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Alan Henning’s compassion made him more Muslim than any member of ISIS

Our prayers and our thoughts have been with the family of Alan Henning over these last weeks, during which his life has been so publicly threatened.

In his life Alan Henning united people across the boundaries of nationality and faith. He did so both through his humanitarian actions and by the love that drove him on. That his tragic death continues to unite people across Britain and beyond is demonstrated today by the range of people and organisations paying him tribute.

To ISIS we say: You no longer have the power to shock us, now you just sicken us. Your brutality, against any who don’t share your narrow, perverted worldview, doesn’t undermine our determination, it stiffens our resolve. Your destiny is not to be a force in human history, merely one of its sad footnotes.

These are the words of David Walker, Bishop of Manchester, in whose diocese Alan Henning had lived. As we have read similar statements posted across social media and on the news, there has been a palpable sense that we are a nation in mourning for one of its sons. Having a strong sense of charity and acting to help others in need on a global scale runs deep in the British psyche. You only need to look to our Government’s International Aid commitments to see that we are one of the most generous nations in the world. Alan Henning embodied that spirit. He took unpaid leave to swap driving a taxi in Eccles for an ambulance in Syria full of food and water to be handed out to anyone in need. Before crossing the border from Turkey to Syria he was filmed saying: “It’s all worthwhile when you see what’s needed actually getting to where it needs to go. The sacrifice we do is nothing compared to what they go through on a daily basis.” Within hours of speaking this he was abducted and taken hostage, ultimately making a sacrifice far bigger than he had ever planned.

ISIS have repeatedly shown that they have no interest in the dignity of anyone they have decided is their enemy. They have also dismissed the concerted efforts of Muslims in this country to show mercy. Letters and messages from numerous imams have fallen on deaf ears. The ISIS corrupt and depraved ideology has blinded them and hardened their hearts  beyond the point of no return. But in this blatant and public disregard for any form of benevolent justice they are continuing to sow the seeds of their own destruction. The more these murders continue, the more isolated ISIS will become, and the urgency to see them destroyed will only increase.

There is no other way to put it: if ISIS were to realise their vision and establish a global caliphate, all civilisation as we know it would cease to exist; we would enter something far worse and bloodier than the Dark Ages. By contrast, if the world were to follow Alan Henning’s example, we would find ourselves in an era of remarkable peace and justice. ISIS may genuinely believe that they are carrying out the will of Allah, but in reality Mr Henning was far more a Muslim than those who would seek to fly the black flag will ever be. This Hadith gives an account of one of Mohammad’s encounters:

A Bedouin came to the prophet, grabbed the stirrup of his camel and said: “O the messenger of God! Teach me something to go to heaven with it.” Prophet said: “As you would have people do to you, do to them; and what you dislike to be done to you, don’t do to them. Now let the stirrup go! This maxim is enough for you; go and act in accordance with it!” (Kitab al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 146)

Alan Henning’s mercy and compassion are far easier to justify in Islamic teaching than ISIS terror and brutality. They live by the sword and most likely it will be the sword that causes their fall. No regime or state displaying these levels of evil has historically lasted more than a relatively short length of time. The innate goodness in of humanity has always risen to do what was needed to overcome these sick and twisted aberrations.

Do not fret because of those who are evil
    or be envious of those who do wrong;
for like the grass they will soon wither,
    like green plants they will soon die away.

Be still before the Lord
    and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
    when they carry out their wicked schemes.

A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
    though you look for them, they will not be found.
But the meek will inherit the land
    and enjoy peace and prosperity.

The wicked plot against the righteous
    and gnash their teeth at them;
but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
    for he knows their day is coming.

The wicked draw the sword
    and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
    to slay those whose ways are upright.
But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
    and their bows will be broken. (Psalm 37:1-2, 7, 10-15)

Right now we are witnessing the worst that ISIS can do, but it will not last.  They will be swept away without any mourning. But we have a duty to remember and celebrate the life of Alan Henning and other ISIS victims who lost their lives because they cared enough to put themselves in a place of danger.

Let us also not forget Alan Henning’s family at this time, and pray for their strength, courage and the healing of these bitter wounds.

  • len

    ‘Alan Henning’s compassion made him more Muslim than any member of ISIS’.
    One might assume from this message that ISIS were the only Muslim group with psychopathic tendencies?. This is obviously not true as there are many others equally as barbaric.
    Islam is a religion of mixed messages and jumbled up stories taken from the Jewish and Christian religious books.Islam takes it’ authority’ from these books but denies the truth contained within them regarding the true identity of Jesus Christ. There is no redemptive figure such as Jesus Christ in Islam only a’ works based ‘religion where good deeds are weighed against bad deeds. The’ good deeds’ in the Koran however including killing anyone who does not submit to ‘allah’ the Islamic’ god.’

    So those Muslims predisposed to violence will take from the passages of the Koran those which advocate violence and use it to ‘authenticate’ what they do..

    In Christianity Jesus forbade the use of violence which is why Christians who use violence (or have done in the past) have been clearly instructed not to do so…

    The true identity of radical Muslim groups must be made known so no more unfortunates can fall under the power of these Islamic death cults.

    • Royinsouthwest

      It is pretty obvious that when His Grace wrote Alan Henning’s compassion made him more Muslim than any member of ISIS he had in mind the original meaning of Islam as “submission to God.” I do not know what Alan Henning’s religious beliefs (if any) were but he certainly showed by his life that he was prepared to follow the light that he saw and was obeying the command to “love your neighbour” when he was cruelly taken prisoner by the followers of evil.

      There is no need for us to make known “the true identity of radical Muslim groups.” Their actions show that.

      • Old Blowers

        Roy

        “It is pretty obvious that when His Grace wrote Alan Henning’s compassion made him more Muslim than any member of ISIS he had in mind the original meaning of Islam as “submission to God.”

        But what does submission to Allah entail to the follower. This is the 64 thousand dollar question and to pretend that old Allah ain’t slightly capricious in his commands would be shown as delusional to observers. The word ‘religion of peace’ has a hollow ring to it if it’s not observable or a constant that can be defined by example to it’s followers.

        Being currently peaceful in a foreign country, where you are a minority, aint the same as being peaceful and showing it to other minorities when in the majority, as has occurred in the Arab spring in Egypt, to quote just one. Irony is when a dictator that was overthrown held the balance for order that no longer exists, who was himself a muslim. Who was the better Muslim…the peace maintaining Dictator or the ‘freedom’ demanding persecuting Muslim Brotherhood members, who both killed for different reasons?

        Blofeld

        • Good grief. Do read the author’s name. His Grace writes; His Grace’s deputy editor writes; and so does the occasional guest.

          • Old Blowers

            Good morning Your Grace.

            Old Ernst was merely cutting and pasting Roy’s comment and elaborating on his premise.

            Ernst was aware it was Gillan that posted but as Roy maybe a communicant of Mr Scott, it would have been presumptuous to correct the chap…show of unity, brotherhood etc to Gillan followers brought over. Certain Roy will get to know the robustness of your communicants over time *chuckles*

            I was merely pointing out his idea of ‘Submission to Allah’ could present a smorgasbord of meaning depending on your theological tastes if a muslim.

            Best wishes

            Ernst

          • Royinsouthwest

            Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I apologise to Gillian Scott for not noticing that she was the author of the article, which was a very good one.

          • Get with Blowers. This new format allows all sorts of new tricks which even an old dog can learn.
            “It is pretty obvious that when His Grace Gillan Scott wrote Alan Henning’s compassion made him more Muslim than any member of ISIS he had in mind the original meaning of Islam as “submission to God.”

            *chuckles*

            Good excuse though …..

    • Old Blowers

      Brilliantly stated Len. You saved this old boy writing a similar post.
      “A Bedouin came to the prophet, grabbed the stirrup of his camel and
      said: “O the messenger of God! Teach me something to go to heaven with
      it.” Prophet said: “As you would have people do to you, do to them; and
      what you dislike to be done to you, don’t do to them. Now let the
      stirrup go! This maxim is enough for you; go and act in accordance with
      it!” (Kitab al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 146)” Ernst thinks Our Wonder Saviour said it sooo much better than the Plegarist quoted, don’t you? But then He said what He meant and His actions lived up to them, unlike fake prophets that mimic such as Mohammed the Drongo!!!

      Blowers

  • DrCrackles

    Both the Christian and the Muslim understands that he faces enemies. The Christian is extorted to pray for his earthly enemies, while understanding that he wrestles against spiritual foes. The Muslim is commanded to kill his enemies. Alan Henning was identified by ISIS as representing the enemy. The tragedy is that Henning didn’t understand this. No outpouring from Muslims here can change the fact the ISIS are merely being obedient to Muslim teaching in its purest form.

    British people would do well to know their history. We would do well to know our enemies and pray for them as they desparately need the Grace of Jesus Christ.

  • bluedog

    ‘Right now we are witnessing the worst that ISIS can do, but it will not last. ‘

    Sadly not, on either count. This communicant remains convinced that at some point ISIS will go for a domestic spectacular, like the massacre of the Household Cavalry by the IRA, or a Lee Rigby re-enactment but with a civilian cast in something like a shopping centre. We saw that sort of brutality in Nairobi recently, and a glitzy mall in somewhere like Dubai, filled with ex-pats, would have to be on the ISIS list of things to do. ISIS seems to be lead by capable and confident, almost cocky, individuals and it would be irresponsible to under-estimate them and their ambition.

    One notes that both the Saudi and the Qataris are doing little more than having an each-way bet in their membership of the anti-ISIS coalition.

  • The Inspector General

    Alan Henning’s compassion made him more Muslim than any member of ISIS

    Oh Lord. What in blazes are you playing at Gillan. He was killed because he WASN’T a muslim, you damn fool !!

    There’s a grieving family out there, for God’s sake. How about a bit of humility and understanding from you then.

    We are going to have to destroy ISIS, completely destroy it. We are going to need resolve to do that, and we don’t need the likes of you to undermine said resolve. We need to understand that whatever being a muslim entails, it ultimately manifests itself as evil, and that every time. Have you learnt nothing !!

    Damn poor show that man !!!

    • carl jacobs

      Standby one

      • Cressida de Nova

        Oh please! Stop trying to present yourself as something remotely civilised. You are a cruel savage! There is no difference between you and IS which is fine except you fantasise that you are a Christian ( admittedly if only a cult member) but even so ,the promotion of these barbarous acts , like burying people alive is outrageous and then claiming that you are doing this because you have daughters…they must be so utterly ashamed.!

        • carl jacobs

          Go away, Cressida. Just… Go away.

    • CliveM

      Sometimes Inspector you go a bit OTT! I think on this occasion not. It was a poorly chosen statement at the least.

  • Old Blowers

    Your Grace

    “Certain Roy will get to know the robustness of your communicants over time *chuckles*” See comment below!

    As will poor Gillan. *Humungous chortles*

    Ernst Blofeld

  • DanJ0

    Well said, the Bishop of Manchester. Particularly the last paragraph.

    • CliveM

      I thought so to. However I listened to the Head Imam from the Manchester Central Mosque on the TV this morning. He made the statement that whilst IS maybe able to argue that the other killings were justifiable, this one was beyond the pale and clearly unjustifiable!!

      I’m not sure he is quite on message yet.

      • DanJ0

        Really? What a twunt.

        • CliveM

          To be honest among many Muslims I get the impression that whilst they believe IS is beyond the pale, that it is all the Wests fault and that the West deserve all that is happening for past actions. I hope I am being unfair.
          Their is still a sense of victim hood in a lot of what they seem to say.

  • Dreadnaught

    It’s views like this, that give spur to the image of the invincibility of Islam, let alone ISIS. It sickens me that intelligent minds cannot see the scale of global change being wrought before their eyes. Dropping to your knees, hands clasped in prayer is simply to adopt a head in the sand exersise and will not save a single life from Sharia teaching – but make you feel you are doing ‘something’. Islam was begat by violence from the get-go – and nothing has changed in 1500 years apart from the weaponology available – that’s why they love to cut the throats of animals and humans and glory in the visual impact of spilling of blood. This is why they teach the very young at Eid to practise on animals what Mohammad prescribes for humans.

    ISLAM IS ANYTHING IT WANTS TO BE, if it furthers its expansion. Its followers know that the intelligent minds that pass to serve Western culture haven’t a clue what to do other than sacrifice the freedom of future generations on the altar of political correctness, in the hope of preventing civil disorder today that will one day will evolve in to a civil war in Europe.

    DERA ISMAIL KHAN/ISLAMABAD, Oct 4 (Reuters) – The Pakistani Taliban declared allegiance to Islamic State on Saturday and ordered militants across the region to help the Middle Eastern jihadist group in its campaign to set up a global Islamic caliphate.

    Islamic State, which controls swathes of land in Syria and Iraq, has been making inroads into South Asia, which has traditionally been dominated by local Taliban insurgencies against both the Pakistan and Afghanistan governments.

    The announcement comes after a September move by al Qaeda chief, Ayman al-Zawahri, to name former Taliban commander Asim Umar as the “emir” of a new South Asia branch of the network that masterminded the 2001 attacks on the United States.

    Although there is little evidence of a firm alliance yet between IS and al Qaeda-linked Taliban commanders, IS activists have been spotted recently in the Pakistani city of Peshawar distributing pamphlets praising the group.

    IS flags have also been seen at street rallies in Indian-administered Kashmir. The trend has been of growing concern to global powers struggling to keep up with the fast-changing nature of the international Islamist insurgency.

    In a message marking the Muslim holy festival of Eid al-Adha, the Pakistani Taliban said they fully supported IS goals.

    “Oh our brothers, we are proud of you in your victories. We are with you in your happiness and your sorrow,” Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid said in a statement sent to Reuters by email from an unknown location.

    “In these troubled days, we call for your patience and stability, especially now that all your enemies are united against you. Please put all your rivalries behind you …

    “All Muslims in the world have great expectations of you … We are with you, we will provide you with Mujahideen (fighters) and with every possible support.”

    The statement, released in Urdu, Pashto and Arabic, was sent after Islamic State militants beheaded British aid worker Alan Henning in a video posted on Friday, triggering condemnation by the British and U.S. governments….

    • The Inspector General

      First rate post Dreadnaught. One of your best. Perhaps Gillan will now appear and recant.

  • Dreadnaught

    The only thing Islam cannot be is Non-violent: violence is specifically ordained in its very text.

  • carl jacobs

    ISIS exploits what it perceives to be a Western vulnerability – our general remoteness from viewing death – and puts it on YouTube to display their power over western impotence. It’s worse than useless to vow to hunt down the murderers. There is no credibility in the threat and so it only emphasizes the impotence being displayed in the video. Besides, what are you really going to threaten them with – even assuming you could find them. Twenty five years in a Western prison.

    The visuals need to change. If you want to have an impact, then go to ISIS territory, capture alive as many ISIS fighters as you can, and impale them on sharpened poles along the road from Mosul to Baghdad. Staple a picture of Alan Henning onto the chest of every fighter before he is lifted up. That will have an impact. Then they will fear you and respect you. Exploit his weakness, and show it to the world in technicolor. Then they will stay clear of murdering your citizens.

    But it’s better to say nothing than to vow empty words. That only re-enforces the message of the video.

    carl

    • An eye for an eye ………

      • carl jacobs

        … is what States exact.

        And I am actually suggesting an eye, a hand, a foot, and both testicles for an eye

        carl

        • No …. you’re suggesting much more than retaliatory justice.

          • carl jacobs

            Jack

            Then go to the ICC and get your little arrest warrant for the unknown assailant and the go arrest him. I’m sure that prospect will terrify those guys in the video.

            If you want to stop this, then you can’t play patty cake with these people. You are going to have to do hard things. You can’t just defeat these people. You have to crush them. You have to humiliate them. You have to break them. You have to expose them to public shame. Otherwise, they will keep beheading your citizens and putting the video on YouTube.

            carl

          • Why are you juxtaposing a “little arrest warrant” with
            impaling men on sharpened poles on the road from Mosul to Baghdad?

            You really believe ‘terror’ will have an effect on these guys? They need defeating by a professional and well led military and those captured should be dealt with according to modern day norms – not those of the Roman Empire, Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

            What you are suggesting, if you’re serious, is nothing short of brute barbarity, will be ineffective and counter-productive, and has no place in a civilised state. All it will achieve is demonstrating we are no better than IS.

          • carl jacobs

            Jack

            You aren’t willing to make the commitment necessary to defeat ISIS with a professional military. I’m just telling you how to protect your citizens should ISIS get ahold them. “If you or your comrades kill my people, I will come and kill you in agonizing and shameful ways.” And, yes, what I suggested would work. Islam is a shame culture. That’s what you should take advantage of. But, as I said, I wouldn’t actually do it because of the effect it could have on my soldiers. But you have to think in those terms if you want to have an impact. You will not have an impact if you insist on acting is if they think like Westerners.

            carl

          • carl jacobs

            BTW. I forgot to say this. You remind me of those people who objected to certain American tactics during the First Gulf War. The American Army breached the initial Iraqi trench lines by bulldozing the Earth berm in front of the trench back into the trench. This had the effect of burying Iraqi soldiers alive. Not a pleasant way to die. But it sure got the Iraqis to get out of the trench and surrender. “Cruel and unusual” came the screams from the Weak Bladder Brigade. War is hard. You have to decide who you want to protect.

            And don’t tell me they wouldn’t deserve it. They have earned the requisite suffering seven times over. Every girl they sold into sexual slavery condemns them. I have daughters, you see.

            carl

      • CliveM

        Very tempting!!

    • CliveM

      David

      Following this poor mans murder and also what we learn daily about the atrocities inflicted on innocent men, women and children. Then taking into account their successful expansion into other regions and the increasing threat to western interests and oil security (not a trivial thing), just when does ISIS become such a threat that we must take them on?

      If we wait much longer won’t the job simply get harder, longer and more expensive. We may have waited to long already.

      Certainly out politicians are still dithering. I suspect Obama feels he can’t get out of the White House soon enough. It is clear the target is the West. Can we really just wait for IS to strengthen, get more confident and develop their terror networks before the West does something?

      We need action now and we should be demanding of our politicians that they now take the IS threat as their nos. 1 priority.

    • CliveM

      Carl apologies looking at my post it looks like I am having a go, not what I meant. More a question about what actually now needs to be done. I suspect impaling May be a step further then the west will feel able to go!;)

      • carl jacobs

        Clive

        No worries. I didn’t perceive any aggressive intent in your post.

        And frankly, you are right. The West wouldn’t go there. And although I would consider impalement an eminently just punushment, I would worry about the brutalizing effect it would have on those carrying it out. But that is the kind of thinking that is required. Threats of justice in a court will be treated with contempt.

        carl

  • Johnny Rottenborough

    The Qur’an states (48:29) that ‘Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.’ The universalism of Christianity has no echo in Islam, so, in the hadith you quote, the Prophet is actually saying: ‘As you would have your fellow Muslims do to you, do to them; and what you dislike to be done to you, don’t do to your fellow Muslims.’

    Your claim that Islamic teaching is replete with mercy and compassion may be true by Islam’s skewed understanding of mercy and compassion but it is not true by Christian or Western standards.

  • JayBee

    I don’t like that headline. It’s not only provocative but completely
    in-appropriate. Muslims are compassionate among themselves.
    Whatever Alan’s compassion makes him it sure isn’t any kind of Muslim.

  • Keith Kiernan

    Islam is DIFFERENTLY evocative of violence than other faiths, because the acts of violence in its history and texts are historically verifiable and because the porphet and the texts give driect instructions to followers to be CONDITIONALLY violent

    • carl jacobs

      I dunno. That secular faith in man has a long contrail of historically-verified violence since 1789, and it seems to get a pass in this modern age. Of course, it helps a little when it can define its own violence out of existence as enlightened autonomous choice.

      carl

      • Dreadnaught

        Leaving aside military text books, can you name one… that stands for the instructions as to the manner of violence towards unbelievers on behalf of the secular ‘faith’ written as a’ holy’ text?

        • carl jacobs

          Hmm. Does Robepierre’s deification of the god Reason count?

          No matter. I’ll just point to the voluminous writings of Lenin – which is about as close to a Holy text as you can find among Secularists. What do you think the Bolsheviks were doing, Dreadnaught? They were killing off classes of people to create the New Communist Man. Where do you think those ideas came from? The Book of Revelation?

          When I was in college, I had to waste three credit hours on a Humanities class, so I took “Understanding Socialism.” It was interesting to watch a committed Socialist try to reconcile the seminal though of the secular left with the vision the Left holds of itself. He didn’t actually succeed.

          carl

          • Dreadnaught

            I’m not conversant with the texts you mention or that I would regard them as holy writ. I think to understand early European socialism you would have to refer to camels passing through eyes of needles and such. In the US you have not had the experiences of Serfdom and Feudalism or of an extended religious civil war that produced the likes of the Levelers, the Diggers and the Divine Right of Kings all of which was well before the French or Russian upheavals.
            Please don’t misunderstand where I am coming from in my politics; that, has nothing to do with my choice of atheism, which is in benign opposition to all religion.

        • Keith Kiernan

          The harbi is a non-Muslim living in an area which is not subject to Islam and consequently considered a land of war. According to the Muslim jurists, the harbi has no rights: his blood and his property being licit prey to any Muslim.[14]

  • The Inspector General

    Is it only the Inspector and a select handful of others who have really appreciated what Obama did when he said it was to be over for IS ?

    He has not only condemned the IS men to death, but also their young sons
    with them, who right now are being apprenticed in how to be a murdering
    terrorist. If there was any justice, you might want these ‘innocents’ to be
    saved. All they are guilty of is being born into a rabid Islamic household. Not
    their fault of course, but that’s not going to save them. Same with their women
    folk. Condemned the same way, and so are the babes in arms and in the cot and in
    the womb. It’s going to get really bloody out there…

    And so, for this, after their destruction, we shall not forgive them, not
    that they’d ever beg forgiveness from us or their victims anyway, but we will
    curse them for what they made us do. Yet what we are doing, will have done, is
    for humanity and for what is right. God will stand apart from what we do, but he
    will not condemn us, as he did not condemn us when we did what we had to do to
    stop the NAZIs…

  • dannybhoy

    That’s a funny heading.

    “ALAN HENNING’S COMPASSION MADE HIM MORE MUSLIM THAN ANY MEMBER OF ISIS”
    It rather reminds me of that saying that, “All roads lead to God..”

    I know what is meant, but as is said elsewhere here by Johnny Rottenborough. Muslims show mercy unto Muslims. This is why most -if not all – Muslim charities and relief agencies are there for other Muslims in need.

    Which is entirely consistent with the belief that Islam is the only true religion to which one day everyone will bow, or pay Jezyah.

    There are no specific Muslim charities for non Muslims as far as I know, so how was Alan Henning more of a Muslim?

    He was a kind and compassionate British man influenced by the Christian values of his culture.
    On Muslim charity to non Muslims..

    “Praise be to Allaah.
    It is permissible to give charity to non-Muslims and this action will be rewarded, if they are in need of it, but they should not be given the obligatory charity, i.e. zakaat, unless they are those whose hearts are to be softened (i.e., they are close to embracing Islam). It is a condition for giving charity to non-Muslims that they should not be involved in fighting the Muslims or driving them from their homes, because charity in such cases would be seen as helping them to wage war against the Muslims. ”
    (Fataawa Mutanawwi’ah by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 521).
    http://islamqa.info/en/3238

  • Uncle Brian

    Like several others, I expect, among His Grace’s regular communicants, I now realise that I owe a debt of gratitude to Bishop Walker of Manchester. Until I read this post, half an hour ago, I had been labouring under the delusion that the Islamic State which has now added Alan Henning to its list of victims was run by a bunch of sadistic murderous thugs. Thanks to Bishop Walker, however, I have seen the error of my ways. He has accused the gentlemen now in power over there of committing no more serious offence than that of holding a “narrow, perverted worldview”, a regrettable error that might easily and quickly be remedied, no doubt, by turning up at a Sunday morning service at Manchester Cathedral and listening with due attention to one of his very own sermons.

    “Your narrow, perverted worldview.” Bishop Walker might have been criticising a South American footballer – Lionel Messi, perhaps – for crossing himself before taking a penalty kick. Is that really the strongest language that Bishop Walker can find to hurl at the savage murderers of a faithful member of his diocesan flock? All his real venom, I suppose, all his genuinely heartfelt abhorrence, he must have used up at the time of the elections to the European Parliament last May, in his ringing denunciations of the miserable sinners who were tempted to vote for the hated Ukip.

    • The Inspector General

      Indeed Brian, those who vote UKIP are beyond hope, apparently. Not so the gentle muslim attending his mosque and hearing how to put us kaffir away for good…

  • Dreadnaught

    Want to understand Islam; its history and place in time and context? – listen to this man. Its not a rant against Muslims but and incisive examination that should be compulsory for all westerners, who still can’t see that Islam is not a religion but a political, supremacist ideology.

    • carl jacobs

      Dreadnought

      It may be convenient for liberal consciences to define Islam as something other than a religion (so it may be suppressed without treading on liberal conceit about its commitment to freedom of relugion), but that doesn’t change its fundamental nature as a religion. What part of the “It’s a religion” test does it fail to meet? The fact that it encompasses politics within religion does not disqualify it.

      Islam is not compatible with Western understandings and Western culture. But the West is the standard only because the West has been strong enough to impose it. As western power recedes, Western understandings will recede as well. There are other notions about the proper nature of religion in the world and they have no desire or need to follow Western ideas.

      Islam is a religion, and must be opposed as a religion. Which means the West will have to take seriously its own Christian heritage in order to oppose Islam.

      carl

      • Dreadnaught

        No Carl, Islam is politics disguised as religion.
        I doubt you would have said what you did if you had viewed this presentation.

        • carl jacobs

          I repeat, Dreadnaught. What part of the “It’s a religion” test does it fail?

          carl

          • Dreadnaught

            Let me put that back to you – what part of it IS a religion save for the fact that it demands the heads of unbelievers.

          • carl jacobs

            It offers a coherent consistent theistic answer to the fundamental (religious) questions that all men must answer.

            1. Who am I?
            2. Where did I come from?
            3. Where am I going?
            4. How did I get here?
            5. How should I live?

            carl

          • Dreadnaught

            If you believe in the 72 virgins (boys if you prefer) for martyrs and all the booze you can drink without getting drunk etc etc schtick and that it constitutes it passing your test of religious equivalence then it is indeed pointless me engaging in any further exchange along these lines.
            As for the 1-5 questions you pose, they could all be applied to any number of situations and contexts in life that have nothing to do with the brutality of the lie that is Islam.

          • carl jacobs

            Dreadnaught

            It’s not my “It’s a religion” test. It’s your test. You made the assertion.

            Islam is not a religion

            That means you have a standard for what constitutes a religion. You compared Islam to that standard, and you determined that Islam failed to meet your established criteria. So:

            1. What is the standard?
            2. How does Islam fail to meet it?

            I told you why I consider Islam a religion. You dismissed it. But neither my answer nor your dismissal have anything to do with you being able to justify your assertion. Which you manifestly have not done.

            carl

          • Dreadnaught

            I must be more careful in my choice of words but if you insist that Islam is a religion then anything can be a religion if enough people subscribe to it.

          • dannybhoy

            Well put Carl.

          • Albert

            This is now becoming very confusing. IS is religious, not because it worships and prays and has a holy book, but because it beheads people.

            I think the word “religion” may have lost its meaning.

      • dannybhoy

        Islam is a religion heavily influenced by Judaism and some Christianity with other stuff. Islam is not politics, it is a whole way of life. A theocracy.

      • Albert

        I agree that Islam is a religion (sorry Dreadnaught, I don’t have time to watch your video to hear the opposite case). I don’t think IS represents what most Muslims think Islam is about, but Islam is a religion, and although members of IS may be bad Muslims, they are still Muslims. But what I don’t get Carl, is why you think the liberal West retains a commitment to freedom of religion. The UK has largely evacuated the human right to religious freedom of much of its content.

        • Dreadnaught

          Shame you are so busy not to listen to a fellow Christian.

          • Albert

            There are two billion Christians in the world, so it’s hard to listen to them all!

          • carl jacobs

            Just listen to me, Albert. I’ll keep you straight. We should start with all that Papal nonsense….

          • Albert

            Sorry, Carl, It’s quite difficult to hear the sound of a lone Protestant voice above the confession of faith of 1.2 billion Catholics. 🙂

          • carl jacobs

            Albert

            It’s all about signal to noise ratio. Modern communication methods are designed to pull a useful signal out of the noise.

            carl

          • Albert

            That would explain why you are coming through softer even than your numbers would suggest.

          • carl jacobs

            Albert

            You aren’t applying the right spreading code. Convolve the signal with Sola Scriptura and the message will pop right out of all that Catholic din. The spread spectrum gain of Sola Scriptura is really high.

            carl

          • Well, we know who is the “prince of the power of the air”
            Jack was tempted to ‘do a Luther’ and add waves to air.

          • Albert

            Oh yes, Sola Scriptura, I’d forgotten about that. Must be because I read my Bible every day and have never read it there!

        • carl jacobs

          Albert

          I don’t disagree. My point was that Secularists want to maintain to themselves that they support freedom of religion. In their effort to displace Christianity from the culture, they have elevated non-Christian religions to demonstrate that culture is independent of religion. Now they discover it isn’t. An easy way to resolve the dilemma is to reclassify Islam as a non-religion. If it is about politics, then they can suppress Islam as a political threat while denying the Christian heritage they are actually defending.

          carl

          • CliveM

            Carl/Albert

            I think Dannyboy below has got it right. To argue it is not a religion is going to far, but it does have a strong political
            element as well.

          • Albert

            Clive,

            That won’t really do, for the simple reason that the distinction between politics and religion is not really in Islam’s DNA in the same way as it is in the West. That distinction is really Christian in origin.

          • Albert

            Yes, that makes sense. The paradox is, of course, that if they want a culture with a secular sphere, Christianity provides a framework for that. These other religious cultures they have promoted do not. But then, if they weren’t culturally illiterate, they wouldn’t be secularists.

  • Uncle Brian

    I’m still waiting to see Gillan Scott’s reply to this comment, posted at about 12 noon on Sunday:

    The Inspector General • 4 hours ago

    Alan Henning’s compassion made him more Muslim than any member of ISIS

    Oh Lord. What in blazes are you playing at Gillan. He was killed because he WASN’T a muslim, you damn fool !!

    • Apologies for not offering any additional thoughts. Alan Henning was of course killed because he was not a Muslim and also didn’t look like one, i.e. not of Asian origin. All of his colleagues were set free.
      Islam is undoubtedly a complex religion calling itself a religion of peace and at the same time telling of Mohammed slaughtering a few hundred Jews to make a point. It fails to display the levels of grace towards others in the way that Christianity embraces. And in that sense Alan Henning’s actions were far more Christian than Muslim, but would we expect an average Muslim, or even the more conservative ones, to be closer to Alan Henning or ISIS in their thinking and beliefs?

      • The Inspector General

        Gillan, the laws of relativity are complex. Islam is not.
        The average muslim, one suspects, is bewildered by IS. But to ask whether said muslim is closer to the deceased than to IS shows that you have no appreciation of the way the muslim mind is conditioned when they attend the mosque. You need to bone up on this, and P.D.Q. at that…

      • Uncle Brian

        Thank you for taking the trouble ro reply. I’m sorry to say, though, that you seem to have missed the point. Alan Henning was the victim of savage brutality committed in the name of Islam. To suggest that he himself was in some way a Muslim seems to be displaying an unbecoming lack of respect for the dead.

        • No, I am not in any way suggesting Alan Henning was a Muslim, There is no indication that he went to Syria because of religious reasoning.

          • carl jacobs

            Gillan

            Your assertion does however suggest that ISIS is a distortion of Islam. If Henning, a non-Muslim, is more Muslim than ISIS, then we can remove the stigma of ISIS from Islam and can hope to find a version of Islam that is safe for Western consumption. Those are all problematic assumptions

            carl

          • The theology of ISIS is not totally separated from the rest of Islam and herein lies the problem. Is Islam in any form a threat to any culture in which it is a minority faith? It is certainly not the Way, the truth and the life. It will never come close to offering the freedom from sin and bondage that Christianity offers in abundance. But this does not in itself mean that all Islamic teaching is inherently evil. What it does do is draw its followers away from a true understanding of the God of grace who manifested Himself fully through Jesus.

          • Johnzh

            Then surely that in itself is inherently evil. A ‘white’ lie is often more damnable than a ‘black’ lie because it is more likely to deceive. “Did God ‘really say'”, much more subtle than “God never said”

      • ” …. would we expect an average Muslim, or even the more conservative ones, to be closer to Alan Henning or ISIS in their thinking and beliefs?”

        Gillan, well that’s the million dollar question.

        Jack would have more confidence in the “average” and “conservative” Muslim if he heard more condemnation from them of this demonic manifestation of their Prophets words – and there is no other word for such savagery.

        Religious loyalty is one thing but if evident evil results from those who follow the faith you follow then surely you condemn? Unless, that is, it is consistent with your holy texts. We all have God given consciences and know right from wrong whatever religion we follow.

        • The Inspector General

          Do take into account racial profiling, Jack. What disgusts the Westerner may be nothing but Islamic justice to the lesser races

          • Jack added a further comment.

            “And the ‘Golden Rule’ is, perhaps, the definitive absolute moral injunction known to us all.”
            Unless we define ‘others’ as sub-human, this is part of all people’s God given consciences. And ‘higher’ races are as capable of this as the ‘lesser’ races.

      • Marie1797

        The average muslim is under the thin veneer closer to ISIS than to Alan Hennig God rest his soul.

        It’s why they remain muslim and follow Moohamhead’s backward tripe.
        It’s why 2nd and 3rd generation British born and well educated are so quickly and easily radicalised.

  • Albert

    This news made me feel sick. It’s the fact that he was only in harm’s way because he was helping people – Muslims at that too. Hopefully, this murder will help even more Muslims to see IS for the evil, criminal organisation that it really is. If that helps to build the opposition to IS then at least that will be one thing, but that would be only a small good to come out of a terrible price. May he rest in peace.

    • CliveM

      Albert

      At times like this it is easy to let your rhetoric get carried away (naming no names) so it is good to have your measured comments.
      However I do worry that in the UK and other parts of the world, to many Muslims have too strong a sense of victim hood to really take the step from being appalled, to actually doing something about it.

      • The Inspector General

        My dear chap, if you want to send our glorious troops into battle, you do so with their ears ringing from rhetoric…

        • CliveM

          From what I have read pre battle rhetoric is a lot earthier and, how do I put this, cruder then you would get away with on this site!!

          I think even you Inspector would have to “up your game”!! 🙂

          • The Inspector General

            From what I have read pre battle rhetoric is a lot earthier and, how do I put this, cruder then you would get away with on this site

            Well, Clive, you weren’t around during the same sex marriage, er, ‘debates’, that occurred here this time last year…

            {AHEM}

            {WHISTLES INNOCENTLY…}

          • CliveM

            Ok point taken. I concede. Clearly I need to do a bit more reading!!

          • The Inspector General

            Awful business, that SSM thing. No quarter was asked for and it certainly wasn’t given. Blood and bits of flesh everywhere…

          • CliveM

            And I get the impression some wounds are still to heal.

          • The Inspector General

            A great many natural Conservatives jumped ship over it. Final straw, you see. No point hanging around a party that is no longer what it used to be…

          • CliveM

            We are going so far off topic I think we are at risk of a telling off!!

          • The Inspector General

            Agreed, well off topic. Perhaps His Grace can, in the not too distant, throw us his taking on the recent Conservative initiative to pull us out of the ECHR. The Inspector will have his say then, and hold his peace for now.

          • CliveM

            I agree that would be a very interesting topic for discussion. It’s a debate that is needed.

          • dannybhoy

            TIG,
            How do you get italics into comments? Jolly useful – as are emoticons….. 🙂

            (Hint hint)

          • DanJ0

            , spaces removed

          • The Inspector General

            There you go Danny. Whatshisname has shown how you prefix and suffix with the commands. One’s work colleague’s ten year old daughter loves emoticons. Do you really want to go there too ? Meanwhile, lets try underlining…
            test

          • dannybhoy

            I am totally lost!
            Commands?
            Where?
            How?
            Underlining??
            (brackets) .head spins furiously and rolls into a corner(close brackets)

          • The Inspector General

            Type out this
            Test
            but take out the spaces

          • This link shows all sorts of techniques. Try to keep them to yourself as the fewer people who know the better.

            https://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466253-what-html-tags-are-allowed-within-comments

            Happy Jack – the Google Savant

          • dannybhoy

            Ah,
            I see.
            Thank you for your help.
            Some blogs have little boxes or lines that you can use for emphasis etc.
            This looks far too complicated.
            Forget I asked…

          • CliveM

            Just had a look, you’re right! Life is too short.

          • dannybhoy

            Agreed Clive.
            “Compupatience” or “compuhension” are not personal strong points of mine.
            There are aspects of computing that could have come straight out of Hogwarts as far as I am concerned.

          • dannybhoy

            Ah!
            A glimmer of light from this low wattage bulb…
            I have been thinking (nightmares actually) about your link Happy Jack.
            It occured to me that on my keyboard there are these two keys.. .
            Do you use () to get the desired effect?

          • You do.
            So, Jack will use a { and } instead of a to demonstrate.

            Italics are thus: {i}type you text{i} – but use a

            Underlines are {u}type your text[u} – but use

            Strikethroughs are {s}type your text{s} – but use

            Bold is {b}type your text{b} – but use

          • dannybhoy

            Gee t’anks Jack..

          • Excellent news, Danny.

            Now try italics and underlining and a strike through.

          • dannybhoy

            Hmm,
            I can do the italics but instead of doing just the one word, it does all the rest of the text in italics.
            As in
            Happy Jack has morphed into Helpful Jack

            I also tried..
            Happy Jack has morphed into

            and
            Happy Jack

            How do you do just one word?
            I am assuming that all the other services follow the same procedure?

            Hmm,
            I can do the italics but instead of doing just the one word, it does all the rest of the text in italics.
            As in
            Happy Jack has morphed into Helpful Jack

            I also tried..
            Happy Jack has morphed into

            and
            Happy Jack

          • That’s because you’re not closing the text. Remember to us at the end as well as at the beginning. Same with the other codes too.

          • dannybhoy

            Thanks Jack
            I was closing it but not properly,

          • DanJ0

            I did actually mention that on another thread. *cough*

          • The Inspector General

            did you really…

      • Albert

        Clive,

        You make a good point about Muslims and victimhood. Part of the reason for this though, is that Western media tends to underplay the degree to which Muslims persecute Christians. This prevents peaceful Muslims from seeing the whole picture. The reason that the persecution of Christians is underplayed in the West is because a narrative of Christians being persecuted needs to be avoided, lest people feel sympathy, and that would destabilise the secularists’ cultural displacement of Christianity.

  • Test …. Test

  • IanCad

    Gillan, wrote:

    “Right now we are witnessing the worst that ISIS can do.–“

    Err !? I think not. Our half-assed actions will force them into the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia and, God Forbid! Pakistan.

    Shut down a quarter of the world’s oil production, blow up the “Looming Towers” Watch out Dubai!! Get their hands on vast hoards of wealth and maybe a nuke or two from Pakistan – 80% Sunni.
    If we want to stop this nonsense we must take the gloves off or get out.
    It could be that, down the road, the only solution could be the total conquest and occupation of Arabia by Western forces, with perhaps a little help from Iran.

    And Yes! Our sympathies and prayers must be for Alan Henning’s family. What utter grief they must be suffering.

    • dannybhoy

      Western power and influence is seeping away and leaving the way open for old rivalries and new powers to take the stage.
      The fact is the West’s new liberal democratic values have failed to take root on Islamic soil and have only succeeded in inflaming the situation. Meanwhile with the West’s full consent, Islam has colonised the West…

      • IanCad

        Danny

        I am at a loss as to what new powers you are referring to.
        Certainly none that I know of in the Islamic world.

        China’s on our side in this struggle.

        Darned if I can see how we have been colonized.

        Let’s see — a couple of million Muslims in our own fair land, or thereabouts?

        How can they be a threat? Has our manhood declined to the point where thirty Sons of Albion are no match for one Ishmaelite?

        I’m sorry but to me this kind of thinking is almost treasonous. Oh I know it is gentlemanly to act humble but it is dishonest, disgusting and unmanly.

        Come on Fellas! Show some spirit.

        • dannybhoy

          All civilisations eventually decline Ian.
          Western civilisation is no different. Economically other parts of the world are catching up, even overtaking (China), India and Brazil are on the rise. Turkey is selling us cars and washing machines..
          Militarily China, Russia, India, Pakistan and North Korea have nuclear arsenals. Saudi Arabia has a bigger airforce than we have! China has a massive military and is increasing her influence in Asia. Japan has recently upped her military spending, Russia is busy renewing its weaponry.

          So there’s plenty of potential out there for serious conflict.
          Perhaps most importantly (in human terms) the nature of war is changing. The set battles and clearly recognisable adversaries are things of the past. Urban guerilla warfare targetting and hiding amongst civilians is more prevalent.
          Which in the context of Muslim extremism means that they will find it easy to hide within Muslim communities in Europe and foment anger and rioting.
          I personally never agreed with our intervention in Iraq or even Afghanistan. Only the first Gulf War had any legitimacy because it was supported from within the Islamic community, but otherwise we have no business interfering in the domestic affairs of sovereign nations, however repugnant we find them.
          This is why Muslims in the West are increasingly angry. They have a far greater sense of belonging to a world wide community of Islam, and we Westerners have been busy bombing their fellow Muslims and boasting of shock and awe tactics!
          We really only have ourselves to blame for the increasing tensions.

          • IanCad

            Agree with you Danny.
            An excellent post. We sure do have ourselves to blame.
            Yes! The world is catching up.
            It is a continuous astonishment to me that so many people in the UK don’t actually produce anything.
            Others have stepped in.
            Disraeli observed that the Continent would not suffer Britain to remain the workshop of the world.
            He was right.
            Neither has the world allowed the USA to remain so; nor will it China.
            That said, I see no prospect of enterprise in most of the Muslim world.
            As long as they remain dependent on the West for their military and extractive equipment they surely can pose no national threat.
            They can sure cause trouble though.

          • dannybhoy

            Thank you Ian.
            The problem is of course that the oil rich states want western weaponry and we want their oil..
            Where I think the West has gone wrong is in abandoning our historic monoculturalism for multiculturalism. No other power bloc has done this, and it would be very interesting if research was done into the driving forces behind this change.
            Whether malign or benign in origin the fact is that Western culture is weaker for it, and every major European nation is seeing its own historical values and infrastructure under threat by growing numbers of non Christian immigrants.
            This has nothing to do with racism or intolerance and everything to do with changes in the makeup and future of the host nations.

    • In this instance I was referring to ISIS in the confines of their pocket of Syria and Iraq. If the Taliban, Boko Haram align themselves fully with ISIS then the parameters change significantly.

      • JayBee

        The plague is spreading.

        (Reuters) – The Pakistani Taliban declared allegiance to Islamic State on Saturday and ordered militants across the region to help the Middle Eastern jihadist group in its campaign to set up a global Islamic caliphate. Islamic State, which controls swathes of land in Syria and Iraq, has been making inroads into South Asia, which has traditionally been dominated by local Taliban insurgencies against both the Pakistan and Afghanistan governments.

        http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/04/pakistan-taliban-islamic-jihad-idINKCN0HT0HI20141004

        • dannybhoy

          Sorry JayBee. I didn’t see your post ’til I posted mine.

      • dannybhoy

        That’s happening now..
        http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/pakistani-terror-group-swears-allegiance-to-isis/
        The danger is that western leaders assume our worldview is shared by the Islamic world.
        We know for example that Saudi Arabia is not only busy exporting its own ultra conservative brand of Islam (Wahabbi) but is also funding terrorist groups such as Al Queda ( Osama Bin Laden was born in Riyadh of a billionaire Yemeni father) and now ISIS.
        So there’s the anomaly. We sell Saudi Arabia arms in return for oil and other concessions that British governments would rather not talk about..
        Saudi then supports these Islamic terrorist groups with money and probably arms through intermediaries, and at the same time they are joining the US in trying to rein in ISIS..
        So do we take it that Saudi Arabia’s long term goals include greater peace and cooperation with the West or are they complicit in helping to destroy all traces of Christianity and other groups from the Islamic Middle East?

  • magnolia

    Is this another film mysteriously discovered by Rita Katz and SITE in the deep recesses of Youtube where apparently no other person goes?

    • magnolia

      Anyone any view or comments on the provenance of these films upon which such strong hatreds and views, and possibly the painful deaths of millions of innocents in years to come may rest? Or do we just hold our mouths open, hold our noses and swallow?

      Are we not brought up and educated to question, question, and question again what the sources and motivations are?

      I have no great respect for Muslims, but what if some people stand ready to exarcerbate and profit from existing tensions? What if it is in the sights of some to achieve their aims, whether they be good, bad, or mixed–to try to make bloody wars happen, whether or not it involves the massacre of innocent Christians caught in the middle? And worse, what if there are groups pitting monotheists off against each other, so they only need to deal with the last group left standing? Possibly there is a complicated mixture of all that going on. After all Michael Aquino was high up in the US military and an overt Satanist. Nice one. Who would trust him to avoid the slaughter of Christians? I wouldn’t.

      Do we as Christians not care that the right methods are used for the right ends?

      The right methods are prayer, lots of talking, diplomacy and tolerance, and the rule and enforcement of moderate laws, not blowing people to smithereens, bombing them, lying, spinning, or creating fake videos.

  • avi barzel

    ISIS is a legitimate liberation movement fighting against foreign Christian colonial powers and their agents (often under the guise of Christian humanitarians) for national sovereignty. The indigenous Isistinian people have an inalienable right to an independent Isistine, the territory they flourished in since at least the start of the Holocene epoch, if not the previous interglacial.

    Instead of harrowing threats to eliminate Isistinian freedom fighters with the disproportionate might of the Christian military-industrial complex (fighter jets and cruise missiles against beat-up Toyota pickup trucks and dull butcher’s knives, come-on!!!!!!), gearing up for a Hitlerian holocaust of innocent Isistinian women and children and plotting collective punishments, Christians must stop this senseless cycle of violence, end the state of apartheid and take a chance for peace by putting meaningful offers on the table. To begin with, construction of all illegal Christian projects must cease forthwith. Then, Christian settlers and colons must evacuate the stolen oil fields and installatiins lands and compensate the Isistinians for their suffering. Finally, all Occupied Isistinian Territories must join the community of nations as a state for all its citizens where peaceful Muslims, Jews, Christians and God-cursed satanic Pagan #$€£π√÷¶…may Allah explode their bones…can live side by side as equals.

    • carl jacobs

      I am standing and applauding. THAT was genius. Are you sure you are Canadian?

      … Isistine… [Continuous rolling chuckle]

      carl

      • avi barzel

        Glad to provide a chuckle, Carl. I thought Happy Jack would be manning the graveyard shift…must have nodded off over his bottle of Glenfiddich. How’s your daughter? Well and recovered, I hope and pray. Last I read she was in hospital.

        • carl jacobs

          Avi

          She seems recovered. The incision took several months to heal, however. It got easier once I didn’t have to pack the wound anymore.

          I am watching the Sunday Night FOOTBALL game between the Cincinnati Bengals and the New England Patriots (FOOTBALL being the sport played in the National FOOTBALL League in case Jack was wondering.) It’s easy to watch FOOTBALL and the phone at the same time. That’s why I’m around.

          carl

          • avi barzel

            That’s good news, Carl. רפואה שלמה/refuah sh’lema; a speedy and complete recovery to the young lady.

            Perhaps the sphagnum moss and birch bark for wound treatments you get under Obamacare aren’t as good as our bandages and this new thing they call antibiotics we get at our provincial health care dispensaries? I can queue-up tonight for some and you can meet my canoe at the Detroit portage…my car won’t meet your new EPA emissions standards. And too bad you aren’t watching cricket; could write a book or compose a symphony….

          • carl jacobs

            Little known facts of musical history.

            Schoenberg wrote something called the Cricket Sonata. It consisted of a single quarter note followed by 47 measures of rests. Repeat for five days.

            With breaks for tea, of course.

            carl

          • avi barzel

            Of course, one must always make allowances for tea. Sounds like the Cricket Sonata is perfect for the Katzenklavier. A little known idea of musical history.

            A cat organ or cat piano (Katzenklavier in German) is a conjectural musical instrument which consists of a line of cats fixed in place with their tails stretched out underneath a keyboard so that cats cry out in pain when a key is pressed. The cats would be arranged according to the natural tone of their voices.

          • avi barzel

            Ah, yes, this thankfully unrealized Teutonic conjectural instrument is even illustrated at:

            http://allthatisodd.com/post/36532193990/the-cat-piano

            Stuff people can get up to when there is no television.

          • Happy Jack can think of better activities ………..

          • CliveM

            North Americans! Tsk…….
            Cricket is a beautiful subtle art form, requiring thought and an ability to concentrate for a period longer then your average ad break.
            It is a higher form of sport, don’t try to understand it, you are culturally incapable of doing so.
            I will pray for you. Your life is the poorer for it.

          • IanCad

            Thanks for the link.
            Our cats have distinct pitches but it’s hard to make a tune with only three.
            An aunt of ours had forty seven. If only she’d have thought.
            Albert Hall time!

          • IanCad

            I don’t like sports of any type but cricket has a beauty in its sounds.

            The running up of the bowler, the bounce of the ball on the pitch. A click as a stump is nicked. The willow on the leather.
            The courteous “How’s That?” A round of polite applause. The dull squeak as the scoreboard is changed. An occasional shriek of pain as the batsman gets one in the goolies.

            Quite the symphony.

            English village cricket.
            It still exists.

            Ian

          • Not forgetting the fair play and sportsmanship inherent in a game of skill. Also for the spectator, the deck chairs, glasses of beer, sandwiches and tea. All very British and all very civilised.

          • Albert

            It’s surprising that an Austrian can so accurately capture the entirety of the game of cricket in a piece of music.

          • CliveM

            Philistine!! 😉

          • Please don’t align yourself with heretics over Cricket. Before you know it, you’ll be dragged into all sorts of error.

            Btw, the Anglicans recently beat the Vatican at Cricket.
            However, it was a 20 over game so not the real deal. Nevertheless, Jack suspects fowl play and is examining the background of the umpires.

          • CliveM

            Divine intervention! A sign I feel.

          • Albert

            the Anglicans recently beat the Vatican at Cricket.

            Why do we still need witnesses as to the rectitude of cricket?

          • It might have been the rectitude of the prize. Jack has heard it was an urn containing ashes of an unknown provenance.

          • Albert

            Oh, it was containing the remains of Archbishop Cranmer! Point taken, probably better to let them keep that.

          • You might think that ………….

          • Is that American ‘Football’ where they spend more time grunting and growling at one another than playing and throw the ball more that kick it? You know, the game they copied from Rugby Football and turned into a 3 hour (yawn) game instead of an 80 minute one.

        • Happy Jack is waiting anxiously for news of the imminent birth of his first grandchild – now 7 days overdue – and so is having early nights and restricting his alcoholic intake in case he is called upon to transport said daughter 40 miles to the nearest maternity hospital. If there is no ‘movement’ by Friday, her delivery is to be induced.

          You may cover Carl’s immoral, morbid and vindictive proposals about impaling IS members on stakes in order to deter and shame those inclined to join them with humour. Jack objects to his barbaric suggestions for three reasons. One, it is barbaric and uncivilised; two, it would prove ineffective; and three, if anything, it would increase their numbers.

          That they must be stopped and crushed, he agrees. But copying the Roman treatment of Jews, Christians and Spartans is not the way to go.

          • CliveM

            Hope you Grandchild comes soon and all goes well. Very exciting and stressful!

            I don’t think Carl is really advocating impalement! But I would agree, even if he was it wouldn’t be affective. It would just lead to a mass recruitment for them.

          • Wanna bet?

          • Albert

            Well said.

            I hope all goes well with your daughter. We will all be waiting excitedly for news!

          • Cressida de Nova

            Agree…not long to go now!

    • JayBee

      Is there an Isistine chapel where one might drop in to worship? If so please could we have the GPS co-ordinates in time for Friday prayers.

    • LOL!! Very funny!!

    • dannybhoy

      You have been blessed with the gift of humorous writing. An increasingly rare and therefore precious ability…

      • CliveM

        I think with Avi, you have to stand back and admire.

    • Uncle Brian

      Your inspired appeal on behalf of the oppressed people of Isistine deserves the highest praise. It is politically correct in every detail. We must all rally round the Isistinian cause and strive unremittingly to put an end to the noxious Christianist Entity which, as has been demonstrated time and again, is the sole cause of all the sufferings of everybody everywhere.

  • Mrs Proudie of Barchester

    Goodness! Dear Avi, so moved were we by your eloquent appeal that we have converted the cathedral vestry into the Chapel of St. Isis the Uncompassionate, which stands immediately next to the Shrine of St Peter of Tatchell. One of the old gentleman from Hiram’s Hospital has whittled an image of Isis from a sheep’s thighbone – the saint is heavily veiled and is holding a scimitar in one hand and a severed head in the other. We are hoping this will attract the local Isistanian population of Barchester, who have been moving into the local council estate in some numbers of late. Mustafa Fatwah, our local kebab seller-cum-fifth day jihadist has been advising on the décor…not exactly Farrar and Ball but one can’t be sniffy. Barchester is moving with the times…we are determined to be the most inclusive diocese in the Anglican Communion…do come along for tea, hobnobs and a ritual disembowelling.

  • MartinWW

    In my opinion, the title of this piece is the opposite of the truth – which is that members of ISIS are among the most fundamentally muslim of any group, for they follow the writings and edits of islam most closely. It is the so-called moderate muslim who have chosen for the time being not to follow the harsh and terrible edits of their ‘religion’, and for that at least we must be grateful.