of course, it would be very unlikely that a Christian family would make such an objection. It would be a very inconsiderate thing to do. However, since militant atheists frequently claim that Christians are bigots what if a family did object to the grave of an unbeliever? Does anyone really think the response of the council would be exactly the same?

    If such a case did arise it would not be surprising if the council’s diversity officer accused the family of bigotry and the local police police paid them a visit to investigate possible “hate speech.”

    “Equality” should not mean that some are more equal than others.

  • The Explorer

    If you can’t have unbelievers next to you in death, how soon before you can’t have unbelievers next to you in life? Muslim-only zones for the living (de jure, I mean: informal de facto is already a reality) along with Muslim-only cemeteries for the dead?

    • Old Blowers

      I was just thinking this before coming on thread page.

      • Uncle Brian

        “Separate but equal.” If it was good enough for mid-twentieth century South Africa, it ought to be good enough for present-day Leicestershire.

        • The Explorer

          “Separate but equal”, being translated, means “separate because unequal”. Islam is quite overt about that. Where there’s superiority of numbers to go with the other superiority, then Islam is easy to enforce.
          Where there isn’t superiority of numbers…. Well, it’s only a matter of time.

    • dannybhoy

      Explorer,
      Still enjoying your musings..

      • The Explorer

        Delighted to hear it.

  • Happy Jack has heard of NIMBY, but NIMGY is a new one on him.

  • Retired Paul

    This is one of those situations where ‘everyone knows’ the outcome. The Muslim family will get its way because things will get unpleasant if they don’t. But ‘everyone’ is forgetting that the other family is Gypsy, not English. So they are not culturally trained to be in the wrong. They may take some interesting steps to preserve the integrity of their family member’s resting place.

    I note that the Gypsy family has purchased no less than three plots. The council had better watch out; they may come in to work after a bank Holiday to find 25 caravans parked on ‘their’ land, with a retrospective application for a change of use to permanent site for travellers.

    • Anton

      Betcha the council will dig up the Gypsy and – coincidentally, of course – the Romany community will suddenly be granted planning permission for a large caravan site. That way everybody is happy… except the locals.

      • Nonsense …. the gypsies have an established, registered site that has been there for years. And there is no way this family will agree to a exhumation.

        ” … dig up the Gypsy”

        He had a name in life. Use it. Is such obvious prejudice and disrespect a Christian virtue?

        • Demon Teddy Bear

          If Anton wants to use the word “Gypsy” he doesn’t need your permission. Try to be more tolerant and respectful of others, Mr Happy Jack. Nobody elected you Pope.

          • Anton

            Wouldn’t matter to me if he was!

        • Anton

          I used “gypsy” because others had done (in my first posts I used “Romany”) and because I regarded use of the man’s name as a distraction from the point. If any Romany is offended then I shall be happy to explain that I meant no disrespect and apologise – but to them, not anybody else. As for Jack’s assertion that I am prejudiced, he can’t know and I can, and my conscience is clear.

  • Demon Teddy Bear

    “Multi-faith” is merely a stepping stone, perhaps, in the path from “Christian” to “Muslim”? It’s just a bland-sounding way to ease people out of their old allegiance in order to turn them into something else. Would that really surprise anybody?

    Let’s just accept that we are betrayed, again and again, by those who have power in this land. And start thinking how to bring them down and kick out them, and their client pressure-groups and minorities.

    • Anton

      “Let’s just accept that we are betrayed, again and again, by those who have power in this land.”

      It’s worth asking who “we” are here. I’d add that many feel equally betrayed by those who have power within the Established church.

      • Demon Teddy Bear

        Every ordinary Briton, man, woman or child. And, no, I don’t mean those aliens quartered on us by those same rulers whom we are told we must pretend are British.

        • Anton

          Back to the “British values” debate!

  • David

    If it is a multi-faith cemetery then that should be told to like it and lump it – full stop !

  • Pubcrawler
    • Anton

      I hope that is the end of it and there will not be skirmishes or worse at the cemetery.

    • David

      Good ! A multi-faith cemetery is what it says, multi-faith !

  • Pierre Lapin

    “But now the council is bending over backwards to accommodate the religious dogma of the family of the dead Muslim”

    “backwards” is not the direction our leaders are bending over for Muslims these days.