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“Have the British people taken leave of their senses?”

Goodness! What a night! Election fever gripped Barchester good and proper, with rival parties parading round the town until the early hours, brandishing torches and yelling their heads off. Being the county town, Barchester Moot Hall was the scene of the counts for both West and East Barset. My Lord the Bishop and I, as neutral observers (“ahem”) were invited along to witness the count, which was being carried out by the pupils of Dr. Wortle’s School and the Gentlemen of Hiram’s Hospital (because they were cheap).  The results for West Barset were as follows:

The Marquess of Silverbridge (Conservative) 10,456
Mr. Frank Gresham (Liberal) 8.978
Mr. Lupus Wolfsbane-Throttleham (Gothic Revival) 6,200
Mr. Bert Throbb (Agrarian Agitators for Allotment Redistribution) 12
Mr. Jeremiah Corblimey (Socialist Worker currently resting) 134
Miss Fanny Bye-Gaslight (Drop Your Drawers and Ten Bob’s Yours Collective) disqualified.

Those of you who are not as innumerate as the fragrant Ms. Abbott will see that the Conservatives held West Barset. I will not bore you with all the details for East Barset, other than to say the seat was won by a certain Mustafa Fatwah-Cholmondeley, whom I have never heard of, for the Integrated Alternative Reality Party.  So there you have it – Barset is at least 50% behind Mrs. Dismay, who, despite shooting herself in the foot and deliberately targeting core supporters with dementia taxes and removal of winter fuel allowances, seems determined to press on. The Archdeacon, however, is not so easily assuaged: he may be strong, but I question whether he is stable.

“Tell me, dear lady,” he bellowed across the cloisters this morning as I was on my way to the Chapel of the Blessed Margaret of Finchley, “How does a Prime Minister with a clear mandate from a national referendum, and a more than workable majority, manage to lose an election against a hairy Trotskyite Agitprop Activist with terrorist connections allied to a hippo-esque blathermonster who hates honest Britons and a lupine-faced Stalinist double-speaker with designs on the Treasury? How can people contemplate voting for a crew of misfits who rejoiced when the IRA bombed the Grand Hotel in Brighton and do nothing to weed out antisemitism from their ranks? Have the British people taken leave of their senses?”

I had to point out that Comrade Corbynov, despite the British Bolshevik Corporation’s inevitable spin, actually lost the election. To my surprise, this did not go down well.

“One has to think long term, Mrs. Proudie, and look to the youth. They have been promised jam tomorrow by a cynical, communistical party, who want to get their hands on our loose change, down to the last farthing… I blame schools and those snarling hounds from Satan’s kennels, the teachers. It’s all about brainwashing and indoctrination…”

I left the Archdeacon with his head, purple with rage, rotating wildly in his stock, and carried on with my chapel-going.

I do not wish to dwell upon the sat misfortunes recently afflicting Manchester and London, though they have been very much in the news of late, and very much in people’s thoughts. These are trying times, and there are many who should be on trial.

So, as the ballot papers of expectation are sucked into the U-turn bend of oblivion, it is time to bid you adieu. I shall return next week if His Grace allows, and who knows what we shall be discussing then?

Adieu, adieu!

  • len

    If Diane Abbot had stood down a bit earlier Corbyn could now be forming his government.
    That is how much closer it could have been.
    This is a measure how disastrous T Mays performance was and how divisive Tory policies are.
    Could still happen.

    • James60498 .

      I think there is a very good chance that it will happen, whether in a couple of weeks or after another election later this year.

  • Bernard from Bucks

    Nanny was forcing us to take Cod’s Liver Oil and the other chap was
    offering free goodies. What outcome did you expect?

  • magnolia

    “Have the British people taken leave of their senses?”

    Answer: Yes.
    For a large proportion are clearly nutty as a Dundee cake, but considerably less useful and admirable.
    Arguably we could subtract a large number of ignorant ingenues, but the less nutty ignorant know they are ignorant, so that is disputable.

    p.s. Any chance of going upmarket to the Dundee cake, preferably on a silver salver, at this anxious time?

    • len

      Corbyn came in as ‘the pied piper’ leading all who would follow him to the land of false promises.

  • John

    The character assassination on the DUP has begun and will not abate. Their principled view on ‘same-sex marriage’, a matter that was given a free vote in 2014, and that was rejected by a majority of Conservative MPs, is now relentlessly lamented as swivel-eyed and hateful. If people like Ruth Davidson really want to preserve the union of the United Kingdom they must safeguard the culture and convictions of every part of it including those of us who do not see “progressive” as “progress”.

    • James60498 .

      Davidson apparently wants to preserve the EU too, or at least the UKs membership of the Single Market.

      At least If Sturgeon got her wish of an Independent Scotland then she would let the rest of us make our own decision on the EU.

      Davidson having won seats based on leaving the EU is now backtracking and demanding that Scotland gets to stay in the U.K. But also tells the rest of us what to do Re the EU.

      And all this despite the fact that had Scottish constituencies not affected the outcome there would have been a Conservative majority.

    • Anton

      The DUP should wear the badge with honour.

  • Inspector General

    The Inspector finds himself revelling in the result, Mrs Proudie. In fact, he’s cock-a-hoop over it. What is wrong with everybody else!

    Part of the celebration has to be the now unassailable position of Corbyn. Now, we all know the British love a loser, but this is in extremis. He’ll be there to lead his awful following into defeat the next time round too. Cherry on the cake, what!

    Best foot forward now, madam. Brexit is calling!

  • Oddly enough, the same people who are aghast that anyone should vote for the ‘crew of misfits who rejoiced’ at the Brighton bombing are happy to support the Conservatives who, with Labour, engineered the Muslim immigration that has given us the Manchester bombing.

    • Little Black Censored

      That is a rather contrived parallel. No Conservatives rejoiced with the Muslim immigrants.

      • @ Little Black Censored—Good one, but the Conservatives who loathed Britain and Christianity so much that they inflicted Islam on us are almost certainly rejoicing in their graves. Jenny Taylor writes: ‘Being in Britain at all, for the first time in history, is regarded as Allah’s gift to the faithful.’ The plain fact is that Allah’s gift was made and delivered by Labour and the Conservatives. (Hat tip: Mark Durie.)

  • CliveM

    Well generation snowflake certainly has. But then they’ve been pampered, indulged, told how wonderful they are and subsidised their whole life to date.

    And they don’t want adulthood to change this. They’re used to having their every whims indulged by their parents and they expect this to continue.

    In the cold light of day, it appears to me that every party lost yesterday, with the possible exception of the DUP.

    • Royinsouthwest

      Plaid Cymru gained a seat.

    • Sybaseguru

      But this generation snowflake is very middle class. They want their poorer cousins who get a job at 18 to pay for their 3 years playing on their xbox/playstations. Their older wealthier relatives have moved their income elsewhere to avoid paying for them.

    • Chefofsinners

      The more I think on this result, the better it seems. We’ve got Conservatives, but having to check their every move with a group of anti-abortion, anti-SSM Brexiteer’s Brexiteers.
      Pretty soon the cold hard reality will sink in for the ‘progressives’. They aren’t in power. They aren’t going to stop Brexit. They might have won, if it hadn’t been for Jeremy Corbyn’s personal ratings and Wee Jimmie Krankie mistiming her call for a second indyref.
      Thank God for the Irish and the Scots.

      • Bernard from Bucks

        And the Cornish.

      • Anton

        Yes, exactly. The DUP are a bunch of committed Christians who will not let abortion into Northern Ireland, will do their utmost to support the Ulster family being unjustly persecuted over the gay cake case, and will not let there be a craven apology for the Balfour Declaration whose centenary year this is.

        • Merchantman

          supa-DUP-pa by the sound of it. No Half measures or bitchiness there then. Linus take note.

      • Linus

        At the moment nobody is in power in the UK. May is a lame duck. She has no obvious successor and in any case whoever does succeed her will have to go back to the country to try and get a convincing majority or they’ll be just as impotent as she now is.

        Another election in the face of Tory in-fighting could well see Labour returned. At that point there’ll be any number of progressives in power for you to rail against.

        Given that the whole point of this blog is to complain, you’ll then be in heaven. 5 years of bitchy and humourless one-liners aimed at Comrade Corbyn. What more could you wish for?

        I do hope he puts Diane Abbot in charge of disestablishing the CofE and stripping all religious references from the monarchy. A secular coronation for Charles in Westminster Hall with a crossless crown screwed onto his pointy head and a godless oath administered by Stephen Fry. That ought to keep you howling in outrage for a while.

  • bluedog

    Heavens! Torch-light marches in deepest Barchester, what does that portend? Judging by the stunning success of what appears to be the Very Conservative Party, one suspects that scrutineers tables may not be level playing fields. In the words of General Secretary Corbinov, it’s not who votes but who counts the votes that matters.

  • Inspector General

    Picture of a lesbian straddling a tank here. If you’ve waited all your life for such a sight…
    ———————————
    “Ruth Davidson warns PM that LGBT rights are more important than the Tory party”
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/10/ruth-davidson-tells-pm-that-lgbt-rights-are-more-important-than-the-tory-party/
    ———————————
    Ruth goes on to say that she’s a homosexual first and a Conservative second, if it comes to it. Quell surprise. Why Conservative types elect these militant botherers into high office at all is quite beyond the Inspector. Unreliable when reliability needed comes to mind.

    {Wags finger}

    • James60498 .

      Well at least, I assume, she didn’t say “I am a homosexual because I am a Conservative”.

      That will be next.

      • Inspector General

        Think Cameron said much the same, one recalls…

  • Dreadnaught

    There’s no getting away from it, British politics is in a dire state both in so called policies and the calibre of the individuals engaged in it.
    When TM came out with her anti-social measures that drove her indignant core voting base to turn against her was when I came to the conclusion that this was an internal coup to hand the keys to Corbin. How could something as this campaign and maynifesto be so self-destructive not to be seen as anything else?
    I was not really serious at first, but I’ve seen nothing since the debacle that rubbishes my half baked conspiracy theory. Had it not been for Ruth Davidson’s Scottish successes [who could have predicted that?] Corbyn would indeed be calling for Pickfords and assuming the role of a bold Brexiteer; either that or another referendum [and classic body swerve for Tory HQ].
    The Tory Party would not be fragmenting and washing their dirty linen in the spot-light and showing up the paucity of statesmanship currently being exhibited by all and sundry.
    A Corbyn government would probably not lasted long enough to do the Country irretrievable damage. Brexit would have been abandoned, which is what the Establishment wanted and we could have survived with at least a little integrity and credibility; Corblabour would have been toast.
    Corbyn succeeded in one respect that could have benefited the Country in he awakened the next generation of voters to the prospect of involvement in politics even if as a new form of Britain’s got Talent ‘reality’ experience if necessary.
    Tory policy needs a thorough shake-out that recognises doing ‘business as usual’ is not the way forward – it has to engage with Youth but with the advantage of wisdom and modern historical relevance.

  • David

    “Have the British people taken leave of their senses”
    Yes, because many in the general population have been brainwashed by leftist influences like the BBC, whilst almost all of the young have been deeply indoctrinated by spending considerable amounts of time within a strongly leftist “education” system. One hopes that experience will help them to reconnect with reality.
    I also ponder the inherent instability of May’s coalition. As one of the chief promoters of redefining marriage sh e may be about to be hoist by her own petard. For on the one side she relies on Scottish Tories eager to further the gay agenda and on the other,by the staunchly traditional DUP opposed to same-sex so called marriage being extended to N.Ireland ! The sexual politics may well prove destructive to her fragile coalition.
    There are also of course deep differences between the English, Scottish and N. Irish groups of Tories over matters like the Irish land border and the Single Market/Immigration. It all makes for an unstable and short lived Conservative led coalition.
    May has really messed things up!
    If May and the Conservatives throw away the Brexit referendum result that Nigel Farage and UKIP sweated to achieve, over many years, the disrespect and resentment towards the Conservative Party will become immense and the country more bitterly divided than ever.

    • Dreadnaught

      No – the cowardly Lord Snooty and his Chums messed things up with a daft referendum. I am sorry for May in as much as this [brexit] was dumped on her.

      • IrishNeanderthal

        If you are referring to David Cameron co., that is a vile slur on the original Beano characters.

        I was under the impression that you were for Brexit.

        • Dreadnaught

          I am or was for Brexi,t but the hour has passed and much has changed to the extent that it has emboldened Tusk and the rest to take a hard line with whomever represents UK. They will be out to make an example of us and make us suffer; the lion and unicorn are lock in a deathly battle. We can’t run this Country with a nation divided and fracturing as it is. I would rather that now we carry on under status quo until we are in a better position to re-run a Referendum.
          The difference now is that we have aligned with Trump [the man not the nation] and our own politicians are as erratic and unpredictable which has undermined my faith in UK politics. I don’t want to see the UK dismembered and racked with even more uncertainty.
          Now is not a good time for making such a monumental decision while the very ground on which the country stands, is trembling beneath.

          • Inspector General

            “I don’t want to see the UK dismembered”

            Then you don’t want the EU, Dredders…

          • Dreadnaught

            I am unshamedly, demurring responsibility for the future of this country to the younger generations that will have the misfortune to carry on after I am no more. I have seen the best years and done of my best for this land which is repaying me by demonising the post war baby-boomers. I’m going to form a rock n roll band and take a walk on the wild side; while me knees still hold out.

          • Inspector General

            Knees giving way? You are to be placed immediately on a diet of soup and alcohol until further notice. We need to get the lard off you…

          • bluedog

            Dicky Hart and The Pacemakers?

          • Dreadnaught

            Actually its a four piece outfit and I’m calling it the Altzheimer Trio.

          • bluedog

            Rubbish. Onwards and upwards.

  • not a machine

    Well Mrs Proudie some good analysis , as advisors are stepping down and Mrs May starts to consider the arrangements to come ,I perhaps am thoughtful , just what a funny business parlimentary politics is .I think I would describe some people as a little stunned , as we mull over the results and perhaps a even more stunned at the players post election thinking , all my view is goverments must govern and any sniping just convinces more people to ponder if respect for voting , is worth anything .Perhaps the EU is looking upon matters with a sniff of some sort of victory to get a good deal , and pro Europeans may well think that we should be making the noise of really soft and cuddly brexit , well the truth there is Mes Barnier has to meet the pm and then the pm has to consider what he is saying and what he is about ,I perhaps don’t expect Mes Barnier to explain how the problems now in the euro are going to disappear and I am reminded that Mrs Mays early statement was wish them well , we want to be friends and traders but not in the federation belief that is/will cause so many problems in its arranging .This for me is why Mrs Continuation is important because she has been in the meetings , had the thoughts , and we should not forget , that she despatched the civil servant to hand the letter triggering article 50 to Mr Tusk .
    My view is that the EU would rather not be facing Mrs May , if I am wrong on that, well then I just had better be finding an allotment to garden and consider how the UK became so riven with chancers and wasters , whilst enjoying the more simple things of life ,than consider who the intelligent persons is/are who hasn’t assessed the destination where we end up .
    So giving the EU another Farrage vs van Rumpoy moment , isn’t on even though he was rather brutal about what he saw in the EU workings , I would have liked to know how commissioners meet the spending developments , but perhaps that’s all water under the bridge ,the wonks are powerful wonks , developing a federalist rule and system .Quite if the EU likes us is an interesting thought , are we troublesome , holding back the true beauty of the riech , sorry I meant infrastructure improvements or other corporate market tidying .I am not suspicious of the idea of peaceful and prosperous Europe , for those of us that had relatives who told of the sheer devastion of the second round of world war , a Europe at least trying to find a peaceful way of living is a right thing to hope for .But this peace seems to me to have ignored some constituent wishes early on and has also blown a lot of money and left some countries to suffer , so for me I have no belief that they are making anything like the happy and successful eu they talk about .To me when Greece fell (due in some ways to its own financial operation) I was reminded of an s&m dungeon , few clothes , emphasis on who the boss is and the powerful parading of the lash as your master to learn to love.
    Mr Corbyn never has made the case nor Tim Farron , nor Nick Clegg if they think the EU has financial trouble ahead , that is not only unbalanced , but shorting those people who they claim to represent if the thing is stable , ruinous or not , my view is it isn’t ,just look at the amount of euro debt in euro currency , how are they going to reduce that , without making tax payers weep ?
    But perhaps my vitriol doesn’t matter we have exit negioations , we appear to have some sort of nebulus election results , we appear politically weak and in some ways , we perhaps are so whilst the EU may look on seeing decades of weakness in the UK and the tunes of staying in the EU in a continuous loop of lament and suffering , I might point out that the EU is also having lament and suffering .It would have been better if such wounds had not occurred , but the wonks and egos play with insoluable things like children and look sad when the adult response arrives , which at some point in the next decade in my view ,it will .But then I am bit gloomy and don’t do drugs so perhaps not seeing as others do.

    Then rather quickly , after recieving praise and bag of unthought off conservative victories in Scotland the Scottish conservative leader , thinks that her group should break away …..really , what is it infection control or an all too parochial moment caught off guard in the flush of victory. Whilst Glasgow may show Norther Ireland something of the future , that doesn’t mean (as far as I can tell) that any politician in N Ireland is anything but greatful for the peace , it may sometimes feel like the past lives in N Ireland , but they are trying , they have the economic benefits of the peace ,.So is the Scottish conservatives leaders Christianity informing her , she should not pray with the troubled ?, she herself sees flags colours and drums only in the old symbolism , is she herself not modern ?. The DUP leader may well socially conservative compared to the Scottish conservative leader , may well be affirmed in the meaning of marriage compared to interpretations of its meaning , but it is a bit ignorant to think the DUP leader or other political represenatives in NI are anything like what views on homosexaluity were in the 60s and 70s .I myself have conceded that the meeting of homosexual and heterosexual , had no modern dialogue of resolution , to condem homosexuality as abhorrent was insufficient and ignorant even , but the Scottish leader strays into theological areas , which she is entitled to do , and theological matters are around the bible , and if I was being a bit more circumspect , feeling her wound unto my views on marriage and its meaning , I would not only ask more theological meaning ,knowing full well she could not answer them .80-90% of her voters are hetero sexual , and some of those will think like me .
    A generation think differently ,I have had to think differently , I have conceded on the basis that homosexuality is not the affront to condem ,Christians have no doubt made mistakes of matters of judgment , but that doesn’t make the bible ,only for homosexual revision , it means we try and remove the mote from our meeting with the beam in the other .We can only leave somethings to in a personal belief /faith , if the marriage becomes a none biblical meaning to me that will be an injustice and travesty , if the church accepts openly gay communicants , who turn to Christ and seek not to destroy meanings for the mainstream benefit , then that will have to do for me .The Scottish leader should bare in mind NI politicians have seen so called Christians killing innocents , indoctrinating hate and mutilation Christians killing Christians , a heresey that in the end made only rivers of tears and weeping , lives gone ,lives that could have been something else . If the Scottish minister dislikes the DUP I perhaps ponder If the DUP leader is a bit more practical about something she may not understand .
    We must consider the peace valuable ,precious , true service to Christ

    • Inspector General

      ” I have conceded on the basis that homosexuality is not the affront to condem ”

      Let’s see. Meeting up with a stranger in a city churchyard and opening your bowel to him. Can you condemn that? Because you need to know this. Big Gay doesn’t do half measures. Not just the aforementioned, but gay orgies. All to be blessed, are they? You see, they want EVERYTHING that is so called gay accepted. EVERYTHING. until that happens, the church will continue to be bigoted homophobic haters, even if they marry old poofs in their fifties who look uncomfortably like each other.

      You need to get your mind right, machine.

      • not a machine

        I am hopefull my mind is right ,I am making a defence of something I see as important from/in the bible in meaning .I understand your terms Inspector general Christianity has some meanings which are a reflection of God and the creation , but Christ is some sort of meaning around sacrifice ,it is interesting that no sin was found in him , yet still he was put to death .The law does not explicitly condem homosexuality,but Christ seems to suggest the law is incomplete and that the holy spirit will be given .
        I am perhaps considering if/ when we go for communion , we all kneel and know when we have humility in our hearts or unresolved troubles which exert their power .I admit it I have problems with what may be termed influence in doctrine and have to have a bit of double when my theological understanding does not seem the same in the modern progressive evangelist who claims to be on Christian foundation ,I enter into judgement and look to god to help me understand .But to condem …. that is all together more different thing , I think you have to be very thoughtful when brandishing condemnation ,some are easy pickings for minds that fail to wish for gods love to enter into others hearts , and I somehow think that God is better than the judgment of men and can reach further .
        It perhaps is for the gay community to consider what in turning to Christ they understand and if changing meanings is the good thing ,I have no intention of changing the meanings of scripture , some are quite perfect as they are , at the moment it would seem that some scripture is verboten ,I perhaps prefer incomplete.
        Hebrews 6/7 are very difficult passages

        • Inspector General

          Be strong of spirit, machine. Leave the sexually handicapped to themselves. They are an unhappy crowd, and there’s CP if they want to ‘make it legal’. One final thought. You do realise the worst of them are atheists, yet they still picket outside churches. Leave them be, they are lost to Christ and they are lost to the Christian brotherhood. Yet they still complain about not being accepted! One’s time patrolling PN gives you the answer. Many there are not the full shilling. Far from it…

          • not a machine

            Yes I realized rather late on that some wanting influence in the church were not even in the truth ,let alone theologically adept which takes a lifetime

          • Inspector General

            Christ made it clear that no one comes to the Father but through him. Those who reject Christ will have their soul rot along with their corpse. A dreadful thing, but this is the way God has it for us. We are fortunate that we can be saved. One has always seen the human race as a disposable item in the first. But then God saw the result of his experiment of truly independent minds, and relented. (From the Higher Understanding).

          • not a machine

            Yes that does seem to be truth , I wish it were easy to transfer such understandings

        • Linus

          Why would we turn to an imaginary messiah believed in only by a bunch of crazed and marginal oddballs who lurk on the fringes of society condemning everyone to eternal torment?

          The LGBT community needs to understand nothing more about Christ than the fact that he’s a literary construct used as a weapon against us by those who hate us.

          • not a machine

            oh hi linus , er little reactionary tonight arnt we … I mean you in the final analysis don’t believe in anything ….. or do you ?????

          • bluedog

            Linus is desperate for acceptance. That’s what drives his contempt for this blog. Perverse, eh?

          • not a machine

            not really , he has doubts , the fanatics always do

          • Linus

            Bluedog (along with every other Christian) is desperate to be right. At all costs. That’s what drives his contempt for anyone who disagrees with him. Perverse, eh?

          • Anton

            What drives yours?

          • bluedog

            Example?

          • Linus

            Example? Every comment you make.

          • bluedog

            Well that’s it, then. You’re wrong and I’m right. As usual.

          • Inspector General

            You sexual cripples are worthy of pity. Not hate.

          • Linus

            Pity? You mean the emotion that virtually everyone on this blog has expressed towards you at one time or another?

            Yes, you know all about pity, don’t you? You’ve had to deal with it all your life.

            Poor Inspector: his life serves as a warning of what can happen when an inadequate intelligence meets religious bigotry and alcohol abuse.

            Pity him, yes. But never take pity on him. He’s beyond redemption and certainly beyond all human help. Let him maunder away until he drinks himself into an early and unlamented grave. His homophobic hatred will die with him. It’s only a matter of time.

          • Inspector General

            Turn to Christ, Linus. Become our brother in him. You suffer, oh how you suffer now, but discard these things that make you so unhappy and be at peace with the world. Knowing your place in it.

          • Anton

            I think you are too late for the Inspector to go to an early grave.

          • Inspector General

            The Inspector had his blood pressure tested when he was fifty. The result so surprised his GP that he wrote it down for him. It was the same as that for a fit eighteen year old. True that.

          • TropicalAnglican

            Good for you!
            It reminds me of my reaction when I saw Trump’s medical figures. What, that short-fused 70-year-old can have a lower bp than me? (Don’t remember the exact figure offhand, but it was definitely under 120/70).
            And if the KFC-lovin’, pizza-eatin’, TWO scoops of ice-cream plus chocolate cream pie 200+ pounder can also have a lower cholesterol level (169), well, then, life is unfair!
            Of course, I am assuming the figures were not trumped-up (or trumped-down, as the case may be …)

          • Inspector General

            Life can be so cruel to those that do not deserve such, TA

            The Inspector’s secret is that he walks everywhere, having abandoned personal vehicular transport. There’s a lot in that, you know, you keep fit without paying a gym for the privilege….

          • Linus

            I understand the man (if indeed he is a man) to be in his fifties.

            As far as whiskey-soaked and bitterly unhappy Irishmen go, that may well add up to a longer-than-normal lifespan, so his demise may well be long overdue. But you have to take account of the fact that he’s lived in England for many years, and in England they don’t let alcoholics die in the gutter at the age of 35.

            No, consumers of alcohol are far too important to the British economy to let them die young. That’s why you have paramedics. We therefore have to assume that when they pick him up dead drunk out of whatever gutter he’s sprawled in 5 or 6 times a week, he’ll be sluiced down, wormed and given a square meal before they dump him on the doorstep of whatever hostel or refuge is tasked with the onerous duty of housing him. This surely means his life expectancy can’t be far off the British male average.

            I fear he’ll be with us for some time yet. While Johnnie Walker may rejoice at that fact, I doubt many others will. But eternal he is not, so his homophobic rants will be silenced soon enough.

          • Anton

            Might I suggest that you compare the death rates due to cirrhosis of the liver in the UK and France? See Table 4 in:

            https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-014-0145-y

            A few decades ago it was more than three times higher in France and is still substantially higher.

          • Linus

            And your statistics are à propos of what, exactly? The Inspector doesn’t live in France. He lives in England. Statistics or no statistics, alcohol poisoning will get him in the end.

          • Anton

            Anybody can look at the exchange above in which you had a go at the English for alcoholism despite the death rate in France from the classic alcoholic’s disease being higher.

            You have no idea how much the Inspector actually drinks, or whether he is (unhappily) close to death from other ailments.

          • Linus

            France’s problem with alcohol stems from the regular overindulgence of many individuals in the wine they drink with their meals. They don’t binge-drink, get rip-roaring drunk and then vomit it all up over the nearest pavement. Most don’t get drunk at all, but their daily dose of alcohol damages their liver over time.

            Contrast that with British binge drinking, where not only is a person’s liver at risk, but entire town centres are turned into no-go zones at the weekend and hospital casualty departments are regularly overwhelmed.

            The Inspector freely admits to being a drinker. Exactly how much he imbibes is a secret known only to him. I maintain that, all things being equal, his rambling and incoherent rants provide substantial circumstantial evidence of a substantial alcohol abuse problem. But of course you may be right and his problems may be due to something completely different.

            It’s pointless to speculate as to what his real problem is. Suffice to say that he clearly has one.

          • CliveM

            Linus isn’t interested in facts.

          • Inspector General

            Must be an anxious time for you. Latest HIV test results being late…I’ll bet you’ll have something to say to that postman, what!

  • CliveM

    I don’t know if this has already been said, but their is a petition to award Corbyn with the Nobel peace prize. For his sterling work with regards the Irish peace process.

    The world has gone mad.

    • Chefofsinners

      The Nobel committee has got bored and entered an ironic phase. Remember last time: Bob Dylan got the prize for literature. Or was it for ‘most shapely bosom’? I forget.
      Next year: The Nobel prize for economics goes to Diane Abbott.

      • CliveM

        I thought maths?

        • betteroffoutofit

          Right – we need to fashion that in American style: MATH. You know, the singular – Math -um -a 🙂
          That way she’ll have time to think one plus er . . .

          Fortunately, “mathematica” already signifies a female mathematician (learner) . .

      • Anton

        It’s already gone to someone who said a few years before 2008 that a housing bubble in the USA would be a good idea (Krugman).

        • IanCad

          We must remember Al Gore’s 2007 award. His book has probably cost the taxpayer more than any other work of fiction.

          • Anton

            Surely his film?

    • betteroffoutofit

      And Nero is a Hero!

      • Anton

        He was a Zero.

    • Anton

      Plus ca change. Have you seen the list of warmongers and former terrorists who have received this prize in the past?

      • CliveM

        Doesn’t make the world less mad!!!!!!

        Or maybe it’s me?

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          Did you see that strange news story about a group of pro-Islam LGBTQWERTY folk who are planning to protest against a LGBTQWERTY anti-sharia law demonstration? This, for me, defines the madness we are living in and brings to mind turkeys voting for Christmas. If the radical LGBTQWERTYs can’t acknowledge the danger they are in, then we are in Eloi and Morlock country for sure.

          • CliveM

            My five year bender idea is becoming more and more attractive.

            It appears to me (despite claims to the contrary) that the more secular people become, the more irrational they behave.

          • Inspector General

            Allow the Inspector to explain muddled Queer thinking, Mrs Proudie…

            In the UK, Islam is a minority. Thus, not to be of the majority means they lose out in some way to a White Anglo Saxon male hegemony. Now, that means they are eligible for the victimhood scale. Queer types see themselves as the biggest victims of all, after wimmyn, and thus seek to express empathy with Islam by supporting them.

            The same thinking applies to black homophobia. Queer types regularly remind blacks that they were once slaves and should find common ground with gays. Not beat and kill them as they are very good at doing. So it is with Islam, the gays hope one day that Islam will accept that they ‘owe them one’ for the trouble.

            Which is why gays will campaign to close down every CoE faith school but not Finsbury Park mosque.

            Fortunately, as these gays get into their twenties and older, they encounter ‘rude awakening’ syndrome. It’s a bit like shaking off all the dream dust on them. And they start to grow up, for want of a better phrase…

          • IanCad

            That the world is stark raving mad is proven by the Homo Lobby.

            Here’s a link to the insanity:

            https://lgbtai.wordpress.com/

      • David

        My Norwegian friends tell me that the list of people who have been awarded the Nobel prize is an embarrassment to them.

    • Manfarang

      He was never involved in any peace negotiations.

      • CliveM

        I know but he appears to be trying to get the credit.

        • Manfarang

          Another reason why DUP and the Conservatives will reach an agreement and it might even last five years.

  • betteroffoutofit

    “a cynical, communistical party, who want to get their hands on our loose change, down to the last farthing… ”
    Oh Mrs Proudie – the poor dear Archdeacon!! Someone needs to tell him that use of the farthing (my favorite coin, at the time) was discontinued in 1961!!! Doubtless to please those very euro commies – who’ve been at their games since before any of our lives began!!
    It’s rather as old Omar said around (I dare say) Anno Domini 1048–1131 – bit of multi-culti help from Fitzgerald revealed the aliens’ emmo:
    Ah Love! could thou and I with Fate conspire
    To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
    Would not we shatter it to bits—and then
    Re-mould it nearer to the Heart’s Desire! (“Rubaiyyat” Stanza 73)

    So in light of todays fragment, I’m forced to face the state of what’s left of the pound sterling …. Ah well! that’s as old-fashioned and out of date an idea as the Archdeacon, you or I, isn’t it? Advanced and modern Snowflakes have computers to deal with that sort of thing . . .

  • Anton

    Somebody wise wrote on the preceding thread that the country is now divided between those who wish to keep their benefits and the other half who do not want to pay for them. A comment that can scarcely be bettered.

    • Inspector General

      Priests of a Marxist nature will be reassured the Labour Party has time for the healthy idle feckless. One recalls a nuisance from long ago brought in front of magistrates. He was described as ‘an unemployed poet’.

      • Royinsouthwest

        Couldn’t some minor aristocrat or reasonably prosperous landowner have employed that man as a bard? That is what would have happened in medieval Wales.

    • Hmm .. it certainly appears that the young are content to continue paying old age pensions above the rate of inflation, for increasing social care, regardless of one’s ability to pay, and winter fuel allowance as a universal benefit.

      • Chefofsinners

        ‘The young’ pay nothing. It is the middle aged who are paying for everything.

      • James60498 .

        Surely being content to do something implies considered knowledge of the situation.

        I doubt that the vast majority of them considered that they would be paying towards anyone else’s cost, just what they themselves would be receiving.

    • Sarky

      Benefits should be a last resort, not a way life. I’m not that old, but i can remember when being on benefits had a certain amount of shame attached to it, now it’s a badge of honour.

  • Hi

    A note of caution for those taking the DUP arrangement as a carte blanche for social conservatism (gay marriage , abortion ) or ” hard “Brexit, or would suggest a political reality check .

    Firstly the issue of gay marriage is a devolved matter, so they can veto this in Northern Ireland , but the DUP wouldn’t be able to change gay marriage in the rest of the UK as there isn’t the numbers in the house of commons (such matters as well as abortion legislation are not whipped and are on free vote ) .

    In respect of brexit , the DUP wants an open border between the republic and the UK and assess to the European markets. So not quite” hard ” Brexit without any deal.

    In reality the deal with probably involve financial bungs to Northern Ireland and maybe devolving or setting the corporate tax rate to 12.5% to compete with the republic. The Guido blog listed the areas that conservatives and DUP could find common ground. It didn’t mention gays or abortion once. This is a hysterical thing brought up by liberal and left types to rally their troops.

    I think a third reality check is that without a majority and even with DUP support , any legislation is subject to the whims and rebellious nature of Conservative MPs. It will take only a dozen or more MPs to halt legislation. Then there’s the house of peers. Therefore expect a lot of compromise or gridlock. I think one senator in America once quipped it took two days just to get a majority to flush the toilets . We’re in that territory and it’s already beginning to stink.

    • Anton

      You might not understand the strength of feeling about abortion among evangelical Christians. It is presently illegal in almost all cases in Northern Ireland and the DUP would surely be willing to blow up the agreement with the Tories if any attempt were made to change that.

      • Hi

        *sigh* . I didn’t suggest that the conservative party would try to change Northern Irish abortion law . I was suggesting the DUP couldn’t impose their views on abortion on the rest of the UK.

        • Chefofsinners

          This whole issue has been manufactured by the media and a certain group of activists which others might refer to as ‘Big Gay’. There has never been any suggestion by the DUP that they would seek to impose their view on SSM over the democratic will of the English people. This is in fact an attempt by this small but vocal group of English (and Scottish) activists to push their view on the people of Northern Ireland, who have democratically chosen a different position. Not content with gaining a change in the law, they are attempting to create a new (baseless) morality which they are oh-so-quick to ram down the throats of all and sundry.

          • Hi

            I agree , the DUP know this , but it’s a good dog whistle to keep Labour MPs and the guardian excited. I only wish they were as excited over the antisemitism in their own party…sadly it’s “only [us] ‘Zionist ‘” and ergo Jews don’t count in Labour’s pantheon of minority groups.

          • Hi

            Forgot to add that Gordon Brown and Labour tried to come to a deal with the DUP back in 2010. Ian Paisley Jr , has tweeted that Miliband was fishing for a deal in 2015 in the event of a hung Parliament….

        • Anton

          In context your words were pretty ambiguous and I am grateful for your clarification.

    • not a machine

      Hi Hannah
      “May will quiver with the wind and no one will be happy” I think your confusing being not a pr pro with lack of ability ,whilst Mrs May be a little annoyed with the outcome of the election and taking shots from her own , don’t confuse that as quivering .She may be a little cool in some ways , but can quite ably vapourise any chancers and I would think that the last couple of days she has had all on to contain the fury within her temprement ,I wouldn’t like to be on the end of any playing of games in this time or assume about her character or abilities

      • Hi,

        From what I can see Mrs May fails to provide elucidation on her robotic mantras and isn’t at all a collegiate leader . This is not good as we have a Cabinet form of government , rather than Presidential .

        Politically Mrs May is a lame duck without much authority , e.g. no cabinet changes. She has failed to gain the mandate she wanted and Conservative supporters such as me are rightly furious about this situation going from a majority to a minority ministry. The final straw in how I felt was the arrogant – I called it a” parallel universe”- speech outside of number 10 on Friday.

        In terms of parliamentary timetable , surely one must acknowledge that a minority government, even with support from 10 MPs from another party, isn’t going to get legislation through “on the nod”, but it is certainly not a strong and stable situation? (Yes the chief whip has a tarantula , but if I were an MP I’d have a pet python brought into meetings ).

        But anyways , Jim Callaghan managed to survive 3 years before being toppled, with support from minority parties, e.g. Liberals and Ulster Unionists , but DUP aside , May cannot rely on any other party. Callaghan wrote later about how exhausting and distracting it is to try and get deals done without a majority.

        And the difference is that the country has to begin brexit negotiations soon and whatever the outcome Parliament will want to have a say, there’s the great repeal bill , so this scrutiny is going to take up time and maybe even provoke backbench rebellion.

        • bluedog

          Mrs May is going to have to get very good at managing relationships. Not so long ago, it seemed that she and Phillip Hammond were ganging up on Boris. Then came Hammond’s budget, which apparently didn’t get signed off by the full Cabinet, and Mrs May cut Phil off at the knees. So two of the most powerful men in the Cabinet have an axe to grind at a time when she badly needs their support. In short, they can name their price. David Davis is probably too old to be a leadership candidate, other than a caretaker, and both Boris and Phil would have to be contenders, along with Rudd if Mrs May’s position becomes untenable. But if she is generous and uses them all effectively, Mrs May can turn her fortunes around. A successful negotiation of Brexit will be be the determining factor. Another factor is Mrs May’s own ability to live with extraordinary pressure. She could be forgiven for just walking away and resigning her office, although that would cause the loss of any respect.

          • Hi blue dog,

            Good analysis . One interesting documentary was done for newsnight by Matthew Parris, which highlights in retrospect the difficulty ahead in her ability to negotiate deals :

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dOiFSAb-z9A

          • Manfarang

            She was Home Secretary in a coalition government so she might be better at managing relationships than you think.

        • len

          The message the people told May is don`t take us for fools.(Although Corbyn obviously did and did a better job of it)

    • David

      Yes such a “supply and confidence” arrangement will make for slow, disjointed and unsure government. I can’t see it as anything but unstable.This is the opposite of what is needed during Brexit. Hitchins has always been right -the Conservatives are useless and Labour worse. We are very poorly governed.

      • Manfarang

        Talks continuing next week. Jeremy saying he can be PM should spur the talks along.

        • Navarth

          He will be PM, it’s only a matter of time.

          • Manfarang

            Even if he can get SNP support he is still short of a majority.

          • Linus

            This parliament will be a short-lived one. The leadership contest that will follow May’s departure is going to reveal the deep divides that exist in the Conservative party, meaning that whoever succeeds May won’t be able to command a solid majority. In such circumstances even the support of the DUP won’t allow them to govern. A new election is inevitable.

            Corbyn may be PM within a few short months, possibly even weeks. Of course nothing is certain in such a volatile political climate, but the Tory stranglehold on political power is over. Corbyn will probably need coalition partners to govern, which should put a lid on his crazier policies. And May will go down in history as not just a “bloody difficult” woman, but a suicidal one too.

          • Manfarang

            Expect the unexpected.

          • Anton

            Anything could happen in the next half year!

          • Manfarang

            Yes Sinn Féin could take up its Westminster seats.

          • Anton

            That would be entertaining!

  • Manfarang

    I am going to the bakers for some rich fruit cake to take to the office tomorrow so my colleagues can celebrate the official birthday.
    Listened to a rather long sermon on Sodom and Gomorrah at church today. Are there no female angels?

    • IanCad

      No! In heaven there will be neither male or female. Galatians 3:28

      • Chefofsinners

        Gal 3:28 applies to the church.
        Angels are always described as male, including Satan, so nothing for men to be proud of.

        • IanCad

          But so is God male – or at least, referred to as such. Can’t imagine sex in Heaven working out too well, what with all the passions, jealousies and delusions attendant to the act.

          • Chefofsinners

            No indeed, which is why homosexuality is a sin.

      • Alison Bailey Castellina

        Hmmn – where does that come from? The Bible says “there is neither male nor female, slave nor free – all are one in Christ”. That is not the same as saying gender will be removed or we will all be male angels ten feet tall. Believers will be themselves, but in spiritual and presumably physical fullness with extraordinary powers, like walking through doors like the risen Christ and possibly flying, running and walking without effort (“They shall run and not be weary etc”). I would not want to be genderless. Why? I am quite happy as I am and my female gender has a lot to do with that (not that I have tried anything else). The Bible teaching is that there is no marriage in heaven and presumably no sex – which could simplify things. Marriage and sex are for this life, only.

        • IanCad

          Presumably there will be one plumbing system for all, but whatever is in store we are promised delight.

          “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9

    • Chefofsinners

      I explain it to my family thus:
      There is a cute angel, which is the child, there is the obtuse angel, which is the female, and there’s the right angel, which is me.

      • Manfarang

        Well I didn’t think the little angel sitting near me was obtuse, ethnic Chinese for sure.

        • Chefofsinners

          On reflexion, I may be wrong.

          • Manfarang

            Overgeneralisation?

          • Chefofsinners

            Justify came at it from the wrong angle.

      • Sarky

        Angel or angle?

    • Hi

      “Are there no female angels?”

      I thought this passage at least hints at “female looking” malakhim :

      Zechariah 5:9 “Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there came forth two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork; and they lifted up the measure between the earth and the heaven.”

      Although I think classic Jewish sources suggest that in reality malakhim are neither male or female in the sense we understand. Moses Maimonides calls angels “the flaming sword that turns every way” , they can change as either gender , but are
      beings of form without matter, different one another not by any bodily distinctions but solely by spiritual task and purpose.

      • Manfarang

        Anyway greetings from the great city of angels, it’s where the immortal divinity dwells, the invincible city, the royal capital endowed with nine precious jewels and full of joy, it is abundant with enormous royal palaces, it’s where the reincarnated angels reside, at the order of Indra, Vishvakarma majestically built the capital.

  • IanCad

    Short and sweet Mrs. P. Wolfed it down in a single session.
    Wonderful man – that Archdeacon – just the type we need to lead the Half-Conservative Party.
    As always – Great Stuff!! Commiserations, condolences, sympathies, to all who despair at the utter incompetence of the wind blown nonentities who rule us.

  • IanCad

    You are so right Sarky. As the scripture says “Neither” current culture says “Either” Our choice.

  • Ivan M

    Corbyn turned out to be a serious contender. I was wrong about him. The Marxist class based analysis of society has the merit of being a fairly accurate guide for action.

    • Sarky

      Corbyn isn’t a contender, but his policies are. If you offer the freeloading youth freebies, what do you expect???

      • Linus

        It’s called democracy. People vote selfishly.

        Anyway, they’re your children. Why didn’t you raise them better?

        • Sarky

          I do. Many dont.

      • Ivan M

        Then embrace freebies in order to win. In my opinion there is very little point in financial rectitude when there is no moral rectitude. It’s an ersatz for conventional morality.

        But I have to speak up for the young. When I was growing up in Singapore education was more or less free. Jobs were there for the asking. A visit to the surgery ward did not cost and arm and a leg. Is it the same now for the young anywhere?

        • Ray Spring

          Freebies are ok if we give them to kids. We borrow the cash for the bribe, and hand the total bill to the kids in 20 years time, plus interest. The exchange rate will also decline, or should decline, making overseas holidays and stuff more expensive. Nothing wrong with a bribe, providing the person being bribed pays for the bribe.

          • Ivan M

            I don’t know but it does seem that in modern advanced economies, the day of reckoning can be pushed to the indefinite future, on the back of cheap energy and technical advances.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            And when real people become too energy-demanding to keep, will we all be uploaded? Like in this video (if you didn’t find the last one too terrible):

            UO ZAPP! – Banda Piazzolla – YouTube

            Note: “Uo Zapp” = “Whatsapp”, while “zapp” means ׅ“hoe” (noun or verb according to context.)

          • Ivan M

            Nothing like that is possible. They have been promising this since the Marlon Brando Superman movie. If they can manage it with a tiny cell that would a landmark achievement on the order of unravelling the DNA. But nothing like that is possible even for a mere cell, since the physical context in which it is embedded cannot be emulated by any linear sequence of bits.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            What’s the name of the chap that wants to upload us all into the Singularity?

          • Ivan M

            Kurzweil. IIRC it will all happen in a couple of decades.

          • Ray Spring

            Or, in modern advanced economies, we can just print money. I do think printing money is more financially prudent than borrowing the stuff. We print money and in theory our exchange rate declines to reflect the increased money in circulation. So the cost printing money is handed to us immediately. The cost of borrowing money, in a low interest rate situation, is as you write, kicked down the road indefinitely. However, when the bill does come due, it cannot be paid and everything collapses.

        • Sarky

          Erm. We still have free healthcare. Education is free until 18. Paying fees for further education means students go because they really want to, it means im not paying for thousands more media studies degrees. As for jobs, my oldest has found himself two whilst waiting for his army start date.
          If you’re lazy, its crap and so it should be. The opportunities are there for those who want them.

          • Ivan M

            Well then I am wrong again.

          • Ivan M

            The smart fellow running Morgoth has a credible explanation for the youth voting pattern. All boils down to competing memes on the social media. I tend to take memes seriously since they work as catchy tunes. Very difficult to get off the mind once it takes hold as a pattern in the brain.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            We need to flood the social media with earworms, particular non-English ones.

            Here is one from Abruzzo, featuring the fact that in Italian, “tavoletta” means both “tablet computer” and “toilet seat”.

            No need to understand the language, the video is graphic enough!

            LA TAVOLETTA (lu tablèt) official video – Banda Piazzolla – YouTube

          • Ivan M

            Seem rather moronic. A bunch of bucolic country bumpkins. I don’t think the techno-rave kids will be impressed. You are not dealing with peasants you know.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            Alas, I think you are right.

            Although, I do not like the term “moronic”. Town despising country may be one reason Europe, including the British Isles, is now in such a mess.

          • Ivan M

            We always need someone to look down on. You are right about this. Any moron from the towns can feel effortlessly superior to country folks excepting those country people with large manors or castles.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            One more thing (as Columbo would say) concerning that video?

            If the equivalent in English had been put out by Monty Python, would people have dismissed it like that?

          • Ivan M

            Monty Python had snob appeal. These guys are mild fellows .

      • Thank God the 16 yr olds didn’t have the vote I say.

        • Sarky

          I was talking to some people in their late teens/early twenties prior to the election and their naivety was astounding. Their opinions are formed on Facebook and Twitter, its actually quite frightening.

          • IanCad

            For Sure!! My own observations lead me to believe their terrifying dopeyness is inversely proportional to the number of years they have spent in full time education.

  • len

    Quite a mark about how anti- Christian the Tory Party and our society has become ( by the opposition to the potential support of the DUP.)
    Seems our society would rather face chaos than have a party which opposes gay marriage and abortion lend its support?.
    Echoes of the past” we will not have this man reign over us, give us Barrabas instead.”
    If ever we needed an estimation of how far our society has fallen?.

    • David

      Totally Agee Len.

    • Navarth

      The simple fact is that May’s hubris in immediately announcing that she would get into bed with the DUP was yet another a catastrophic mistake. Given the alleged importance of Brexit negotiations, on Friday morning she had to pitch for a government of national unity. She absolutely had to show humility and talk to the other parties including Corbyn. Any kind of alliance with the DUP is completely out of the question given the peace process as Jonathan Powell correctly points out. Unless you actually want a return to the Troubles?

      • len

        Its not me who has consider getting into bed with the DUP but the TM’s Government?.
        But if the DUP and the British Goverment are not free to act in a democracy for fear of violent reaction what does that say about our Democracy.?.
        Better make peace with radical Islam quickly?.

      • Dreary Steeple

        For all her faults May is not that sort of girl who gets into bed with anybody. Who wants a return to the troubles?. Certainly not the dup or any of the other unionist parties. Powell is not the only person to come out with this canard over the last few days. What they are saying is if you don’t do what we say or believe to be right you are going to get trouble. One think you need to learn very quickly about the Ulster prod, he will not be held to ransom by anybody. Oh and I am not a dup voter.

      • Anton

        Only one man called Powell ever talked sense about politics in Northern Ireland (and many other subjects).

    • Come on, Len. Don’t you know that the destruction of the family unit and the murder of the unborn are the hallmarks of a civilised society? Nobody wants to go back to the dark ages of respecting the sanctity of marriage and valuing human life!

      • len

        Sadly the truth is we are living in post Christian Europe.Europe has (by and large) rejected Christianity but embraced paganism.

        • Linus

          Europe has rejected Christianity and embraced rationalism, which is not a religion and therefore cannot be referred to correctly as “paganism”.

          Pagans have gods. Rationalists do not. If you don’t even know who your opponents are, no wonder you’ve been so comprehensively beaten.

          • IanCad

            Rationalists are their own God.

          • len

            Beat me to it Ian.

          • IanCad

            Rude of me to jump in so soon Len but I couldn’t let it go.

          • len

            Don`t mind at all Ian.

          • Yeah, and they eventually die out as they rationalise themselves to death.

          • Rationality, of course, changing from one moment to the next, as each generation of rationalists look back in horror at the irrationality of their predecessors’ rationalism. Building your house on shifting sands and all that…

          • IanCad

            Exactly so Marie. Trouble is that on the way they take an awful lot of innocent lives with them.

          • len

            Rationists have a god, which is themselves.
            This is the oldest lie in the Universe.’You can be as god.’

          • Anton

            Europe has rejected institutional Christianity (Catholic and protestant, before Jack gets going). As for gospel Christianity, the world always rejects that.

            You are entirely right that most people in Europe do not believe in powerful spirit beings who may interact with human life (it’s not so easy to define the meaning of the word ‘god’). However the Muslims call rationalists pagans. Good luck in having a genteel debate with them.

          • Linus

            One doesn’t talk to Muslims. There’s no point. Those who are attracted to that faith don’t suffer from the Christian need to justify themselves.

          • Anton

            Quite true, they just get on with conquest. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.

          • Linus

            There you go again: trying to whip up ill feeling against a Muslim Peril. I know you don’t believe what you’re saying and it’s just a cynical ploy to try and gain support for your religion by scapegoating another. How transparent you are. I can see right through you.

          • Anton

            Time will tell, won’t it?

          • Linus

            It certainly will. Just as it always does. Just like it did for another (in)famous prognosticator of Christian doom.

            Harold Camping must have hated time. It proved him wrong over and over again.

          • Anton

            If you are going to prophesy the end of the world, be sure to set the date far enough ahead for you to be dead – unless all hell breaks loose one spring 3.5 years after a major peace treaty in the Middle East involving Israel has been signed

          • Linus

            Sigh.

            As I said, I do not engage in prophecy and incantation. Predicting the end of the world I leave up to gibbering Christians. There’s always one or other of you foretelling Armageddon within the next six months. So far not a single one of you has been right.

            Of course they were all wrong and you MUST be right. Because you are you and your unrivalled intelligence and direct line to god ensure your infallibility, don’t they?

            Pauvre gogol …

        • It is sad, but also inevitable. The faithful have always been the minority. “Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

    • Dreadnaught

      Have we not learned the lesson of dabbling in Irish sectarian politics?
      I served over there; lost a friend over there to the Provos. The place is barely healing. The UK government was the peace broker, now it is aligning with one of the sectarian protagonists.
      This is absolutely insane.

      • len

        My brother in law served in Ireland and was shot(but survived luckily) but this is about the unwillingness of those in the UK who would not consider joining with a party(any party) who hold to Christian principles.

        • Dreadnaught

          I don’t agree; it has very little if anything to do with anything of the sort. Its about the clear danger of re-igniting the Troubles by aligning with the Ian Paisley Party. Do all those deaths mean so little? Does maintaining the peace process mean so little that it’s worth sacrificing more lives to keep a lame duck political party in power?
          What did my mates die for Len?

          • len

            Whats the alternative?.

          • Dreadnaught

            Pretty obvious – another election and accept the democratic result.

          • len

            Looks that way Dreadnaught.And the sooner the better.

          • Dreadnaught

            Be that as it may – if that’s what it takes to keep the kingdom united, so be it; they will have only five years max, then we can rebuild.

          • Anton

            Stuff all if it means sellout to the IRA. Your brave mates were sold out by the likes of Mowlam. They deserved better.

          • Dreadnaught

            We don’t deserve the witch hunt of ex-forces pensioners 40 years after the events while our government stays silent while Provos in suits harass us with impunity.

          • Anton

            There I completely and strongly agree with you.

          • Inspector General

            Well damn well don’t. After Bloody Sunday, it was said that the number of young men willing to sign up to the IRA was too much for the few active IRA men around. The Parachute Regiment had criminals within. 40 years is nothing. It is known they set out before the fact to give Paddy a bloody good thrashing. Let them answer for that!

          • Anton

            I was referring to far wider events than Bloody Sunday. I had in mind the amnesty for IRA murderers and the lawyers who hassle Our Boys for their brave deeds in Iraq. I happen to think that we should never have been in Iraq and Afghanistan and that our Forces deaths there were a waste of good men, but responsibility for that lies higher up and every November I give thanks for the brave men who serve to keep us safe.

          • Inspector General

            Understood. Bloody Sunday rankles as it changed everything and it could have been avoided if the NCOs who were in on it or at the very least chose to ignore had alerted their commissioned officers that war crimes and mutiny were in the air.

      • Anton

        It was absurd for the UK government to act as peace broker between an independence movement and, er… the UK government. Major and Blair have a lot to answer for.

        • Dreadnaught

          I don’t think you have the remotest idea of what you are on about.

          • Anton

            We think the same of each other then. But you and your mates were brave men used as pawns.

    • Linus

      If Arlene Foster is your messiah then good luck to you.

      I’ve been reading about the DUP. You know they believe the pope is the antichrist, don’t you? Quite literally. They really are that batshit crazy.

      If you want to be governed by gibbering fundamentalists, or have a weak government held hostage by gibbering fundamentalists, then you’ll be satisfied with a ConDUP deal. But you’ll also be in a tiny minority.

      The vast majority of the population does not want to be governed by religious zealots. This deal – if indeed it is a deal – won’t last very long. The moment the crazy Ulstermen start to gibber and froth at the mouth is the moment it will all fall apart. And as they basically can’t open their mouths without gibbering and frothing, that moment will probably come quite soon.

      So where will May hide when the DUP start demanding the outlawing of abortion and compulsory “re-education camps” for gays across the whole of the UK? What will she do when they start blackmailing her over the Northern Irish settlement? She’d be much smarter to cut her losses and throw in the towel now.

      • len

        You make my case splendidly Linus.
        Although I suspect you are not ‘of our youth’, they have been brainwashed and are following the carrot Comrade Corbyn suckered them into believing was a possibility.

        I suspect May is finished, but what the future holds is anyones guess?

      • Manfarang

        The DUP started as Paisley’s Protestant Unionist Party it has become less sectarian, trying to attract support from Catholics. After all many Catholics are anti-abortion and anti same sex marriage.
        At the end of the 1970s the Labour government relied on the support of the Official Ulster Unionists.

        • Linus

          At the end of the 70s Britain was still largely trapped in a Christian timewarp. Religion was still an accepted part of public life. This is no longer the case. A government propped up by religious fundamentalists is no longer a tenable proposition.

          Face it, the last 40 years have seen religion move from being an accepted part of the daily life of the majority to become a bizarre and extremist ritual engaged in by only the most marginal and atypical personalities. What could just about be accepted 40 years ago is now completely out of the question.

          A Conservative government propped up by religious extremists can have only weeks to live. In trying to cling on, it will drive thousands more into the arms of Corbyn.

          A Labour government is in the offing. Enjoy the last few weeks of Conservative rule. The foundations of your shining citadel of nationalist isolationism are giving way and the whole thing is coming down around your ears. And when it does, the howls and cries of woe will be monumentally entertaining.

          • Manfarang

            At the end of the 50s maybe. A lot of social change happened in the 1960s.

          • The Conservatives need a leader who will roast and bury Corbynov and his magic money tree. Maggie would have given him a right handbaging in the election campaign, but Mrs May I don’t think relishes combat

          • Linus

            The Conservatives may need a leader, but what they’ve got is a clueless Maybot.

            She’s just given a job to Michael Gove. Apparently her software is in meltdown and she’s stuck in an error loop that can only lead to catastrophic failure.

            Meanwhile Corbyn looks more and more attractive to more and more voters.

          • A Maybot! Yes, that’s exactly what she is and her HDD is full. She’s reached her limit. Time for a new model.

            Even though the people where I am hate Pinnochio, they voted for him in their droves to get Corbynov. They’ve fallen for his jam today rhetoric hook line and sinker.

          • Anton

            A government propped up by religious fundamentalists is no longer a tenable proposition.

            Translation:

            “religious fundamentalists” = people who actually believe in God rather than pretending they do

            “no longer a tenable position” = I don’t like it.

            Face it, the last 40 years have seen religion move from being an accepted part of the daily life of the majority to become a bizarre and extremist ritual engaged in by only the most marginal and atypical personalities.

            Yes, the last 40 years have seen most people in Europe give up on institutional Christianity. That is not authentic Christianity; nevertheless look at the coincident rise in family breakdown and concomitant misery!

            A Labour government is in the offing. Enjoy the last few weeks of Conservative rule.

            I tohught you didn’t like prophecy? Anyway, this may be as accurate as your calling of the Brexit referendum.

          • bluedog

            Well said.

          • Linus

            Or it may be as accurate as my calling of the Irish referendum.

            In any case, it isn’t a prophecy. Prophecy is strictly for religious nutcases only. Prophecy pretends to be a vision of the future granted to the “seer” by whatever imaginary sky pixie he believes in. It pretends to be infallible.

            My predictions are based on what appears to me to be the most likely outcome of a given set of circumstances. There’s no inevitability about them however, because sometimes the unlikely happens.

            I’m more often right than wrong, which speaks highly of my ability to analyse and understand a situation. But a perfect seer I am not. Nobody can be, given there is no sky pixie beaming infallible visions of a predetermined future into the fevered brains of its deluded followers. All anyone can do is examine the facts and draw conclusions based on how similar facts have influenced events in the past. Those conclusions won’t always be accurate because we often don’t have access to all the information we need to analyse a situation properly. So no pundit can ever predict events with 100% accuracy. And nor would he nor any rational observer expect him to.

            Only religious nutters who believe they’re plugged into an infallible source of truth are stupid enough to issue prophecies. Rational secularists give opinions about the possible course of future events. If your personality type tends towards hysterical mysticism then you’ll put your faith in prophets and seers – like the deluded Christian prophet who wrote that “all these things shall come to pass in this generation”. And even when the prophecy fails to materialize, you’ll find excuses à la Harold Camping and just keep on believing.

            That’s religious delusion for you.

          • Anton

            Without admitting, it you have actually conceded that you make mistakes. That’s progress.

            Harold Camping didn’t know his Bible properly. He predicted the Second Coming would occur in May 2011. A decent Bible study reveals that it will be in the northern autumn (at the Festival of Tabernacles) and will follow a 3.5-year Holocaust encompassing the whole earth. He should have known by 2009 that he was wrong.

      • I see Michael Urquhart Gove is back in the cabinet.

        • Linus

          Urquhart? No! Urquhart had style and panache. He wasn’t Gollum in an M&S suit.

          “We wantsss it my preciousss, the key to Number 10! Theresssa! Thief! We hatesss it, we hatesss it, we hatesss it forever!!!”

          She’d better watch her back. A dagger thrust through a Maybot’s motherboard can short the whole thing out and cause it to go round in circles cackling “strong and stable, strong and stable”.

          Ahhhh! Of course! She must have invited him for dinner during the election campaign…

          • You may think that, but I couldn’t possibly comment.

            I think she will be using Gove’s intellect, is she worthy of it though?

      • Anton

        When you can show an understanding of what the word “antichrist” actually means, we might listen.

        It is nowhere used in scripture to describe a world dictator, for a start.

        • Linus

          Nowhere in my post did I refer to the antichrist as a world dictator. That’s a mere assumption on your part.

          I know from experience how the religious brain likes to categorize and pigeonhole. Memes and stereotypes are its stock in trade.

          I can guess how your thought processes (such as they were) went:

          “Grunt! Evil atheist said antichrist.”

          *sound of gears slowly grinding*

          “Ummm! In atheist-speak antichrist means Voldemort! Grunt! Attack atheist’s biblical ignorance!”

          And so you did, although as always the personal element of the attack was veiled in general terms. That’s your usual modus operandi. Hurl an insult while trying your best to protect yourself from allegations of ad hominem argument. Character assassination by type: atheists ALL believe the antichrist is Voldemort, which is biblically ignorant. Linus is an atheist therefore he’s biblically ignorant. And anyone who’s biblically ignorant is just plain stupid and can be ignored.

          If you need any explanation of why we laugh at your religion, look no further than the arguments you use to support it. If you do quantum physics in the same sloppy way, no wonder you have so much time to post here.

          • Anton

            Fine; please tell us what you did mean by “the antichrist” at the time you posted.

  • platoscave

    So a Gay Brexit is out of the question now with the DUP on board?

  • Inspector General

    It is astonishing that it falls to a taig like the Inspector to pay tribute to the DUP. These people are conservative with the caps lock on. They are conservative without the fat. They are conservative with the yellowing leaves snipped off. They are conservative and heading in a conservative direction.

    Get the idea?

    They are conservative in a way the Conservative party should be, and was, until the metropolitan liberal elite was invited in and that damned Central Office list put into place, flooding Westminster with conservative fakes…

    • Manfarang

      They also want to keep the open border with the Republic i.e. soft Brexit.

    • Hi inspector

      Are you now going round with a bowler hat on and an Orange robe around your chest then?

      • len

        LOl.
        Don`t forget the banner.

      • Inspector General

        Hardly, Hannah. One merely points out they do exactly what is written on the packet.

        • Hi Inspector

          But surely you’d look very fetching in a bowler. Or are you more top hat and tails?

          • Sarky

            Maybe a balaclava??

          • Manfarang

            Don’t forget the Prods like to wave the Star of David, the other lot the Palestinian flag.

    • Linus

      The DUP is not conservative. It’s reactionary. It does not want to stop the clock. It wants to turn the clock back. Preferably to biblical times. Or failing that, to the Reformation. The Scottish Reformation. And more precisely the bit of the Scottish Reformation after Marie Stuart’s fall, when Scotland’s ruler recognised the effective overlordship of England while still enjoying autonomy when it came to internal affairs.

      They’ll toe the English line as long as England leaves them free to burn their own Catholics and other heretics.

      • Inspector General

        It’s not just you. They’re going into meltdown over on PN too…

        [SNIGGER}

      • Chefofsinners

        The election’s losers are crying wolf over this. I’m surprised you are happy to allow your minority to be exploited and manipulated. Whatever your political sympathies, it will ultimately weaken your position.

      • Manfarang

        The Non-subscribing Presbyterians need have no fear.

      • Paul Greenwood

        DUP was wonderful when Gordon Brown asked them to back him in 2010

      • Dreary Steeple

        So

    • Dreary Steeple

      I’am sorry IG but you are not the first catholic to pay tribute to the DUP. The PP in Aghadrumsee Co Fermanagh wrote an article voicing his concern that nationalist parties in NI no longer stood up for their believes.http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/13862242.Priest__Catholics_support_the_DUP/

      • Inspector General

        Tis true, Dreary. Sinn Fein is Marxism with a green shamrock top hat on.

        • Ivan M

          And possibly the world’s biggest hypocrites.

      • James60498 .

        He’s not even the second.

        I said it on here on Friday and was asked in response whether I should take a breath test.

        I had also seen a comment on a somewhat traditional Catholic site a little while ago at an earlier election (perhaps the NI Parliament ) that a reader had voted DUP, although he wasn’t happy about having to do it, but said it was the ONLY option.

        Delighted to see that a Priest said it too.

        • Manfarang

          A few Catholics voted, for Ian Paisley who lived in his North Antrim constituency. Paisley was assiduous MP who would help any constituent who came to him for help. Paisley would ask to smell the breath of any journalist who interviewed him. Only the sober ones could ask him questions.

          • James60498 .

            As I said in my Friday post, I have NI links and have heard similar stories specifically in relation to the help he gave a Convent.

          • Anton

            So he never got interviewed?

          • Manfarang

            Not by those who had drank too much of the devil’s milk.

        • Dreary Steeple

          Strange times indeed. Retired catholic friends of mine living in Co Clare, who both went to university in the sixties are aghast at the way the South has went re gay marriage. They also would vote DUP if living in the North.

  • len

    Is it possible to have a view (even a Christian view) without trying to force everyone else to accept that view?.Or is it only ‘liberals’ who cannot accept anyone elses viewpoint except their own?.
    I ask this in respect of some in society who cannot accept Christians and live in peace with them. Of course this does not include radical Islam as they(as always ) are regarded as ‘a special case’.

    • Manfarang

      The Temple of all Religions, situated at the Ananda Kriya Yogashram, in Watunde, Pune, is a place where any person, irrespective of religious faiths and beliefs can come for Self-Realisation through Yoga.

      • Judas was Paid

        That’s nice

        • Manfarang

          There is another one located in the Russian city of Kazan. The colourful Temple of All Religions, or Universal Temple is a mish-mash of architectural flourishes culled from most of the major world religions to create an uber-complex where all religions can come together in harmony.

  • Inspector General

    Important announcement from the Inspectorate…

    The deadline for ordering gay cake and then using the state to persecute the Christians running the bakery has now passed. Repeat. The deadline has now passed.

    • Manfarang

      But I am ordering Fruit cake.

      • Inspector General

        Cake Act 2017

        “No man shall order a cake from another man that the second mentioned man is not prepared to supply. Be it for whatever reason. It is held that the position of cake in the British constitution is such that said cake be not made sad cake. Or laughing cake. Or disreputable cake. Or outrageous cake. Or Queer cake.”

        • Manfarang

          Barmbrack will do.

    • Dreary Steeple

      We live in hope.

  • Paul Greenwood

    They vote AGAINST The Established Order i.e. EU Government i.e. London Government.
    Cameron could only get elected in 2010 with Lib Dem support. He could only squeeze back in 2015 with a 7% lead and a Referendum Pledge. Economic Policy since 2010 – increasing Nat Debt by 50% yet impoverishing non-bankers in most of the country irritated voters…….and 1% pay cap for 7 years irritates enormously

  • Inspector General

    PN commentators are not comedians. Far from it. But on one story about a tranny standing for Labour in East Worthing and Shoreham and being defeated, one wag came out with “But why doesn’t she identify as the winner”

    • IanCad

      Beautiful!! Wish I had thought of it.

    • Chefofsinners

      You jest, but this is exactly what Jeremy Corbyn is doing.

  • IanCad

    Meanwhile in Pakistan -Taimoor Raza has been sentenced to death for blasphemy. He is a Shia Muslim.

    We send financial aid to that barbaric state; as well, we play cricket with them.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1432276/bahawalpur-court-hands-death-sentence-man-blasphemous-facebook-posts/

    The comments on the story show what we in the West are up against. Sorry to divert the thread. Actually I’m not. Our troubles are as at naught compared to those in some parts of the world.

    • Ivan M

      Anyone posting on Facebook is inviting trouble. A Thai fellow has been jailed for 35 years for insulting the royal family.

      • Manfarang

        Lèse-majesté is a serious criminal offence in Thailand.

        • Ivan M

          True they beat people to death there for insulting their King.

          • Manfarang

            There was the massacre at Thammasat University but that was in 1976.

          • Ivan M

            Yes that is what I recall, though I did not know that it was in a university. I had to be extra circumspect when I was in Thailand some years ago, lest my mouth got me into trouble.

          • Manfarang

            There is always the need for a bit of cultural sensitivity but the greatest wrong is to lose your temper in public, the Thais will pretty much forgive most foreigners any other transgressions. You must be jai yen.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            Interesting. There was a news item on telly, following the Thai government’s clampdown on surrogacy.

            A couple of gay men from America were at (presumably) Krungthep* airport, having learned that they could not take home the baby they had ordered.

            What came over most forcefully was their “angry American” reaction.

            *(Bangkok, for them’s as doesn’t know)

          • Manfarang

            They weren’t at Suvarnabhumi Airport. The woman had refused to give them the baby However the gay couple from the United States won an appeal for parental rights over the baby born through a Thai surrogate mother in a high-profile case that came to light before Thailand banned commercial surrogacy.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            I think we must be referring to two different news items. Mine was definitely about the ban on commercial surrogacy.

            But when I see British news reporters talking down to Asians or Africans, especially ones of high status, my sympathies tend to be with the Asians / Africans.

          • Manfarang

            There was another case which received international publicity involving some Australians which in fact led to the banning of commercial surrogacy. The American case was before the ban and they were able to take custody of the baby.

          • Ivan M

            Much like the Javanese and Japanese who control their aggressive nature through elaborate courtesies.

  • IanCad

    “These are times that try men’s souls”
    Now Theresa may has promoted arch remainer Damian Green as second in command. We are getting shafted. I’m going to have to quit listening to the news. Must take a vacation. May start drinking. Get a boat——.

    • Not good, she is putting self and her own position before country and party, he is her friend, when she should be installing Brexit supporting people and be preparing for the worst for herself.

    • Chefofsinners

      Worse still, she’s felt the need to bring Gove back, and put him in charge of the environment, of all things. He’ll make Trump look like Greenpeace. The polar bears are buggered.
      That boat: you should call it the Mayflee-er.

      • Anton

        Good news. What think ye of climate change?

        • Chefofsinners

          I think man made climate change is probably a thing, but the effect is much smaller than natural variations.

          • David

            My view too – climate has always changed. My knowledge of meteorology has always led me to incline to the view that man-made climate change is a most doubtful theory, and if it exists, its effect is very limited compared to forces like the variability of the sun’s output and other terrestrial based sources of variation in the heat budget of the earth

  • Chefofsinners

    Gove has left Education with an impoverished curriculum, left Justice with appallingly dangerous prisons and is about to completely bugger up what’s left of the environment.
    She must have brought Gove back just to irritate Boris, who said he’s right behind her, but forgot to mention the knife in his hand.

    • Anton

      Gove is a man who gets the sack by his boss whenever it is realised that he is on the cusp of doing something unpopular that might actually make a genuine improvement.

      • Chefofsinners

        No, whenever his idealism has utterly ballsed up lots of people’s lives and he is left looking like an idiot yet again.

        • Anton

          Please Sir, why don’t you like him?

          • Chefofsinners

            There really isn’t time to explain, since I am only expecting to live another fifty years or so.
            However, the heart of the problem is that he is a monumental tosser. Too lazy to comprehend detail, he comes at complex problems with schoolboy solutions, then blames everyone else when it goes tits up. Then there was that most wholesome and edifying leadership bid. Here’s the most telling fact: although he is probably the most physically repulsive man in politics today, no-one ever gets as far as mentioning it.

          • Anton

            I generally take the opinions of women more seriously on that subject. Should I make an exception for you?

          • Chefofsinners

            Male or female, some faces are difficult to look at.
            I guess the real reason I loathe the man is because I’ve met him.

          • Anton

            What a meeting, Wig and Tory.

          • Chefofsinners

            I went in disguise.

    • Hi

      Boris on Twitter “It’s a GOVErnment of all the talents. Welcome back to Michael!”

  • not a machine

    bit puzzled by appointments , so do remainers offer advice or protest ??? however interesting test of who is party mp and understands and wishes for brexit .don’t know , but accept some of apologetic noises were well placed/timed as was attention to problems in governing .So nations future now rests in tango with EU in 8 days time also on same day of queens speech ,but then again I have some questions of my own.other than that its your show

  • Manfarang

    I shall have to gets some macarons from the bakery too.

  • David

    Until Maybe May’s shopping list is officially announced no one will know what could come to pass. Even after the Queen’s speech the uncertain nature of her arrangements will result in very big question marks hovering over the whole rapidly cobbled together shaky deal.
    As an aside I see the Manchester match resulted in aggro ‘tween the coalition of gays, Sikhs and Jamaicans et all and the supporters of Sharia Law. The BBC spun it all as the EDL being “Far Right”. Hoist by their own petard comes to mind. The whole facade of U.K. politics ever more resembles a bizarre display of the godless.

  • CliveM

    Actually being doing some thinking about this and I’m wondering if I have jumped to a few conclusions. The data isn’t out yet, but a couple of things seem to be clear.

    Firstly the GE turnout was better than other recent GE’s. Indeed I think you have to go back to Majors GE Victory to get a similar turnout.

    The Tories got 44% of the popular vote. A better result than Major/Blair/Brown or Cameron were able to achieve.

    So how does this fit in with the narrative of a disastrous campaign, which succeeded in alienating the core vote? The numbers need to be crunched on this but I did read that the youth vote had a turnout of greater than the rest of the population i.e. just over 70%. It is generally assumed to have voted heavily in favour of Corbyn.

    And this seems to be the nub of it. The Conservative vote doesn’t seem to have collapsed (down from an average 47% in early June polls to 44%), but the Labour vote rose substantially, from circa 26% to just over 41%. So maybe my lazy early assumptions are wrong. She didn’t turn off her core vote and perhaps her campaign wasn’t as misconceived as now assumed (although not looking towards her own key marginal has got to have been a mistake).

    What seems to have happened is that Corbyn by publicly backing Brexit, the Labour leaning UKIP voters felt able to return to the fold (ignoring the issue of immigration it would appear), in London the Remainers have wrought something of a revenge by toppling a lot of Tory MP’s and the youth vote has gone, as previously said, for Corbyn.

    The core vote seems to have held (how else would getting 44% of the vote have been achieved?), despite the Dementia Tax fiasco. Not that this is good news in the longer term for the Conservatives. The issue of the Youth Vote will need to be addressed. How this is done is difficult.

    My son’s school ran a GE vote. He voted Lib Dem (oh the shame!). His reasoning was perfectly rational however. He didn’t trust Labour, in his mind he didn’t see where the money was going to come from. He didn’t want to vote for the Tories, because all he can see at his school is Teachers sacked, buildings unrepaired, Curriculum options curtailed and the threat of a shortened week with fewer non-academic activities such as music and sport. So he voted Lib Dem.

    There is a generations of young for whom the lessons of the 1970’s are ancient history and have no relevance for today. Indeed even the Blair and Brown years are receding from memory and the lessons of their years in office forgotten (or more likely never known).

    I don’t see having either 6 month, or five years of weak, unstable Government at a difficult and challenging time for the Country is going to change this for the Tories. I suspect they may soon wish they had lost properly.

    • bluedog

      It’s hard to see Mrs May’s problem. Labour 262, SNP 35, Lib-Dims 12 adds up to 309. Conservatives on 318 plus occasional support from DUP 10 totals 328. Quite why Corbyn thinks he will be PM is a mystery, and Mrs May is not going to call elections until a Labour government results. Barring a disaster such as a string of bye-election losses, the Conservatives will be in power for a while. As Labour backs Brexit, only a complete collapse of Brexit negotiations will improve Corbyn’s chances. In the current political climate, Ukip with 1.9% of the vote and no representation in the Parliament can be dismissed as a political whimsy of no consequence. If Farage wants to keep his seat as an MEP post Brexit, he may need to find a Continental constituency for his salvation. He appears to have connections in both Germany and France.

      • CliveM

        The numbers mean that she will be at the mercy of every malcontent or special interest group within the PLP. I think we can also forgot a ‘Hard Brexit ‘ (whatever it means, I suspect most don’t know ), although personally I’m not bothered by that.

        • Anton

          I think it makes one more likely because there will be chaos in the negotiations and hard Brexit is the default.

          • CliveM

            Frankly I’m going to give up political forecasting, if the last year has told me anything, anything can happen, never mind how outlandish.

        • bluedog

          Both the Conservatives and Labour are Euro-sceptic parties that support Brexit, having a combined vote of 580 in favour. How likely are Labour malcontents to defeat this voting strength?

          • CliveM

            I was thinking Tory malcontents! Personally I believe Labours support of Brexit is simply tactical, to be dumped when its advatageous to do so. It neutralsed an issue for them in the GE, It’s a disposable policy for them.

    • Anton

      Rumours of the demise of the 2-party system have been greatly exaggerated.

      • CliveM

        In England at least. Elsewhere not quite so much.

    • Hi Clive ,

      By my calculations – I have been reading through my election special telegraph of seat by seat results –
      about 400 to 1000 votes in a dozen constituencies, would have given the Conservatives a majority. Quite how conservatives couldn’t hold Kensington and Chelsea , shows how mad this election was.

      • CliveM

        I read somewhere 60 votes in three marginals would have got them a working majority!!

      • CliveM

        I was wondering what the results would have been if the youth turnout had been as per 2015? Ie number of seats won, percentage of vote won etc.

      • IrishNeanderthal

        When I saw that figure, I thought “Hand of God.” And then I thought of Maradona.

  • michaelkx

    Its the USA election reflected over here. the new incumbent was for stopping or curtailing the upwards rise of the Minority’s, you know the ones the politically correct ones, that say we must tell 5 year old about sex, and that perversion is normal. Also anyone who is a minority must have there way over the majority of the population. That is what we will have if we have the Comrade in number 10.