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An illicit blessing ceremony for the transgendered

Goodness! A copy of the proposed ‘New Revised-Revised Post-Synodical Common Purpose Bible’ was delivered by courier yesterday for my Lord the Bishop to peruse before it is presented to Parliament for formal approval. The first chapter, ‘Gendercis’, tells you all you need to know, though if doubt remains the following words, “In the beginning was the Person and the Person was without form, and therefore without Gender”, will confirm all fears. As for ‘Duoanatomy’… well what can one say? My Lord threw it onto the fire, which was entirely appropriate considering where the authors of such nonsense will end up.

However, at the small parish of St. Pederast-in-the-Shrubbery on the outskirts of Barchester, we learn that the incumbent, Rev’d Dr. Hardfast-Throbbing, has taken it upon himself to perform a blessing ceremony for those who go a-transgendering, which will no doubt see him before the Court of Arches ‘ere long. According to Mr. Slope (who went to spy) the ‘blessee’ enters the porch of the church dressed in the attire of the gender they wish to shed, whilst the choir sing the anthem, ‘O have I rendered my garments and donned those more appropriate to how I’m feeling at the moment’, (arr. Elton John, 2017). An acolyte then clothes the blessee as they so desire and leads them before the altar, pausing a moment to bow before the statue of Father Tiresias. The celebrant then says:

“That which thou once was, is no longer. That which thou sleekest is granted unto thee. Yea, the first cut is the deepest, but no pain no gain, innit” (Alternative Service Z, Book of Common Purpose).

The blessee then genuflects, wipes themselves with a tissue, and declares which gender they intend to be for the year ahead.

“Let those that hate be hated in turn. Yea verily I say unto you, mock not the Lord’s transgendered, spurn them not, lest a twitterstorm of dung fall upon thee. For the Self-Righteous hath seized the moral high ground, from whence they spit down upon unbelievers and denounce their hate-think. Let us bend over backwards to embrace diversity as the light shines forth out of us.”

The choir then sing, ‘O Jeremy, Jeremy Corbyn’ to the tune of Crimond.

The celebrant then declares, in the name of the Church, that the Mystery of Glorious Transgenderisation has occurred, and the congregation, having rended their own garments in an act of unity, all embrace whilst the churchwardens stand by with buckets of water in case passions become enflamed.

We live in strange times.

The Prime Minister is personally supportive of such goings-on but declares it is a matter for the Church as a whole to adopt them or not. My Lord the Bishop thinks (and I agree with him) this has no place in his diocese and has decided to defrock the errant incumbent forthwith. The Archdeacon has offered to do the unfrocking himself, provided he can wear a pair of marigold dipped in Swarfega.

Mr. Harding is currently dealing with rumblings at Hiram’s Hospital. The old gentlemen discovered how much the Bolshevik Broadcasting Company pay their electric magic lantern performers and so the disquiet about emoluments – chronicled so well by Mr. Trollope in his most excellent book – has resurfaced. I am not altogether surprised. The news that Mr. Vine is paid thousands of pounds to be a hand-waving gibbering idiot, or that Mr. Lineker has amassed a fortune for describing football games (aka the blindingly obvious), is frankly an obscenity. One admits that once upon a time, bishops were paid huge sums even when they never set foot in their dioceses, but since the publication of the ‘Extraordinary Black Book’ in 1831 such ecclesiastical excesses have been curtailed by Parliament. I am in favour of such economy and frugality: Anglican bishops are not Roman princes and should cut their cloth accordingly, with any surplus revenue spent to alleviate the poor. I believe Mr. Lineker is a socialist, which explains a lot. He alleviates nothing.

I read in The Jupiter that First Lady Melania Trumpetski caused shrieking and wailing amongst the Parisian demi-Globalmondaine by requesting a visit to Notre Dame Cathedral instead of the now customary mosque. Accusations of Islamophobia were quick off the starting blocks, but this is of course nonsense. The First Lady is a devout Roman Catholic, and Notre Dame is a jewel of medieval architecture as well as a symbol of France. Alas, the fabric is in a ruinous state as the French government have neglected to provide proper funding for restoration work. Perhaps it will be tarted up for the new emperor’s coronation. After all, he married one of the gargoyles.

Eh bien, mes amis, like Madame Defage I have my knitting to finish. I promised to provide Mr. Slope with a new pair of combinations: these will be sans flap, in an effort to curtail his nocturnal activities. After that there is Evensong, at which we get to hear Mr. Harding’s new setting for the Malleus Maleficarum, dedicated to Anna Soubry. I shall give a full report anon. Until then, as the Pandora’s Box of neo-liberalism spews forth the gremlins of diversity and the fly-swatter of common sense is prohibited as a far-right hate-weapon, I bid you adieu.

  • Chefofsinners

    Masterful, Mrs Proudie. The guffaws still echo around my cell.
    No doubt the books of Gendercis and Duoanatomy will be swiftly followed by Exodus.

    • betteroffoutofit

      “swiftly followed by Exodus.” I fear NoExitus” may be closer the mark. Last time I checked Wikipedia on “Moses”, btw, they claimed present-day scholarly consensus to be that Moses never existed and that there’s no evidence for Exodus (I can only presume: “Round the decay/ Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,/The lone and level sands stretch far away”). ‘Look on Ozymoderns’ works, and despair’ (pace PBShelley).

      • Chefofsinners

        Hmm
        No evidence for the Exodus except of course the book of Exodus. And the odd psalm. And the existence of the Jewish people. These would be the scholars who have consistently insisted that nothing in the bible ever existed but have been repeatedly proved wrong by archaeology.

        • Sarky

          While biblical archaeology is severely limited in its ability to prove the truthfulness of the whole Bible, it’s a valuable resource that has allowed us to see with greater clarity the world as it was when God spoke to man.

          • Chefofsinners

            Exactly so. Yet self styled ‘scholars’ are more than happy to argue:
            “I cannot find archaeological evidence for events described in the bible therefore the bible’s historical and spiritual claims are false.”

          • Sarky

            Thats not what he says. He is saying “we know how these people lived”, but draws a massive line about saying that archaeology proves the bible, which is what you are insinuating.

          • Chefofsinners

            I think you have misunderstood my point. It is simply that made in 1st Corinthians 1:20 “Where is the wise person? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? God has turned the wisdom of the world into nonsense, hasn’t he?”

          • Sarky

            Arh right, so anything that doesnt agree with your world view is foolishness.
            I would call it progress.

          • Chefofsinners

            Yes, anything that disagrees with the Christian world view is by definition foolishness. Godless thinking, divorced from his infinite, is bound to lead to error. Read all about it in 1 Corinthians chapter 2.

          • Sarky

            Ok, so if god asked you to kill your child, would you?

          • Chefofsinners

            A hypothetical question, because God has given his own son for me. However, I would hope that, like Abraham when asked, I would have the faith to trust him.

          • Sarky

            An honest answer, but the only one you could really give.
            To answer otherwise would show that you could not believe in the god of the bible.
            I still find it staggering that you could believe in a so called loving god who would ask that of his followers.

          • Chefofsinners

            God did not ask it of his followers. Child sacrifice characterised the tribes of Canaan, who the Israelites displaced.
            The only person God ever asked child sacrifice of was Himself.

          • Sarky

            And abraham.

  • michaelkx

    I can only eco Chefofsiners Madam, Masterful , and true. I bet you are a list somewhere in the offices of pink news, and the office of the thought police. Like myself.

  • bluedog

    ‘After all, he married one of the gargoyles.’

    Ouch! But then one old man thought she looked in great shape and declared her ‘beautiful’. What a diplomat!

    • Linus

      What’s really interesting about the old termagant’s remark is double standard it reveals on this blog.

      If I make a personal remark about someone, I get shouted down for “ad hominem” argument.

      If the old slapper pretending to be a Trollopian anti-heroine does it, she’s a defender of the faith.

      One of the best things about this blog is the way it mercilessly exposes Christians for who they really are. What better advertisement for secularism could there be?

      • Inspector General

        You’ve been ingesting bacteria normally found in the lower bowel again, haven’t you…

        • Linus

          Ingesting you?

          Now wouldn’t that be suicidal behaviour?

          Is there a more poisonous substance known to man? I doubt it.

      • Royinsouthwest

        Mrs Proudie is joking. What are you doing? You don’t have to like her jokes if you don’t want to.

        • Linus

          La Proudie’s plagiaristic humour is deeply unfunny, but whether I like it or not makes no difference to its evil intent.

      • bluedog

        ‘What better advertisement for secularism could there be?’

        Your comment proves that at least one secularist doesn’t understand what is meant by ‘ad hominem’. Which probably explains why secularists everywhere try to shut down freedom of speech with carefully crafted blasphemy laws. Can’t have the competition of ideas when yours are indefensible, can we?

      • Anton

        When His Grace offers you a weekly column then you will have carte blanche to get personal. Until then, be grateful for your place among those permitted to comment – especially after your words about the disabled.

        • Linus

          The only reason I’m tolerated here is because the fake archbishop prides himself on his respect for freedom of speech.

          He’s painted himself into a corner using his own vanity as the brush. The paint stinks of Christian martyrdom. A bitter stench but as he thinks it makes him smell all the sweeter, what can I do except shrug my shoulders, hold my nose and waft the reek over anyone who comes near? They’ll soon scuttle off yelping at the pong, unless they too like sniffing noxious and malodorous substances.

          What is it about Christianity that so seriously deranges the sense of smell?

          • Chefofsinners

            What an excellent opportunity to quote scripture:
            “Thanks be to God, who always leads us as captives in Christ’s triumphal procession and uses us to spread the aroma of the knowledge of him everywhere. For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. To the one we are an aroma that brings death; to the other, an aroma that brings life.” 2 Cor. 2: 14-16

          • betteroffoutofit

            Thanks, Chef. And – since one theme today is “re-writes” of the Bible:

            14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place
            15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
            16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? [King James Version (KJV)]

            My Douay-Rheims gives:
            14 Now thanks be to God, who always maketh us to triumph in Christ Jesus, and manifesteth the odour of his knowledge by us in every place.
            15 For we are the good odour of Christ unto God, in them that are saved, and in them that perish.
            16 To the one indeed the odour of death unto death: but to the others the odour of life unto life. And for these things who is so sufficient?
            Footnote to v. 16 = The odour of death, &c., offers the following as clarification: “The preaching of the apostle, which, by its fragrant odour, brought many to life, was to others, through their own fault, the occasion of death; by their wilfully opposing and resisting that divine call.”

            Wycliffe – according to Bible Gateway, suggests both “odour” and “savour.”

          • Sarky

            An aroma that brings death….brut??

          • Chefofsinners

            Et tu Sarke?

          • Grouchy Jack

            We feel pity for you. That’s why you’re tolerated here. We feel your pain, Linus. We really do.

          • Cressida de Nova

            HG believes Linus visits this blog in search of truth and salvation.

            Linus thinks he is allowed here because of HG’s policiy on freedom of speech.
            HG is instructing his flock to show love to Linus so he will eventually see the light and find the truth in Christianity /Protestant style.
            LInus has already had a Catholic education and rejects it completely
            You don’t have to feel his pain. The Protestants have to feel his pain:)

          • Happy Jack will inform Grouchy of this when next he encounters him.

          • bluedog

            ‘HG is instructing his flock to show love to Linus so he will eventually see the light and find the truth in Christianity /Protestant style.’

            Linus would seem to be uniquely qualified to become the next Archbishop of Canterbury. He’s French and opposes Brexit on the basis it threatens the EU, he doesn’t believe in God, but is fluent in English and he’s gay. As a confirmed misogynist he would be a vicious critic of Mrs May from his seat in the House of Lords, a chamber which opposes Brexit. Tories who believe Mrs May is finished would be enthralled by his attacks. A round peg in a round hole if ever there was one.

      • Chefofsinners

        Yes, once again your gracious and loving manner shames us all. How the sinful soul squirms in the searching beam of your infinite perfection.

        • Linus

          That’s right: demand of someone you consider to be an unregenerate pagan soul standards that you don’t require of yourself or your own Christian brethren.

          Hypocrisy, thy name is chefofsinners. If your sky pixie exists then he must be busy barring the doors of heaven against you. I won’t get in, sure. But neither will you. And then I’ll have all eternity to laugh at you as you burn.

          Pity hell is no more than just another deluded Christian fantasy. Otherwise I’d almost be looking forward to it. I mean, if I have to burn, having the distraction of watching the king of hypocrites shriek in outrage as he suffers so much more than me from the disappointment of fondly cherished hopes will ameliorate my suffering considerably.

          • Chefofsinners

            Glad to be a comfort to you, old top.
            Did you say ‘burn’ or ‘bum’? My eyes are not what they were.

          • Linus

            What happens to you in your sky pixie’s punishment furnace will, one can only imagine, be based on what you find particularly painful and unpleasant.

            Most people don’t like to burn, so hell is commonly referred to as a place where people burn. But if you don’t like to be “bummed”, I should think that an eternity of being raped by an army of demons equipped with all sorts of sharp and unpleasant objects will probably await you.

            Hope you’re looking forward to it. Indeed I suspect you probably are…

          • Chefofsinners

            Ah, one man’s heaven is another man’s hell.
            Happily, I have taken evasive action. You really should consider it.

          • Linus

            I see. So the sky pixie isn’t smart enough to outmanœuvre you. You can sin at will, never repent, and he’ll still let you into his paradise because you’ve got it all figured out and are way smarter than him.

            Why am I not surprised at your attitude? You invented him, so of course you think he can never act against you.

            True Christianity in action. The sky pixie winks at all of your sins but viciously punishes everyone else.

          • Chefofsinners

            You appear to think that a God you don’t believe in has appointed you as both the arbiter of his moral standards and the authority to whom repentance and confession should be made.
            One can’t help feeling that you must have received a rather poor education. Or that a good education was wasted on you.

          • Linus

            In other words, anyone who dares to hold you to the standards you claim to believe in is an ignorant git, eh?

            Keep digging yourself deeper into that hole of hypocrisy. It’s actually quite fascinating to see how low you can go.

          • Chefofsinners

            Be specific, accuser. What is my sin and how do know I have not repented?

          • Linus

            I don’t know how I could be more specific.

            You are guilty of the sin of bearing false witness and have neither retracted your accusations, nor apologised for them. That, as far as I’m aware, makes for a lack of repentance.

            In effect you think that because I, as a non-believer, attack and accuse you, this gives you the right to do the same to me. An eye for an eye, and all that sort of thing. But this is not how Christ defined what constitutes a truly Christian attitude. True Christians turn the other cheek and respond to attacks with love.

            Your hypocrisy in pretending to be a Christian while disengaging yourself from the obligations of that faith marks you out as exactly the kind of person of whom the anonymous author(s) who created the character of Christ wrote “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

            I accuse you of being exactly that kind of “Christian”. You talk the talk but do not walk the walk. And then you think that the expression of a few regrets in the prayers you mumble out of a sense of obligation (because praying is what Christians do, right?) will pay off your debt and open the gates of heaven to you.

            It’s clear to me that if such a location as heaven exists, there is no place for you in it. Not as you are. A few insincere and fleeting regrets about the lies you tell do not add up to repentance and atonement. They merely serve to persuade you that you’re ticking all the boxes you need to tick in order to buy your place in paradise.

          • chiefofsinners

            What did I say that was ‘bearing false witness’?
            To attack and accuse evil is not a sin.
            So what have I done? Upset you, it would appear. Never mind, you’ll get over it.

          • Anton

            You’ve been looking at too much Hieronymus Bosch.

          • Inspector General

            It’s tempting to suggest that Hell may actually be an improvement to your lot. It’s not as if the daily torment of you realising you are awake is lost on us…

          • Orthnophobe.

        • David

          Pure genius !

      • IrishNeanderthal

        Since my literary interests are rather thinly spread over six continents (I haven’t touched Antarctica yet), I had to look up what sort of woman the original Mrs Proudie is.

        According to Wikipedia, she is a “ A proud, vulgar, domineering wife”. So surely the satire here is authentic and what one would expect when referring to a would-be nouveau Napoléon?

        • I don’t think he is, she agrees with him a lot, I get a picture of them being in tune with each other, a rather good team. I think she’s got her standards and rightly so.

  • SonoView

    I am fearful for you Mrs. Proudie. You are clearly a heretic in that you dissent from the whole-scale adoption of the values of the liberati by the synod (which of course accurately reflects the views of the whole of Christendom). I can already smell the smoke arising from the pyre where soon you will, no doubt, be “staked out”.

    • Shadrach Fire

      The crowds called for the crucifixion of Jesus.

    • With faggots at her feet.

  • Anton

    Malleus Maleficarum in Latin or in English? Witch language, Mrs Proudie?

  • Shadrach Fire

    Dear Mrs Proudie,
    The manner in which you so indelicately pour scorn on the self righteous hoards who listen to the bay of the evil one is quite endearing. For a moment I thought we had lost you when the ‘Good News Day’ popped up bu I am delighted to see that you are hanging in there and amusing us with your wit and charm.

    • Intonsus

      I think you mean ‘hordes’

      • Chefofsinners

        Shouldn’t there be a full stop at the end of that sentence?

        • Intonsus

          Yes.

      • RobinHMasters

        I’ve always seen it spelled ‘whores’.

  • Intonsus

    Mrs Proudie, you appear to have confused “to rend” with “to render”. “Rendered” for “rent”?

    • len

      Mrs Proudie is never confused .How dare you sir.

      • Intonsus

        No doubt her secretary made the error when transcribing the shorthand.

  • len

    ‘New Revised-Revised Post-Synodical Common Purpose Bible’ Hmmmmm.

    What an interesting prospect Mrs Proudie.
    A Bible… where religious stuff can be put in and altered on the whim of a ‘governing Body’.
    This would created a truly ‘Universal Church’ were all could come and create their own’ christian’ religion in a mix and match fashion.Atheists would like to come and watch if this Church could put on a good show to keep them entertained? Dressing up etc?.
    If there is something you don`t like remove it from this Bible, and paste things in that you like the sound of, and this might also encourage donations to make this Church grow and become appealing to the masses.
    I think you have hit on a winner here Mrs Proudie.

    • Sarky

      Its already been done….Council of Nicaea.

      • len

        Damn.

      • Jonathan

        The Council of Nicaea decided no canon, discussed no canon, “added” nothing to the bible, “took away” nothing from the bible. The claims they were are entirely fabricated.

        • Chefofsinners

          It was a no canon do.

    • David

      You’ve unwittingly just described the Episcopalians of the US and Canada. It’s now a Gaia, multi-culti quasi ‘Christian Church’ of sorts with a rapidly declining membership, but oh so very inclusive and affirming to all behaviours. Bishop Spong, now retired, was one of its infamous ultra-liberal leaders, who you may have encountered in the literature.
      The traditionalist split off some years ago to form The Anglican Church of North America, which is now growing gently.

  • Here’s an idea, Mrs P. Let’s identify ourselves as QTBGL’s i.e. “Quietly Totally Believing God’s Law”.

    “[T]he Church needs to do a better job ministering to the QTBGL … We are marginalized, unjustly discriminated against, and regularly face demeaning “orthophobia” (irrational hate for, and fear of, right-thinking Christians) …

    The level of orthophobia is getting worse, in fact. Within the Church, we are called “haters” and “bigots” simply for accepting and affirming what the Church actually teaches us about liturgy, justice, virtue, and, of course, the human person and sexuality (natural law). Outside the Church, orthophobes everywhere are trying to curtail our religious liberty, take away our conscience rights, and subject us to ridicule and hate simply because of who we really are.”

    QTBGL’s everywhere it’s time to come out of the closet. Let’s drop the Q. Many TBGL’s really feel we were born this way. We have no choice. Even in the face of vile orthophobic animosity and outright discrimination we know we are being true to ourselves.

    http://www.crisismagazine.com/2017/orthophobia-marginalized-qtbgl-catholic

    • Well said HJ.
      It’s funny you know, when asked what they were marching and protesting for, the various LGBTQWERTY’s didn’t have a clue. They said it’s now just an excuse to get drunk and make a mess.

    • David

      Very good Jack.
      You have my support.

    • Chefofsinners

      Up the revolution!
      I wasn’t born this way but I was born again this way.
      Any chance of banning those unethical practitioners who are trying to turn me?

      • Perhaps Synod would consider this request next year. A demo needs organising with signs depicting our victimisation and leaflets presenting our heart rendering tales of exclusion and bullying.

  • David

    Good evening Mrs Proudie. Once again your column gives us food for thought for the weekend. Thank you indeed.
    “The Prime Minister is personally supportive of such goings-on…”
    The Prime Minister is a calculating politician, first, second, third and indeed completely. Although not particularly adept at her calculations, she nevertheless attempts to cultivate an image of being a C of E attending, respectable middle-England type, all in a failing effort to win political capital and support. I find her quite underwhelming, both as a politician and woman of God, for indeed as both a conservative and Christian I can see only a confused heretic.

  • Inspector General

    Looking eagerly forward (if that is an acceptable sentiment for what one is about to say) your Inspector wonders how many of Cranmer’s CoE adherents as at now will remain so at the time of their final breath. You see, when a Christian church defies God’s truth, as revealed by Christ, and only listens to those who whine the loudest and pitifully at that, and that includes wishing to make our mentally ill trannys feel better, then there must come a time when you must pack your bags and walk away…

    • bluedog

      …. to an elevated plane of consciousness in the sphere of Higher Understanding, wouldn’t you suggest Inspector?

      • Inspector General

        The Higher Understanding does take into account each individual’s mental capacity, dear Bluedog. We find today that the struggling young cover themselves in tattoos, which they will regret as they mature. Other fellows think they will be better off as someone else. They ‘change’ sex. Perhaps the most astonishing product of a consumer society where you can have or be whatever you want. And that beats gastric band types too weak to keep their weight down.

        Lesser examples of man are so pathetic as creatures, don’t you think…

        • You see Inspector we have lost our way. If people still had faith in the Lord, they’d be guided and more inspired to try harder to beat gluttony.

        • Hi Inspector

          I may have asked this before :

          What is this “higher understanding”??

          • Inspector General

            Hannah. The Higher Understanding takes as its starting point that God is of logic, and not the personalised terror found in the OT. It sees the story of Adam and Eve as just that. A story. Not even an analogy. Further, the Higher Understanding seeks to remove the cold dead fingers of lesser men who have over the centuries put their superstitious bindings on something that has always been open to question and always will be – the creation we dwell in.

          • Hi

            Thanks for letting me know!

          • Anton

            It is the set of criteria by which the Inspector takes scissors to the Tanakh and the New Testament. He does not seem to realise that the scriptures judge him, not vice-versa.

        • IrishNeanderthal

          Tattoos were particularly hated by the foundational modernist architect Adolf Loos, who decried them in his lecture Ornament and Crime. However,

          In 1928 Loos was disgraced by a pedophilia scandal in Vienna. He had commissioned young girls aged 8 to 10, from poor families to act as models in his studio. The indictment stated that Loos had exposed himself and forced his young models to participate in sexual acts. He was found partially guilty in a court decision of 1928. In 2008 the original case record was rediscovered and confirmed the accusation.

          Higher thoughts may often be accompanied by baser behaviour.

          • Inspector General

            You dare associate the Higher Understanding with child abuse? Are you mad, sir?

  • David

    I saw the new film ‘Dunkirk’ yesterday. It is a very good production. I didn’t spot any historical or technical inaccuracies. It brings out the sacrifice made by the young of our country during that epic struggle.
    But the real “Miracle of Dunkirk”, as Churchill rightfully described it was of course not shown. Indeed it has been ignored by an apostate nation for decades now. With the army trapped near the beaches Churchill, the Parliament and the King knew instinctively that only a direct intervention from God could save us. So the King spoke on radio urging everyone to pray to God for delivery. The whole of Parliament, both Houses, processed to Westminster Cathedral, led by the King and Queen and prayed for delivery. Then the whole nation prayed. The A of C (we had proper ones then) told everyone to wait for a change. A strange calm settled over the Channel allowing the little boats to cross safely whilst an unusually heavy rain storm fell on the German lines. Their tanks, heavy armour and long range artillery were bogged down. This gave us the vital time to ferry our men, and some of the brave French, to freedom on our island home – to live to fight again !
    A nation can only prosper if it submits itself to God.

    • IanCad

      Good post David. The French, so often cruelly maligned, are owed much by us for their heroic sacrifices, without which, our lads would have been captured almost to a man.

      • Anton

        I don’t presume to judge how well the French private fought in 1940, but his leadership was absolutely incompetent.

        • Bob of Bonsall

          Incompetent? Or merely terrified by recent memories of Verdun?

          • Anton

            Do you know that the French High Command was at a chateau without radio contact when the German invasion began?

          • Merchantman

            Yes and thereafter they tactically retreated from chateau to chateau as the Germans approached.

          • CliveM

            They didn’t even have a phone line.

            French soldiers are as brave or cowardly as any. But if you’re badly led, you have little chance

          • David Harkness

            Clive, have you read Len Deighton’s ‘Blitzkrieg’? The author does a fantastic comparison of the leadership of the two opposing forces. ROmmel in a half track yards from the front, the French high command 60 miles away, dependant on old fashioned comms. The French commanders were Iirc in their 70s and even 80s, the Germans in their 40s and 50s. Incidentally Dunkirk was a miracle, but was preceded by some equally miraculous decisions. When the Belgians packed it in and opened up a gap on the BEFs flank, Gort, wholly out of character and against ordersretreated back towards the coast, rather than try and push south to join the French. Had he not, we might live in a very different world today.

          • CliveM

            I’m afraid I haven’t. It was a miracle the army got away. It was a scandal that the allied forces allowed things to get so bad.

            The leadership was a disgrace.

        • IanCad

          Certainly they were incompetent when faced with the new German tactics and machinery.
          Same old story; military leadership is always re-fighting the last war.
          That’s why we’re wasting billions on our new aircraft carrier – HMS Sitting Duck.

          • Anton

            How much do you actually know about how a carrier always sails amidst a flotilla which comprises successive waves of defence and counter-offence?

          • IanCad

            True Anton; the same battle tactics used by carrier battle groups since WW2 and totally outdated in the modern era. Hi speed subs, hyper kinetic weaponry, multi headed fake missiles to exhaust Aegis systems – the list goes on.
            A quick ticket to Davy Jones for the poor young sailors aboard.

          • Merchantman

            That is assuming the enemy gets close enough to launch mass attacks.

          • IanCad

            Mass attacks unnecessary, a torpedo from an old diesel sub will do the trick:

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

            And, if you still have a touching faith in the competency of the world’s premier naval force – hit this:

            http://www.npr.org/2017/06/19/533432845/how-could-the-navy-destroyer-collision-happen

          • bluedog

            Radar controlled collision!

            Agree your concerns regarding the new carriers. With just 6 Darings and 13 Dukes, the RN has nothing like the redundancy needed to provide an escort screen to a carrier task force as well as much needed convoys. If you look at the armament of Charles de Gaulle, the French are not taking the same risks and have installed the Aster missile system used by the Darings. Here’s betting that if they survive until the first refit, the new carriers will be retro-fitted with Aster or similar.

          • IanCad

            What makes the collision even worse is that the US destroyer was the burdened vessel.
            With the obsolescence of the F-35 in the face of unmanned aircraft and the silliness of our only AC being equipped with helicopters, the old saw – military intelligence is the definitive oxymoron – is proven.

          • bluedog

            Every military aircraft is obsolescent once in service. We don’t get many performance numbers on the F35B, but it is supposed to be a significant advance on the Sea Harrier. If the RN are going to get serious about defending the new carriers they will need to re-introduce the tactical nuclear weapons (W177) carried by certain British warships in the 60s and 70s.

          • CliveM

            “Every military aircraft is obsolescent once in service.”

            Define obsolete, because even aircraft as old as the F-16 are still capable pieces of kit.

            “If the RN are going to get serious about defending the new carriers they will need to re-introduce the tactical nuclear weapons (W177) carried by certain British warships in the 60s and 70”

            Just what additional protection do you think they would add against modern anti ship missile systems?

          • bluedog

            Define the difference between obsolescence and obsolete. You’ve changed the terms of the debate.

            ‘Just what additional protection do you think they would add against modern anti ship missile systems?’

            None at all. But if you think attack will lead to instant vaporisation of your task force, you may hesitate.

          • CliveM

            Ok you’ll need to define what you mean, because I don’t get it.

            If the risk of being destroyed was a deterrent, there would be no wars.

            If carriers were such easy targets, why not take the risk? Surely you’d have disabled its systems with the missile? Otherwise what are the options? You’d have to give the carrier a free pass.

          • bluedog

            The point being made is that once any weapons system is put into service, both its countervailing system, and its own superior replacement, are already being designed and planned. Ergo, any weapon system (or aircraft) in service is obsolescent, but not necessarily obsolete.

            ‘If the risk of being destroyed was a deterrent, there would be no wars.’ There has not been a world war since the introduction of nuclear weapons.

            ‘If carriers were such easy targets, why not take the risk? Surely you’d have disabled its systems with the missile? Otherwise what are the options? You’d have to give the carrier a free pass.’

            What does this mean?

            One can only make some obvious points. Two very large ships represent a lot of eggs in just two baskets. Yet every leading nation continues to build aircraft carriers, and they seem to be the ultimate national virility symbol.

          • CliveM

            If that what you mean it applies to all military equipment. The arms race has being going on since someone was first hit over the head with a stick.

            What I meant was

          • bluedog

            It’s a question of degree. Every weapon yet devised has been used, including nukes. None of the established nuclear powers has used nuclear weapons since 1945. But it’s impossible to believe that they will never be used again, particularly by a Muslim power.

          • IanCad

            Let me suggest that obsolescence is best defined when the purpose of a weapons system is changed; either by technology or by necessity.

            To use the AC as an example. Originally designed as the ultimate offensive weapon it rapidly morphed into a system where the greatest expense in its construction became solving the problem of keeping it afloat.

            The A-10 is an ancient plane built for a purpose that is still of value today. The F-35 is already a grossly overpriced white elephant:

            http://wolfstreet.com/2015/04/21/f35-jet-that-ate-the-pentagon-concurrent-development/

          • bluedog

            Your point is well made and covered by bluedog’s law of gigantism. This states that when any human devised system depends on ever-increasing size to obtain efficiencies, a smaller and cheaper replacement is almost certainly at hand.

            Applying this principle to the aircraft carrier means that investment in expendable missile firing drones controlled by nerds in air-conditioned bunkers could well prove decisive. But there is an old tension between the concepts of sea-control and sea-denial. As yet, the aircraft carrier is undefeated as the final arbiter of sea-control, but cheap and effective weapons are becoming available that push the cost of sea-control to unaffordable levels. The trick will be to devise a surface combatant vessel that can prevail and assert sea-control in an environment where there is a blizzard of missiles that threaten absolute sea-denial.

          • IanCad

            Sea-control will be an entirely new game if the super-cavitation sub becomes reality.

            I’m sure China isn’t the only country working on it:

            https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/188752-chinas-supersonic-submarine-which-could-go-from-shanghai-to-san-francisco-in-100-minutes-creeps-ever-closer-to-reality

          • bluedog

            Interesting article!

          • Anton

            It is true that the military is often fighting the last war, and the most recently that I updated myself on this subject was Admiral Woodward’s compelling Falklands memoirs (“100 Days”), but you are assuming that we simply haven’t thought of or developed any counter-measures and I suggest that neither of us knows.

          • Inspector General

            Both are surprisingly low tech. If a missile does punch its way through, the ship is not crippled. Think of them as mere sea going landing strips….

          • IanCad

            A carrier hit by a modern missile Will be disabled. Don’t believe the promoters of government waste.

      • David

        I agree with you, Ian. The French provide good, brave soldiers. Like us their political leadership, having gone global, is selling them out – horrible lot !
        Vive Le Pen !

    • HedgehogFive

      This is rather alarming, by Daniel Hannan in the Telgraph:

      Russia may criticise Dunkirk, but at least Britain wasn’t effectively allied with Hitler at the time

      The Russian Embassy posed this Twiiter questionnaire:

      “Dunkirk was caused by the appeasement, opposed by Churchill. Phoney War was its last stage. What is your view of it?

      – wait 4Hitler 2 invade USSR

      – no idea of alt/regime 4DE

      – elite mad over bolshevism

      – never heard of it”

      Rather tendentious, don’t you think?

    • Linus

      Brave Sir Winston ran away.
      (“No!”)
      Bravely ran away away.
      (“I didn’t!”)
      When danger reared it’s ugly head,
      He bravely turned his tail and fled.
      (“I never!”)
      Yes, brave Sir Winston turned about
      And gallantly he chickened out.
      (“You’re lying!”)
      Swiftly taking to his feet,
      He beat a very brave retreat.
      Bravest of the brave, Sir Winston!

    • Watchman

      There seems to be a current trend to denegrate Churchill and make him a lesser man. The film “Churchill” showed him as anxious, difficult and obstructive to The invasion of Europe. And this from the BBC History website:
      According to an American cabinet minister: ‘The President said that he supposed that Churchill was the best man that England had, even if he was drunk half of his time. Apparently Churchill was very unreliable under the influence of drink.’
      I see all this as an attempt to rewrite history for a generation that had no received narrative from those directly involved.

  • David

    If his Grace may permit me a digression, I was sent this statement form Ukip, which setting aside that party’s undoubted loss of direction after Nigel Farage’s departure, does make a good point. I quote :-

    “We now have a political system in which the choice is between a revolutionary Marxist Party and a Centre-Left Conservative Party which is soft on immigration, soft on law and order, and believes that the concept of ‘men’ and ‘women’ is a voluntary construct. ”

    The article moves around the point that the Conservatives are philosophically indistinguishable from the other left wing parties represented in Westminster.
    I believe that in essence the point is correct. The only difference now between the established parties is the degree of emphasis that they place on destroying the traditional models for our society.

    • Chefofsinners

      They might have added that the national church is indistinguishable from the political parties.

      • Judas was Paid

        Not only the National Church. There is a common purpose that to varying degrees taints the lot of them.

      • David

        At senior level, yes !
        But at the local church level there a few orthodox churches left, where the full gospel is still being preached and heard – as with ‘my” sermon just two hours ago.

    • bluedog

      Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, it seems that even during the Brexit campaign and with Farage at the height of his influence, Ukip was unable to win a single seat at Westminster. Carswell’s seat doesn’t count, it was a BYO effort. Now that Farage has realised that once you resign there is no way back when your party has no Westminster representation, and Nuttall has realised he’s not up to the job, one has to ask whether Ukip has the political talent to survive. The indications are that it does not.

      If social decay is to be arrested, it will be because a group of talented and motivated individuals take control of one of two viable political franchises, namely Conservative or Labour.

      As things stand, if Theresa May falls it is not too hard to imagine a bye-election in Maidenhead. In that event, this writer believes that David Cameron would very likely be selected as the Conservative candidate. In short, it is not impossible that Cameron could once again be PM at some time within the next year. A horrific prospect.

      • Anton

        UKIP and Nige will be back with a bang if Brexit looks like stalling.

        • bluedog

          Even before Brexit, Ukip was unable to challenge the Lib-Dims in the Parliament. Without any leadership at all, Ukip’s electoral support will completely collapse. It seems highly unlikely that Farage will be taken seriously by the electorate if he deigns to return to the party. Will Aaron Banks continue to give finance?

          • Anton

            UKIP is a single issue party that won, and that is why it is dying. Why so many people don’t get that this is good news is a mystery to me. If its cause starts to look like it isn’t won any more, you can bet that life will be breathed into the corpse.

      • David

        Your point being, what exactly ?
        Your final paragraph opposes your second one – ugghh ?

        • bluedog

          ‘Your point being, what exactly ?’

          Ukip has become a political irrelevance, why continue to flog the dead horse?

          ‘Your final paragraph opposes your second one – ugghh ?’

          Ugghh. You didn’t read the post, did you?

  • Chefofsinners
    • bluedog

      When’s it due?

  • Judas was Paid

    Hilariously funnicles and most rewarding of the spectacles usage. I larfed with loudlish voluminosityness.

  • OC Redux

    Wonderful Mrs Proudie. One of your finest. although the lunatics running to country do provide you with such rich raw material.

  • Inspector General

    Do follow Cranmer’s tweets today, fellows…He’s picked up on “Consultation on changing legal gender to be launched”

    One has read of a policeman in the Met area who apparently has two sets of uniform. You see, some days they identifies as a man, and some days they identifies as a woman. And yes. ‘they’ is the objective of choice these cases wish for us to use when referring to them.

    Perhaps the BBC can offer to put ‘them’ on their payroll…

    For militant gays take on this essential government initiative, here you go…
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/07/23/review-of-gender-recognition-laws-announced-after-calls-from-jeremy-corbyn/comments/#disqus_thread

    • bluedog

      ‘You see, some days they identifies as a man, and some days they identifies as a woman.’

      Adds to the authenticity of under-cover work.

    • Jack learned an important new term today, TERF:

      Trans-exclusionary radical feminism (TERF) is a subgroup of radical feminism characterized by transphobia, especially transmisogyny,[note 2] and hostility to the third wave of feminism. They believe that the only real women™ are those born with a vagina and XX chromosomes.[note 3] They wish to completely enforce the classic gender binary, supporting gender essentialism.

      And feminists consider this term “a damnable slur and a term of abuse, and think of themselves as perfectly reasonable radical feminists.” And it seem “women born women” is a controversial term in LGBTQ+ circles that and is understood as a “transphobic shibboleth.” For the uninformed and ignorant, a “shibboleth”in an erse, richer and varied outdated belief or saying cited unreflectively which is fallacious or untrue. TERF’s are rejected by women of colour, sex workers, kinksters, most male allies, and by most every feminists. They just don’t understand “intersectionality.” Again, for the uninformed and ignorant,“intersectionality” is a theoretical framework describing how individuals and groups experience oppression or privilege relative to one another, depending on their supposed position within various social categories, such as gender, ethnicity and sexuality.

      The world is so much more diverse, richer and varied than is dreamed of in your philosophy ….

      • Inspector General

        TERFs should be hugged, fed and watered regularly. Through them, feminism is distancing itself from LGBT. A rare setback for the latter movement, but a tremendously important one…

        • You mean they’re not just anti-trans bigots who invented a binary system they call FAAB and MAAB?

      • IrishNeanderthal

        Shibboleth? With Judges 12:6 in mind, can you imagine the Gileadites waiting for Ephraimites at the Jordan, and getting them to pronounce properly:

        “She sells sea shells on the sea shore”!

  • Inspector General

    Oh Lord! There’s madness in the air today, and no mistake…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “Government relaxes rules on gay blood donations”
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/07/23/government-relaxes-rules-on-gay-blood-donations/comments/#disqus_thread
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Perhaps some REAL Conservative MP can move a motion that gay blood only be given in transfusion to other gays. They won’t mind. After all, there is no danger….

    {Snigger}

    • David

      Then stand by for the NHS to be sued for failing to take all due care in ensuring that transfusions are safe.

      • Inspector General

        Roger • 15 minutes ago
        Why are we gay men such victims that we can’t accept these rules are in place not through bigotry but because of the massively disproportionate levels of HIV in the gay/bi male community?

        •Reply•Share ›

        • David

          A rare voice of sanity ?

          • Inspector General

            To give some of them the credit they deserve, it’s not that rare over there. But the militants will jump on their backs, of course. Failing to tow the progressive line is not tolerated…

        • Lol – some can’t tell their bigot from their homophobe:

          Alex F. • 12 hours ago
          Gay men treated the same as prostitutes

          Paul Alex F. • an hour ago
          What a snowflake. Man up FFS

          htrtg Alex F. • 2 hours ago
          No, prostitutes are less likely to have HIV besides, why the bigotted (sic) attitude toward prostitutes who hurt nobody with their consensual acts?

          • Inspector General

            Coming after SSM in church, services blessing queer prostitutes…

          • …. queer and trans sex workers, if you please.

            Don’t be such …. er …. what’s the term … (consults manual) … (ah, that’s it) … a transphobic, gender essentialist, ideologue wingnut

      • len

        Not much comfort to those infected?

        • David

          Agreed. Common sense says prevention is best, especially as a total cure is not available. But suing focusses the institutional mind and is one way, not the best admittedly, to force a change of policy.

      • Anton

        We need Muslims to do the sueing in this case.

        • bluedog

          We need the police to act under criminal law rather than having innocent parties seeking civil remedies. If a homosexual knowingly gives contaminated blood, it should be regarded as attempted murder. You don’t have to look too far to find the attitudes that might condone such an act.

    • IanCad

      Not until the entire world contracts HIV will the Homo Lobby be satisfied.
      Equality – love it or die!

    • Merchantman

      About as sensible as the government suddenly relaxing restrictions on carry on laptops from 7 Islamic countries. These restrictions were put in place for bl**dingly obvious reasons.

    • Royinsouthwest

      This is coming less than a couple of weeks after the government’s announcement of an enquiry into the contaminated blood scandal that left thousands of people infected with hepatitis C and HIV.

      Contaminated blood scandal inquiry announced
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40566761

      Since the government has very belatedly made a start on doing the right thing by investigating previous negligence it seems to think that the Brownie points it has earned thereby allow it to take more risks with blood supplies now.

  • Anton

    Which of the mind and the body can lie?

  • len

    Since mankind decided he didn’t need God and threw away Gods manual for Life there have been some pretty weird things going on. ‘ No absolutes’ and’ no moral boundaries’ seems to have opened a ‘Pandora’s box and there will be no putting the lid back on.
    Man is now making up his own ‘moral law’ but as each boundary come crashing down the road to self destruction becomes ever more more apparent to the observer.
    But, it is when man tries to manipulate DNA that God will step in as He did once before(In the time of Noah)

    • Anton

      We already are doing.

    • Sarky

      Man is already manipulating DNA.

      Think i better get myself down to Ken Hams ark.

      • Chefofsinners

        The len-d is nigh.

        However, next time it will be fire, not water. See 2 Peter 3:10.

      • Dreadnaught

        Do you mean Ken Hom’s wok?

        • Sarky

          At least the wok was real.

        • IrishNeanderthal

          Ken Hom calls his style “fusion cookery”, which to me suggests a wok heated by the sort of nuclear reaction that takes place in the interiors of stars.

      • len

        Better had!.

  • TropicalAnglican

    The “gargoyle” was mistaken for Macron’s mother-in-law by an American fella who was heard whispering rather loudly to his wife: “Whaddya know, my mum-in-law looks younger than his mum-in-law”.

  • The devil has the upper-hand over there obviously.

  • Inspector General

    Tonight’s meal is new to the Inspector. ‘African Civil War Chicken’

    Now, let’s open the sachet. Good grief! That’s a small thin chicken! Not sure who’s hungrier. Inspector or chicken. Shame it’s dead. You don’t so much want to eat the thing than nurse it back to health…

  • Father David

    I’ve searched the 1662 Book of Common Prayer from cover to cover and can find no actual liturgical form approximating to this sort of thing! Perhaps I’ve missed something?

    • Inspector General

      The only thing you’ve missed, sir, is an apology for 2000 years of transphobia. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself…

      {Snort}

    • Burn all copies, Sir. A new one is about to be issued with all patriarchal, misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic material removed.

      • Sarky

        A pamphlet??

        • Could well be.
          Do what you want, whenever you want, wherever you want, with whomsoever or whatever you want.
          The Five W’s.

          • Anton

            Aleister Crowley said it first: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. And we know where he got it from.

          • Rabelais 🙂 Though the oldest known similar statement is from St Augustine of Hippo. “Love, and do what thou wilt.” 🙂

          • IrishNeanderthal

            But isn’t that the other way round? The Augustinian* statement puts love over will, if my analysis is correct. But then, I have a somewhat mathematical brain.

            *that’s a big word for me, at least in matters of theology.

          • Sarky

            You forgot the second part

            “Love is the law, love under will”

          • Anton

            Yes thank you Sarky; if I ever knew he added that then I’d forgotten it. The comment about will still shows what business he’s in though.

          • Sarky

            The fantasy business.

          • Anton

            Crowley called this the “law of thelema”, and thelema means “will”. He’s obsessed with the idea. Just like Hitler.

          • Sarky

            Was obsessed?

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          More like a scratch-card

    • Chefofsinners

      This is a shambles which has been long in the making.
      First the church fell into the error of baptising infants.
      Then it confused this with a naming ceremony.
      Now it is proposing renaming ceremonies for those who think God gave them the wrong reproductive organs.
      Thus baptism, ordained as a sign of a new holy life, will instead become an apostate church blessing mankind’s rebellion.

      • David

        Yes you’re got that about right. The ceremony is now so far removed from Jesus’ original intention of demonstrating publicly repentance, washing away ones sins and starting afresh, in Christ, as a new person, as to be devoid of meaning. Having been severed from the original meaning and purpose, it becomes just man made religion.This is what happens when you fail to teach doctrine and underlying meanings, instead looking at just outward form and “being nice”.

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      I think you’ll find 1662 ‘is so last year…’

      • bluedog

        Do you mean that the progressives of the avant-garde in Barchester are toying with 1928?

      • Father David

        Mrs. Proudie, I very much doubt if they use anything other than 1662 in the cathedral at Barchester.
        I’ve often wondered about Mr. Slope, considering the suggestions you often make about his proclivities and inclinations, why he is so agin anthems and music in church. Hasn’t he read the BCP Evening Prayer Rubric which states “In Quires and Places where they sing, here followeth the Anthem.”?

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          Ah, dear Father David, I must clarify. The 1662 is very much in use and favour here in Barchester. The ‘so last year…’ Comment refers to Synod and the go-aheads who insist in forcing Spacely-Trellisisms on the rest of us. Tell me, are you still left leaning or more perpendicular these days?

          • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

            And who can fathom Mr. Slope?

          • Father David

            Indeed, who can penetrate or divine Obadiah Slope? Well, Archdeacon Grantly had a bash when he described him thus – “The most bestial creature that I have ever set my eyes upon.”
            Then again, he did have the best exit line ever when leaving the palace he said – “May you both live forever!” How thoughtful that he had the eternal destiny of your and Bishop Proudie’s immortal souls to heart!
            But what I simply cannot fathom, in the light of all your many inferences regarding what might be called Slope’s sexual preferences is how can you explain his amorous infatuation with Signora Neroni who, unless she has taken to heart recent “Conservative” comments about choosing one’s own gender, is very firmly of the female persuasion?

          • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

            Money and position, dear Father David, money and position. The fellow is an arriviste of the first order. Why did Oscar Wilde marry? For respectability…Apropos of political leanings, do you really want to see the keys of this island kingdom handed over to a Trotskyite agitator and friend of Hamas, who hobnobs with the IRA enemies of this country and not in a biscuit sense? Really?

          • Father David

            Yes indeed, I can’t wait for the great day when Jeremy is in charge of the nation’s money and holding the position of First Lord of the Treasury. A great improvement on the present “Absolute Shower” as good old T T, used to say. Just think “All them waving corn fields and ballet in the evenings”.
            Secretly, I’m wondering if you, yourself aren’t a bit of a fan – giving Dominic Stockford a musical lesson in how to sing “Oooooh Je – re – mee Cor – byn?

          • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

            No

          • Father David

            Yes, dear lady, since the virtual abandonment by the Church of England of the BCP the Established Church has generally been at the cutting-edge of decline. However, I’m sure that with 1662 firmly in place Barchester cathedral still bucks the general trend.
            Currently I’m reading the Bishop of Sheffield’s wife’s new page-turning tome “Realms of Glory” in which Ms. Fox refers to “the good old Prayer Book days” and to “none of your modern half-arsed Common Worship” (Chapter 8, page 50)
            To answer your question – am I “still left leaning or more perpendicular these days?” Well, I very much look forward to Mrs. Dismay handing over the keys of Number 10 to Mr. Corbyn in the not too distant future.

          • Anton

            To some of us, “1662 BCP” means “no tolerance of our own liturgies”. Too easily is it forgotten that Pilgrim’s Progress was written in prison for its author’s peaceable refusal of the Act of Uniformity.

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    I see this Conservative government are proposing legislation to allow people to ‘self-identify’ without any medical evaluation and recommendation. Birth certificates will be therefore altered to recognise the change of gender alignment. Obviously, I use the word Conservative in the modern sense of neo-Marxist Alinskyite New World Order-lite. Having reached the bottom of the pit, our politicians dig even deeper.

    • IanCad

      I feel less soiled having, although a CP member, voted UKIP in the last election.
      Of course, it was a safe seat, but nevertheless there are millions like me who wish for a Conservative reform movement.
      Bye, Bye, Justine.

    • Royinsouthwest

      Will men be allowed to use women’s changing rooms in swimming pools and gyms? After all, if t the government passes laws to allow men to “identify” as women then what is to stop normal, heterosexual men from choosing to identify as women when it seems convenient to them.

      • Manfarang

        In 2004, the Chiang Mai Technology School allocated a separate restroom for kathoeys (ladyboys), with an intertwined male and female symbol on the door. The 15 kathoey students are required to wear male clothing at school but are allowed to sport feminine hairdos. The restroom features four stalls, but no urinals

        • IrishNeanderthal

          It may be that the Thais understand better the dimension of these matters that ranges from the biological to the bohemian.

          But I do not quite understand the motivation behind your posts. Is it a desire to inform, or is it

          “He only does it to annoy,
          Because he knows it teases.”?

          • Manfarang

            Regarding your question-dispassionate.
            Thai society has one of the world’s most tolerant attitude towards kathoeys or the third gender.

      • Anton

        We are heading for individual changing cubicles and toilets. Doesn’t overcome the sports and prisons issue though. The sports issue is not new – see Tamara and Irina Press.

        • Hi

          They’ll keep introducing unisex toilets and change rooms – which one suspects is why they’re being introduced . Interestingly on our blog most are against this, including me and my partner, although we got the first accusation of transphobic bigotry the other day.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            Someone comes out of a public toilet, looking pale and frightened.

            “What happened? Did you see a ghost?”

            “No, the toilet changed sex while I was sitting on it!”

      • Hi

        Why do you think they’ve been introducing unisex everything ?

        • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

          And soap-on-a-rope…

      • bluedog

        It’s ridiculous politics. In chasing the very small trans-vote, the government is alienating the majority. Shockingly bad judgement.

        • Manfarang

          Table III. Support for Gender Change by Country
          Country
          Great
          Britain
          Agree Somewhat Disagree Somewhat Don’t know
          47.8% 2%SE 29.2% 1%SE 4.0% 1% SE 5.7% 1% SE 13.3% 1%SE
          Note: S.E. = Standard Error

          • bluedog

            Source?

          • Manfarang

            Williams Institute at UCLA Law School

          • bluedog

            Samples were very small. Can 500 people in each country give a representative view? One can suggest that the standard error numbers might need to be drastically revised.

          • IrishNeanderthal

            You said you are dispassionate. Are you human? You seem to miss out that your table is so badly formatted.

            Below, you mention a Californian law school. I am reminded that it was an American who invented lobotomy, and inflicted it on his own son.

            I happen to communicate occasionally with a transsexual person in America on matters of science or politics, and I am convinced she is the genuine article.

            But I fear that medical and social fashion may force sex changes on tomboys and others for whom it is totally inappropriate. Are Californians any more sensible than the Chinese who went in for foot binding, or Indians who practiced widow burning?

          • Manfarang

            I did know someone who underwent a sex change operation at the Yanhee Hospital . He was a strapping lad from Texas who thought he was a lesbian. Not long after s/he committed suicide.
            By the way Area 51 is in Nevada.

          • Anton

            Are the categories “agree somewhat”, “disagree somewhat” and “don’t know”; if not then what are they? It is not clear from what you have written what is the figure and standard error for each category.

          • Manfarang

            Sorry I was unable to post it in tabulated format.
            Agree, Agree Somewhat, Disagree, Disagree Somewhat
            2% Standard Error (SE)

  • IrishNeanderthal
    • bluedog

      Not fit to be a British minister.

    • len

      Why are our leaders so focused on sex?.I can only assume that Brexit is such an insurmountable problem that out leaders want us to look anywhere but at their handling of Brexit?.
      There is not a political party worth voting for anymore so where does that leave us?.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Very good indeed Mrs Proudie. Only one question, how does “The choir then sing, ‘O Jeremy, Jeremy Corbyn’ to the tune of Crimond.”? I cannot for the life of me make it fit….

    • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

      You have to linger on the O and then the Je-re-mee…then shorten the second Je-re-mee and split Cor-byn…